From:
Nigelsan@a...
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 1:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Hoenig
whatever happened to micheal hoenig?
Departure from the northern wasteland is my favourite mono synth cd
He turned up on a track of Neil Young's Life album in the mid 80's but I have
ever seen another cd of his????????
Nigel
From:
Jens Kilian
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:35
am
Subject: Re: Quinoa pronunciation
From: 'Steve'
> Morgan said:
> > The bastardization of the English language always amazes me. At least in
> > French everything is pronounced the way it's spelled and no
> > exceptions are permitted.
>
> Uh, the problem here is not the English language, but the fact that a native
> English speaker seeing the word in print would assume the pronunciation to
> be 'kwinohah' unless advised otherwise. From the proper pronunciation of the
> word it's clear that it's not an English word - without advice from those
> who know, how are we to figure out how to pronounce it?
'Quinoa' is the Spanish transcription of a Native American (Quechua?[1])
name, so it's not surprising that an English speaker would get it wrong.
> How would you say 'Ulgham' (it's a village in Northumberland)?
Extremely carefully ;-)
Jens.
[1] [keh-chwah] See? Another of those names :-)
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From:
Glynn Naughton
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 9:50
am
Subject: Ulgham!
> How would you say 'Ulgham' (it's a village in Northumberland)?
Well, I've had too much practice pronouncing this word...bent over the
toilet bowl at three am after a night on the beer ;-)
Hey, that's not a bad title for a TD track...'Three AM at the Rim of
Armitage Shanks'.
Glynn
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 1:34
am
Subject: Jerome better than Edgar? Maybe *now*.
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:22:03 EDT said:
>[. . .] find many of the songs attributed to Jerome to be excellent.
Hey, I even liked/like his *first* TD track, the much-maligned
'Colorado Dawn' (from the CANYON DREAMS CD)!
>[. . .] I am glad TD have not stagnated over the years. [. . .]
Yeah, really. If I wanted stagnation, I'd be a Klaus Schulze
collector. ;) Do I smell flame? Hee hee. No matter: I think it'll
be a cold day in hell before Klaus does something like MARS POLARIS!
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 2:47
pm
Subject: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
You know, what with the large of amount of mediocre Tangerine Dream
releases in the past 8 years, I'd really like to see Edgar and Son slow
down and concentrate on releasing product of high merit rather than just
cranking out five items per year with only one or two stellar recordings
among them. For *this* TD fan, it seems that Jerome can do no wrong,
whereas Poppa has foisted on us such mediocre stuff as BEYOND THE STORM,
ZONING, and THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET.
It's gotten the point where it's pretty easy to tell who of the
Froeses has most influenced a track, and to *my* ears, most of the good
stuff is Jerome's doing, these days. I have far and away enjoyed the
techno-derived DREAM MIXES, TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II, and MARS POLARIS
moreso than the retread that was OASIS. Less interesting in this vein
have been WHAT A BLAST and THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA, but I suspect that
this is because Edgar had a bigger hand in these two albums.
And I take back most of what I said about ANTIQUE DREAMS being a
case of TANGENT-izing done right. The CD sounded good on the first
play, but has since grown stale faster than any TD release I can think
of. Especially unnerving is what was done to 'Moorland' and
'Sobernost.' Grrrr. Leave the damn songs alone!
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 12:29
pm
Subject: Discussion Week Schedule - Remainder
I'm reposting the remainder of the Discussion Week Schedule (with a
couple of recent additions).
24/09/00 - Week 54 - Transsiberia (Soundtrack)
01/10/00 - Week 55 - Valentine Wheels (Live)
08/10/00 - Week 56 - Sohoman (Live)
15/10/00 - Week 57 - What A Blast (Soundtrack)
22/10/00 - Week 58 - Mars Polaris (Studio)
29/10/00 - Week 59 - Great Wall Of China (Soundtrack)
05/11/00 - Week 60 - Soundmill Navigator (Live)
12/11/00 - Week 61 - Antique Dreams (Hmmm - not sure... don't normally
do compilations, but as this is unreleased material, we'd better cover
it.)
19/11/00 - Week 62 - Seven Letters From Tibet (Studio)
26/11/00 - Week 63 - Dream Mixes III (Studio) - (should this be
released by then of course!)
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From:
Bert.Hulshoff@N...
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 12:34
pm
Subject: stagnation/RE: [tadream] Jerome better than Edgar? Maybe *now*.
Well Steven
I think you are wrong
Schulze's latest album are different than his first.
Maybe the same sound but certainly no stagnation.
;-P
Bert
> >[. . .] I am glad TD have not stagnated over the years. [. . .]
>
> Yeah, really. If I wanted stagnation, I'd be a Klaus Schulze
> collector. ;) Do I smell flame? Hee hee. No matter: I think it'll
> be a cold day in hell before Klaus does something like MARS POLARIS!
>
> -- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
> of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
>
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From:
Bert.Hulshoff@N...
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 12:45
pm
Subject: Seven letters from Tibet
Just got 7 letters,
very nice dreaming NEW AGE stuff.
not bad but it is certainly not the best TD album I know.
but i hope it will grow on me, so i give it some time.
maybe i have to be in the right mood.
(now listening at work)
greetings
Bert
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 3:23
pm
Subject: Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
In a message dated 9/18/00 8:28:52 AM, ar402004@b... writes:
>You know, what with the large of amount of mediocre Tangerine Dream
>releases in the past 8 years, I'd really like to see Edgar and Son slow
>down and concentrate on releasing product of high merit rather than just
>cranking out five items per year with only one or two stellar recordings
>among them.
I don't think any of us can say that they're 'cranking out' mediocre albums
for a couple of reasons.
1) We don't always know how much time they spent on each individual release.
Considering that 'Lhasa' first appeared about two years ago, suggesting that
the Seven Letters from Tibet were cranked out seems a bit silly.
2) To Edgar, the Seven Letters might well be the best TD album yet. We don't
know how much the band members like each recording. I don't think they're
actually saying 'Okay, we'll work really hard on Mars Polaris and make it
great, but we'll just let GWOC be mediocre.' I assume if they aren't pleased
with an album they won't release it; why else would their releases get
delayed?
I'm not trying to say that you have to like the music, just that you
shouldn't make assumptions about the way Edgar and Jerome work.
And anyway, it could be worse. How many other bands release even one or two
stellar albums a year? :)
--Daniel
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:15
pm
Subject: The Keep (Event Horizon), Future Music CD
HI!
A lot of people asked me about this one - so I put it onto my
Tangerine Dream page:
The Keep - 2 CDRs set made by 'Event Horizon' and 'FUTURE MUSIC CD'
with exclusive TD track! See my NEWS section and more :*)
Rainer
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:34
pm
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re: Quinoa pronunciation
Well I quite agree :o) Take the city name Leicester for instance. Most people
in Denmark would pronounce it 'Lay< Sester'. Try telling them it's pronounced
otherwise :o)
> The bastardization of the English language always amazes me. At least in
> French everything is pronounced the way it's spelled and no
> exceptions are permitted.
> How would you say 'Ulgham' (it's a village in Northumberland)?
>
> Extremely carefully ;-)
> Jens.
That was a good one, Jens :o) The coffee almost choke me !
How would you pronounce it anyway, give us a clue, please !
> [1] [keh-chwah] See? Another of those names :-)
Sorry don't seem to be able to come up with any :o)
Poul
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:24
pm
Subject: My vote for next TD archive release
Hi all,
I'm listening to TD live in Brussels 1981. I'm really wishing TDI would see
fit to release the second half of this concert, starting at the Incredible
piano solo all the way through the ending guitar solo.
And the guitar encore would be nice as well. This would get a very nice
complete set of the 'Silver Scale/Horns of Doom' suite that was played at
the late 80/ early 81 concerts, plus the great guitar solos based on the
same 'Thief-style' sequencer line. One might say that a lot of that
material is already released with Silver Scale and Horns of Doom (not that
HoD is easy to get!), but they've never been released played together as
they were then, and not in their entirety. The full set is around 24
minutes (from just after the piano solo to the fade out of HoD). If you
total the official releases of these two they only add up to around 18
minutes.
Also the official release of HoD is about two minutes longer than the live
version, so that means the official version of Silver Scale cuts out SEVEN
minutes from the concert version.
Being that is probably my 3rd favorite section of TD music, I'd really like
to see this in impeccable studio quality.
James
From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 10:38
pm
Subject: TD in the TV (german 2nd programm)
Just curious!
While I write this, I hear some Tangerine Dream music while our
2nd TV (german) programm is playing something from the Olympic games.
Rainer
PS: Not shure: But I think its something from POLAND-live!
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 11:16
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
>In a message dated 9/18/00 8:28:52 AM, ar402004@b... writes:
>
>>You know, what with the large of amount of mediocre Tangerine Dream
>>releases in the past 8 years, I'd really like to see Edgar and Son slow
>>down and concentrate on releasing product of high merit rather than just
>>cranking out five items per year with only one or two stellar recordings
>>among them.
I am under the impression that they *have* to release so many albums to earn
enough money to keep it going. I mean, sales are possibly so low for each
new album that they need lots of 'burning wood' to keep the fire alive. This
year sees 8 - eight - new albums!!!!!!!!!!
Glenn
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From:
'Conrad Gibbons'
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 11:25
pm
Subject: Wanted: Tibet for Mars Polaris
I have a new Mars Polaris available to swap for the Tibet CD.
Can anyone oblige me with a trade??
Regards,
Conrad
From:
Totta Rydqvist
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 1:08
am
Subject: Help wanted with covers
Hi
I find this Coverart or track list VERY hard to find, can someone help
me??
Ipswish Gaumont 18/10-81
Reichstag 29/2-81
NKH Hall Tokyo 23/6-83
Boston 26/6-88
If someone got some information on these, Please contact me offlist
Thanks in advancce
Totta
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 1:33
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
> From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...]
> I am under the impression that they *have* to release so many
> albums to earn
> enough money to keep it going. I mean, sales are possibly so low for each
> new album that they need lots of 'burning wood' to keep the fire
> alive. This
> year sees 8 - eight - new albums!!!!!!!!!!
(1) _Great Wall of China_
(2) _Soundmill Navigator_
(3) _Antique Dreams_
(4) _Seven Letters of Tibet_
(5) _Dream Mixes III_
I count five. Two releases of older material, one soundtrack, one remix
album, and one purely original. I don't think it's 'burning wood' (wouldn't
it be more expensive to release more albums than a few?) -- they released as
many albums of new material in 1987.
Besides, I'm still wondering what the fuss is about -- all of these (that
I've heard) are worthy albums, in my opinion. Maybe not *everyone* on this
list likes them as much; but I'm really beginning to think that this list
isn't that representative of any group other that people who have the time
and attention to participate in such a list...
- jim
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 9:36
pm
Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] Re: Quinoa pronunciation
*Sigh*
I was not aware that Quinoa was not an American/English word. First, Edgar
seems to like a lot of American things, and second, this disc WAS being
given to members of the North American TD fan club.
Oh well,
Morgan
>From: 'Poul Erik'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re: Quinoa pronunciation
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:34:34 +0200
>
>Well I quite agree :o) Take the city name Leicester for instance. Most
>people in Denmark would pronounce it 'Lay< Sester'. Try telling them it's
>pronounced otherwise :o)
>
> > The bastardization of the English language always amazes me. At least in
> > French everything is pronounced the way it's spelled and no
> > exceptions are permitted.
> > How would you say 'Ulgham' (it's a village in Northumberland)?
> >
> > Extremely carefully ;-)
> > Jens.
>
>That was a good one, Jens :o) The coffee almost choke me !
>
>How would you pronounce it anyway, give us a clue, please !
>
>
> > [1] [keh-chwah] See? Another of those names :-)
>
> Sorry don't seem to be able to come up with any :o)
>Poul
>
>
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 3:27
am
Subject: GONG
I have tickets for a performance by GONG tonight...I wasn't even aware they
were still around...Has anyone seen or heard a recent performance?
MJ
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 8:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Hoenig
<< whatever happened to micheal hoenig?
Departure from the northern wasteland is my favourite mono synth cd
*Then you should hunt down Live RIAS- 1977, which is a bootleg recording of
him playing Departure live....) He had an album called X-cept one on the
cinema lable
His style has changed to a more Phillip Glass influenced sound.....
He turned up on a track of Neil Young's Life album in the mid 80's but I
have
ever seen another cd of his????????
*Hey!!! Now that's new to me thanks for the tip!
Poly
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 10:07
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
> but I'm really beginning to think that this list
> isn't that representative of any group other that people who have the time
> and attention to participate in such a list...
last check, the list membership was 366... i would expect that less than 10%
participate regularly in the discussions, and less voice their _strong_
opinions regularly... most seem to be in lurk with an occasional drop in for
infos, or quip, or review...
from the other lists i've seen, this is not uncommon at all, unless the list is
very small... mostly there is a small majority, who put forth the bulk of the
mails... so in that case, you are probably right about what those people
represent...
however, i've also noticed that for every scathing, scalding or, probably worse
yet, mediocre label splashed across a new/newer release, there is a rebuttal or
a disagreement, and subsequently, most albums get their balance...
THAT, from what i can tell, is one of the main things this list is about...
true that those who trash tend to do so more vehemently, but that doesn't
necessarily add to their argument...
anyway, i'm one who doesn't feel that I'M represented by those opine one way or
the other...
that said, i find both sides very useful in deciding what to purchase next, and
no problem with the wave of negative on the _newer_ TD...
j.gordon
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From:
'con31pitlane'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 12:15
pm
Subject: Hoenig is busy.
Hoenig
How about the soundtrack he did to THE BLOB... lat 80's.
He also Produced some works by Morton Subotnick - Keys to Life and
many other things can't quite remember ... he is currently in the US ?!
R
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 1:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Hoenig is busy.
<< Hoenig
he is currently in the US ?!
R >>
*L.A. to be precise.
Poly
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 2:00
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
Jim Moore wrote:
>I count five.
Also scheduled last time I checked: Star Trooper and Twilight Folder. These
might be cancelled by now but they were in the lans for 2000. So that makes
7 (ok, my bad!)
But wether it is 5 or 7 or 8, any normal artist would release 1 album every
2 years, or once per year if they are very active, so 5 or 7 albums from TD
this year is more than normal.
>(wouldn't
>it be more expensive to release more albums than a few?)
Not necessarily, they probably get a discount at the CD plant when pressing
more than one CD per year.
>Besides, I'm still wondering what the fuss is about -- all of these (that
>I've heard) are worthy albums, in my opinion. Maybe not *everyone* on this
>list likes them as much;
I am not suggesting that the albums are less good, as I havent heard them, I
just said that perhaps to earn enough money they must have many releases out
to keep the fire burning.
glenn
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 2:36
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
Hard to believe that next month there is yet another new album which is going to
be released (Dream mixes 3) I know I said it before but I would rather buy 2
excellent TD albums instead of 7 or 8 which are ok but not sensational (because
they have too much filler material). Less IS more...and whoever said 'if you
don't like it don't buy it!' was a fool, being a helpless TD addict I buy
everything that's in sight ;-)
Heiko
P.S.: 'if you don't like it don't buy it'..wasn't it Edgar who said that? ~LOL~
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 3:08
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
From: Heiko Heerssen
> Hard to believe that next month there is yet another new
> album which is going to be released (Dream mixes 3) I know
> I said it before but I would rather buy 2 excellent TD albums
> instead of 7 or 8 which are ok but not sensational (because
> they have too much filler material). Less IS more...and whoever
> said 'if you don't like it don't buy it!' was a fool, being a helpless
> TD addict I buy everything that's in sight ;-)
Fewer albums does not necessarily mean an increase in quality. TD could choose
to release only 2 albums next year, and they could both be awful. Besides,
quality is subjective. 'Mars Polaris' seems to be considered a masterpeice
around here, but I thought it was average at best.
At least with 7 or 8 albums a year, there's a good chance that everyone will
have at least 1 album a year they like.
Maff
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 5:53
pm
Subject: Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
In a message dated 9/19/00 10:18:16 AM, heiko.heerssen@h... writes:
>Hard to believe that next month there is yet another new album which is
>going to be released (Dream mixes 3) I know I said it before but I would
rather
>buy 2 excellent TD albums instead of 7 or 8 which are ok but not sensational
>(because they have too much filler material).
I'll say it again, because I think it's important: just because something
sounds like filler to you, or me, or Steven Feldman, that doesn't mean it IS
filler.
--Daniel
NP: Leftfield--Leftism (again)
From:
'koulos'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 8:01
pm
Subject: orbital-heads...
i was seating with a young lady friend of mine doing some work in the pc when i
decided to put TD in the player first i spinned melrose and then i started
miracle mile ..then i ended with poland
anyway i asked them when poland had just started what was her idea of the music
heard she said to me
'o nice music i think the people who listen orbital would like to hear it as
chill out ......'
well does anyone else had such an expirience of people thinging of orbital as
bigger than TD? [or i am too lost in this TD stuff that i have missed
something?]
yours koulos from greece
ps1. i thing of orbital a great band but not as big as TD
np melody at night with you keith jared
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From:
stephen thomas
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 8:04
pm
Subject: fantapes
I am looking for fantapes
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 3:27
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
>I am under the impression that they *have* to release so many albums to earn
>enough money to keep it going. I mean, sales are possibly so low for each
>new album that they need lots of 'burning wood' to keep the fire alive. This
>year sees 8 - eight - new albums!!!!!!!!!!
>
Then surely it would make sense to make one good album instead of eight
unforgettable ones. Releasing poor quality material is not the way to
keep a fan base
--
Richard
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 11:09
pm
Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
>Then surely it would make sense to make one good album instead of eight
>unforgettable ones. Releasing poor quality material is not the way to
>keep a fan base
>--
>Richard
On the contrary, if you have a small fan base that always buys most of what
you release, its a good idea to release lots of stuff. Let's assume that TD
has 50 000 fans that buy 3-4 releases each year, that makes up to 200 000
albums sold which I am sure is enough to keep TD going financially.
Now, if you are Jean-Michel Jarre you have 1 million people that buy one
album every 2 years, so you dont need to feed them constantly.
Correct me if I am wrong, but TD doesnt sell as much as they did before?
glenn
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 11:47
pm
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
> From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...]
> Correct me if I am wrong, but TD doesnt sell as much as they did before?
One of the reasons for that, I would think, is that they're not getting
(or paying for) the promotion that they used to have. I guess that's
one of the downsides of owning your own label, no one is helping foot the
bill for tours, promotions, etc.
Of course, there are plenty of groups that aren't selling albums like
they used to, but that has very little correlation with the quality of
their albums (Glenn, I didn't think you were arguing otherwise, btw).
I think 'The Spirit of Radio' taught us that...
- jim
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Tue Sep 19, 2000 11:47
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
> From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...]
> from the other lists i've seen, this is not uncommon at all,
> unless the list is
> very small... mostly there is a small majority, who put forth the
> bulk of the
> mails... so in that case, you are probably right about what those people
> represent...
I think that's valid for most Internet-based forums. I remember one
U.S. political news poll recently citing a chat room discussion, and I
laughed
myself silly at the thought that they were using it as a reliable measure...
> however, i've also noticed that for every scathing, scalding or,
> probably worse
> yet, mediocre label splashed across a new/newer release, there is
> a rebuttal or
> a disagreement, and subsequently, most albums get their balance...
Part of that, I think, is that several people take some of the negative
remarks personally (myself included). A lot of times, the comments have
the air of 'this album is crap, and anyone who thinks otherwise is either
tone-deaf or an 'Edgar Worshipper.'' Now, while I profess to having no
musical training (other than some public school trumpet lessons) or
abilities,
I am very particular about what kind of music I like. I also discriminate
to a high degree within the boundaries of my favorite genres and artists,
so I bristle a bit at someone indirectly hinting that my personal tastes
aren't
up to snuff.
That being said, I *will* say that Tangerine Dream is one of a very small
group of artists that I enjoy a very large percentage of *all* their works.
Maybe it's because Edgar and my brainwaves are on the same frequency, or
maybe I *am* somewhat tone-deaf. I'm sure the same situation exists with
other listeners and artists...
Whew... that's a lot of words. Time for me to blend back in with the
'lurkers'!
Haha!
- jim
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 12:19
am
Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
> From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...]
>> Correct me if I am wrong, but TD doesnt sell as much as they did before?
>
>One of the reasons for that, I would think, is that they're not getting
>(or paying for) the promotion that they used to have.
Or not deserving? I know, if you have a big company to foot the bill you can
buy ads as big as Denmark but if no big company wants to foot the bill,
maybe they dont think TD has enough appeal to big masses?
But this is getting into another discussion. Are you saying that TD used to
have big promotion campaigns in the late 70s/early 80s?
>Of course, there are plenty of groups that aren't selling albums like
>they used to, but that has very little correlation with the quality of
>their albums
It may have a correlation to wether or major record company wants to sign
them on or not.
glenn
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:33
am
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
> From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...]
> >One of the reasons for that, I would think, is that they're not getting
> >(or paying for) the promotion that they used to have.
> Or not deserving?
I won't get into that discussion again.
> But this is getting into another discussion. Are you saying that
> TD used to
> have big promotion campaigns in the late 70s/early 80s?
Definitely. Virgin records appeared to go a long way towards promoting the
group, especially in the Phaedra/Rubycon days. Not so much with
Jive/Relativity, but Private Music seemed to put up a bit for their Optical
Race Tour -- more than Miramar seemed to for the Rockoon tour (I'm basing
this of the number and size of venues played).
> >Of course, there are plenty of groups that aren't selling albums like
> >they used to, but that has very little correlation with the quality of
> >their albums
> It may have a correlation to wether or major record company wants to sign
> them on or not.
That's very true. But that's not indicative of the quality of their music.
In fact, at least here in Atlanta (Georgia, USA), I get the sense of a
general lack of promotion for the older progressive musical groups even
though many of them are putting out music on par with their earlier works
(case in point: Kansas' new album). At the same time, a lot of one-hit
wonders are being crammed down our throats.
But, again, this is nothing new under the sun...
- jim
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:50
am
Subject: The Seven Letters From Tibet
Edgar!
You have done it again - a great masterpiece!
Some of the music is so subtle and intense that it really says what TD
is all about - I hope that maybe a nice portion of the fan base will
recognize the TD 'sound'. I have been listening to this release for the
last three days - still counting. Some very emotional classic TD
undertones. I truly enjoy this!
Vic
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 3:36
am
Subject: [tadream] album turnover
> On the contrary, if you have a small fan base that always buys most of what
> you release, its a good idea to release lots of stuff. Let's assume that TD
> has 50 000 fans that buy 3-4 releases each year, that makes up to 200 000
> albums sold which I am sure is enough to keep TD going financially.
i'm not sure that 200,000 albums is enough to keep them going at all... now
that they are under TDI, maaaaaaaybe... but just... if you do the number
crunching you will find out that, for example, a new smash hit band signed with
a major label and which sells 500,000 albums could maybe hope to walk away with
$50,000 in their pockets when all is said and done... if they've cut a good
deal and not overspent on the album production... 'DYI' (read: TDI) is a way to
make more money, but up till a certain album turnover, you're burning it quite
fast too...
j.gordon
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 3:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Hoenig
how about Hoenig & Goesching-'Early Water' available thru www.groove.nl a
classic 50 some odd minute track that rules. absolutely indespensable.
tom
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 6:29
am
Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
Glenn Folkvord wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong, but TD doesnt sell as much as they did before?
In a German radio interview (December 1999) Edgar said that 'Mars Polaris' was
by far the most successful album since the launch of their TDI label. It would
be interesting to know more about the sale figures of some albums, but where to
ask..? But I doubt that anything from TD recent releases comes near to
'Phaedra' in terms of sale figures.
Heiko
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 6:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Seven Letters From Tibet
Vic Rek wrote:
> Edgar!
> You have done it again - a great masterpiece!
> Some of the music is so subtle and intense that it really says what TD
> is all about - I hope that maybe a nice portion of the fan base will
> recognize the TD 'sound'. I have been listening to this release for the
> last three days - still counting. Some very emotional classic TD
> undertones. I truly enjoy this!
I have to agree with Vic, this cd has been growing on me since I heard it
the first time. in a previous e-mail to the list I described some of the
tracks as 'background muzak' which could be played in Chinese
restaurants...I was obviously wrong (maybe with the exception of track 6 & 7
which I think aren't as good as the rest...no, I won't use the word 'filler
material' ;-) The biggest surprise was when I heard the 'Lhasa' track (here
under a different title) which originally was on 'Quinoa extended'...At that
time I found 'Lhasa' to be a pretty boring piece of music which couldn't
hold a candle to 'Quinoa', but here it fits perfectly and it's just great, I
can't get enough of it! This again teached me to listen very closely to TD's
music before making a statement.
Heiko
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:38
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] album turnover
>i'm not sure that 200,000 albums is enough to keep them going at all... now
>that they are under TDI, maaaaaaaybe... but just... if you do the number
>crunching you will find out that, for example, a new smash hit band signed
with
>a major label and which sells 500,000 albums could maybe hope to walk away
with
>$50,000 in their pockets when all is said and done.
But TD I am sure as a better deal with TDI than most boybands on large
labels. TDI and TD is more or less the same thing, isnt it? 200 000 copies
sold could be more than enough to provide for father and son for one year,
plus they have income from movie work etc.
But that number is just a wild guess, they could sell much less or much more
(tho I doubt they sell as much as Enigma, Yanni or Jarre)
glenn
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:35
pm
Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: More MARS POLARISes, Fewer 7 LETTERS FROM TIBETs
Heiko,
>In a German radio interview (December 1999) Edgar said that 'Mars Polaris'
was
>by far the most successful album since the launch of their TDI label.
Success as in sales, or artistic success? I never saw TD in the charts
during the entire 90s.
glenn
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:14
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] album turnover
> But TD I am sure as a better deal with TDI than most boybands on large
> labels. TDI and TD is more or less the same thing, isnt it? 200 000 copies
> sold could be more than enough to provide for father and son for one year,
> plus they have income from movie work etc.
you're probably right... especially since they aren't doing any touring, which
chews up the major bucks... but even so, distributors take a healthy chunk of
the CD's cost (up to 45% with some of the major ones) and i've no idea about
what kind of fees for producers, agents, managers or others, (if any) they
shell out... 7% here and 10% and your 100% disappears VERY quickly... besides,
employees are almost always the largest overhead... does TDI pay for itself by
just breaking even, or are they in the black... or red?
playing and recording your own music in your own studio can be relatively
inexpensive once you've set the whole thing up (and paid for it, which i assume
Edgar has done...)... even pressing CDs from a glass master doesn't cost THAT
much... but as soon as you want to put your music out there where the general
populace can get at it, the costs add up exponentially... and, there's always
pressure and _adgendas_ (read: these CDs over here will go before yours because
of where they come from) from the major distributors, because most of them are
under the wing of the major recording houses... even a lot of the independent
distributors have their hands in the big boy's pockets...
so i think it's hard to say how financially successful TDI / TD have been... i
can only guess that the freedom Edgar now has far outweighs any perks he might
have gotten from being with Virgin or another label where he might see 14 or
15% of each album's reciept...
however, that said, they do have the money from past endeavors, which i'm sure
helps out... but that doesn't have any bearing on how well TDI has handled
itself, in the books...
> But that number is just a wild guess, they could sell much less or much more
> (tho I doubt they sell as much as Enigma, Yanni or Jarre)
i think you're probably right there...
j.gordon
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From:
'Thomas'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 3:15
pm
Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] album turnover
Interesting topic. My guess would be that TDI is successful, with the
release of the new label and all. As far as touring goes, does it really
chew up that many a buckaroo??? I doubt that TD would go on the road and
NOT profit from it, one way or the other. It seems that making music is the
passion of the Froese's, but also a way of providing a living...
Just some loose thoughts...
Thomas the Viking
>
> > But TD I am sure as a better deal with TDI than most boybands on large
> > labels. TDI and TD is more or less the same thing, isnt it? 200 000
copies
> > sold could be more than enough to provide for father and son for one
year,
> > plus they have income from movie work etc.
>
> you're probably right... especially since they aren't doing any touring,
which
> chews up the major bucks... but even so, distributors take a healthy
chunk of
> the CD's cost (up to 45% with some of the major ones) and i've no idea
about
> what kind of fees for producers, agents, managers or others, (if any)
they
> shell out... 7% here and 10% and your 100% disappears VERY quickly...
besides,
> employees are almost always the largest overhead... does TDI pay for
itself by
> just breaking even, or are they in the black... or red?
>
> playing and recording your own music in your own studio can be relatively
> inexpensive once you've set the whole thing up (and paid for it, which i
assume
> Edgar has done...)... even pressing CDs from a glass master doesn't cost
THAT
> much... but as soon as you want to put your music out there where the
general
> populace can get at it, the costs add up exponentially... and, there's
always
> pressure and _adgendas_ (read: these CDs over here will go before yours
because
> of where they come from) from the major distributors, because most of
them are
> under the wing of the major recording houses... even a lot of the
independent
> distributors have their hands in the big boy's pockets...
>
> so i think it's hard to say how financially successful TDI / TD have
been... i
> can only guess that the freedom Edgar now has far outweighs any perks he
might
> have gotten from being with Virgin or another label where he might see 14
or
> 15% of each album's reciept...
>
> however, that said, they do have the money from past endeavors, which i'm
sure
> helps out... but that doesn't have any bearing on how well TDI has
handled
> itself, in the books...
>
> > But that number is just a wild guess, they could sell much less or much
more
> > (tho I doubt they sell as much as Enigma, Yanni or Jarre)
>
> i think you're probably right there...
>
> j.gordon
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:05
pm
Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] album turnover
>From: 'Thomas'
>
>Interesting topic. My guess would be that TDI is successful, with the
>release of the new label and all. As far as touring goes, does it really
>chew up that many a buckaroo??? I doubt that TD would go on the road and
>NOT profit from it, one way or the other. It seems that making music is the
>passion of the Froese's, but also a way of providing a living...
Nobody makes money on tours.
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From:
'Thomas'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:52
pm
Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] album turnover
> >Interesting topic. My guess would be that TDI is successful, with the
> >release of the new label and all. As far as touring goes, does it really
> >chew up that many a buckaroo??? I doubt that TD would go on the road and
> >NOT profit from it, one way or the other. It seems that making music is
the
> >passion of the Froese's, but also a way of providing a living...
>
> Nobody makes money on tours.
Yes, of course. But in the end it might mean more albums sold. Touring must
be great promotion...
Thomas
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 5:28
pm
Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] album turnover
>Yes, of course. But in the end it might mean more albums sold. Touring must
>be great promotion...
>
>Thomas
Some bands doesnt make any money from albums, and get all their income from
tours.
glenn
From:
'grafzeigen'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 5:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Seven Letters From Tibet
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Subject: [tadream] The Seven Letters From Tibet
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> Vic wrote:
> Edgar!
>
> You have done it again - a great masterpiece!
> Some of the music is so subtle and intense that it really says what
TD
> is all about - I hope that maybe a nice portion of the fan base will
> recognize the TD 'sound'. > Vic
I agree!! It's the first thing they have done in years that truly
inspires me. It takes me back to the old days of Phaedra and
Stratospere and the like...the music that got me hooked on TD in the
first place. I love it!
Graf Zeigen
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 5:46
pm
Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] album turnover
Thomas wrote:
> As far as touring goes, does it really chew up that many a buckaroo???
Yes it does. Between flying the equipment over, renting the truck, paying and
feeding the crew, working out the stage setup/lighting, booking the halls,
doing the promo work, paying the taxes, and producing the t-shirts and other
assorted swag, touring is expensive. That's why, even when they had label
backing in the 80s, they sought corporate sponsorship from the likes of Atari.
These days, the band has a much lower public profile..so sponsorship is
unlikely, and they'd be playing smaller halls - yielding lower door receipts.
Unless they charged 60 bucks a head.
> It seems that making music is the passion of the Froese's, but also a way of
> providing a living...
Obviously, it's a passion...but Edgar is a businessman. That should be obvious
from such money-grabs as Dream Dice and the Christmas 'Booster' package.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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From:
'David Foster'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 7:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Hoenig
Poly said
> He turned up on a track of Neil Young's Life album in the mid 80's but I
> have
> ever seen another cd of his????????
>
Poly, which track / album was that?
Thanks in advance
David
fozziebear@b...
np: Marcella Detroit - Feeler
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 7:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] orbital-heads...
Koulos talked about TD and Orbital appealing to similar people.
I think you are rtight. I know several people who have music by both
groups aamongst their collections of The Orb, Future Sound of London, Aphex
Twins.
David
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 9:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Hoenig
<< > He turned up on a track of Neil Young's Life album in the mid 80's but I
> have ever seen another cd of his????????>
Poly, which track / album was that?
Thanks in advance >>
*Sorry, that wasn't me....(someone before me that I snipped) I went and
looked at it, (Life) but didn't see anything about Hoenig
Poly
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Thu Sep 21, 2000 4:27
am
Subject: Rainbow Drive
Greetings All!
I was just wondering if anyone has heard any new info on the Silva release
of the Rainbow Drive soundtrack.Last I heard it was to be released in
September.
Changing subjects a second,Seven Letters From Tibet demonstrates what I
like the most about TD.Like the great Forrest Gump said 'Life is like a box
of chocolates,You never know what you're gonna get!
That's the way it is with a CD release from TD.Just look how diverse they
can be.It never ceases to amaze me.
Rick
NP:Seven Letters From Tibet and wearing my t-shirt:>)
( Some of these sounds just send chills down my spine and believe it or not
my wife actually likes it )
From:
'Duncan Mckee'
Date: Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:03
am
Subject: old tdi numbering
hi everyone
can anybody tell me which two cds or on these numbers
TDI002CD
TDI004CD
thanks
Duncan McKee
mckee17@m...
http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm
ICQ 41739379
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:16
am
Subject: Re : [tadream] old tdi numbering
> TDI002CD
Tyranny of Beauty picture disc
> TDI004CD
Rockoon picture disc
Paul
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Date: Fri Sep 22, 2000 3:38
pm
Subject:
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Fri Sep 22, 2000 7:42
pm
Subject: Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
I have two versions of the US Miracle Mile release.
The booklet and tray inserts are identical, but the graphics and matrix
numbers differ.
My original copy says 'Hemdale' on the disc and the matrix number is:
W.O. 19452-5P
Another copy I found does NOT mention 'Hemdale' and the matrix number
is: 5/89 1DA3.
I wonder if the latter copy was a promo release?
Vic
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From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 2:14
am
Subject: Eclypse
Greetings All,
Just found this cd by TD.Has anyone else heard of this one?
Rick
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From:
spawnofcthulhu@w...
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 3:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Eclypse
>Just found this cd by TD.Has anyone >else heard of this one?
See if this is it:
Sonnenfinsternis Solar Eclipse 1999
Address:http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/solar.html
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 5:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Eclypse
Greetings!
This Eclypse says it is a studio jam session from 1982.I have the Solar
Eclipse Disc.I am sure it has to be a new bootleg.
Rick
From:
izyrp@o...
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 5:48
am
Subject: seven letters from tibet's cover image
imho the seven letters from tibet has the most
unispired and ugly TD cover i can think of at
the moment.
but wait a minute...
here is:
My Top 3 of ugliest TD cover images ever:
1.heartbreakers (silva screen CD)
2.the seven letters from tibet
3.white eagle
so after all i've found a TD cover image which
is even uglier then letters from tibet, but
hearbreakers CD release had noone from
the band involved i think
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From:
izyrp@o...
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 6:28
am
Subject: seven letters-the music
oh, and the music on it sounds as if they were already
mentally preparing for their forthcoming classical release.
very nice and surprisingly unrhythmical with lots of good
ideas.
noone would think they go this way, so it seems
Froeses can still be creative and positively
unpredictable at the same time.
From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 10:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
Vic,
My copy of M.Mile CD has the matrix number: W.O. 19452-3, just for your info.
Jeffrey
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Rek
To: tadream@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 3:42 AM
Subject: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
I have two versions of the US Miracle Mile release.
The booklet and tray inserts are identical, but the graphics and matrix
numbers differ.
My original copy says 'Hemdale' on the disc and the matrix number is:
W.O. 19452-5P
Another copy I found does NOT mention 'Hemdale' and the matrix number
is: 5/89 1DA3.
I wonder if the latter copy was a promo release?
Vic
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 1:17
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
Mine's different too. Is the matrix number the one printed on the disc
itself on the inside rim of the playing surface? If so, mine's 'Sonopress
260 016 A'
Paul
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>Ŕ :
>Objet : Re: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
>Date : Sam 23 sep 2000 12:11
>
>
> Vic,
>
> My copy of M.Mile CD has the matrix number: W.O. 19452-3, just for your info.
>
> Jeffrey
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vic Rek
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 3:42 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
>
>
> I have two versions of the US Miracle Mile release.
> The booklet and tray inserts are identical, but the graphics and matrix
> numbers differ.
>
> My original copy says 'Hemdale' on the disc and the matrix number is:
> W.O. 19452-5P
> Another copy I found does NOT mention 'Hemdale' and the matrix number
> is: 5/89 1DA3.
> I wonder if the latter copy was a promo release?
>
> Vic
>
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 1:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
These are mine 2/89 1DA2 ....ANd I can't beleive I spent 5 miutes looking
this up!
204729
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...]
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:42 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
>
>
>
> I have two versions of the US Miracle Mile release.
> The booklet and tray inserts are identical, but the graphics and matrix
> numbers differ.
>
> My original copy says 'Hemdale' on the disc and the matrix number is:
> W.O. 19452-5P
> Another copy I found does NOT mention 'Hemdale' and the matrix number
> is: 5/89 1DA3.
> I wonder if the latter copy was a promo release?
>
> Vic
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 3:10
pm
Subject: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
HI!
To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
1) the normal 1990 release
2) the 1990 miss-pressing
Strange!
I made a special 'White-Out' page for my Tangerine Dream fanpage. If
you want to see the differences - goto my site: www.rutka.de/td.
I got this information by A. Hedler some weeks ago and got both
versions now. Just compare the version you have.
Fortunately I got some nice CD-promos last week: Cat Scan, Tangents
and 'A Time For Heroes'. See my NEWS-section.
(Vic: Are you still alive?)
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 2:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
Rainer,
I checked out your 'White Out' page and I guess I have two versions of
the mis-pressing and none or the normal one. Thanks for providing this
info and scans. The second version of the 'mis-pressing' has the title
and catalog number printed on the spine.
Actually, I would like to get the normal version, so if anyone is
interesed to trade, check out my trade list at
http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm
Also, did you know that there are 3 promo versions of the 'A Time for
Heroes' CD single?
> To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
>
> 1) the normal 1990 release
> 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
> I made a special 'White-Out' page for my Tangerine Dream fanpage. If
> you want to see the differences - goto my site: www.rutka.de/td.
>
> Fortunately I got some nice CD-promos last week: Cat Scan, Tangents
> and 'A Time For Heroes'. See my NEWS-section.
>
> (Vic: Are you still alive?)
Somewhat...;-)
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 2:55
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
> From: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...]
> To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
>
> 1) the normal 1990 release
> 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
>
> Strange!
Cool... I've got a mispressing...
- jim
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 3:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
Thanks for the info!
It seems that so many versions exist, and just not of Miracle Mile.
Some look like different 'runs' of the CD. Can anyone comment on this?
> Mine's different too. Is the matrix number the one printed on the disc
> itself on the inside rim of the playing surface? If so, mine's 'Sonopress
> 260 016 A'
The above one is the German, not US pressing.
Vic
From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 3:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Rek
To: tadream@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
> The second version of the 'mis-pressing' has the title
> and catalog number printed on the spine.
This is also the version I have, so the 'normal' version is rarer than the
'mispress' I guess? Can fellow fans please submit further information as to
who owns which version(s)?
Also should we also compare Wuivend Riet? I know there are 3 different
covers...(US vs German vs Japanese)...who knows if a 4th diff. cover
exists.....?
Jeffrey
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Vic Rek wrote:
> Rainer,
> I checked out your 'White Out' page and I guess I have two versions of
> ..
> Also, did you know that there are 3 promo versions of the 'A Time for
> Heroes' CD single?
I think so. Because one is on your search-list :-))
Thank _you_ for the infos.
> > To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> > verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
> > 1) the normal 1990 release
> > 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Jeffrey Au Yeung wrote:
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
> > and catalog number printed on the spine.
> This is also the version I have, so the 'normal' version is rarer than the
> 'mispress' I guess? Can fellow fans please submit further information as to
> who owns which version(s)?
Hmmmm - good idea!
The normal version seems to be rarer. As I know, it was the first pressing.
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From:
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Subject: WHITE OUT Misprint, not WHITE OUT Mispressing.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:30:54 -0100 (MEZ) Rainer Rutka said:
>The normal version seems to be rarer. As I know, it was the first pressing.
If such is so, I suggest that we desist from calling any of the
versions 'a mispressing.' After all, the CD itself contains the very
same tracks in all instances. So the cover is different. Whoop-di-doo.
That doesn't make it a mispressing. A misprint, maybe, but seeing as
info like track times and a UPC symbol are both given correctly, I
think even calling it a misprint is stretching it.
-- Steven Feldman -- unhumble
webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at
http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 3:51
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
On Saturday, September 23, 2000 11:10 AM, Rainer Rutka [SMTP:rainer@k...]
wrote:
>
>
> HI!
>
> To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
>
> 1) the normal 1990 release
> 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
I have both #1 and #2 exactly as pictured on your web-site. I never
noticed the difference before other than the missing printing on the
spine. But there IS quite a difference. Very interesting.
Joel
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 6:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] WHITE OUT Misprint, not WHITE OUT Mispressing.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Steven Feldman wrote:
> If such is so, I suggest that we desist from calling any of the
> versions 'a mispressing.' After all, the CD itself contains the very
> same tracks in all instances. So the cover is different. Whoop-di-doo.
> That doesn't make it a mispressing. A misprint, maybe, but seeing as
> info like track times and a UPC symbol are both given correctly, I
> think even calling it a misprint is stretching it.
Yes, the tracks are the same. MIS-PRINT is better than MIS-PRESSING.
It's because of my bad english I didn't called it MIS-PRINT! It's
the better word for it. Sorry for the confusion!
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 6:16
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Joel Mullen wrote:
> > To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> I have both #1 and #2 exactly as pictured on your web-site. I never
> noticed the difference before other than the missing printing on the
> spine. But there IS quite a difference. Very interesting.
> Joel
Thank you Joel! This is why I did it :-)
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 9:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
izyrp@o... wrote:
> imho the seven letters from tibet has the most
> unispired and ugly TD cover i can think of at
> the moment.
I would argue that all of TD's worst album cover designs have come during
the past four years (I'm excluding soundtrack albums). Good design should
be legible from a distance, and say something about what it's advertising -
or at least evoke some kind of mood. The TDI label has given us an
abundance of atrocious typography and meaningless colour blobs. Seven
Letters From Tibet certainly is a prime offender in this regard, but here
are some other candidates:
1. Ambient Monkeys (all editions). The first cover was merely boring. The
second looked like a first year graphic design class project from 1977. But
the third is the most goddawful thing TD has ever put their name on. What
the hell is this? A bunch of coloured spheres? This looks like something a
person would do the first day that they tried using Adobe Photoshop. Then
there's that annoying 'handwritten' font. And to top it off, the colours
are crap.
2. Soundmill Navigator. Just awful. Ugly, bad type design (as usual), and
totally meaningless.
3. Antique Dreams. Or is it 'Tangerine Antique - Dream Dreams'? Here we
have one of the most long-awaited TDI label releases, and it comes with a
cover that looks like it was whipped up in 10 minutes.
4. Great Wall of China. Lovely colours and all, but what the hell does the
fractal pattern have to do with China, or the contents of the album? The
new attitude behind TD covers seems to be: look what I can do with my new
computer; isn't technology wonderful?
There a heated competition for 5th spot. How about the Atlantic
Bridges/Walls compilations, with their neon watercolour paint splotches?
The new Tyranny of Beauty, with it's blue gelatin? The new 220 Volt, with
it's turd brown fractal design? And I really hope they change the cover of
the Twilight Folder. Really, and though.
Now, it's not *all* bad. Sohoman is enigmatic and elegant (but then, I feel
the same way about White Eagle). Mars Polaris...well, it's a nice picture
of Mars. But Tournado and Valentine Wheels are the only other recent covers
which live up to the standards set by pre-1996 releases. I think that TDI
should stop spending their money on the foil lettering and hire a competent
graphic designer.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 3:04
pm
Subject: Discussion Week 54 - Sunday 24th September 2000
This week is the turn of Transsiberia. Please make your subject read
'D:Soundtrack [Transsiberia]' for the benefit of the archive search
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Remember all are welcome to post comments and reviews of the featured
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and also serve to allow us to understand _each other_ better. Please
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From:
'Gustavo Jobim'
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 9:28
pm
Subject: D:Studio [Hyperborea]
Hello everyone
I've finally bought recently Hyperborea, and I liked it a lot,
although it's not a favourite.
I was happy to find out that the first chord in Poland, my first TD
album with Ehite (Ehite?) Ehite Wagle :), comes from this album. Hyp
has indeed a cold atmosphere like its cover and also like Poland. My
favourite tracks were the first two (No Man's Land is first place,
with Hyp in a very close second place).
I think Hyperborea isn't a favourite because of the lack of those
great TD tunes found in Monolight, Majeure, Ric.part 1 (the guitar
theme), the Tangram piano theme, White Eagle (the track), and many
others.
see ya later
jobim np danger live - jensen university 1 (great stuff, great guitar
work)
From:
'Greg'
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 10:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
Actually I perceive the fractal pattern creating an abstract representation
of
the Great Wall of China. Colors depicting the duality of either side of the
fractak, or in this case, the GWoC. At least this is how I feel, but that's
what
this cover gives me the feeling of. Maybe it was not the least bit
intentional,
as you can tell by the other covers that don't even seem to relate to the
music.
Sohoman is a great cover too, but then I feel it would be a great cover for
Poland or Logos.
> 4. Great Wall of China. Lovely colours and all, but what the hell does
the
> fractal pattern have to do with China, or the contents of the album? The
> new attitude behind TD covers seems to be: look what I can do with my new
> computer; isn't technology wonderful?
> SEAN MONTGOMERY
>
> T O P I X / Mad Dog
> http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Admin.'
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 10:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
I don't see why one would have terrible things to say about the covers. What
counts is the music inside. If I took this serious, I would only buy books
for their cover only. I will give you valid thoughts on the cover, yes it
could be better. What counts for me is the music.
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From: Greg
To: tadream@egroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
>
>Actually I perceive the fractal pattern creating an abstract representation
>of
>the Great Wall of China. Colors depicting the duality of either side of the
>fractak, or in this case, the GWoC. At least this is how I feel, but that's
>what
>this cover gives me the feeling of. Maybe it was not the least bit
>intentional,
>as you can tell by the other covers that don't even seem to relate to the
>music.
>Sohoman is a great cover too, but then I feel it would be a great cover for
>Poland or Logos.
>
>
>> 4. Great Wall of China. Lovely colours and all, but what the hell does
>the
>> fractal pattern have to do with China, or the contents of the album? The
>> new attitude behind TD covers seems to be: look what I can do with my new
>> computer; isn't technology wonderful?
>
>> SEAN MONTGOMERY
>>
>> T O P I X / Mad Dog
>> http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
>
>
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sat Sep 23, 2000 11:32
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
> 1) the normal 1990 release
> 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
>
> Strange!
I've got the right-side one but with name and
number visible.
Marcel
Wondering if Johannes is ever going to release
another CD.
From:
spawnofcthulhu@w...
Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 3:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Hyperborea]
I also just recently purchased a copy of Hyperborea, and I am very glad
I did. I have long been a fan of the 'old stuff' and thought I'd give
this 'new stuff' a try. The title track is by far my favorite. Whenever
I listen to Cinnamon Road, the song ends up running thru my head for the
rest of the day. I don't know anything about the equipment/instruments
TD uses, or even how to discuss their music intelligently. I just go by
how the music makes me feel. Hyperborea (the title track) and parts of
Sphynx Lightning hit me the same way as some of my favorite '70's tracks
(i.e., 'Welcome to the Nexus, God will be with you shortly.')
Mike
Never †ouch †he Crosses
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From:
'Miguel Farah F.'
Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 5:00
am
Subject: Re: SV: album turnover
>
>Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: 'j.gordon'
>Subject: Re: SV: album turnover
>
>
>> But TD I am sure as a better deal with TDI than most boybands on large
>> labels. TDI and TD is more or less the same thing, isnt it? 200 000 copies
>> sold could be more than enough to provide for father and son for one year,
>> plus they have income from movie work etc.
>
>you're probably right... especially since they aren't doing any touring, which
>chews up the major bucks... but even so, distributors take a healthy chunk of
>the CD's cost (up to 45% with some of the major ones) and i've no idea about
>what kind of fees for producers, agents, managers or others, (if any) they
>shell out... 7% here and 10% and your 100% disappears VERY quickly... besides,
>employees are almost always the largest overhead... does TDI pay for itself by
>just breaking even, or are they in the black... or red?
>
>[...]
>
>however, that said, they do have the money from past endeavors, which i'm sure
>helps out... but that doesn't have any bearing on how well TDI has handled
>itself, in the books...
If that were the case, and TD NEEDED to release five albums per year to
keep itself out of the red numbers, then Edgar could go to his archives
and pull a Collector's Club, just like Fripp has done with King Crimson,
and use his free time to do just one (good) new album per year.
--
MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@w...
#include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel
<*>
'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.'
- Sledge Hammer
From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 1:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 641
Random thoughts at 5:00a.m on TD covers, music and 7LfT.
The covers seem to give the impression that the music is new of different.
New to fans just finding out about TD. Different to current fans that think
this 'must ' be a new release. The art is certainly different from 1st
releases. Better - no just different. The changing of covers on books is
used to the same effect. To 'show' that this copy is ' newer or different '
from the original issue. To me it is disconcerting to have 220 volt with
both old and new covers. Same song set and length, but radically different
covers.
The music is still the story here. Poland , Pargammon (sp?) are joined by
Valentine Wheels and Antique Dreams as listened too ' anytime-anyplace'.
I find 7 LfT to be new and more immediate and inmate music. Very
interesting. No Poland - but certainly worth several listening before making
a judgment.
What I find neat and an idea for TD is watch is what Pearl Jam has just
done - 25 concert 'bootlegs' are for sale on Amazon. They are cutting out
both Napester and bootleggers, while they reap the rewards and still
maintain a quality concert recording. Very new and different. Just wish TD
and Bruce Springsteen would try this approach. Just thing 5 or 10 or more
quality concert recording at one time. The mind goes numb with pleasure or
is it just lack of sleep?
Enough rambling - later.
DPH
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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
2. Re : Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
From: 'Paul Fellows'
3. RE: Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
From: 'Michael A Jean'
4. Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
From: Rainer Rutka
5. Re: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
From: Vic Rek
6. RE: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
From: 'Jim Moore'
7. Re: Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
From: Vic Rek
8. Re: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
9. Re: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
From: Rainer Rutka
10. Re: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
From: Rainer Rutka
11. WHITE OUT Misprint, not WHITE OUT Mispressing.
From: Steven Feldman
12. RE: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
From: Joel Mullen
13. Re: WHITE OUT Misprint, not WHITE OUT Mispressing.
From: Rainer Rutka
14. RE: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
From: Rainer Rutka
15. Re: seven letters from tibet's cover image
From: Sean Montgomery
16. Discussion Week 54 - Sunday 24th September 2000
From: 'Lawry Simm'
17. D:Studio [Hyperborea]
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
18. Re: seven letters from tibet's cover image
From: 'Greg'
19. Re: seven letters from tibet's cover image
From: 'Admin.'
20. RE: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
From: 'Marcel Engels'
21. Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea]
From: spawnofcthulhu@w...
22. Re: SV: album turnover
From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:11:32 +0800
From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
Subject: Re: Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
Vic,
My copy of M.Mile CD has the matrix number: W.O. 19452-3, just for your
info.
Jeffrey
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From: Vic Rek
To: tadream@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 3:42 AM
Subject: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
I have two versions of the US Miracle Mile release.
The booklet and tray inserts are identical, but the graphics and matrix
numbers differ.
My original copy says 'Hemdale' on the disc and the matrix number is:
W.O. 19452-5P
Another copy I found does NOT mention 'Hemdale' and the matrix number
is: 5/89 1DA3.
I wonder if the latter copy was a promo release?
Vic
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:17:39 +0200
From: 'Paul Fellows'
Subject: Re : Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
Mine's different too. Is the matrix number the one printed on the disc
itself on the inside rim of the playing surface? If so, mine's 'Sonopress
260 016 A'
Paul
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>De : 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
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>Objet : Re: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
>Date : Sam 23 sep 2000 12:11
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> Vic,
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> My copy of M.Mile CD has the matrix number: W.O. 19452-3, just for your
info.
>
> Jeffrey
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 3:42 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
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>
> I have two versions of the US Miracle Mile release.
> The booklet and tray inserts are identical, but the graphics and matrix
> numbers differ.
>
> My original copy says 'Hemdale' on the disc and the matrix number is:
> W.O. 19452-5P
> Another copy I found does NOT mention 'Hemdale' and the matrix number
> is: 5/89 1DA3.
> I wonder if the latter copy was a promo release?
>
> Vic
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:52:38 -0500
From: 'Michael A Jean'
Subject: RE: Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
These are mine 2/89 1DA2 ....ANd I can't beleive I spent 5 miutes looking
this up!
204729
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...]
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:42 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
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>
>
> I have two versions of the US Miracle Mile release.
> The booklet and tray inserts are identical, but the graphics and matrix
> numbers differ.
>
> My original copy says 'Hemdale' on the disc and the matrix number is:
> W.O. 19452-5P
> Another copy I found does NOT mention 'Hemdale' and the matrix number
> is: 5/89 1DA3.
> I wonder if the latter copy was a promo release?
>
> Vic
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:10:15 -0100 (MEZ)
From: Rainer Rutka
Subject: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
HI!
To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
1) the normal 1990 release
2) the 1990 miss-pressing
Strange!
I made a special 'White-Out' page for my Tangerine Dream fanpage. If
you want to see the differences - goto my site: www.rutka.de/td.
I got this information by A. Hedler some weeks ago and got both
versions now. Just compare the version you have.
Fortunately I got some nice CD-promos last week: Cat Scan, Tangents
and 'A Time For Heroes'. See my NEWS-section.
(Vic: Are you still alive?)
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:50:26 -0400
From: Vic Rek
Subject: Re: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
Rainer,
I checked out your 'White Out' page and I guess I have two versions of
the mis-pressing and none or the normal one. Thanks for providing this
info and scans. The second version of the 'mis-pressing' has the title
and catalog number printed on the spine.
Actually, I would like to get the normal version, so if anyone is
interesed to trade, check out my trade list at
http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm
Also, did you know that there are 3 promo versions of the 'A Time for
Heroes' CD single?
> To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
>
> 1) the normal 1990 release
> 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
> I made a special 'White-Out' page for my Tangerine Dream fanpage. If
> you want to see the differences - goto my site: www.rutka.de/td.
>
> Fortunately I got some nice CD-promos last week: Cat Scan, Tangents
> and 'A Time For Heroes'. See my NEWS-section.
>
> (Vic: Are you still alive?)
Somewhat...;-)
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:55:12 -0400
From: 'Jim Moore'
Subject: RE: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
> From: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...]
> To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
>
> 1) the normal 1990 release
> 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
>
> Strange!
Cool... I've got a mispressing...
- jim
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:06:24 -0400
From: Vic Rek
Subject: Re: Miracle Mile CD Collectors Question
Thanks for the info!
It seems that so many versions exist, and just not of Miracle Mile.
Some look like different 'runs' of the CD. Can anyone comment on this?
> Mine's different too. Is the matrix number the one printed on the disc
> itself on the inside rim of the playing surface? If so, mine's 'Sonopress
> 260 016 A'
The above one is the German, not US pressing.
Vic
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:09:52 +0800
From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
Subject: Re: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Rek
To: tadream@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
> The second version of the 'mis-pressing' has the title
> and catalog number printed on the spine.
This is also the version I have, so the 'normal' version is rarer than the
'mispress' I guess? Can fellow fans please submit further information as to
who owns which version(s)?
Also should we also compare Wuivend Riet? I know there are 3 different
covers...(US vs German vs Japanese)...who knows if a 4th diff. cover
exists.....?
Jeffrey
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:11:55 -0100 (MEZ)
From: Rainer Rutka
Subject: Re: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Vic Rek wrote:
> Rainer,
> I checked out your 'White Out' page and I guess I have two versions of
> ..
> Also, did you know that there are 3 promo versions of the 'A Time for
> Heroes' CD single?
I think so. Because one is on your search-list :-))
Thank _you_ for the infos.
> > To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> > verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
> > 1) the normal 1990 release
> > 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
Rainer
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:30:54 -0100 (MEZ)
From: Rainer Rutka
Subject: Re: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Jeffrey Au Yeung wrote:
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
> > and catalog number printed on the spine.
> This is also the version I have, so the 'normal' version is rarer than the
> 'mispress' I guess? Can fellow fans please submit further information as
to
> who owns which version(s)?
Hmmmm - good idea!
The normal version seems to be rarer. As I know, it was the first pressing.
Rainer
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:38:52 EDT
From: Steven Feldman
Subject: WHITE OUT Misprint, not WHITE OUT Mispressing.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:30:54 -0100 (MEZ) Rainer Rutka said:
>The normal version seems to be rarer. As I know, it was the first pressing.
If such is so, I suggest that we desist from calling any of the
versions 'a mispressing.' After all, the CD itself contains the very
same tracks in all instances. So the cover is different. Whoop-di-doo.
That doesn't make it a mispressing. A misprint, maybe, but seeing as
info like track times and a UPC symbol are both given correctly, I
think even calling it a misprint is stretching it.
-- Steven Feldman -- unhumble
webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at
http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:51:31 -0500
From: Joel Mullen
Subject: RE: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
On Saturday, September 23, 2000 11:10 AM, Rainer Rutka [SMTP:rainer@k...]
wrote:
>
>
> HI!
>
> To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> verisons of the 'White Out' CD existing?
>
> 1) the normal 1990 release
> 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
I have both #1 and #2 exactly as pictured on your web-site. I never
noticed the difference before other than the missing printing on the
spine. But there IS quite a difference. Very interesting.
Joel
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:12:50 -0100 (MEZ)
From: Rainer Rutka
Subject: Re: WHITE OUT Misprint, not WHITE OUT Mispressing.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Steven Feldman wrote:
> If such is so, I suggest that we desist from calling any of the
> versions 'a mispressing.' After all, the CD itself contains the very
> same tracks in all instances. So the cover is different. Whoop-di-doo.
> That doesn't make it a mispressing. A misprint, maybe, but seeing as
> info like track times and a UPC symbol are both given correctly, I
> think even calling it a misprint is stretching it.
Yes, the tracks are the same. MIS-PRINT is better than MIS-PRESSING.
It's because of my bad english I didn't called it MIS-PRINT! It's
the better word for it. Sorry for the confusion!
Rainer
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:16:49 -0100 (MEZ)
From: Rainer Rutka
Subject: RE: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Joel Mullen wrote:
> > To all Schmoelling fans outside: Did you know, that they are two
> I have both #1 and #2 exactly as pictured on your web-site. I never
> noticed the difference before other than the missing printing on the
> spine. But there IS quite a difference. Very interesting.
> Joel
Thank you Joel! This is why I did it :-)
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:08:23 -0400
From: Sean Montgomery
Subject: Re: seven letters from tibet's cover image
izyrp@o... wrote:
> imho the seven letters from tibet has the most
> unispired and ugly TD cover i can think of at
> the moment.
I would argue that all of TD's worst album cover designs have come during
the past four years (I'm excluding soundtrack albums). Good design should
be legible from a distance, and say something about what it's advertising -
or at least evoke some kind of mood. The TDI label has given us an
abundance of atrocious typography and meaningless colour blobs. Seven
Letters From Tibet certainly is a prime offender in this regard, but here
are some other candidates:
1. Ambient Monkeys (all editions). The first cover was merely boring. The
second looked like a first year graphic design class project from 1977. But
the third is the most goddawful thing TD has ever put their name on. What
the hell is this? A bunch of coloured spheres? This looks like something a
person would do the first day that they tried using Adobe Photoshop. Then
there's that annoying 'handwritten' font. And to top it off, the colours
are crap.
2. Soundmill Navigator. Just awful. Ugly, bad type design (as usual), and
totally meaningless.
3. Antique Dreams. Or is it 'Tangerine Antique - Dream Dreams'? Here we
have one of the most long-awaited TDI label releases, and it comes with a
cover that looks like it was whipped up in 10 minutes.
4. Great Wall of China. Lovely colours and all, but what the hell does the
fractal pattern have to do with China, or the contents of the album? The
new attitude behind TD covers seems to be: look what I can do with my new
computer; isn't technology wonderful?
There a heated competition for 5th spot. How about the Atlantic
Bridges/Walls compilations, with their neon watercolour paint splotches?
The new Tyranny of Beauty, with it's blue gelatin? The new 220 Volt, with
it's turd brown fractal design? And I really hope they change the cover of
the Twilight Folder. Really, and though.
Now, it's not *all* bad. Sohoman is enigmatic and elegant (but then, I feel
the same way about White Eagle). Mars Polaris...well, it's a nice picture
of Mars. But Tournado and Valentine Wheels are the only other recent covers
which live up to the standards set by pre-1996 releases. I think that TDI
should stop spending their money on the foil lettering and hire a competent
graphic designer.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:04:03 +0100
From: 'Lawry Simm'
Subject: Discussion Week 54 - Sunday 24th September 2000
This week is the turn of Transsiberia. Please make your subject read
'D:Soundtrack [Transsiberia]' for the benefit of the archive search
engines.
Remember all are welcome to post comments and reviews of the featured
album of the week. They help serve to be a guide to new list members,
and also serve to allow us to understand _each other_ better. Please
do try to take part (there are only a few weeks left now!)
Cheers,
Lawry
lawry.simm@f...
ICQ # 23267226
Instant Messenger - lawrysimm
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:28:11 -0000
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
Subject: D:Studio [Hyperborea]
Hello everyone
I've finally bought recently Hyperborea, and I liked it a lot,
although it's not a favourite.
I was happy to find out that the first chord in Poland, my first TD
album with Ehite (Ehite?) Ehite Wagle :), comes from this album. Hyp
has indeed a cold atmosphere like its cover and also like Poland. My
favourite tracks were the first two (No Man's Land is first place,
with Hyp in a very close second place).
I think Hyperborea isn't a favourite because of the lack of those
great TD tunes found in Monolight, Majeure, Ric.part 1 (the guitar
theme), the Tangram piano theme, White Eagle (the track), and many
others.
see ya later
jobim np danger live - jensen university 1 (great stuff, great guitar
work)
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:19:51 -0700
From: 'Greg'
Subject: Re: seven letters from tibet's cover image
Actually I perceive the fractal pattern creating an abstract representation
of
the Great Wall of China. Colors depicting the duality of either side of the
fractak, or in this case, the GWoC. At least this is how I feel, but that's
what
this cover gives me the feeling of. Maybe it was not the least bit
intentional,
as you can tell by the other covers that don't even seem to relate to the
music.
Sohoman is a great cover too, but then I feel it would be a great cover for
Poland or Logos.
> 4. Great Wall of China. Lovely colours and all, but what the hell does
the
> fractal pattern have to do with China, or the contents of the album? The
> new attitude behind TD covers seems to be: look what I can do with my new
> computer; isn't technology wonderful?
> SEAN MONTGOMERY
>
> T O P I X / Mad Dog
> http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:08:12 -0700
From: 'Admin.'
Subject: Re: seven letters from tibet's cover image
I don't see why one would have terrible things to say about the covers. What
counts is the music inside. If I took this serious, I would only buy books
for their cover only. I will give you valid thoughts on the cover, yes it
could be better. What counts for me is the music.
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From: Greg
To: tadream@egroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
>
>Actually I perceive the fractal pattern creating an abstract representation
>of
>the Great Wall of China. Colors depicting the duality of either side of the
>fractak, or in this case, the GWoC. At least this is how I feel, but that's
>what
>this cover gives me the feeling of. Maybe it was not the least bit
>intentional,
>as you can tell by the other covers that don't even seem to relate to the
>music.
>Sohoman is a great cover too, but then I feel it would be a great cover for
>Poland or Logos.
>
>
>> 4. Great Wall of China. Lovely colours and all, but what the hell does
>the
>> fractal pattern have to do with China, or the contents of the album? The
>> new attitude behind TD covers seems to be: look what I can do with my new
>> computer; isn't technology wonderful?
>
>> SEAN MONTGOMERY
>>
>> T O P I X / Mad Dog
>> http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:32:03 +0200
From: 'Marcel Engels'
Subject: RE: Schmoellings' WHITE OUT misspressing!
> 1) the normal 1990 release
> 2) the 1990 miss-pressing
>
> Strange!
I've got the right-side one but with name and
number visible.
Marcel
Wondering if Johannes is ever going to release
another CD.
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:02:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: spawnofcthulhu@w...
Subject: Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea]
I also just recently purchased a copy of Hyperborea, and I am very glad
I did. I have long been a fan of the 'old stuff' and thought I'd give
this 'new stuff' a try. The title track is by far my favorite. Whenever
I listen to Cinnamon Road, the song ends up running thru my head for the
rest of the day. I don't know anything about the equipment/instruments
TD uses, or even how to discuss their music intelligently. I just go by
how the music makes me feel. Hyperborea (the title track) and parts of
Sphynx Lightning hit me the same way as some of my favorite '70's tracks
(i.e., 'Welcome to the Nexus, God will be with you shortly.')
Mike
Never †ouch †he Crosses
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:00:45 -0400 (CLT)
From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
Subject: Re: SV: album turnover
>
>Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: 'j.gordon'
>Subject: Re: SV: album turnover
>
>
>> But TD I am sure as a better deal with TDI than most boybands on large
>> labels. TDI and TD is more or less the same thing, isnt it? 200 000
copies
>> sold could be more than enough to provide for father and son for one
year,
>> plus they have income from movie work etc.
>
>you're probably right... especially since they aren't doing any touring,
which
>chews up the major bucks... but even so, distributors take a healthy chunk
of
>the CD's cost (up to 45% with some of the major ones) and i've no idea
about
>what kind of fees for producers, agents, managers or others, (if any) they
>shell out... 7% here and 10% and your 100% disappears VERY quickly...
besides,
>employees are almost always the largest overhead... does TDI pay for itself
by
>just breaking even, or are they in the black... or red?
>
>[...]
>
>however, that said, they do have the money from past endeavors, which i'm
sure
>helps out... but that doesn't have any bearing on how well TDI has handled
>itself, in the books...
If that were the case, and TD NEEDED to release five albums per year to
keep itself out of the red numbers, then Edgar could go to his archives
and pull a Collector's Club, just like Fripp has done with King Crimson,
and use his free time to do just one (good) new album per year.
--
MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@w...
#include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel
<*>
'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.'
- Sledge Hammer
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From:
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Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 3:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Hoenig
Hi there,
I'm Nigel from Toronto who asked the question; Micheal Hoenig where is he now?
He programmed the track 'We never danced' on Neil Young and Crazy Horse's
album 'Life' back in 1987. (This was about his last visit to the synth
concept on this album)
To tell you the truth the album is not very good and was the last album Neil
made before his resurgence with the brilliant 'Freedom'. He has not really
looked back since then. I saw him last month and he was sooooooo good.
If you need the album look in second hand or cheapo discount stores I bought
my copy for $can 6 about $US 4 or 3 brtitish pounds! It's probably worth
that but not a lot more.
thanks for the info
I'll order some of the suggestions.
Cheers
Nigel
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 3:27
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: SV: album turnover
>If that were the case, and TD NEEDED to release five albums per year to
>keep itself out of the red numbers, then Edgar could go to his archives
>and pull a Collector's Club, just like Fripp has done with King Crimson,
>and use his free time to do just one (good) new album per year.
>
>MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@w...
I am sure that will happen the day Eddie thinks he doesnt make so much good
music anymore, let's say in 2003 (this is all hypothetical). The Collectors
Club is a move he has saved for such a day.
Glenn
www.jmjfkn.com
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat
From:
'Glynn Naughton'
Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 4:29
pm
Subject: Music!
Hello there,
Sorry for the somewhat OT post (although I think it's at least
vaguely relevant).
Over the last few days I've been compulsively listening to Madonna's
_Music_, and it reminds me of TD back in the Virgin years. No, it
doesn't sound like Rubycon or Stratosfear. But she's managed to do
what TD used to be able to do back then - make a seriously off-the-
wall record that still sounds commercial.
And believe me, sometimes this record is extremely wacky. OK, the
William Orbit tracks sound like they came from _Ray of Light 2_
(although that's no bad thing). It's mainly when this Mirwais Ahmadzai
bloke gets involved that things become wonderfully strange. There are
some bizarre tricks with the vocals, the arrangement sometimes seems
deviod of conventional instruments, and the rhythms are odd enough to
make you think that the CD has jumped. Even what would have been
straighforward acoustic guitar-strummed songs become bizarre because
of the way the guitar parts are chopped up. It's without doubt one of
the most compulsive records I've ever heard; I think I must have
played it as much as I did _Logos_ in its first week.
Give it a try!
Glynn
P.S. Incidentally, I don't subscribe to the patronising slander that
says that Madonna records are 'really' made by her collaborators,
with Madge as nothing more than a figurehead or eye-candy.
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 5:52
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Music!
>P.S. Incidentally, I don't subscribe to the patronising slander that
>says that Madonna records are 'really' made by her collaborators,
>with Madge as nothing more than a figurehead or eye-candy.
And Madge saying 'I usually give them an idea, and then leave them to do the
job' doesnt tell you anything? And that Madonna's 'serious' music only
started when Orbit came along for Ray of Light?
Glenn
www.jmjfkn.com
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 4:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 6:48 AM
Subject: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
>
> imho the seven letters from tibet has the most
> unispired and ugly TD cover i can think of at
> the moment.
> but wait a minute...
> here is:
> My Top 3 of ugliest TD cover images ever:
> 1.heartbreakers (silva screen CD)
> 2.the seven letters from tibet
> 3.white eagle
> so after all i've found a TD cover image which
> is even uglier then letters from tibet, but
> hearbreakers CD release had noone from
> the band involved i think
>
>
> Some years ago there was this glossy book.............I think it was the
'Album Cover Album' which voted Tangram as one of the worst covers that
year. I agree. I don't like the Tyger cover either.
What's your favourite cover? At the moment mine is Turn of the Tides,
the original.
David
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 10:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
'Admin.' wrote:
> I don't see why one would have terrible things to say about the covers. What
> counts is the music inside. If I took this serious, I would only buy books
> for their cover only. I will give you valid thoughts on the cover, yes it
> could be better. What counts for me is the music.
I've complained about the music enough on the list already, hee hee!
The fact is, people *do* judge books by their covers, both literally and
figuratively.
Now, which TD album covers do I like?
1. Stratosfear - Of all their covers, this image most closely encapsulates the
band's music...surreal, yet tidy.
2. Atem - A couple of recent covers (notably Tang-go) show Edgar experimenting
with more organic textures, akin to the traditional art he was doing back in the
70s. But the new covers lack any focus, or content. The image of little Jerome
here is great - it adds humanity. And the colour pallette is nicely restrained,
in contrast to the garish designs we've seen lately.
3. Pergamon - I'm not sure why I like this one. I mean, I'm not great fan of
abstract art. But there's something compelling and elegant about it's
simplicity, and it suits the music.
4. Lily on the Beach/Optical Race - I love the Private Music album covers. This
is what I mean by good graphic design and typography. These covers may be a bit
too literal, but this was at a time when their music was also less opaque, and
more to the point. Optical Race gets extra points for being easily identifiable
at a distance, a key feature of good design.
5. Melrose - It's just a great, moody picture.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 11:43
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
>'Admin.' wrote:
>
>> I don't see why one would have terrible things to say about the covers.
What
>> counts is the music inside. If I took this serious, I would only buy
books
>> for their cover only.
Many people, including the artists, like to belive that the covers are part
of the artwork package that you buy. Its not difficult to imagine that the
artwork is a visualization of the music from the composers point of view, or
representing the associations the composer make about his/her own music.
This means that if the artwork is bad, either the composer(s) associate
something bad or indifferent about the music. Or it could be that the
composer/artist just doesnt care about the presentation of his music and
just slap some Photoshop filtered image on the CD.
Either way, a bad cover reflects something from the artist/composer.
At least, if you want to present bad artwork, try and make it look like you
spent some time on it, nothing is worse than artwork that looks bad AND made
in 10 minutes. Better then, to have artwork that looks bad but it shows you
spent two weeks on it.
Glenn
www.jmjfkn.com
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat
From:
aoutland@a...
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 12:11
am
Subject: Re: Favorite TD cover
In a message dated 09/24/2000 6:18:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sean@t... writes:
<< Now, which TD album covers do I like? >>
I will always love the first album I ever heard and while listening to
it, also spent a few hours staring at that beautiful, mysterious cover:
Ricochet
8-) Dell
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 2:20
am
Subject: Mars Polaris review
Hey,
I have posted my review of Mars Polaris at
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
Glenn
www.jmjfkn.com
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat
From:
odean@e...
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 6:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favorite TD cover
At 08:11 PM 9/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
><< Now, which TD album covers do I like? >>
>
> I will always love the first album I ever heard and while listening to
>it, also spent a few hours staring at that beautiful, mysterious cover:
> Ricochet
>
> 8-) Dell
I agree Dell. It is very stark and simple but is also bold at the same
time. Hmmm, I'll have to pull out that CD, haven't played it in a while....
Oscar
On now: Hawkwind - Electric Tepee
On next: Tangerine Dream - Ricochet
http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:33
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Music!
I was really looking forward to this album, but my enthusiam has been
tapering off the more that I listen to it... I loved RAY OF LIGHT, but
haven't been able to get into this one very much... I a hoping some of the
single remixes will be more in line with what I enjoy... The one track
almost sounded like that Cher tune with all the vocal tricks going on...I
have to agree with you that it is wacky alright!
MJ
>
> Sorry for the somewhat OT post (although I think it's at least
> vaguely relevant).
>
> Over the last few days I've been compulsively listening to Madonna's
> _Music_, and it reminds me of TD back in the Virgin years. No, it
> doesn't sound like Rubycon or Stratosfear. But she's managed to do
> what TD used to be able to do back then - make a seriously off-the-
> wall record that still sounds commercial.
>
> And believe me, sometimes this record is extremely wacky. OK, the
> William Orbit tracks sound like they came from _Ray of Light 2_
> (although that's no bad thing). It's mainly when this Mirwais Ahmadzai
> bloke gets involved that things become wonderfully strange. There are
> some bizarre tricks with the vocals, the arrangement sometimes seems
> deviod of conventional instruments, and the rhythms are odd enough to
> make you think that the CD has jumped. Even what would have been
> straighforward acoustic guitar-strummed songs become bizarre because
> of the way the guitar parts are chopped up. It's without doubt one of
> the most compulsive records I've ever heard; I think I must have
> played it as much as I did _Logos_ in its first week.
>
> Give it a try!
>
> Glynn
>
>
>
From:
'David Cotner'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 6:11
am
Subject: Experimental music.
Hello and so forth to you.
To receive rather regular ripostes and reports about
experimental music and all its attendant effluvia, be sure
to send a message to
Hertz-Lion-subscribe@egroups.com
and you, too, shall become faintly more informed than previously.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
David Cotner,
|||
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 9:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, David Foster wrote:
> > 2.the seven letters from tibet
> What's your favourite cover?
Cyclone and
7 Letters of Tibet (Y E S)
Rainer
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From:
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Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 9:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
Rainer Rutka wrote:
> > What's your favourite cover?
> Cyclone and 7 Letters of Tibet (Y E S)
I'd say YES to 'Cyclone'...but 7 Letters?! Come on Rainer, I thought you had
taste ;-)) My favourite cover has to be the one for 'Ricochet', it's simple
but very impressive and brings back memories of staring at it whilst
listening to the album which is still one of my favourites recordings of all
time. Also beautiful is the back cover photograph of the 'Encore' lp sleeve.
Heiko
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 10:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> > > What's your favourite cover?
> > Cyclone and 7 Letters of Tibet (Y E S)
> I'd say YES to 'Cyclone'...but 7 Letters?! Come on Rainer, I thought you had
> taste ;-))
.... Yes -> simple! This is why I like the 7 Letters.. cover (at the moment).
I mean only the front cover (not the insde one). I like it, because it's
simple and not using too much colors.
But this is a question of my personal taste. I like simple covers.
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 10:39
am
Subject: Tangentized 'Loophole'
After looking at the TDI music webpage, I checked out the albums listed..
and what I noticed for both Soundmill Navigator and Sohoman is the word
live in quotes like this: 'live.' Also for SN, it shows a date of 1976 -
2000
and for Sohoman 1982 - 1999. I am assuming that given this information,
we could assume these concerts were tangentized without even listening
to them. I call this a loophole because it's an easy way to get an old date
on new material and have justification for doing whatever the artist wants
with it.
Greg H.
From:
yannick.edom@s...
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 12:34
pm
Subject: CDR project running on again
Greetings
After a long (very long) waiting, i finally received from Joel Mullen the
CDRs containing the tracks for the tadream mailing list CDR project.
The project is still open if you want to be part of it, please contact me.
I will close the 'registration' at the end of October so i will complete the
final product for the end of this year (a kind of new millenium
contribution).
The title of the Compilation project is not yet chosen so we can also
discuss about it.
For every member in the project i would like to add a short profile in the
booklet.
Now the project is finally running on again.
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
yannick.edom@s...
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 12:43
pm
Subject: Need to contac Jeff Bergman
Greetings
For the well running of the CDR project i need to contact some of the
members
Unfortunately the -emeil of Jeff Bergman i got is not valid.
could jeff contact me ,
Thanks
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 6:59
pm
Subject: Archie Patterson Likes RAY OF LIGHT; Madonna is Talented
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:52:34 +0200 Glenn Folkvord said:
>>P.S. Incidentally, I don't subscribe to the patronising slander that
>>says that Madonna records are 'really' made by her collaborators,
>>with Madge as nothing more than a figurehead or eye-candy.
I'm reminded of the fact that when I forwarded my list of best
e-music albums of the 1990s to Eurock, and had listed RAY OF LIGHT as
10th of 10 (the bulk being Tangerine Dream albums), Archie Patterson
e-mailed me back to say that RAY OF LIGHT was the *only* thing on my
list that he agreed with -- and TIMESQUARE and MARS POLARIS had been/is
on my list of Top 10 of the 1990s!
>And Madge saying 'I usually give them an idea, and then leave them to
>do the job' doesnt tell you anything? [. . .]
Sorry, but there are three other e-music maestros who largely
worked this way David Bowie, Brian Eno, and Giorgio Moroder.
-- Steven Feldman -- unhumble
webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at
http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html
From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 2:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] CDR project running on again
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 yannick.edom@s... wrote:
> After a long (very long) waiting, i finally received from Joel Mullen the
> CDRs containing the tracks for the tadream mailing list CDR project.
> The project is still open if you want to be part of it, please contact me.
OUI!
I want!
Bye.
Rainer
rainer@k...
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:06
pm
Subject: [tadream] favorite td cover
okay, i'll play:
favorite TD cover(s):
optical race
miracle mile
melrose
j.gordon
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Music!
I loved Madonna's Ray of Light like yourself Mike, and I didn't care for
Madonna's new one either. Have you guys heard U2's new single? It's
excellent from a former big U2 fan. -Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael A Jean'
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:33 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Music!
>
> I was really looking forward to this album, but my enthusiam has been
> tapering off the more that I listen to it... I loved RAY OF LIGHT, but
> haven't been able to get into this one very much... I a hoping some of the
> single remixes will be more in line with what I enjoy... The one track
> almost sounded like that Cher tune with all the vocal tricks going on...I
> have to agree with you that it is wacky alright!
>
> MJ
>
> >
> > Sorry for the somewhat OT post (although I think it's at least
> > vaguely relevant).
> >
> > Over the last few days I've been compulsively listening to Madonna's
> > _Music_, and it reminds me of TD back in the Virgin years. No, it
> > doesn't sound like Rubycon or Stratosfear. But she's managed to do
> > what TD used to be able to do back then - make a seriously off-the-
> > wall record that still sounds commercial.
> >
> > And believe me, sometimes this record is extremely wacky. OK, the
> > William Orbit tracks sound like they came from _Ray of Light 2_
> > (although that's no bad thing). It's mainly when this Mirwais Ahmadzai
> > bloke gets involved that things become wonderfully strange. There are
> > some bizarre tricks with the vocals, the arrangement sometimes seems
> > deviod of conventional instruments, and the rhythms are odd enough to
> > make you think that the CD has jumped. Even what would have been
> > straighforward acoustic guitar-strummed songs become bizarre because
> > of the way the guitar parts are chopped up. It's without doubt one of
> > the most compulsive records I've ever heard; I think I must have
> > played it as much as I did _Logos_ in its first week.
> >
> > Give it a try!
> >
> > Glynn
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 4:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
I love the back cover of Tournado. I wish I had a large print of it. Prints
use a higher quality of paper than posters. But then I'd probably be asking
too much. Hell, I'd be happy with just a poster! :-) -Frank Arellano
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Rainer Rutka'
To:
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
>
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
> > > > What's your favourite cover?
> > > Cyclone and 7 Letters of Tibet (Y E S)
> > I'd say YES to 'Cyclone'...but 7 Letters?! Come on Rainer, I thought you
had
> > taste ;-))
> .... Yes -> simple! This is why I like the 7 Letters.. cover (at the
moment).
> I mean only the front cover (not the insde one). I like it, because it's
> simple and not using too much colors.
> But this is a question of my personal taste. I like simple covers.
>
> Rainer
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 4:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
I too like the cover of Pergamon. I found it to have good contrast in colors
and offset balance. I also like Mars Polaris's contrasting colors. Plus the
image of a planet evokes deep thoughts about our place in this universe.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Sean Montgomery'
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
>
>
>
> 'Admin.' wrote:
>
> > I don't see why one would have terrible things to say about the covers.
What
> > counts is the music inside. If I took this serious, I would only buy
books
> > for their cover only. I will give you valid thoughts on the cover, yes
it
> > could be better. What counts for me is the music.
>
> I've complained about the music enough on the list already, hee hee!
>
> The fact is, people *do* judge books by their covers, both literally and
> figuratively.
>
> Now, which TD album covers do I like?
>
> 1. Stratosfear - Of all their covers, this image most closely encapsulates
the
> band's music...surreal, yet tidy.
> 2. Atem - A couple of recent covers (notably Tang-go) show Edgar
experimenting
> with more organic textures, akin to the traditional art he was doing back
in the
> 70s. But the new covers lack any focus, or content. The image of little
Jerome
> here is great - it adds humanity. And the colour pallette is nicely
restrained,
> in contrast to the garish designs we've seen lately.
> 3. Pergamon - I'm not sure why I like this one. I mean, I'm not great fan
of
> abstract art. But there's something compelling and elegant about it's
> simplicity, and it suits the music.
> 4. Lily on the Beach/Optical Race - I love the Private Music album covers.
This
> is what I mean by good graphic design and typography. These covers may be
a bit
> too literal, but this was at a time when their music was also less opaque,
and
> more to the point. Optical Race gets extra points for being easily
identifiable
> at a distance, a key feature of good design.
> 5. Melrose - It's just a great, moody picture.
>
> --
> SEAN MONTGOMERY
>
> T O P I X / Mad Dog
> http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 5:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] favorite td cover
My turn:
(1) Thief (anyone know where a poster of this image can be bought?)
(2) Pergamon
(3) Sohoman
- jim
From:
izyrp@o...
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 5:29
pm
Subject: fave cover
######What's your favourite cover? At the moment mine is Turn of
the Tides,
the original.
David######
'zeit' maybe? (despite the music, which seems only
bearable in very specific moods).
ricochet has also great cover, although this remains somehow
my less liked TD album of the 70s, as long as the music is
concerned.
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 5:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] favorite td cover
Here's Mine!
1.The Dream Roots Collection-All Discs
2.Oasis-TDI Covers
3.Mars Polaris
4.Optical Race
5.Sohoman
Rick
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] favorite td cover
>From: rbrown4856@a...
>
>Here's Mine!
>
> 1.The Dream Roots Collection-All Discs
> 2.Oasis-TDI Covers
> 3.Mars Polaris
> 4.Optical Race
> 5.Sohoman
You know, I thought the Sohoman cover was cute, but then I took it
literally. It looks like little snowballs on a snowfield. This is an
Australian concert and I can think of a million other covers that would more
closely reflect the subjet matter. I mean really, is a white field with
white spheres what Edgar thinks of when he deeply reflects on this concert?
Maybe.
-Morgan
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 7:28
pm
Subject: Re: Favorite cover picture
In a message dated 9/24/00 4:44:48 PM, fozziebear@b...
writes:
>What's your favourite cover? At the moment mine is Turn of the Tides,
>the original.
My favorite TD cover is 'Tyranny of Beauty,' again the original. I think the
silver and bronze go to 'TimeSquare' and probably 'Zeit.'
--Daniel
NP: Covenant--Europa
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From:
'James E. Jacoby'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 8:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favorite cover picture
You know, I did rather like those bubble-covers that were on the Tangents
box-set discs.
James
From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 9:28
pm
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re: Favorite cover picture
I second that. I always thought they were something special !
Poul
> You know, I did rather like those bubble-covers that were on the Tangents
> box-set discs.
>
> James
>
From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2000 2:38
am
Subject: Attention: Carl Kearney and Sean Montgomery
Hey guys,
Could you please contact me off-list (I have your address Sean, don't think I
know Carl's though)?
thanks,
Gabe
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2000 3:03
am
Subject: The Best of TD
Hi Fans,
I'm trying to locate the 'Best of TD' releases for the BLUE YEARS and
PINK YEARS released in 1998. I am interested in the US release in
particular (not the ones released in 2000), if you can help me in
trading for these, then I'm sure I can make it worth your while. Vic
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2000 3:03
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Best of TD
On Monday, September 25, 2000 10:03 PM, Vic Rek [SMTP:torque19@i...] wrote:
> Hi Fans,
>
> I'm trying to locate the 'Best of TD' releases for the BLUE YEARS and
> PINK YEARS released in 1998. I am interested in the US release in
> particular (not the ones released in 2000), if you can help me in
> trading for these, then I'm sure I can make it worth your while. Vic
>
>
Vic-
I have an extra 1998 'Blue Years'
Regards,
Joel
From:
RyanKCR@J...
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2000 3:18
am
Subject: Favorite Cover Picture
Hi all,
I'll jump in with my a few of my favorite cover pictures. Not in any
specific order:
Phaedra
Rubycon
Ricochet
Stratosfear
Encore
LeParc
And for anyone interested I have finally come up with my top 16 TD tracks
and in order:
1. Ricochet Part 2
2. Quichotte Part 2
3. Soundmill Navigator
4. Phaedra
5. Rubycon
6. Cherokee Lane
7. Stratosfear
8. Coldwater Canyon
9. Desert Dream
10. Rubycon Part II
11. Monolight
12.Quichotte Part 1
13.Sequent C'
14. 3am at the Border from the Marsh at Okeefenokee
15. Invisible Limits
16. Movements of a Visionary
Mike
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2000 3:18
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Best of TD
Vic-
Sorry, I checked and it is the 1998 release from England. According to
my information there never was a USA release in 1998, only 2000. And there is
no other 2000 release other than the USA one. (in short only two releases, one
in 1998 (England) and one in 2000 (USA)) If anyone else has any different
information please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards,
Joel
On Monday, September 25, 2000 10:04 PM, Joel Mullen [SMTP:joelm@p...]
wrote:
>
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2000 10:03 PM, Vic Rek [SMTP:torque19@i...] wrote:
> > Hi Fans,
> >
> > I'm trying to locate the 'Best of TD' releases for the BLUE YEARS and
> > PINK YEARS released in 1998. I am interested in the US release in
> > particular (not the ones released in 2000), if you can help me in
> > trading for these, then I'm sure I can make it worth your while. Vic
> >
> >
>
> Vic-
> I have an extra 1998 'Blue Years'
>
> Regards,
>
> Joel
>
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 6:12
pm
Subject: Fave TD Album Art
Okay, this list is slanted towards Froese solos, but what can I
say? Nice pix is nice pix. :)
My first fave is #1 and my last fave is #10 in the list below.
1) SOHOMAN
2) DREAM DICE (the outer box)
3) MACULA TRANSFER
4) VALENTINE WHEELS [I like the album art, *not* the music!]
5) RICOCHET
6) STRATOSFEAR
7) WHAT A BLAST
8) PINNACLES
9) THE TURN OF THE TIDES
10) EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE
I haven't ever actually seen the DREAM DICE set in real-life, so
I'm going by the imagery that was displayed on the TDI website way back
when.
Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876;
. Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107;
801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/
Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Node, Ozrics, Serrie
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Experimental music.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:11:23 -0000 David Cotner said:
>Hello and so forth to you.
Ooooo, now *there's* an ingenuous salutation. ;)
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2000 6:54
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Attention: Carl Kearney and Sean Montgomery
BTW, Gabe, you said Melrose was your favorite TD CD, which are your other
favorite ones?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gabe Yedid'
To:
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:38 PM
Subject: [tadream] Attention: Carl Kearney and Sean Montgomery
> Hey guys,
>
> Could you please contact me off-list (I have your address Sean, don't
think I
> know Carl's though)?
>
> thanks,
>
> Gabe
>
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From:
Totta Rydqvist
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2000 11:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] fantapes
Hi stephen
Are you still looking for fan tapes ??
Just let me know
Totta
stephen thomas wrote:
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> I am looking for fantapes
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From:
horrod6
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2000 6:15
pm
Subject: Re: CDR project running on again
Yannick wrote:
'The title of the Compilation project is not yet chosen so we can also
discuss about it.'
I know we had a few suggestions earlier in the year, but I can't
remember if anyone has already come up with this one....
How about 'Oneirology' - it means 'the study of dreams'. Or 'Oneiric
inspirations' - inspirations belonging to dreams?
Yannick - maybe you could let us know what all the suggestions you've
received so far have been? It might inspire more ideas, as well as
starting up some discussion on the subject.
All the best with the project, all of you
Marion
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TD acetate (what is this?) 'Backstreet Hero'
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2000 6:53
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: CDR project running on again
'Tributaries', 'Melatone'n' and 'Synthesis' were suggested back in June (not
by me!)
How about something like 'DreamWatchers Tales'?
Paul
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>De : horrod6
>Ŕ : 'tadream@o...'
>Objet : [tadream] Re: CDR project running on again
>Date : Mer 27 sep 2000 20:15
>
> Yannick wrote:
>
> 'The title of the Compilation project is not yet chosen so we can also
> discuss about it.'
>
> I know we had a few suggestions earlier in the year, but I can't
> remember if anyone has already come up with this one....
>
> How about 'Oneirology' - it means 'the study of dreams'. Or 'Oneiric
> inspirations' - inspirations belonging to dreams?
>
> Yannick - maybe you could let us know what all the suggestions you've
> received so far have been? It might inspire more ideas, as well as
> starting up some discussion on the subject.
>
> All the best with the project, all of you
>
> Marion
>
>
>
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2000 10:27
pm
Subject: TD acetate (what is this?) 'Backstreet Hero'
Hi ev'rybody out there!
Just a question to the experts!
Today I got something like an acetate (spelling right?) by Tangerine
Dream. This is an one-sided record with the track 'Backtreet Hero'
onto it. The size is like the old vinyl E.P. (between single and LP
size). The material is like shellack (but it isn't).
See the pictures onto my Td fan-page: www.rutka.de/td -> NEW
What is an acetate (or azetate???)? For what reason is this
pressed? Is it a promo? What material is this? Is this rare????
Why is this existing?
Please send me (if you know) some help. If I may, I'll include it
onto my 'Backstreet Hero' acetate page (including the name).
Rainer
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From:
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Date: Wed Sep 27, 2000 10:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD acetate (what is this?) 'Backstreet Hero'
' The Song Remains the same '
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Rainer Rutka'
To: 'tadream@o...'
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:27 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD acetate (what is this?) 'Backstreet Hero'
> Hi ev'rybody out there!
>
> Just a question to the experts!
>
> Today I got something like an acetate (spelling right?) by Tangerine
> Dream. This is an one-sided record with the track 'Backtreet Hero'
WOW ! Hi Rainer If this is an acetate copy then hang on to it for your
life my friend .
Acetate copys were made as a first trial print when producing Vinyl Albums /
singles etc .
Its basicly the thing all the other copys are taken from a little like a
Master disc .
I have several in my vast record collection unfortunatly non by TD :-)
Hope this helps .. Regards Carl ' Orch '
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Wed Sep 27, 2000 11:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD acetate (what is this?) 'Backstreet Hero'
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Carl Kearney wrote:
> Subject: [tadream] TD acetate (what is this?) 'Backstreet Hero'
> > Just a question to the experts!
> > Today I got something like an acetate (spelling right?) by Tangerine
> > Dream. This is an one-sided record with the track 'Backtreet Hero'
> WOW ! Hi Rainer If this is an acetate copy then hang on to it for your
> life my friend .
I'll do for shure :-) And yes: it is an acetate!
> Acetate copys were made as a first trial print when producing Vinyl Albums /
> singles etc .
> Its basicly the thing all the other copys are taken from a little like a
> Master disc .
> I have several in my vast record collection unfortunatly non by TD :-)
> Hope this helps .. Regards Carl ' Orch '
Ooooh YES - every information helps. I really didn't knew!
But: TD never released a 'Backstreet Hero' single! Not on CD, not on
vinyl. But I can be wrong :-|
Thanks a lot!
Rainer
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 1:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD acetate (what is this?) 'Backstreet Hero'
Rainer,
Why don't you play the acetate and hear what the real music is on it?
Maybe it's not TD at all. Anyway - I question these releases as possible
fakes...(from Germany too) Vic
> Ooooh YES - every information helps. I really didn't knew!
> But: TD never released a 'Backstreet Hero' single! Not on CD, not on
> vinyl. But I can be wrong :-|
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From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 3:52
am
Subject: New Bootlegs!
Hello Everyone!
I just ordered all these from England.
Has anyone else heard of these?
1.Crystal Planet
2.Desert Dream
3.Eclypse
4.Horizon
5.Solar Wind
6.Star Swarm
If anyone else has heard of these let me know.
Thanks!
Rick
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 7:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD acetate (what is this?) 'Backstreet Hero'
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Vic Rek wrote:
> Rainer,
> Why don't you play the acetate and hear what the real music is on it?
> Maybe it's not TD at all. Anyway - I question these releases as possible
> fakes...(from Germany too) Vic
HI!
It _is_ TD. I tested. It is _not_ a fake!
Rainer
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 7:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Bootlegs!
In message <99.aade8f9.27041a8e@a...>, rbrown4856@a... writes
>Hello Everyone!
>
> I just ordered all these from England.
>Has anyone else heard of these?
>1.Crystal Planet
>2.Desert Dream
>3.Eclypse
>4.Horizon
>5.Solar Wind
>6.Star Swarm
>
>If anyone else has heard of these let me know.
>Thanks!
>Rick
>
As I live in England, I'd be interested in knowing where you ordered
them from.
Thanks
--
Richard
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 11:15
am
Subject: Acetates & more
Hi all,
acetates are part of the normal quality control system when mass
producing vinyl records.
The material is softer than the production vinyl and allows to take a
quick test production sample from a pressing matrix, without starting
up the whole vinyl pressing machines.
This acetate is then listened to on a turntable to find any scratches or
other faults on the pressing matrix.
When everything is ok, the matrix is released for volume vinyl
production and the acetate ends up on the scrap heap - or with
dealers who buy that stuff off the pressing plants for little to
no money at all. Collectors seam to love to buy acetates.
Because of it's softness, the acetate is only good for a few
plays on a turntable before it shows audible wear and tear.
So much for the facts.
Now for some reasoning. Test your common sense! What is more likely:
a) in or after 1992, TD not only planned, mastered etc. a vinyl EP
release of 'Backstreet Hero', but they also found a label and
record company who took everything to the start of mass production.
Then the project was cancelled without anybody ever hearing of
it, and only a few acetates survived.
b) a rarity dealer has a good friend working night shifts in a vinyl
pressing plant. From time to time, when nobody watches, he
produces a few 'rarities' for his friend from tapes or CDs.
Here's a little extra help: one-song acetates from many artists
pop up regularly, even from TD. None of these releases was ever
on the market in vinyl, not even announced...
A similar story goes for 'Polish Postcard Singles'...
My best guess: Rainer really has an acetate EP with B.H. on it.
But it's not a leftover from a 'real' vinyl production, but
something made-to-order by/for a rarity dealer.
klaus
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 1:47
pm
Subject: Denoised version of 'Soundmill Navigator'
I remember that a while ago someone on this list said that he has made a
clean version of 'Soundmill Navigator' which hasn't this disturbing
mastering flaw. In case you, the person are reading this it would be
nice to contact me off-list for I'm very interested to hear the 'final
result' :-)
Heiko
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 2:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Denoised version of 'Soundmill Navigator'
In message <39D34BF4.B37184F6@h...>, Heiko Heerssen
writes
>I remember that a while ago someone on this list said that he has made a
>clean version of 'Soundmill Navigator' which hasn't this disturbing
>mastering flaw. In case you, the person are reading this it would be
>nice to contact me off-list for I'm very interested to hear the 'final
>result' :-)
>
I agree,it would be interesting
--
Richard Ford
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 4:46
pm
Subject: Legend DVD
Legend Special Edition DVD (retail $34.95) coming November 21st
---------------------------------------------------------------
A two-disc set including:
-The 86-minute version that played in the U.S., with score by Tangerine
Dream
-The 113-minute Director's Cut that played in the UK, with score by Jerry
Goldsmith.
The disc's other features include:
anamorphic 2.35:1 widescreen transfer (meaning it's letterboxed on your
regular TV, but a few years down the road when you buy a widescreen TV, it
will zoom it up and still look great cause extra resolution has been stored
on the disc)
'Creating a Myth: The Making of Legend' featurette
commentary by Ridley Scott (dubbed over top of the movie [you turn it on or
off], so there are always scene-specific comments)
three storyboard galleries: 'Lily and the Unicorns,' 'Jack's Challenge,' and
'Downfall of Darkness'
storyboard sequence with score of the long-lost 'The Fairy Dance' sequence
production notes
cast bios
trailer
screenplay accessible via DVD-ROM
---------------------------------------------------------------
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 5:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD
Something else that's coming to DVD this fall is the TV series Cosmos...notable
because it featured music by both TD and Edgar. Apparently, the DVDs will
feature a music-only track. Also, a new double CD version of the soundtrack is
being released...whether it'll feature TD music, I don't know. Both of these
items will be available through the website www.onecosmos.net...and it doesn't
seem to be online yet, so we'll have to wait for other details.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'shoults'
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 6:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD
cool!
'...billions and billions and billions and ...'
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Sean Montgomery'
...
> Something else that's coming to DVD this fall is the TV series
Cosmos...notable
> because it featured music by both TD and Edgar. Apparently, the DVDs
From:
'shoults'
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 6:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Bootlegs!
'Desert Dream' rings a bell, but none of the others.
-Joe
(very proud to announce a new baby daughter!
http://www.yourplacepc.com/jake/joie/ )
----- Original Message -----
From:
> Has anyone else heard of these?
> 1.Crystal Planet
> 2.Desert Dream
> 3.Eclypse
> 4.Horizon
> 5.Solar Wind
> 6.Star Swarm
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 8:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Bootlegs!
Congratulations Joe!!
----- Original Message -----
From: 'shoults'
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Bootlegs!
> 'Desert Dream' rings a bell, but none of the others.
>
> -Joe
> (very proud to announce a new baby daughter!
> http://www.yourplacepc.com/jake/joie/ )
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> > Has anyone else heard of these?
> > 1.Crystal Planet
> > 2.Desert Dream
> > 3.Eclypse
> > 4.Horizon
> > 5.Solar Wind
> > 6.Star Swarm
>
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 8:39
pm
Subject: Sv: [tadream] New Bootlegs!
Congrats on that one ! Sleepless nights ahead, or what ? :o)
Poul
> -Joe
> (very proud to announce a new baby daughter! ) <
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 1:25
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] Legend DVD
YES YES YES!!!!! at last.......
Jan
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> Sendt: 28. september 2000 18:47
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: [tadream] Legend DVD
>
>
> Legend Special Edition DVD (retail $34.95) coming November 21st
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A two-disc set including:
>
> -The 86-minute version that played in the U.S., with score by Tangerine
> Dream
>
> -The 113-minute Director's Cut that played in the UK, with score by Jerry
> Goldsmith.
>
> The disc's other features include:
>
> anamorphic 2.35:1 widescreen transfer (meaning it's letterboxed on your
> regular TV, but a few years down the road when you buy a
> widescreen TV, it
> will zoom it up and still look great cause extra resolution has
> been stored
> on the disc)
>
> 'Creating a Myth: The Making of Legend' featurette
>
> commentary by Ridley Scott (dubbed over top of the movie [you
> turn it on or
> off], so there are always scene-specific comments)
>
> three storyboard galleries: 'Lily and the Unicorns,' 'Jack's
> Challenge,' and
> 'Downfall of Darkness'
>
> storyboard sequence with score of the long-lost 'The Fairy Dance' sequence
>
> production notes
>
> cast bios
>
> trailer
>
> screenplay accessible via DVD-ROM
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Morgan
> _________________________________________________________________________
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 1:28
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] New Bootlegs!
May she live long and prosper......
Namaste
Jan
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: shoults [mailto:shoults@s...]
> Sendt: 28. september 2000 20:02
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: Re: [tadream] New Bootlegs!
>
>
> 'Desert Dream' rings a bell, but none of the others.
>
> -Joe
> (very proud to announce a new baby daughter!
> http://www.yourplacepc.com/jake/joie/ )
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> > Has anyone else heard of these?
> > 1.Crystal Planet
> > 2.Desert Dream
> > 3.Eclypse
> > 4.Horizon
> > 5.Solar Wind
> > 6.Star Swarm
>
>
>
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From:
'shoults'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 5:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Bootlegs!
thanks to all. yes, the sleeplessness has begun!
(but it's so worth it!)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Poul Erik'
> Congrats on that one ! Sleepless nights ahead, or what ? :o)
>
> Poul
> > -Joe
> > (very proud to announce a new baby daughter! ) <
>
>
From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 8:16
am
Subject: Re: New Bootlegs!
--- In tadream@egroups.com, rbrown4856@a... wrote:
> Hello Everyone!
>
> I just ordered all these from England.
> Has anyone else heard of these?
> 1.Crystal Planet
> 2.Desert Dream
> 3.Eclypse
> 4.Horizon
> 5.Solar Wind
> 6.Star Swarm
>
> If anyone else has heard of these let me know.
> Thanks!
> Rick
hi everyone
i ordered these so called bootlegs Yesterday and this is the reply i
got:-
Hi there.
These CDs would be a total of Ł70 + Ł4 post, but if you want
all of
them I'll do it for Ł65 - cheque payable to G.Moffitt. Please let
me
know soon if this is OK as I have a guy in Germany who has enquired
about 6 of them.
Bye for
now.
here is the reply heiko Heerssen got about the same cds:-
Hi there.
Well these items have excellent sound and packaging quality though the
surfaces of the CDs are blue. To the best of my knowledge, this means
that they are CDRs. Please let me know as soon as you can if you are
still interested.
Best wishes
Greg.
needless to say we told him NO!!
avoid at all costs!!!!!
Duncan
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 11:48
am
Subject: Ground Liftaz in Berlin (Oct. 28)
Hi Gang,
I'm curious to know which people on the Tadream lists plan to attend
this event. Maybe some of you guys know a nice pub or restaurant where
we can start our 'Tadream after party'....Alexander Square, Tiergarten,
or...Down the Avus? ;-)
Last year at the Mars Polaris concert Peter Ravn suggested a restaurant
near the concert hall and it was really nice to meet some of you Tadream
list members in person, so if someone has an idea it would be most
welcome because I've been to Berlin only once or twice and years ago.
At the Ground Liftaz gig I will wear my old Ramones t-shirt again (hey
ho let's go! ;-) ....apart from that I will be easy to recognize me,
I'm the one who sells the whole merchandise stand! hehehe.......
(I almost see the panic in Rainer's face when he reads this ;-)))
Heiko
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From:
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Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 11:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in Berlin (Oct. 28)
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> I'm the one who sells the whole merchandise stand! hehehe.......
err...I meant 'buys' of course!
Heiko
> (I almost see the panic in Rainer's face when he reads this ;-)))
Yup.
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 7:17
pm
Subject: Matt Howarth's E-Music Reviews
Hi,
Remember that guy who did a whole lot of comic-strip-style reviews
of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Nightcrawlers albums (on display at
http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/e-pix/e-pix.html )? Well, he's
doing reviews online, now. Here's what he told me:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
From: OneBugtown@a...
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:55:29 EDT
Subject: new reviews
To: ar402004@b...
How's going? Thought you might like to know, I'm doing weekly music review
columns ('Sonic Space') online for www.space.com now. The direct URLs for my
past columns are provided below for you to check out and enjoy.
Later,
Matt Howarth
SONIC SPACE
01 Tangerine Dream of Space (4.5.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_1_000405.html
02 Ozric Space (4.12.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_2_000412.html
03 Music in the Shadow of Telescopic Arrays: Radio Massacre International
(4.19.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_3_000419.html
04 Independent Space Music: Orbital Decay, Team Metlay, Ozma (4.26.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_4_000426.html
05 Robert Rich: Dream Master (5.3.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_5_000503.html
06 Hawkwind: Masters of Space Rock (5.10.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_hawkwind_000510.html
07 Hawkwind: Individual Luminaries of Space Rock (5.17.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_hawkwind_solo_000517.html
08 The Sounds of Quantum Music (5.25.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_quantum_music_000525.html
09 Steve Roach: Trance Master (5.31.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_steve_roach_000531.html
10 The Music of Quarkspace (6.7.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_quarkspace_000607.html
11 Steve Jolliffe: Sonic Adventurer (6.15.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_jolliffe_000615.html
12. Surprise Space Music (6.21.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_cuneiform_000621.html
13. Independent Space Rock (6.28.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_independents_000628.html
14. Blue Man Group (7.6.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_blue_man_000706.html
15. Spacecraft: Exploring the Aural Void (7.12.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_spacecraft_000712.html
16. Djam Karet: Dark Guitar Fusion ( 7.19.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_djam_karet_000719.html
17. The Intergalactic Sound of Magma (Unit 1) (7.26.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_magma_000726.html
18. The Intergalactic Sound of Magma (Unit 2) (8.2.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_magma_two_000802.html
19. The Cosmic Soundscapes of Saul Stokes (8.9.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_saul_stokes_000809.html
20. Phil Manzanera: Stellar Guitarist (8.16.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_phil_manzanera_000816.html
21. Prog Rock at Atmosphere's Edge (8.23.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_prog_000823.html
22. The Stratospheric Music of Airsculpture (8.30.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_airsculpture_000830.html
23. Eat Static: Rave Music from Space (9.6.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_eat_static_000906.html
24. The Planetarium Music of Geodesium (9.13.00)
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_geodesium_000913.html
25. Hawkwind: Live Space Rock (Part 1) (9.20.00
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_hawkwind_live_000920.html
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 9:16
pm
Subject: Greetings
Hi,
I used to be on this list about a year ago, I re-subscribed the other day, I
just thought I'd bob my head up and say 'Hi'.
The Tadream list looks to be quite fragmented I wonder if anyone could bring
me up to speed on recent events etc?
Cheers
Matt
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 9:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Matt Howarth's E-Music Reviews
>From: Steven Feldman
>
>Hi,
> Remember that guy who did a whole lot of comic-strip-style reviews
>of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Nightcrawlers albums (on display at
>http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/e-pix/e-pix.html )? Well, he's
>doing reviews online, now. Here's what he told me:
I read the Tangerine Dream synopsis. What a bunch of back-slapping. Not a
harsh or objective word was said.
-Morgan
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 9:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Greetings
>From: 'Matthew Stringer'
>
>Hi,
>I used to be on this list about a year ago, I re-subscribed the other day,
>I
>just thought I'd bob my head up and say 'Hi'.
>
>The Tadream list looks to be quite fragmented I wonder if anyone could
>bring
>me up to speed on recent events etc?
It is still a bit fragmented as the fans who like present-day Tangerine
Dream (post-1987) and those who don't. I find good music from all their
genres, although I find much less in the recent stuff that warrants a repeat
spin on my CD player.
In case you haven't been to the store lately, you wouldn't know, but Edgar
has stoked the fires of fan concern and anger by releasing a some vintage
material. This material largely existed only as worn cassette tapes produced
by the lucky ones who were able to sneak a recorder into those concerts long
ago.
We have been given:
- Sohoman, 1982
- Soundmill Navigator, 1976
- Antique Dreams
Why, you say, would these produce anger instead of utter delight and
jubilance? Well, starting with Sohoman, instead of producing an archival
release, Edgar has 'Hollywoodized' this disc.
Sohoman is essentially the second 1/4th or so of the Melbourne, Australia
1982 concert. Not content to let the magnificence of the original material
stand on its own, Edgar has dramatically altered the sound of the material,
reworking parts and removing others. The last 8 minutes of Sohoman only hint
at what was normally a 12 minute guitar and sequencing-fest. Edgar has
completely stripped away any trace of what was normally 4-5 minutes of great
guitar work (especially in their British concert series from the previous
fall). Then the track has been prematurely faded out into a fictional 2
minute ending that bears no resemblance to the original concert, followed by
some conjured up applause. Edgar even saw fit to heavily doctor material
that we ALREADY HAVE. This includes part of Logos.
Soundmill Navigator is far more blood pressure-inflating. No equalization or
cleanup of this material was done, so a bothersome tape flaw (*chht* *chht*
*chht* morphing into crunching and hissing noises) found in the original
material remains in the final release. This is not to mention the fact that
the first 10 minutes of SN are fictional, fading slowly into the vintage
material, but never giving us a raw window to the original music. There is
much 1990's synthsizer thrown on like so much table syrup.
By the way, the tape flaw *chht* sound was successfully removed by a few TD
fans here on the list who tried their hand at it. If Edgar & Jerome do not
possess professional noise reduction experience, why didn't they hire out or
have one of us rabid fans do it? We'd do it for free/cheap! *sigh*
Antique Dreams is the least shocking of the 3, as it provides, for once, a
few glimpses into the original untouched material. Ultima Thule part 1, a
long since out-of-print 1971 recording back when Edgar and Co. were still
leaving their Beatles-inspired stage makes a virtually unmolested appearance
here. It's still sounding great after all this time (a pity part 2, which is
more TD's sequencing style, didn't make it). Half of the Overture soundtrack
for a 1972 play appears here, although again, TD apparently have no
equalization and noise reduction experience, so a lot of tape hiss mars this
track.
Vermillion Sands (which is hinted at on disc 5 of Tangents) and two
sequences arrive virtually unscathed from their archive tapes of 1986 and
1981 respectively. The rest of Antique Dreams is anywhere from lightly to
heavily dusted with year 2000 equipment noodlings. And the post-1987 stuff
material showcases Edgar's lack of interest in the old material. (Antique
Dreams was originally announced as a 1971-1983 unreleased material CD; later
refocused into a 1971-1990 rarities CD)
On tap for the future are Dream Mixes 3, which has slipped to February 2001,
and Twilight Folder, which will have '1983-2000 rare and unreleased
material'. I'm not placing any bets.
Anyways, welcome back to the list!
Just my 2 cents, plus interest,
Morgan
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From:
'Carl Kearney'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 10:50
pm
Subject: Away .
Just to let you know Guys I am away on Vacation now for 7 days so hold that
thought before you post any off list mail to me .
Catch up soon Regards to all Carl ' Orch '
N:P Valentine Wheels
' The Song Remains the same '
From:
spawnofcthulhu@w...
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 11:14
pm
Subject: OT: Cosmos soundtrack
Does anyone know of any site online that lists all the music used in the
video series Cosmos? I am particularly interested in finding out the
name of the track/artist that plays at about 8 minutes into episode one,
right after Heaven & Hell by Vangelis.
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 11:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Greetings
It is still a bit fragmented as the fans who like present-day Tangerine
Dream (post-1987) and those who don't.
I must admit that I've little time for the new stuff, it seems that Ed had
lost his way, J's music is more interesting but is a far cry from the music
I want.
Well, starting with Sohoman, instead of producing an archival
release, Edgar has 'Hollywoodized' this disc.
Yeah, I bought this one and found little of interest, it seems strange as
when Tangents came out Ed said that remixing old music was a terrible idea!
Obviously changed his mind.
TD apparently have no equalization and noise reduction experience.
Strange as it's quite easy these days.
Vermillion Sands (which is hinted at on disc 5 of Tangents) and two
sequences arrive virtually unscathed from their archive tapes of 1986 and
1981 respectively. The rest of Antique Dreams is anywhere from lightly to
heavily dusted with year 2000 equipment noodlings. And the post-1987 stuff
material showcases Edgar's lack of interest in the old material. (Antique
Dreams was originally announced as a 1971-1983 unreleased material CD; later
refocused into a 1971-1990 rarities CD)
Hmm maybe worth a look then.
Anyways, welcome back to the list!
Cheers, I've been back a day and I'm already bummed out!
Do you guys still meet on IRC?
Matt
From:
'grafzeigen'
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 11:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Greetings
Try 'Seven Letters From Tibet'...the newest! It's more reminiscient
of the OLD TD, in my opinion. Sounds good and well produced.
However, it lacks the sequencing of old...I miss that. They might
consider giving up the new 'tech' and using some of the 'warmer'
instruments from the past. I think:-)
Welcome back!
Graf
'It's the stuff DREAMS are made of.'
Sam Spade - 'The Maltese Falcon'
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Stringer
To:
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Greetings
> It is still a bit fragmented as the fans who like present-day
Tangerine
> Dream (post-1987) and those who don't.
>
> I must admit that I've little time for the new stuff, it seems that
Ed had
> lost his way, J's music is more interesting but is a far cry from
the music
> I want.
>
> Well, starting with Sohoman, instead of producing an archival
> release, Edgar has 'Hollywoodized' this disc.
>
> Yeah, I bought this one and found little of interest, it seems
strange as
> when Tangents came out Ed said that remixing old music was a
terrible idea!
> Obviously changed his mind.
>
> TD apparently have no equalization and noise reduction experience.
> Strange as it's quite easy these days.
>
>
> Vermillion Sands (which is hinted at on disc 5 of Tangents) and two
> sequences arrive virtually unscathed from their archive tapes of
1986 and
> 1981 respectively. The rest of Antique Dreams is anywhere from
lightly to
> heavily dusted with year 2000 equipment noodlings. And the post-1987
stuff
> material showcases Edgar's lack of interest in the old material.
(Antique
> Dreams was originally announced as a 1971-1983 unreleased material
CD; later
> refocused into a 1971-1990 rarities CD)
>
> Hmm maybe worth a look then.
>
>
>
> Anyways, welcome back to the list!
>
>
> Cheers, I've been back a day and I'm already bummed out!
>
> Do you guys still meet on IRC?
>
>
> Matt
>
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 11:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Cosmos soundtrack
spawnofcthulhu@w... wrote:
> Does anyone know of any site online that lists all the music used in the
> video series Cosmos? I am particularly interested in finding out the
> name of the track/artist that plays at about 8 minutes into episode one,
> right after Heaven & Hell by Vangelis.
Here you go:
http://www.mfna.org/rmn_faq/cosmos.txt
This is where I found out that music by TD (one track - Rubycon) and Edgar
(several tracks) had been used in the show. But the webpage also points out
that this list is the music from the *original* broadcast, not the video
version. But it's a good starting point.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 10:26
pm
Subject: Re Backstreet Hero acetate: DON'T PLAY IT!
These suckers have a short life expectacy, so . . . DON'T PLAY IT!!
-- Steven Feldman
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 11:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Cosmos soundtrack
spawnofcthulhu@w... wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any site online that lists all the music used in the
> video series Cosmos? I am particularly interested in finding out the
> name of the track/artist that plays at about 8 minutes into episode one,
> right after Heaven & Hell by Vangelis.
Visit
http://www.cix.co.uk/~nleacy/rmn_faq/faq-14d.htm
According to that site, the answer to your question might be 'Creation
du Monde' from Vangelis album L'Apocalipse des Animaux.
BTW, someone mentioned here that there was also TD and Edgar Froese
music on that series. Which tracks were used? (The aforementioned site
only lists the Vangelis tracks).
Antonio Nunes
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Sep 30, 2000 12:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Cosmos soundtrack
Sean Montgomery wrote:
> http://www.mfna.org/rmn_faq/cosmos.txt
>
> This is where I found out that music by TD (one track - Rubycon) and Edgar
> (several tracks) had been used in the show.
Thanks Sean, you answered also to my question. I had no idea that so
many music by Edgar had been used in 'Cosmos'.
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
Date: Sat Sep 30, 2000 3:45
pm
Subject: Towards The Evening Star Promo 12' Insert - more comparison?
Hello
I noticed from Rainer Rutka's page at:
http://www.rutka.de/td/jpg/tow_promo_slice.jpg
which shows the promo insert of the Towards The Evening Star UK promo 12'.
I have a different version at my own homepages respectively at:
http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/ttespro1.jpg
http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/ttespro2.jpg
At scrutiny I find the text of the 1st scan a summary of Rainer's version.
Anybody has any other version?
Jeffrey
From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sun Oct 1, 2000 2:50
pm
Subject: Discussion Week 55 - Sunday 1st October 2000
This week is the turn of the live album 'Valentine Wheels'.
Please make your subject read 'D:Live [Valentine Wheels]' when posting
reviews and comments.
Regards,
Lawry
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From:
aoutland@a...
Date: Sun Oct 1, 2000 7:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Daughter
In a message dated 09/28/2000 2:06:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
shoults@s... writes:
<< (very proud to announce a new baby daughter! >>
Congratulations, Joe! and to your wife, of course, as well. Any idea what
her favorite TD song is yet? 8-) Dell
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From:
aoutland@a...
Date: Sun Oct 1, 2000 7:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Greetings
In a message dated 09/29/2000 5:20:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
qube@f... writes:
<< I used to be on this list about a year ago, I re-subscribed the other day
>>
Welcome back, Matt; hope you will re-join us at mirc as well! 8-) Dell
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 8:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re Backstreet Hero acetate: DON'T PLAY IT!
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Steven Feldman wrote:
> These suckers have a short life expectacy, so . . . DON'T PLAY IT!!
Yes. I just played it about 20 seconds to check it is TD!
Fortunately YES!
Rainer
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From:
'Duncan Mckee'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 7:41
am
Subject: The Man inside
hi everyone
i have just put a copy of the man inside on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=456246513
it is a 5 day auction
Duncan McKee
mckee17@m...
http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm
ICQ 41739379
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 7:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 646
<>
Very glad to hear it, Joe!!! Congratulations!!!
=====
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The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
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From:
'koulos'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 12:36
pm
Subject: questions
2 questions
is the ultima thule music in atnique dreams the same as the single or somehow
remastered?
and does all copies in the notes write ophocles instead of sophocles in the 2
page ?[refering to oedipus tyrannus ]
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 12:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] questions
koulos wrote:
> 2 questions
> is the ultima thule music in atnique dreams the same as the single or somehow
remastered?
it sounds like it is the 'real deal'...
> and does all copies in the notes write ophocles instead of sophocles in the 2
page ?[refering to oedipus tyrannus ]
in my copy it says 'ophocles'..I somehow start to believe that it is Edgar's
strategy to include errors ;-)
Heiko
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 12:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] questions
>From: 'koulos'
>
>2 questions
>is the ultima thule music in atnique dreams the same as the single or
>somehow remastered?
It's about 97% identical to the vinyl single. A little bit of extra strings,
which don't really affect things that much. Also, Antique Dreams only
includes part 1 of Ultima Thule.
>and does all copies in the notes write ophocles instead of sophocles in the
>2 page ?[refering to oedipus tyrannus ]
Be aware that the Oedipus Tyrannus Overture is edited to about half its
original length on AD, and a few relatively non-invasive sounds are layered
on top. Also, no sound remastering is done, so there is a great deal of tape
hiss on the Antique Dreams version.
-Morgan
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 1:10
pm
Subject: D:[Live] Valentine wheels
As with most of TD's recent live releases I think that 'Valentine
wheels' gives us only a glimpse of what was really played on this 1997
European tour (I asume that quite an amount of people on these lists
have seen a concert sometime somewhere?) To me it's not a highlight of
TD's latest releases and I listened to Valentine wheels only 3 or 4
times. The music is more like a 'best of 80's' medley. The individual
tracks are glued together by wabbling synth sounds (or shall I say
'bridges'..this sounds much better, doesn't it ;-) The strongest track
from this 1st set is IMO 'Silver scale' ,which was originally performed
live by the classic Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up in 1980 and 1981.
Other cuts are almost 100% identical to the studio version (Dolphin
dance, Stratosfear 95, Streethawk) which I find a bit boring. I know
these songs inside-out and was hoping to discover something new.. It all
sounds a bit dated! The best part of this 1997 concert tour however was
(IMO) the so-called 'Modern set', 70+ minutes of music which mas mainly
taken from 'Goblin's club'..and what about the brilliant 'Maedchen on
the stairs/Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' encore?
And talking about live concerts..don't you think we all need another TD
tour?!! ;-)
Heiko
P.S.: if some of you people have audience tapes from Vienna 09.04.97,
Bristol 29.10.97, Leeds 02.11.97, Birmingham 03.11.97 & Manchester
04.11.1997 please e-mail me :-)
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 3:32
pm
Subject: Those boots mentioned
Hi all,
Just some guesses as to content on these:
> > > 2.Desert Dream
>
probably a recording of the 1981 concert with the Munich Symphony of
the 'White Eagle' performance.
> > > 3.Eclypse
>
probably a copy of the Sonnenfensternis Solar Eclipse CD-ROM (video
of the 1999 solar eclipse in Germany with 'Comets Figure Head' used as the
soundtrack.)
> > > 4.Horizon
>
Poland concert audience recording???
No Guesses on the others.
James
From:
'Manuel Marino'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 5:06
pm
Subject: Please... read carefully...
Please... read carefully...
i know this is an off-topic... but i need your help:
************************
Here are the big NEWS!!!
i'm #31 in the EASY LISTENING TOP 40!!!!
this is the first time i reach the stars!!! so... i wanna thank you for your
help...
Now i ask you a little bonus help... to
let me stay in this great TOP 40...
can you feature me in some way? through your personal pages, through your
stations, through your daily plays and through your friends mailing lists...
and so on
i fear this is a one time appearing in the easy listening top 40... but if
you help me... maybe i can keep it and go up a little more...
*************************
_________________________________
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 5:25
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Please... read carefully...
> From: Manuel Marino [mailto:vanethian@t...]
>
> ************************
> Here are the big NEWS!!!
> i'm #31 in the EASY LISTENING TOP 40!!!!
Sorry for saying this but why in the f*cking
world do you want to be in the easy listening
top 40??????
And what does it mean...and what do you get?
I would be offended if I ended up in there...:-)
Marcel
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 5:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Please... read carefully...
No doubt that Silver Scale was the highlight of this CD for me, which I
found was pretty good overall. Frank Arellano
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Manuel Marino'
To:
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:06 AM
Subject: [tadream] Please... read carefully...
> Please... read carefully...
>
> i know this is an off-topic... but i need your help:
>
> ************************
> Here are the big NEWS!!!
> i'm #31 in the EASY LISTENING TOP 40!!!!
>
> this is the first time i reach the stars!!! so... i wanna thank you for
your
> help...
>
> Now i ask you a little bonus help... to
> let me stay in this great TOP 40...
> can you feature me in some way? through your personal pages, through your
> stations, through your daily plays and through your friends mailing
lists...
> and so on
>
> i fear this is a one time appearing in the easy listening top 40... but if
> you help me... maybe i can keep it and go up a little more...
> *************************
>
>
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From:
'Andrew Sharpe'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 6:52
pm
Subject: Re: Ricochet
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Andrew Sharpe'
wrote:
> Forgive me if this is an old topic, but I am new here. I am really
> asking this because I was surprised to see that Ricochet was
> voted as favourite album, even after all these years.
>
> At the beginning of the second side of Ricochet a stuttering
> handclap is heard before the music starts. Now, I believe that
> those were my handclaps. Its a fairly long story, but bear with
> me.
>
> A group of us went to the Coventry Cathedral concert in 1975.
We
> arrived very early and spent most of the afternoon in and
around
> the cathedral. During the afternoon whilst sitting in the
cathedral
> staring at the three banks of keyboards and synthesizers, out
> came Froese, Franke and Baumann and proceeded to reherse
> in front of us. Needless to say this impromptu concert was very
> welcome, and both we and they seemed to enjoy it. At the end I
> and, I think, one other of our party began to applaud, which
> quickly fizzled out when we became aware that nobody else
was
> joining in. This, I believe, is the source of the brief clapping at
> the beginning of the track on Ricochet.
>
> Now this raises some other observations. As we all know the
> basis of Ricochet was concert material somewhat reworked
> later in the studio. Does this mean that they were recording the
> session I have described for later use on the album? Not really
> concert material! Also does it show an interesting playfulness
on
> the part of TD to insert this applause on the album, as a kind of
> WOW, DAMNATION WITH FAINT PRAISE.
>
> Anyway, this may be of interest to some, or I may have been
> deluding myself all these years and someone may be able to
tell
> me the real origin of this applause.
>
> Sorry if this is a boring old subject, but thats me!
Doh! I just bought the Ricochet CD today (I only ever had the
cassette before), and my handclaps aren't there anymore! Call
my lawyers! Get hold of my MP! They can't do this to me! It's not
as if I even asked for any royalties for my masterstroke of
creativity.
Anyone who has only heard the CD version must have thought I
was off my rocker (as well as boring). Well ho hum, there goes
my only claim to fame!
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 7:17
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ricochet
> Doh! I just bought the Ricochet CD today (I only ever had the
> cassette before), and my handclaps aren't there anymore! Call
> my lawyers! Get hold of my MP! They can't do this to me! It's not
> as if I even asked for any royalties for my masterstroke of
> creativity.
>
> Anyone who has only heard the CD version must have thought I
> was off my rocker (as well as boring). Well ho hum, there goes
> my only claim to fame!
>
I checked all my Ricochet CDs and most of them have the 'one
hand clapping' at the beginning of the second track. This includes
5 different pressings of the 'CDV 2044' release, 2 different pressings
of the '2-90932' release, 2 different pressings of the '0777 7 86063 3 1'
release. The only 3 that do not have the seven or so 'solo claps' are
both SBM remasters - '7243 8 40064 26'
So just find someone who has an extra non-remastered release if
you want to hear yourself digitally..... :-)
Regards,
Joel
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 8:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ricochet
> From: Andrew Sharpe [mailto:mail@a...]
>
> Doh! I just bought the Ricochet CD today (I only ever had the
> cassette before), and my handclaps aren't there anymore! Call
> my lawyers! Get hold of my MP! They can't do this to me! It's not
> as if I even asked for any royalties for my masterstroke of
> creativity.
My copy's got the handclapping.
Must be a remastered version you have, don't know.
Marcel
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 9:05
pm
Subject: Infinite Horizons
Hi all,
I was surfing the net and found a listing for this album:
INFINITE HORIZONS:
Disc One
No. Title Artist Time
1. Metaphonic Chronicles Christopher Franke 7:42
2. Anakant Star Sounds Orchestra 10:16
3. Excerpt from Sinfonia Contempora Nr. III Hans-Joachim
Roedelius 8:21
4. The Lowell's Vision (live) Lightwave
4:55
5. Gumbo 94 Klaus Krüger 5:22
6. Syndrum 2E Klaus Krüger 1:43
7. Teutonisches Wüten (live) Keller/Schönwälder
10:25
8. 00/190-12 Conrad Schnitzler 3:42
9. One Idea Gives A Thousand Thoughts Propeller Island
11:02
Disc Two
1. The Vertical Rotating Horizon (live) Michael Hoenig 7:13
2. 00/110-6 Conrad Schnitzler 4:05
3. Sitarius Afi III Jörg Thomasius
7:36
4. Martian Cycles (live) Lightwave 7:27
5. Lamentation Of An Ancient Tree Johannes Schmoelling 8:08
6. She Ship Namlook/Gordon 11:21
7. 00/110-8 Conrad Schnitzler 3:44
8. 11 x 17 Klaus Krüger 3:12
9. Live At The Bell Jolliffe & Jolliffe
11:09
Notes:
This was a special two-CD release commemorating the 5th anniversary of
Beyond the Horizon
magazine. All tracks except 'She Ship' are previously unreleased. The set
was a limited edition of
1,000 copies only.
I downloaded a few samples, and it brought up some interesting questions.
First of all the Franke sample is awesome! I'm itching to hear the rest of
this one! If anyone has heard this, does he have any solo releases out with
music like that?
Second: Is Jolliffe & Jolliffe like Froese & Froese (father/son) or what?
Third: Is Klaus Krüger a different spelling of Klaus Krieger (who played
drums with TD on Force Majeure and Cyclone) or is this a different person?
Those 'Americanized' spellings can be confusing at times.
The Note says that all the tracks are previously unreleased. Are any of
these available in later releases?
I've never heard any of Schnitzler or Hoenig's solo stuff and there were no
samples of those tracks. Are they good tracks (and are they representative
of each artist's USUAL style?)
Thanks for any info anyone cares to provide.
James
(PS I'm on digest mode, so if anyone wants a more immediate conversation,
they should mail me directly.)
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From:
'Steve'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 10:04
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ricochet
Andrew said:
> Doh! I just bought the Ricochet CD today (I only ever had the
> cassette before), and my handclaps aren't there anymore! Call
> my lawyers! Get hold of my MP! They can't do this to me! It's not
> as if I even asked for any royalties for my masterstroke of
> creativity.
>
> Anyone who has only heard the CD version must have thought I
> was off my rocker (as well as boring). Well ho hum, there goes
> my only claim to fame!
I just checked my CD copy of Ricochet and you're there :)
I mistakenly listened to the lead in of the first track too and noted that
people are calling out 'more'. Okay we know it's not a 'real' live album,
that it was assembled from live recordings, but it just struck me as odd
that they'd use applause from afterwards before anything was supposed to
have happened... Or was this another joke?
Steve
http://www.beartrap.btinternet.co.uk/
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 10:13
pm
Subject: Infinity's Child
Hi All,
I just finished watching a preview trailer for 'Infinity's Child' the
computer animated feature with music by Paul Haslinger (sequel to 'Planetary
Traveller').
I must say I was impressed. The animation seems at least comparable to PT,
but the music seems to have taken on a little more of an edge (in the vein
of 'World Without Rules').
I didn't here as much orchestral sounds (though it's hard to say from a 3
minute clip) as in PT. I wonder if Franke offered any assistance on this
one as he did on PT?
James
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Mon Oct 2, 2000 8:44
pm
Subject: Public Service Announcement
For those of us with satellite or cable TV, this Saturday 7th October,
Bravo are having a 'Streethawk' day. Fire up those VCR's *8-)
Lawry
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From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 12:01
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Infinite Horizons
Hi James, and everyone else! Since I have this CD set, I'm coming out of lurk
mode for this one. oooooo! :-)
Hi all,
I was surfing the net and found a listing for this album:
INFINITE HORIZONS:
I downloaded a few samples, and it brought up some interesting questions.
First of all the Franke sample is awesome! I'm itching to hear the rest of
this one! If anyone has heard this, does he have any solo releases out with
music like that?
Yeah, this is an excellent piece! I'm one who stopped buying Franke's albums
with Enchanting Nature, since pretty much everything since has been either
soundtrack stuff, or new-agey sugary-type stuff. This tune was a shock to me!
The closest I can think of is that first section of Scattered Thoughts of a
Canyon Flight (or something like that) from Klemania (at least the first
version mix), but the intensity is turned up a couple of notches higher. It
sounds like Franke was listening to Haslinger's Future Primitive and decided to
do something kinda similar. He even uses some samples and drum loops found on
FP. My dad is a fan of Franke's more laid back stuff ala Enchanting Nature. I
put Metaphonic on, and I about scared him out of the room! :-)
Second: Is Jolliffe & Jolliffe like Froese & Froese (father/son) or what?
That's Steve with his brother John. Another good piece.
Third: Is Klaus Krüger a different spelling of Klaus Krieger (who played
drums with TD on Force Majeure and Cyclone) or is this a different person?
Those 'Americanized' spellings can be confusing at times.
That's one that has confused me for years. I swear that guy's name is spelled
differently on just about every album he plays on! But on his solo albums, it
is spelled 'Kruger' (with the amlaut over the 'u', I can't figure out how to
type that here...).
The Note says that all the tracks are previously unreleased. Are any of
these available in later releases?
Not that I've seen.
I've never heard any of Schnitzler or Hoenig's solo stuff and there were no
samples of those tracks. Are they good tracks (and are they representative
of each artist's USUAL style?)
There's that subjective word again! Personally, I can't stand the Schnitzler
tunes. They are really hard to listen to. But then again, I think he means to
make very challenging music, so I guess that means he did a good job! :-) I
really like Hoenig's track, it's one of my fav's on the set. I guess it's kinda
representative of what he does, just a few years newer than the albums I've
heard (Departure from the Northern Wasteland and Early Water, both of which you
should get if you like sequencer feasts from the mid to late 70's style!).
Thanks for any info anyone cares to provide.
You're welcome! I recommend Infinite Horizons to everyone on this list. The
styles are varied quite a bit (from industrial, to ambient, to melodic, to
Schnitzler :-),etc...), but all of them seem at home together on this set. And
all of the artists were either in TD, played with someone from TD, or runs a
record label that releases albums by people from TD. And I don't think any of
the music is available on any other CDs (except the Namlook track). I think
it's still available from Horizon Music, and I'm sure Groove carries it also.
Dave B. (in the middle of buying a house!)
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 12:25
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Infinity's Child
For some reason this product has generated very little discussion on this
list. And I wonder why there hasn't been a cd release of the soundtrack. Oh
well.
Since everyone is sharing their personal business on the list lately
(children/homes, etc), I'll do so to: My father has been comatose since
Friday...Keep him in your thoughts and prayers.
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:14 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Infinity's Child
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just finished watching a preview trailer for 'Infinity's Child' the
> computer animated feature with music by Paul Haslinger (sequel to
> 'Planetary
> Traveller').
>
> I must say I was impressed. The animation seems at least comparable to PT,
> but the music seems to have taken on a little more of an edge (in the vein
> of 'World Without Rules').
>
> I didn't here as much orchestral sounds (though it's hard to say from a 3
> minute clip) as in PT. I wonder if Franke offered any assistance on this
> one as he did on PT?
>
> James
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
>
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 12:32
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Infinite Horizons
Try contacting davkaufman@a... (BTH Business manager)on availability or
horizonmusic@j...
And if you look in the 'thank you notes', you will see many familiar names
(including mine)
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 4:05 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Infinite Horizons
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was surfing the net and found a listing for this album:
>
> INFINITE HORIZONS:
>
> Disc One
> No. Title Artist Time
> 1. Metaphonic Chronicles Christopher Franke 7:42
> 2. Anakant Star Sounds Orchestra 10:16
> 3. Excerpt from Sinfonia Contempora Nr. III Hans-Joachim
> Roedelius 8:21
> 4. The Lowell's Vision (live) Lightwave
> 4:55
> 5. Gumbo 94 Klaus Krüger 5:22
> 6. Syndrum 2E Klaus Krüger 1:43
> 7. Teutonisches Wüten (live) Keller/Schönwälder
> 10:25
> 8. 00/190-12 Conrad Schnitzler 3:42
> 9. One Idea Gives A Thousand Thoughts Propeller Island
> 11:02
>
> Disc Two
>
> 1. The Vertical Rotating Horizon (live) Michael Hoenig 7:13
> 2. 00/110-6 Conrad Schnitzler 4:05
> 3. Sitarius Afi III Jörg Thomasius
> 7:36
> 4. Martian Cycles (live) Lightwave 7:27
> 5. Lamentation Of An Ancient Tree Johannes Schmoelling 8:08
> 6. She Ship Namlook/Gordon 11:21
> 7. 00/110-8 Conrad Schnitzler 3:44
> 8. 11 x 17 Klaus Krüger 3:12
> 9. Live At The Bell Jolliffe & Jolliffe
> 11:09
>
> Notes:
> This was a special two-CD release commemorating the 5th anniversary of
> Beyond the Horizon
> magazine. All tracks except 'She Ship' are previously unreleased. The set
> was a limited edition of
> 1,000 copies only.
>
> I downloaded a few samples, and it brought up some interesting questions.
> First of all the Franke sample is awesome! I'm itching to hear
> the rest of
> this one! If anyone has heard this, does he have any solo
> releases out with
> music like that?
>
> Second: Is Jolliffe & Jolliffe like Froese & Froese (father/son) or what?
>
> Third: Is Klaus Krüger a different spelling of Klaus Krieger (who played
> drums with TD on Force Majeure and Cyclone) or is this a different person?
> Those 'Americanized' spellings can be confusing at times.
>
> The Note says that all the tracks are previously unreleased. Are any of
> these available in later releases?
>
> I've never heard any of Schnitzler or Hoenig's solo stuff and
> there were no
> samples of those tracks. Are they good tracks (and are they
> representative
> of each artist's USUAL style?)
>
> Thanks for any info anyone cares to provide.
>
> James
> (PS I'm on digest mode, so if anyone wants a more immediate conversation,
> they should mail me directly.)
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
>
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 12:38
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Infinite Horizons/Hoenig
> Third: Is Klaus Krüger a different spelling of Klaus Krieger (who played
> drums with TD on Force Majeure and Cyclone) or is this a different person?
> Those 'Americanized' spellings can be confusing at times.
This is the same guy...(I currently have one of his CDs up for auction at
EBAY)
>
> The Note says that all the tracks are previously unreleased. Are any of
> these available in later releases?
>
> I've never heard any of Schnitzler or Hoenig's solo stuff and
> there were no
> samples of those tracks.
I also have the CD XCEPT ONE (Hoenig) up for auction at EBAY...I will thow
in an LP of his DEPARTURE FROM THE NORTHERN WASTELAND for free (if you pay
the postage)to you, or the winning bidder.
>Are they good tracks (and are they
> representative
> of each artist's USUAL style?)
>
> Thanks for any info anyone cares to provide.
>
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
>
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 12:57
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] Infinity's Child
Maan!!!! I am truly sorry to hear this. I can't say anything that will make
this better, but my thoughts goes to your father and to you.
Jan
mailto:pergamon@g...
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...]
> Sendt: 3. oktober 2000 02:25
> Since everyone is sharing their personal business on the list lately
> (children/homes, etc), I'll do so to: My father has been comatose since
> Friday...Keep him in your thoughts and prayers.
>
> MJ
>
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 6:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Infinite Horizons
hi, james...
i have this double CD... and though i can't say if each of these pieces is
represntative of artist's style, i can say it is a kick butt CD... the michael
hoeing piece on CD2 is definitely my fave... great music all around... if you
get a chance to pick this up, do so...
j.gordon
--- 'Owens, James' wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was surfing the net and found a listing for this album:
>
> INFINITE HORIZONS:
>
> Disc One
> No. Title Artist Time
> 1. Metaphonic Chronicles Christopher Franke 7:42
> 2. Anakant Star Sounds Orchestra 10:16
> 3. Excerpt from Sinfonia Contempora Nr. III Hans-Joachim
> Roedelius 8:21
> 4. The Lowell's Vision (live) Lightwave
> 4:55
> 5. Gumbo 94 Klaus Krüger 5:22
> 6. Syndrum 2E Klaus Krüger 1:43
> 7. Teutonisches Wüten (live) Keller/Schönwälder
> 10:25
> 8. 00/190-12 Conrad Schnitzler 3:42
> 9. One Idea Gives A Thousand Thoughts Propeller Island
> 11:02
>
> Disc Two
>
> 1. The Vertical Rotating Horizon (live) Michael Hoenig 7:13
> 2. 00/110-6 Conrad Schnitzler 4:05
> 3. Sitarius Afi III Jörg Thomasius
> 7:36
> 4. Martian Cycles (live) Lightwave 7:27
> 5. Lamentation Of An Ancient Tree Johannes Schmoelling 8:08
> 6. She Ship Namlook/Gordon 11:21
> 7. 00/110-8 Conrad Schnitzler 3:44
> 8. 11 x 17 Klaus Krüger 3:12
> 9. Live At The Bell Jolliffe & Jolliffe
> 11:09
>
> Notes:
> This was a special two-CD release commemorating the 5th anniversary of
> Beyond the Horizon
> magazine. All tracks except 'She Ship' are previously unreleased. The set
> was a limited edition of
> 1,000 copies only.
>
> I downloaded a few samples, and it brought up some interesting questions.
> First of all the Franke sample is awesome! I'm itching to hear the rest of
> this one! If anyone has heard this, does he have any solo releases out with
> music like that?
>
> Second: Is Jolliffe & Jolliffe like Froese & Froese (father/son) or what?
>
> Third: Is Klaus Krüger a different spelling of Klaus Krieger (who played
> drums with TD on Force Majeure and Cyclone) or is this a different person?
> Those 'Americanized' spellings can be confusing at times.
>
> The Note says that all the tracks are previously unreleased. Are any of
> these available in later releases?
>
> I've never heard any of Schnitzler or Hoenig's solo stuff and there were no
> samples of those tracks. Are they good tracks (and are they representative
> of each artist's USUAL style?)
>
> Thanks for any info anyone cares to provide.
>
> James
> (PS I'm on digest mode, so if anyone wants a more immediate conversation,
> they should mail me directly.)
>
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Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 11:49
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Subject: Unsubscribing
Anyone knows what is wrong with the automatic unsubscribe
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Subject: RE: [tadream] Unsubscribing
On Tuesday, October 03, 2000 6:49 AM, Vincent Goudreault
[SMTP:Vincent.Goudreault@c...] wrote:
> Anyone knows what is wrong with the automatic unsubscribe
> system 'tadream-unsubscribe@o...'? We recently
> went trhough a change in our email system, and I successfully
> subscribed with my new email adress, but after one week and
> several attempts, I got nothing but bounced messages
> from my attempts to unsubscribe from the list under the
> old email address (vg067005@e...).
>
> Presently, I am getting digest twice, as the old address is
> kept alive for a little while, for the transition period.
>
> Can anyone shed some light on the problem?
>
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 3:19
pm
Subject: Klaus is buzzing around...
... the world. Business will take me a few places soon.
Any list members who'd like to join me for a chat and a beer
are most welcome !
Moscow, Oct 4-6, with some free time in the morning of Oct 6,
staying at Novotel Sh. 2
Phoenix, AZ, Oct 11-18, staying at the Marriot Courtyard
Aix en Provence, Oct 24-27
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 5:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
I just saw the cover to 'The Seven Letters Of Tibet' and I must concur that
this is a god awful ugly cover! It does nothing to attract new comers to
TD's music. In fact, it detracts people. Just plain ole' ugly ! GOD !
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:48 PM
Subject: [tadream] seven letters from tibet's cover image
>
> imho the seven letters from tibet has the most
> unispired and ugly TD cover i can think of at
> the moment.
> but wait a minute...
> here is:
> My Top 3 of ugliest TD cover images ever:
> 1.heartbreakers (silva screen CD)
> 2.the seven letters from tibet
> 3.white eagle
> so after all i've found a TD cover image which
> is even uglier then letters from tibet, but
> hearbreakers CD release had noone from
> the band involved i think
>
>
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From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 5:42
pm
Subject: Infinite Horizons[Klaus Kruger]
Just thought I would share this with you whilst in Berlin many moons
ago I bought a Klaus kruger LP on the ic label but to my dismay when
I returned home to England and played it the music on it was from a
Robert Schroder album Galaxy? I cant remember the rest of the title
of this space project lp which I had already got,needless to say it
would have been an expensive trip to return it to the shop.
I have always wondered to this day whether the lp would have been any
good and whether it is worth millions being a rareity.
Cheers Gary.
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From:
'Andrew Sharpe'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 7:00
pm
Subject: Re: Ricochet
> I just checked my CD copy of Ricochet and you're there :)
>
> I mistakenly listened to the lead in of the first track too and
noted that
> people are calling out 'more'. Okay we know it's not a 'real' live
album,
> that it was assembled from live recordings, but it just struck
me as odd
> that they'd use applause from afterwards before anything was
supposed to
> have happened... Or was this another joke?
>
> Steve
>
> http://www.beartrap.btinternet.co.uk/
Hi,
I think the calls for more are because a lot of the second track of
Ricochet is taken from the Coventry Cathedral concert in 1975,
particularly the encore. So what you hear is the clamour for more
at the end of the concert. Something which I am reliably informed
was not necessarily a foregone conclusion, as if there wasn't
sufficient applause TD didn't necessariyl perform an encore in
those days.
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 9:28
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Greetings
Sure where do you guys meet these days?
Matt
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From: aoutland@a... [mailto:aoutland@a...]
Sent: 01 October 2000 08:38
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Greetings
In a message dated 09/29/2000 5:20:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
qube@f... writes:
<< I used to be on this list about a year ago, I re-subscribed the other day
>>
Welcome back, Matt; hope you will re-join us at mirc as well! 8-) Dell
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Tue Oct 3, 2000 9:32
pm
Subject: 220V remaster
Has anyone bought the remaster of 220v?
The original sounded like a dodgy bootleg whereas the video was sweet, I was
wondering if the remaster was an improvement?
Matt
From:
odean@e...
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 1:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Infinity's Child
At 05:13 PM 10/2/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I just finished watching a preview trailer for 'Infinity's Child' the
>computer animated feature with music by Paul Haslinger (sequel to 'Planetary
>Traveller').
I have the DVD of both and personally, (although both are good) I like
Planetary Traveler better. The visuals of course are stunning.
Oscar
http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 12:27
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Infinite Horizons[Klaus Kruger]
What are the songs that are listed? Maybe they appaear on the COllection
CD....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:42 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Infinite Horizons[Klaus Kruger]
>
>
> Just thought I would share this with you whilst in Berlin many moons
> ago I bought a Klaus kruger LP on the ic label but to my dismay when
> I returned home to England and played it the music on it was from a
> Robert Schroder album Galaxy? I cant remember the rest of the title
> of this space project lp which I had already got,needless to say it
> would have been an expensive trip to return it to the shop.
> I have always wondered to this day whether the lp would have been any
> good and whether it is worth millions being a rareity.
> Cheers Gary.
>
>
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
>
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 6:43
am
Subject: Re: D:[Live] Valentine wheels
Hi,
I have very similar feelings about that. I went to the concerts
in Bonn and Glasgow. I found the first half really boring. Though
each track for itself is great, it was mindlessly glued together.
It didn't fit together. In contrast, the second half (though
also just a combination of many tracks) was consistent - had some
concept.
I don't find Silver Scale on Valentine Wheels very strong. It sounds
like the old recordings running and some mindless new synth sounds
played on top. Like I'd do this on my keys while running the CD5
of Tangents. Compared to the original (which I've also experienced
live in 1980 and 1981) it is a rape. Probably with the high
degree of sequencing they had nothing else to do...
cheers
armin (who's been quiet here for a while)
-- In tadream@egroups.com, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> As with most of TD's recent live releases I think that 'Valentine
> wheels' gives us only a glimpse of what was really played on this
1997
> European tour (I asume that quite an amount of people on these lists
> have seen a concert sometime somewhere?) To me it's not a highlight
of
> TD's latest releases and I listened to Valentine wheels only 3 or 4
> times. The music is more like a 'best of 80's' medley. The
individual
> tracks are glued together by wabbling synth sounds (or shall I say
> 'bridges'..this sounds much better, doesn't it ;-) The strongest
track
> from this 1st set is IMO 'Silver scale' ,which was originally
performed
> live by the classic Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up in 1980 and
1981.
> Other cuts are almost 100% identical to the studio version (Dolphin
> dance, Stratosfear 95, Streethawk) which I find a bit boring. I know
> these songs inside-out and was hoping to discover something new.. It
all
> sounds a bit dated! The best part of this 1997 concert tour however
was
> (IMO) the so-called 'Modern set', 70+ minutes of music which mas
mainly
> taken from 'Goblin's club'..and what about the brilliant 'Maedchen
on
> the stairs/Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' encore?
> And talking about live concerts..don't you think we all need another
TD
> tour?!! ;-)
>
> Heiko
>
> P.S.: if some of you people have audience tapes from Vienna
09.04.97,
> Bristol 29.10.97, Leeds 02.11.97, Birmingham 03.11.97 & Manchester
> 04.11.1997 please e-mail me :-)
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 6:49
am
Subject: Re: Ricochet
There is nothing but having the good ole LP. No errors with
missing Ricochet handclaps or Phaedra Kids on the wrong place
or terrible Encore sound quality, not to speak of mistypes on
covers or even wrong artist credits. Moreover, as the Virgin
Years records have the best covers ever, you'd have big scale
artwork and even gatefolds.
Get some 2nd hand Vinyl. Here in Dublin and Belfast I find them
everywhere - even the 70-80 Box set.
armin
> Doh! I just bought the Ricochet CD today (I only ever had the
> cassette before), and my handclaps aren't there anymore! Call
> my lawyers! Get hold of my MP! They can't do this to me! It's not
> as if I even asked for any royalties for my masterstroke of
> creativity.
>
> Anyone who has only heard the CD version must have thought I
> was off my rocker (as well as boring). Well ho hum, there goes
> my only claim to fame!
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 7:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ricochet
Armin Theissen wrote:
> There is nothing but having the good ole LP. No errors with
> missing Ricochet handclaps or Phaedra Kids on the wrong place
> or terrible Encore sound quality, not to speak of mistypes on
> covers or even wrong artist credits.
..and let's not forget those horrible 'Definite editon' CD's that came out 4
or 5 years ago. Those cd's were mastered at 'Chop 'em out'..a suitable name
for horrible remastered versions of 'Logos' and 'Tangram'!
> Moreover, as the Virgin Years records have the best covers ever, you'd
> have big scale
> artwork and even gatefolds.
yup, a dozen times better than having a 'faithfully restored artwork' on a
compact disc :-)
Heiko
From:
'con31pitlane'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 11:39
am
Subject: [tadream] Infinite Horizons[Klaus Kruger]
Subject: [tadream] Infinite Horizons[Klaus Kruger]
KLAUS KRUEGER - ZWISCHENMISCHUNG
produced and played by Klaus Kruger. Composed by Kruger-Hahn
Berlin 1982 Innovative Communication KS80018
Are you sure that you are not getting this mixed up with the above album
as I am only aware of this one release by Klaus Kruger on the IC label... ?
Q. I am not aware of the Infinite Horizons ...what date is this LP and No.
?
R
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 11:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ricochet
From: Heiko Heerssen
> ..and let's not forget those horrible 'Definite editon' CD's that came out 4
> or 5 years ago. Those cd's were mastered at 'Chop 'em out'..a suitable name
> for horrible remastered versions of 'Logos' and 'Tangram'!
Oh dear. My Virgin years collection is made up exclusively of the remastered
definitive editions.
What am I missing?
Maff
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 12:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ricochet
From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
> From: Heiko Heerssen
> > ..and let's not forget those horrible 'Definite editon' CD's that came
out 4
> > or 5 years ago. Those cd's were mastered at 'Chop 'em out'..a suitable
name
> > for horrible remastered versions of 'Logos' and 'Tangram'!
> Oh dear. My Virgin years collection is made up exclusively of the
remastered
> definitive editions.
> What am I missing?
Nothing, in my opinion. The remasters do actually sound better than the
original CDs (especially on Tangram).
- jim
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 12:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ricochet
>From: 'Jim Moore'
>
>From: 'Matthew Sawyer'
> > From: Heiko Heerssen
> > > ..and let's not forget those horrible 'Definite editon' CD's that came
>out 4
> > > or 5 years ago. Those cd's were mastered at 'Chop 'em out'..a suitable
>name
> > > for horrible remastered versions of 'Logos' and 'Tangram'!
> > Oh dear. My Virgin years collection is made up exclusively of the
>remastered
> > definitive editions.
> > What am I missing?
Is there a distinction between Virgin SBM releases (which did have better
sound quality [and several typos] and were extensively discussed on the
list) and 'definitive edition' releases?
-Morgan
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 1:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ricochet
Jim Moore wrote:
> Nothing, in my opinion. The remasters do actually sound better than the
> original CDs (especially on Tangram).
>
> - jim
Hrgh?
My 'definite edition' of Tangram has channel drop-outs at the beginning and
misses a lot of treble compared to the CDV that version appeared in the
mid-80's. The same with 'Logos'.. But of course this is more or less
subjective and my humble opinion ;-)
Heiko 'The Ear' Heerssen
From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 3:56
pm
Subject: RE: Unsubscribing
When my company changed names I went to my
Profile in egroups and changed my email address.
This made the change for all egroups mail lists
that I belonged to.
Steve
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:02:52 -0500
From: Joel Mullen
Subject: RE: Unsubscribing
On Tuesday, October 03, 2000 6:49 AM, Vincent Goudreault
[SMTP:Vincent.Goudreault@c...] wrote:
> Anyone knows what is wrong with the automatic unsubscribe
> system 'tadream-unsubscribe@o...'? We recently
> went trhough a change in our email system, and I successfully
> subscribed with my new email adress, but after one week and
> several attempts, I got nothing but bounced messages
> from my attempts to unsubscribe from the list under the
> old email address (vg067005@e...).
>
> Presently, I am getting digest twice, as the old address is
> kept alive for a little while, for the transition period.
>
> Can anyone shed some light on the problem?
>
Automatic 'unsubscribe' only works when sending the message from
the e-mail address that you wish to unsubscibe from. Yes, you still
receive e-mail thru your old e-mail address, but all your new messages
are most likely sent out under your new e-mail address. You can go
directly to the e-groups site and un-sub by signing in with your old e-mail
address and then unsubbing. However as I am a lurking tadream moderator
I went in and did it for you. Today should be the last day you get the
double digest (if you even get one today)
Let me know if you have more questions.
Regards,
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From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 4:18
pm
Subject: Favourite albums? (was RE: [tadream] Attention: Carl Kearney and Sean Montgomery)
Ugh...time for a most tardy reply to this message...
>===== Original Message From 'Frank Arellano' =====
>BTW, Gabe, you said Melrose was your favorite TD CD, which are your other
>favorite ones?
I'd have to rank Tangram, Phaedra, Dream Mixes, and Le Parc as the other top 5
favourites, I suppose. Exit would probably rank up there too, if I ever
listened to more than just side 2.
Gabe
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From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 5:39
pm
Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons[Klaus Kruger]
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'con31pitlane' wrote:
> Subject: [tadream] Infinite Horizons[Klaus Kruger]
>
> KLAUS KRUEGER - ZWISCHENMISCHUNG
> produced and played by Klaus Kruger. Composed by Kruger-Hahn
> Berlin 1982 Innovative Communication KS80018
>
> Are you sure that you are not getting this mixed up with the above
album
> as I am only aware of this one release by Klaus Kruger on the IC
label... ?
>
> Q. I am not aware of the Infinite Horizons ...what date is this LP
and No.
> ? Hi Con and Micheal sorry for the confusion Infinite Horizons was
from previuos posts that mentioned Klaus Kruger.
> Yes ZWISCHENMISCHUNG was the title unfortunately it is packed away
in the loft so I do not know the track titles.
Cheers Gary.
> R
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 8:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Public Service Announcement
On Monday, October 02, 2000 3:45 PM, Lawry Simm [SMTP:lawry.simm@f...]
wrote:
> For those of us with satellite or cable TV, this Saturday 7th October,
> Bravo are having a 'Streethawk' day. Fire up those VCR's *8-)
>
> Lawry
>
Not my Bravo.... :-(
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Oct 5, 2000 1:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Cosmos soundtrack
I urged the website selling the the new 2 CD Cosmos soundtrack to post a
tracklisting, and they've done just that. Alas, no TD or Edgar....but that's
not surprising, given that what they've done is to provide full length versions
of the songs that had been just excepted on the previous version of the
soundtrack. The full length version of Rubycon would have eaten up a lot of
space! Anyway, there is a Pink Floyd track (One of These Days) if anyone's
interested.
http://www.projectvoyager.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/cd_pro\
ddesc.html?L+scstore+qvsm6251ff0be10b+971450338
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Thu Oct 5, 2000 9:14
am
Subject: [tadream] Pathfinder Art
hello, all!
i was wondering if someone out there has the art for Pathfinder...
if so, could you please contact me off-list at ssaalyersjj@y...
thanks!
j.gordon
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Date: Thu Oct 5, 2000 5:14
pm
Subject: Re: Unsubscribing
tadream@egroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:56:59 -0700
> From: 'Whiteley, Steve'
> Subject: RE: Unsubscribing
>
> When my company changed names I went to my
> Profile in egroups and changed my email address.
> This made the change for all egroups mail lists
> that I belonged to.
Except that our system here is airtight, the firewall
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From:
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Date: Thu Oct 5, 2000 7:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ricochet
<>
What about the Relativity releases? How does the 2CD version of Zeit
sound compared to the single CD versions?
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From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2000 7:40
am
Subject: Re: Ricochet
Relativity did a good job (IMHO). I cannot compare with other
CD releases (don't have any other), however, compared to the
Double LP, Zeit hisses a bit more on Relativity, and is slightly
cut to CD length.
(and again, bigger scale artwork and gatefold artwork speaks
for the 2LP)
armin
--- In tadream@egroups.com, spawnofcthulhu@w... wrote:
> <
> ...and let's not forget those horrible 'Definite editon' CD's that
came
> out 4 or 5 years ago. Those cd's were mastered at 'Chop 'em out'..a
> suitable name for horrible remastered versions of 'Logos' and
> 'Tangram'!>>
>
> What about the Relativity releases? How does the 2CD version of Zeit
> sound compared to the single CD versions?
From:
'Alexander Grushetsky'
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 6:43
pm
Subject: Questions...
At first I should say that I like today's Tangerine Dream. Mars Polaris,
Goblin's Club and Melrose I like more than Hyperborea or Cyclone. I am TD fan
only one year (my first album was Mars Polaris) and have heard about 30 of
their albums (it is not easy to find TD albums in Ukraine). Now my favourite is
Force Majeure, but everything can change.
Yesterday I bought The Seven Letters From Tibet. I've listened to it only two
times and I can not say that I don't like it (I like The Green Land, for
example), but it is some boring and I am not fan of Epsilon In Malayzian Pale.
I have some diffrent questions:
- What does Lhasa do on The Blue Pearl track.
- Somebody said that The Seven Letters From Tibet is Edgar's stuff and Mars
Polaris is Jerome's stuff. Can anybody tell me exactly what Jerome and what
Edgar have done last ten years. Of course, they make albums together but main
ideas belong to one of them.
- Why Edgar don't play guitar now.
- And final stupid question is where exactly is the malfunction of the
equipment on Force Majeure.
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2000 1:51
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Questions...
> I have some diffrent questions:
>
> - What does Lhasa do on The Blue Pearl track.
This was announced as being an extract from the 'Tibetan cycle', on the
re-release version of Quinoa, now re-named 'The Seven Letters from Tibet'
(they change the names at the last minute quite a lot these days, 'Tang-go,
the Best of TD' was originally intended to be called 'Tang-go, The World of
TD' for example)
> - Somebody said that The Seven Letters From Tibet is Edgar's stuff and
> Mars Polaris is Jerome's stuff. Can anybody tell me exactly what Jerome and
> what Edgar have done last ten years. Of course, they make albums together
> but main ideas belong to one of them.
They are somewhere between a group and a production team...although I'd say
that the only album that came out in the 90's that Jerome had little to do
with was the 'Zoning' film soundtrack, but even then there is some mystery
surrounding the origin of this music, because it doesn't resemble the
original soundtrack used in the 1987 movie
> - Why Edgar don't play guitar now.
Arthritis!! These days can't play as dexterously as he used to.
> - And final stupid question is where exactly is the malfunction of the
> equipment on Force Majeure.
During 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks', one of the instruments' tuning went out of
control towards the end of the track and the band decided to leave it as it
was, hence the reason why they've never been able to reproduce this sound
ever since either in a live concert or in the studio.
Hope this helps
Paul
From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2000 6:03
pm
Subject: Re: Public Service Announcement
>> For those of us with satellite or cable TV, this Saturday 7th
October,
>> Bravo are having a 'Streethawk' day. Fire up those VCR's *8-)
>>
>> Lawry
>>
> Not my Bravo.... :-(
Oops, I should have mentioned 'In the UK'
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2000 8:30
pm
Subject: Jerome's Contribution to TD
I thought a good new thread would be what people thought about Jerome's
contribution to TD. First, let's find out and decide or atleast speculate
what Jerome has actually contributed. It was alluded to earlier that it was
predominately Jerome's ideas behind Mars Polaris, which I would actually be
somewhat surprised if that were true. I just wanted to start things off with
a few loose and unconnected ideas and would appreciate some comments.
1. I believe that Jerome is due some respect, because with over ten years
experience under his belt he has actually established himself as a
*bonafide* accomplished musician/ artist/ composer/ sound engineer. Some of
his stuff is down right good too, ie 'Oasis' and 'Dream Mixes'. His daddy
don't have to carry him no more.
2. If I were to critique his influence it would be that I personally don't
care for some of the techno beats found on a few tracks/CD's. I believe
some of them would probably be found on the TimeSquare CD, although I do
love 'Culpa Levis' on that CD.
3. On the Mars Polaris CD, as much as I like it, there's some parts where
the drum beat sounds too mechanical or artificial sounding. While on the
subject of Mars Polaris, I think 'Comet's Figure Head' and Astrophobia are
great pieces of work! Wonderful gems that keep me coming back. Edgar's still
the man in my humble opinion :-)
NP Sea Of Dreams 76'-77'
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2000 8:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Jerome's Contribution to TD
I thought a good new thread would be what people thought about Jerome's
contribution to TD.
1. I think that Jerome is carrying TD at the mo, his tracks are much better
than ED's which seem to be a bit pointless these days.
2. I don't think Jerome really cares for the music of old and would rather
do his own thing but feels that he would have more success if his music went
out under the TD name.
2. MP was a dirge but from the Jerome solo album Rockoon he has progressed
much with the highlights from 220v, Goblins Club, Zoning & Oasis clearly
coming from JF's computer rather than Ed's.
Matt
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2000 10:28
pm
Subject: [Fwd: More SMD reviews and Sound]
Check out the review of the Okefenokee CD. Amazing. Vic
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From:
'Nick Adams'
Date: Sat Oct 7, 2000 12:55
pm
Subject: Santana Documentry
For all the Carlos Santana lovers in the UK, there is a documentry about his
life and career on the south bank show 10:45 sunday night (the 8th
oct),..... reading the write up, it says he pays tributes to Jimi Hendrix,
and The Greatful Dead, amongst others, it also boasts to have exclusive
footage of some of his performances,....... sounds great to me !
Nick
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sat Oct 7, 2000 3:31
pm
Subject: [tadream] TD lyrics
Hi all,
The next project on my ever-expanding discography pages is to transcribe all
the spoken and sung lyrics that have appeared on various singles, albums and
soundtracks.
If anyone would like to volunteer to help me transcribe the following
('Gloria' might require a bit of surfing), I would be very grateful:
Rumpelstiltskin (story told by Kathleen Turner)
Dreamtime (vocal version)
I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You
Brother or Stranger (from 'Nightmare City/City of Shadows')
No Man's Land Sound Sampling
Rockoon Interview
Jim & Pablo (translation from German required)
Risky Business Audio Movie Kit (CF interview)
Gloria (from 'The Keep')
Also, there are quite a lot of lyrics listed on Klaus Beschorner's pages,
but I have listened to some of the tracks carefully, and there are some
errors in the transcription.
Get your copies of 'Shy People' and 'EO' out to check the following:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/shylyrics.html
Thanks in advance,
Paul
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sat Oct 7, 2000 10:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert
Marcel,
Could I get a copy of this vid?
> I've never heard of this...
> At least not a version where you hear the real
> music that has been played.
> On my copy it has track 1 and a large piece of track 2
> of Ricochet.
>
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sat Oct 7, 2000 10:49
pm
Subject: Legend (sort of)
Can anyone help?
I think it was a mid to late eighties gig I went too and they played an
instrumental version of the track from Legend that John Abderson sings.
Loved by the sun is it? Anyhow, at the gig, this song ran into another song.
It was only short but really superb. On the album it is there but fades out
after a few seconds, as if it is part of the original track but dream
decided to cut it out. Anyone know the bit I mean and if there is a studio
version available anywhere? I could always make a short WAV of a section
form my tape if it would help.
Phil.
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From:
'Eric Rochon'
Date: Fri Oct 8, 1999 1:51
pm
Subject: 25th anniversary of Beyond the Horizon....
Hi
Where could I pick up the CD from the Beyond the Horizon 25th
anniversary??
Eric
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From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 2:36
pm
Subject: TD Press Kits Wanted
Hello all
I am looking for some TD press kits with bio and photo(s), especially the
following:
Any from the Virgin era
Sorcerer (MCA)
Poland
Livemiles
Rockoon
The Dream Roots Collection
Oasis (Miramar)
What A Blast (Miramar)
Please contact me off-list for a possible trade...thank you.
Jeffrey
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 2:59
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] 25th anniversary of Beyond the Horizon....
https://www.hmnetwork.com/orderform/orderform.html It is called INFINITE
HORIZONS.
THere are some other thiongs for sale as well...
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Rochon [mailto:rochon@i...]
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:52 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] 25th anniversary of Beyond the Horizon....
>
>
> Hi
>
> Where could I pick up the CD from the Beyond the Horizon 25th
> anniversary??
>
> Eric
>
>
>
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 5:38
pm
Subject: Lightwave's New Album
Does anyone know if Paul Haslinger contributes anything to the new Lightwave
album 'Cantus Umbrarum' ?
I couldn't see his name anywhere in the credits...
- jim
'I don't think I've seen choreography that stiff since the Lee
Harvey Oswald prison transfer...' -- Dennis Miller
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 7:48
pm
Subject: Discussion Week 56 - Sunday 8th October 2000
Next up for discussion is the album Sohoman. Please make your subject
read 'D:Live [Sohoman]' when posting comments, reviews and whatever.
Regards,
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From:
Alan Mitchell
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 10:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 220V Remaster Mix
I'm curious too. Of all the recent TD CDs, '220v Live' and 'Turn of the
Tides' (U.S. Miramar versions) always sounded like they were mixed
completely differently than all the others. The sound is
barrely-bassy at the bottom and thin on top, almost as if someone were
trying to do a specialized dance/club mix. Am I the only one who ever
noticed? And do the TDI remixes do away with that less than
pleasing mix?
tadream@egroups.com wrote:
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:32:31 +0100
> From: 'Matthew Stringer'
> Subject: 220V remaster
>
> Has anyone bought the remaster of 220v?
> The original sounded like a dodgy bootleg whereas the video was sweet, I was
> wondering if the remaster was an improvement?
> Matt
>
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 10:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 220V Remaster Mix
>From: Alan Mitchell
>
>I'm curious too. Of all the recent TD CDs, '220v Live' and 'Turn of the
>Tides' (U.S. Miramar versions) always sounded like they were mixed
>completely differently than all the others. The sound is
>barrely-bassy at the bottom and thin on top, almost as if someone were
>trying to do a specialized dance/club mix. Am I the only one who ever
>noticed? And do the TDI remixes do away with that less than
>pleasing mix?
Considering TDI's remastering lately, I'm not surprised.
-Morgan
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From:
'Gustavo Jobim'
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 10:30
pm
Subject: Question
What if Schulze hadn't left T.Dream? What would TD sound like?!
:)
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 11:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Question
We'd probably still have those twenty minute plus sequences still. Now
that's a pleasant thought :-) Jammin' to 'Monolight' [on repeat from the
7:40 mark to the 16:45 mark] and the mighty mellotron. Awesome! They sound
like horns .
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:30 PM
Subject: [tadream] Question
>
> What if Schulze hadn't left T.Dream? What would TD sound like?!
> :)
>
>
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 11:28
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Question
> What if Schulze hadn't left T.Dream? What would TD sound like?!
> :)
Probably like they did in 1972...
- jim
From:
'Stephen'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 12:44
am
Subject: Song Album,
Hi,
Anybody knows from which album these songs came from ?
Edgar Froese:
- Per Kozem
- Schlangenbad
- Blauer Painther
- Where
- Upland
Thnks
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 1:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Lightwave's New Album
As I recall, I think this was the first one he did not have any
contribution to in terms of playing synths. Vic
Jim Moore wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if Paul Haslinger contributes anything to the new Lightwave
> album 'Cantus Umbrarum' ?
> I couldn't see his name anywhere in the credits...
>
> - jim
>
> 'I don't think I've seen choreography that stiff since the Lee
> Harvey Oswald prison transfer...' -- Dennis Miller
> Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Email: moxica@m...
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 2:27
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Song Album,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen [mailto:christ@b...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:44 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Song Album,
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Anybody knows from which album these songs came from ?
>
> Edgar Froese:
> - Per Kozem
Probably DER KONZERN (Tower Block) from Kamikaze 1989
> - Schlangenbad
(Snake Bath) from Kamikaze 1989
> - Blauer Painther
(Blue Panther) from Kamikaze 1989
>
> - Where
I don't know
> - Upland
Aqua or Eplison
>
>
> Thnks
>
>
>
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 6:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Fwd: More SMD reviews and Sound]
could you post the link?
thanks
j.gordon
--- Vic Rek wrote:
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 6:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome's Contribution to TD
for myself, i have the feeling that much of the studio work that has been
created by TD since the advent of Jerome uses percussive rhythm as it's
structural framework, as opposed to say, sequencing...
no stones to be thrown here, only personal opinion: that the musical end of TD
has suffered because of it...
too often, the _beat_ fills up too much of the song, being one of the main
_tracks_... astrophobia, mentioned in the starting mail, is a prime example...
good tune, no doubt... just too heavy on the _beat_
my OWN feeling is, with emusic, (as opposed to techno), percussion/drums should
underscore a piece, give it depth and flush out the structure, but not much
more... for example, poland or livemiles...
that said, i do like most of what has been produced in the last decade... it's
just that i can't spin the CDs very often without getting tired of the
_beat_...
j.gordon
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 6:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Fwd: More SMD reviews and Sound]
here you go J.
www.synthmusicdirect.com
--
On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:05:36 j.gordon wrote:
>could you post the link?
>
>thanks
>
>j.gordon
>
>--- Vic Rek wrote:
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>>
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From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 7:50
am
Subject: New box
Great news?
A 6 CD box will be released in November. At least four of the discs will
consist of material from 70-90 if I'm not mistaken. One cd will consist of a
previously unreleased live performance and another one will have unreleased
material as well.
Just one plea to TDI; give the old fans a chance to buy a budget version
this time. Disc 5-6 neatly packaged for the Oldies, ok?
Olle
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 7:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Fwd: More SMD reviews and Sound]
thanks, tom...
j.g
--- tom george wrote:
> here you go J.
>
> www.synthmusicdirect.com
> --
>
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:05:36 j.gordon wrote:
> >could you post the link?
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >j.gordon
> >
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 8:16
am
Subject: [tadream] Complete TD concert listing
Hi all,
I had the idea to put a complete listing of all the concerts that TD have
ever performed on my web pages, and I have just obtained permission from the
editor's of 'Voices in the Dunes' to reproduce a corrected version of the
concert list in this book, as well as to bring it up to date to the present
day.
I know that such a list would be of interest to a lot of you, so if there is
anyone out there who knows of any errors in the 'Voices in the Dunes' book,
or indeed has any reliable sources of any tour schedules between 1991-2000
please contact me and your contributions will be credited on the pages.
Cheers
Paul
From:
AirWave
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 4:38
pm
Subject: TD doing the Shulze thing ?
Hi guys.
Here's some news.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Here are the latest release dates from Tangerine Dream:
Dream Mixes 3 (February 2001)
Twilight Folder (2001)
Star Trooper (late 2001)
And there's more news from Tangerine Dream:
In November a 6-CD box plus 60-page photo booklet will be released.
The CD´s include a representative retrospective of TD´s four creative
periods from 1970- 1990 (Pink years, Virgin years, Blue years, Melrose
years) plus unreleased live versions and studio material. CD #6 contains
a complete unreleased live set from Perth and CD #5 will also contain
unreleased material.
Price is unknown at this moment but TDI told us that it will be nicely
priced.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
What is this ? Are TD doing the Schulze thing now ?
Are they envious of Klaus for his success with all his
Box sets ? Or are they just riding the purple wave of
Box releases from all EM artists now ?
Hummf !! Not that I mind a box from TD, but it sounds like
most of it is previously released, and I wonder about the
ever present threat of Tangentizing ?
Edgar ! PLEAAAASE don't touch the old recordings !!!!! !'#¤'%#¤'/ !!
Price is unknown and will be nicely priced ? YEAH RIGHT !
Nicely priced for TDI !!!
Well with all respect I'll hold my grumpy grouchings until it has
been released. It's not fair to attack some which hasn't been released.
As for the other 2001 releases....NAAH forget them !!
AirWave.
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Sean Montgomery
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 6:22
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Question
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> What if Schulze hadn't left T.Dream? What would TD sound like?
Any answer could be equally vaid, since it's impossible to know. This is
like asking how the world would be different now if Kennedy hadn't been
shot, or if Hitler had been. Anyway, if Schulze hadn't left after
Electronic Meditation, he certainly would have fled the band with Cyclone.
Edgar and Klaus were on different musical trajectories, and the band would
not have survived with their clash of egos. Klaus obviously prefers working
solo, and Edgar rules over TD with an iron fist. ;-)
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From:
Jared White
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 6:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD doing the Shulze thing ?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AirWave [mailto:airwave@1...]
> As for the other 2001 releases....NAAH forget them !!
Hmm, that's funny -- I'm much more interested in TD's new releases than more
Virgin years cast-offs. There's probably a reason that stuff's still
'unreleased'....
This *is* a list for TD fans, isn't it? And TD *is* still making music, aren't
they? Am I still in the right place???
Jared
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 6:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD doing the Shulze thing ?
AirWave wrote:
> In November a 6-CD box plus 60-page photo booklet will be released.
Where is this news being reported? The TDI website says nothing, and it's
not listed as a future release on Amazon or CD Now....which is odd, if it's
to be released next month.
--
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 6:56
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD doing the Shulze thing ?
>From: Jared White
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AirWave [mailto:airwave@1...]
>
>
> > As for the other 2001 releases....NAAH forget them !!
>
>Hmm, that's funny -- I'm much more interested in TD's new releases than
>more Virgin years cast-offs. There's probably a reason that stuff's still
>'unreleased'....
>
>This *is* a list for TD fans, isn't it? And TD *is* still making music,
>aren't they? Am I still in the right place???
Jared, there are about 100 hours of TD that is as good as, or better than,
what was officially released.
If concert tapes feel morally wrong to you, then I'm sorry that you are in
the dark about such things. I've seen the light, and it is a beauty!
-Morgan
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From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 6:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD doing the Shulze thing ?
There is some info about the box set on the GROOVE website.
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 7:07
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD doing the Shulze thing ?
> From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...]
>
> Hmm, that's funny -- I'm much more interested in TD's new
> releases than more Virgin years cast-offs. There's probably a
> reason that stuff's still 'unreleased'....
Me too...and it's probably got something to do with
Tangentizing the old material. Don't ask yourself if
Edgar will do it or not...ask how much he will tangentize
the material.
Marcel
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 8:20
pm
Subject: NEW CDRS!
Hi Everybody!
Just received the following 6 cdrs from England and I am VERY PLEASED
with all of them!
1.Crystal Planet-Live in Brussels 9/2/76
2.Desert Dreams-Live in Australia 1/3/82
3.Eclypse-Berlin Studio Tape 1982
4.Horizon-Live in London 2/4/75
5.Solar Wind-Live in England 8/11/76
6.Star Swarm-Reims Cathedral
Rick
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From:
Jared White
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 10:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD doing the Shulze thing ?
Hi, Morgan,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> >Hmm, that's funny -- I'm much more interested in TD's new releases than
> >more Virgin years cast-offs. There's probably a reason that
> stuff's still
> >'unreleased'....
> >
> >This *is* a list for TD fans, isn't it? And TD *is* still making music,
> >aren't they? Am I still in the right place???
>
> Jared, there are about 100 hours of TD that is as good as, or
> better than,
> what was officially released.
>
> If concert tapes feel morally wrong to you, then I'm sorry that
> you are in
> the dark about such things. I've seen the light, and it is a beauty!
I think you misunderstand me. I have no problem with concert tapes. In fact,
if I had the time and energy, I'd be tradin' with the best of ya!
I was just commenting on the fact that this seems to be yet another case of
'ooh, look, more old 70's and 80's unreleased material/bah, who cares about
the new stuff' -- an attitude I'm heartily sick of. Personally, the upcoming
releases of Dream Mixes III and Star Trooper interest me more than
unreleased old TD stuff, but it seems I'm in the minority with this
opinion....
BTW, two thumbs up for Seven Letters from Tibet. A few weak spots, but
basically a very beautiful and thrilling composition. I'm beginning to think
I like SLfT and Great Wall of China much better than What a Blast and Mars
Polaris. Maybe Jerome's DJ leanings are starting to wear on me. Here's
hoping Dream Mixes III is more than just more techno beats and non-tunes....
!
Regards,
Jared
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 10:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Song Album,
> > Hi,
> >
> > Anybody knows from which album these songs came from ?
> >
> > Edgar Froese:
Upland
>
definitely Aqua
From:
'Eric Rochon'
Date: Sat Oct 9, 1999 10:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
> Just received the following 6 cdrs from England and I am VERY PLEASED
>with all of them!
>
>1.Crystal Planet-Live in Brussels 9/2/76
>2.Desert Dreams-Live in Australia 1/3/82
>3.Eclypse-Berlin Studio Tape 1982
>4.Horizon-Live in London 2/4/75
>5.Solar Wind-Live in England 8/11/76
>6.Star Swarm-Reims Cathedral
How's the sound quality on each of them ? Also, is there any other
titles that could correspond to those mention above ??
Éric
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 10:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD doing the Shulze thing ?
Jared White wrote:
> I was just commenting on the fact that this seems to be yet another case of
> 'ooh, look, more old 70's and 80's unreleased material/bah, who cares about
> the new stuff' -- an attitude I'm heartily sick of. Personally, the upcoming
> releases of Dream Mixes III and Star Trooper interest me more than
> unreleased old TD stuff, but it seems I'm in the minority with this
> opinion....
>
> BTW, two thumbs up for Seven Letters from Tibet. A few weak spots, but
> basically a very beautiful and thrilling composition. I'm beginning to think
> I like SLfT and Great Wall of China much better than What a Blast and Mars
> Polaris. Maybe Jerome's DJ leanings are starting to wear on me. Here's
> hoping Dream Mixes III is more than just more techno beats and non-tunes....
Now, I'm not trying to attack you here, Jared...but it really seems to me that
your attitude about 'new' TD releases is just as inflexible as the attitude
towards 'old' TD that you accuse some people here of having. You seem to like
these new albums just *because* they're new. This is the position you've staked
out for yourself, and you constantly defend it, regardless of logic. And I say
this because, if you find so much to like in Seven Letters from Tibet...if you
have grown tired of techno beats and non-tunes...well, what's stopping you from
liking Virgin-era releases like Tangram, Ricochet or Hyperborea?
--
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2000 9:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
>From: rbrown4856@a...
>
>Hi Everybody!
>
> Just received the following 6 cdrs from England and I am VERY PLEASED
>with all of them!
>
>1.Crystal Planet-Live in Brussels 9/2/76
>2.Desert Dreams-Live in Australia 1/3/82
>3.Eclypse-Berlin Studio Tape 1982
>4.Horizon-Live in London 2/4/75
>5.Solar Wind-Live in England 8/11/76
>6.Star Swarm-Reims Cathedral
These are obviously re-named existing bootlegs. Why do people feel the need
to re-name this stuff?
1. Danger Live
2. Outback Voices
3. Logostypes
4. Kroyden?
5. *unknown*
6. Live Improvised
Morgan
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 1:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD doing the Shulze thing ?
shawn,
this is another booster project for christmas. it won't be available
anywhere but at TDI. at least initially. i for one will be stepping to the
plate the second it is available. can't wait.
tom
--
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:31:23 Sean Montgomery wrote:
>
>
>AirWave wrote:
>
>> In November a 6-CD box plus 60-page photo booklet will be released.
>
>Where is this news being reported? The TDI website says nothing, and it's
>not listed as a future release on Amazon or CD Now....which is odd, if it's
>to be released next month.
>
>--
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>
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>http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
>
>
>
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 2:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
The answer is GREED!!!!
What amount of money was paid for these CDR's and did you get artwork and
track listings?
THE HIGHLANDER
>>
>>1.Crystal Planet-Live in Brussels 9/2/76
>>2.Desert Dreams-Live in Australia 1/3/82
>>3.Eclypse-Berlin Studio Tape 1982
>>4.Horizon-Live in London 2/4/75
>>5.Solar Wind-Live in England 8/11/76
>>6.Star Swarm-Reims Cathedral
>
>These are obviously re-named existing bootlegs. Why do people feel the need
>to re-name this stuff?
>
>1. Danger Live
>2. Outback Voices
>3. Logostypes
>4. Kroyden?
>5. *unknown*
>6. Live Improvised
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 3:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
Greetings Christopher Lambert!
I paid 15 bucks each for these and since I ordered all 6 available CDRS
the shipping charges were waived.The artwork was fine and tracklistings were
included.
The prices were much better than a lot of known bootlegs I have purchased
before and sound quality was just as good also.
Rick
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 4:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
>From: rbrown4856@a...
>
>Greetings Christopher Lambert!
>
> I paid 15 bucks each for these and since I ordered all 6 available CDRS
>the shipping charges were waived.The artwork was fine and tracklistings
>were
>included.
> The prices were much better than a lot of known bootlegs I have
>purchased
>before and sound quality was just as good also.
That's only because you haven't heard the originals of these concerts. What
you got is copies of fairly widely distributed fan recordings of the
concerts mentioned. The same stuff you 'BOUGHT' for $15, at an extreme
profit which hurts Tangerine Dream and gives fantape collectors a bad name,
is available for CDR trade (non-profit) from friends here on the list who
wish to simply dissiminate wonderful music that will likely never be
released, at least not unmolested, by Edgar.
You got robbed, and TD got robbed.
-Morgan
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From:
Jared White
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 5:13
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD doing the Shulze thing ?
Hi, Sean,
> Now, I'm not trying to attack you here, Jared...but it really
> seems to me that
> your attitude about 'new' TD releases is just as inflexible as
> the attitude
> towards 'old' TD that you accuse some people here of having. You
> seem to like
> these new albums just *because* they're new. This is the
> position you've staked
> out for yourself, and you constantly defend it, regardless of
> logic. And I say
> this because, if you find so much to like in Seven Letters from
> Tibet...if you
> have grown tired of techno beats and non-tunes...well, what's
> stopping you from
> liking Virgin-era releases like Tangram, Ricochet or Hyperborea?
Nothing! In fact, Tangram in one of my favorite TD albums of all time --
honest!
Maybe I get excited about modern TD the most because I've only been a real
fan for a couple years or so, and so I tend to gravitate towards their
new(er) material. Maybe I like digital synths. Maybe I like Edgar's
classicism. Maybe I think most other modern music stinks, so TD's worst is
great by comparison. Maybe it's a jerk reaction to the diatribes of others.
Maybe I'm getting sick of the subject, so let's drop it, OK?
Regards,
Jared
P. S. One thing's for sure -- I *don't* like TD's new albums 'just because'
they're new. And some of my all-time favorite TD material is pre-1987.
Please don't pigeon-hole me as a 'modern TD fan only' just because I like to
defend the worth of TD's modern music!
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 6:53
am
Subject: Re: Song Album,
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Michael A Jean' wrote:
>
> > - Upland
>
> Aqua or Eplison
>
Aqua
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 6:58
am
Subject: Re: Question
>
> Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>
> > What if Schulze hadn't left T.Dream? What would TD sound like?
>
see it this way: We wouldn't have such wunderful albums like
Timewind, Moondawn, Mirage, X (Ludwig!), Dune. I'm so so so so
glad he left!
armin
From:
'Stephen'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 7:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Song Album,
Hi. Michael A Jean
Thanks to you and the others who replied my request, by the way, I would
like to ask you if Kamikase was actually released in 1982 or in 1989 ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael A Jean
To:
Sent: 09 Oktober 2000 9:27
Subject: RE: [tadream] Song Album,
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen [mailto:christ@b...]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:44 PM
> > To: tadream@egroups.com
> > Subject: [tadream] Song Album,
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Anybody knows from which album these songs came from ?
> >
> > Edgar Froese:
> > - Per Kozem
>
> Probably DER KONZERN (Tower Block) from Kamikaze 1989
>
> > - Schlangenbad
>
> (Snake Bath) from Kamikaze 1989
>
>
> > - Blauer Painther
>
> (Blue Panther) from Kamikaze 1989
>
>
>
> >
> > - Where
>
> I don't know
>
> > - Upland
>
> Aqua or Eplison
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Thnks
> >
> >
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> > Website: http://www.tadream.net
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 7:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
Hi Morgan!
I don't really feel I got robbed anymore than anyone else here on the
list who has purchased bootlegs of these same concerts and rare recordings.I
have every one of these recordings by other means and have paid more for them
and what I have just received sounds just as good.IMHO:>)
Rick
From:
'James E. Jacoby'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 12:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
Feldon Feldon wrote:
> you got is copies of fairly widely distributed fan recordings of the
> concerts mentioned. The same stuff you 'BOUGHT' for $15, at an extreme
> profit which hurts Tangerine Dream and gives fantape collectors a bad name,
> is available for CDR trade (non-profit) from friends here on the list who
> wish to simply dissiminate wonderful music that will likely never be
> released, at least not unmolested, by Edgar.
>
> You got robbed, and TD got robbed.
>
I can totally understand why people would pay for something like that. Not all
of us have material we can trade for, and I doubt these fantape collectors are
willing to just give us stuff without anything in return. And it's just like
the Napster argument: unless those concerts have been officially released by
TD, I don't believe TD is being hurt (or robbed) at all. Rbrown just
demonstrated that he WOULD be willing to pay for those concerts had they been
available. I don't blame him for going to another source and buying it.
Unless you know of someone willing to part with all their precious fantapes and
CDRs for nothing in return, of course.
James
P.S. Where DID you order those CDRs from? I may be interested.
From:
tweibre361@a...
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 2:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 657
In a message dated 10/10/00 06:01:18 Eastern Daylight Time,
tadream@egroups.com writes:
<< That's only because you haven't heard the originals of these concerts.
What
you got is copies of fairly widely distributed fan recordings of the
concerts mentioned. The same stuff you 'BOUGHT' for $15, at an extreme
profit which hurts Tangerine Dream and gives fantape collectors a bad name,
is available for CDR trade (non-profit) from friends here on the list who
wish to simply dissiminate wonderful music that will likely never be
released, at least not unmolested, by Edgar.
You got robbed, and TD got robbed.
>>
amen....
tw
np: xen cuts (ninja tune's 10 year anniversary box)
From:
Radu Velicescu
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 5:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
Actually 2, 4 & 5 are also easy to identify:
2. Ratikon
4. Coefficient of Aural Expansion / Ruby in the Sky
5. MeRad
> >1.Crystal Planet-Live in Brussels 9/2/76
> >2.Desert Dreams-Live in Australia 1/3/82
> >3.Eclypse-Berlin Studio Tape 1982
> >4.Horizon-Live in London 2/4/75
> >5.Solar Wind-Live in England 8/11/76
> >6.Star Swarm-Reims Cathedral
>
> These are obviously re-named existing bootlegs. Why do people feel the need
> to re-name this stuff?
>
> 1. Danger Live
> 2. Outback Voices
> 3. Logostypes
> 4. Kroyden?
> 5. *unknown*
> 6. Live Improvised
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 5:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
From: 'Radu Velicescu'
> Actually 2, 4 & 5 are also easy to identify:
>
> 2. Ratikon
> 4. Coefficient of Aural Expansion / Ruby in the Sky
> 5. MeRad
>
> > >1.Crystal Planet-Live in Brussels 9/2/76
> > >2.Desert Dreams-Live in Australia 1/3/82
> > >3.Eclypse-Berlin Studio Tape 1982
> > >4.Horizon-Live in London 2/4/75
> > >5.Solar Wind-Live in England 8/11/76
> > >6.Star Swarm-Reims Cathedral
Doesn't 1=Danger Live,
3= Logostypes, and
6= Live Improvised?
- jim
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 6:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
Like I said :) Maybe you missed my e-mail.
-Morgan
>From: 'Jim Moore'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:57:30 -0400
>
>From: 'Radu Velicescu'
> > Actually 2, 4 & 5 are also easy to identify:
> >
> > 2. Ratikon
> > 4. Coefficient of Aural Expansion / Ruby in the Sky
> > 5. MeRad
> >
> > > >1.Crystal Planet-Live in Brussels 9/2/76
> > > >2.Desert Dreams-Live in Australia 1/3/82
> > > >3.Eclypse-Berlin Studio Tape 1982
> > > >4.Horizon-Live in London 2/4/75
> > > >5.Solar Wind-Live in England 8/11/76
> > > >6.Star Swarm-Reims Cathedral
>
>Doesn't 1=Danger Live,
>3= Logostypes, and
>6= Live Improvised?
>
>- jim
>
>
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From:
Felna Greymane
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 8:25
pm
Subject: Legend (sort of)
The piece you are talking about it actually part of Loved by the Sun. It
is my single favorite 'bit' TD has ever done and wish they had done more
with it. There is only about 30 seconds of it on the official Legend CD.
A longer version can be found on _Electronic Orgy_. It has a 7 minute
portion of the Unicorn Theme on it.....the nice thing is that the ending of
the song is more developed. There is no voice over of Oona ('to believe in
the good of man') but the music carries on for about 1 1/2 minutes longer
than on the _Legend_ OST. It is also on various fantapes from the 86 tour.
To my knowledge the piece was never developed any more than what your gonna
here in one of these formats (please correct me if anyone knows any
different).
> From: 'Phil Wingfield'
>Subject: Legend (sort of)
>
>Can anyone help?
>
>I think it was a mid to late eighties gig I went too and they played an
>instrumental version of the track from Legend that John Abderson sings.
>Loved by the sun is it? Anyhow, at the gig, this song ran into another song.
>It was only short but really superb. On the album it is there but fades out
>after a few seconds, as if it is part of the original track but dream
>decided to cut it out. Anyone know the bit I mean and if there is a studio
>version available anywhere? I could always make a short WAV of a section
>form my tape if it would help.
>
>Phil.
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
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From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 6:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
Hi James!
Thanks for the support!
I got them at MusicStack.com.They have a lot of TD material available.
Rick
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 1:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
>From: 'James E. Jacoby'
>
>Feldon Feldon wrote:
>
> > you got is copies of fairly widely distributed fan recordings of the
> > concerts mentioned. The same stuff you 'BOUGHT' for $15, at an extreme
> > profit which hurts Tangerine Dream and gives fantape collectors a bad
>name,
> > is available for CDR trade (non-profit) from friends here on the list
>who
> > wish to simply dissiminate wonderful music that will likely never be
> > released, at least not unmolested, by Edgar.
> >
> > You got robbed, and TD got robbed.
> >
>
>I can totally understand why people would pay for something like that. Not
>all
>of us have material we can trade for, and I doubt these fantape collectors
>are
>willing to just give us stuff without anything in return. And it's just
>like
>the Napster argument: unless those concerts have been officially released
>by
>TD, I don't believe TD is being hurt (or robbed) at all. Rbrown just
>demonstrated that he WOULD be willing to pay for those concerts had they
>been
>available. I don't blame him for going to another source and buying it.
>
>Unless you know of someone willing to part with all their precious fantapes
>and
>CDRs for nothing in return, of course.
I guess you are new to this list.
Just post a discreet message to the list that you would like to trade for
concert material. All you need to do is send 2 or 3 blank CDRs (preferably
Verbatim Datalifeplus or TDK blues) or 1 CDR and postage, and you can get
just about anything in return. The purpose of Tangerine Dream concert
trading is NOT to profit from it! Grateful Dead, Phish, and other bands have
been even more vocal and supportive of this.
>James
>
>P.S. Where DID you order those CDRs from? I may be interested.
James, it is our responsibility as Tangerine Dream fans to try to stop the
profiteering from bootleg concert material. Not to feed into it.
It costs less than $1 for a CDR blank these days and 50 cents for ink and
paper for a CD sleeve. Why should you be charged $15? It's profiteering. If
you are looking for concert material, come to this list first. About a year
and a half ago, there were tape trees and CDR trees going that sought to let
new and old TD fans hear these wonderful TD concerts which will probably
never be released in good sound quality, and without greatly hurting TD with
profiteering or wide distribution.
-Morgan
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 7:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
>From: rbrown4856@a...
>
>Hi James!
>
>I got them at MusicStack.com.They have a lot of TD material available.
>
>Rick
Thanks for the info, Rick.
*wink*
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 7:50
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
> >From: rbrown4856@a...
> >
> >Hi James!
> >
> >I got them at MusicStack.com.They have a lot of TD material available.
> >
> >Rick
>
> Thanks for the info, Rick.
>
> *wink*
>
> -Morgan
>
Oh, like TDI won't be all over their ass now..... this is the wrong mailing
list to be posting this type of information.
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 10:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
From: 'Joel Mullen'
> > >From: rbrown4856@a...
> > >I got them at MusicStack.com.They have a lot of TD material available.
> Oh, like TDI won't be all over their ass now..... this is the wrong
mailing
> list to be posting this type of information.
Maybe that was the point...
- jim
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 2:27
am
Subject: Flame Throwing!
Greetings All!
I simply can't believe how much attack I have received just from trying to
spread the word to people on this list about available TD stuff.I thought the
purpose of this list was to try to help fellow members acquire rare
material.There is all kinds of material available on the net if you are
willing to spend hours(like I have) searching for it.
I'll admit I never knew a thing about CDR trading on this list and is that
not also robbing TD of profits.Also when I ordered thm I did not know they
were CDRS,but when I received and played them I didn't care.
If I have offended anyone by giving info about available TD I'm Sorry and
it will never happen again.
Rick
By the way,All you members out there who have purchased known bootlegs and
show them on your Web Pages, I know a lot of you have:>) Have you received
the same flack I have?
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 2:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Flame Throwing!
Hey Rick,
I think the attacks are unjust. And I advise the fans to not start a
thread down this path. Free CD-R trading may be nice for those with
lot's of free time on their hands (plus the HW & SW to do it), but many
of us do not have that time or access. So let's not tell one another
what we should do - we joined this list for other reasons - and I hope
it is that we follow the greatest electronic music band of all time!!
Vic
> If I have offended anyone by giving info about available TD I'm Sorry and
> it will never happen again.
From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 2:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Flame Throwing!
Hi Vic!
THANK YOU!
I was just trying to help and be informative for other members.
Rick
From:
spawnofcthulhu@w...
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 4:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW CDRS!
>I guess you are new to this list.
>Just post a discreet message to the list >that you would like to trade
for concert >material. All you need to do is send 2 or >3 blank CDRs
(preferably Verbatim >Datalifeplus or TDK blues) or 1 CDR and >postage,
and you can get just about >anything in return. The purpose of
>Tangerine Dream concert trading is NOT >to profit from it!
I'm one of those who is new to the list, as well as not having anything
to trade (all I have are official releases). If anyone could help me out
with some live recordings, please contact me off list. Thanks, Mike in
Salem, VA (USA).
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 9:34
am
Subject: Re: boxset news????
<>
Right on!!! We can start with all of the 77 US
tour material besides Cherokee Lane and
Monolight! Then there's the Rheims Cathedral
concert from December 74. Then there's the
various radio sessions the band did in the early
years. And I'd still think it'd be extra slick to
have something from that first Australian tour in
75, for a couple reasons:
a. They've never released anything that Hoenig
played on.
b. I rather like the idea that Chris was forced
to do the entire tour with just a Mellotron and a
Mini-moog because his modular synth got trashed
en route.
And how about a 78 show???
As far as there being a 'reason why the material
was unreleased', I ask you, do you think Silver
Scale is really all that bad that it's release
was withheld for over 10 years????
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From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:05
am
Subject: Re: Song Album,
there has definetly been a Kamikaze release on Vinyl the time the
movie was out. Always seen it, never bought it.
armin
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Stephen' wrote:
>
> Hi. Michael A Jean
> Thanks to you and the others who replied my request, by the way, I
would
> like to ask you if Kamikase was actually released in 1982 or in
1989 ?
>
From:
'Derk'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 1:01
pm
Subject: Re: TD News
AirWave wrote:
<<
Here's some news.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Here are the latest release dates from Tangerine Dream:
Dream Mixes 3 (February 2001)
Twilight Folder (2001)
Star Trooper (late 2001)
And there's more news from Tangerine Dream:
In November a 6-CD box plus 60-page photo booklet will be released.
The CD´s include a representative retrospective of TD´s four creative
periods from 1970- 1990 (Pink years, Virgin years, Blue years, Melrose
years) plus unreleased live versions and studio material. CD #6 contains
a complete unreleased live set from Perth and CD #5 will also contain
unreleased material.
Price is unknown at this moment but TDI told us that it will be nicely
priced.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
Can you tell me where you got this news? I'd like to include it in my
newspage and therefore need to quote a source.
Tnx,
Derk
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 1:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
AirWave wrote:
> In November a 6-CD box plus 60-page photo booklet will be released.
> The CD´s include a representative retrospective of TD´s four creative
> periods from 1970- 1990 (Pink years, Virgin years, Blue years, Melrose
> years) plus unreleased live versions and studio material. CD #6 contains
> a complete unreleased live set from Perth and CD #5 will also contain
> unreleased material.
Arrrggghhhhh!!!!!!!
Do we really need yet *another* compilation of previous tracks? We've had
Tangents, Book of Dreams, The Pink Years, The Blue Years, Atlantic Walls,
Atlantic Bridges, Tan-go and only last month a re-release of Dream Sequence.
This is getting completely out of hand. Oh, and a side-note to TDI; calling it a
'representative retrospect' doesn't hide the fact that you're just plundering
the TD archives for old tracks to wrap up in snazzy new covers.
If the only way to get hold of discs #5 and #6 is to plonk down Ł80 for a box
set of material I've purchased 2 or 3 copies of already, I'm going to have to
pass on this and pray these discs turn up on Napster.
Maff
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 3:41
am
Subject: OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
Hi,
I recently went to my local Staples to buy some CD-Rs, and the
clerk dissuaded me from buying Sony's, saying that they are prone to
glitches and dropouts because 'they are too thin.' Instead, he got me
to buy a pack of Imation discs. Now, I'm going to be buying some CD-RW
discs, and I sure as shit don't want glitches and dropouts on *those* --
since I'll be using them to back up my system to store all my Juno mail
folders for remote use.
Anyone got any advice about which brands are better and why?
-- Steven Feldman -- unhumble
webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at
http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 4:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
For CD-R recording up to 12x, I recommend:
Imation
TDK blue (1x2x4x6x8x12x written on the box with a blue CD bkgnd)
Verbatim Datalifeplus
Memorex Platinum Series 74 min (Clear writing on silver top)
Memorex 80 minute (Dark blue writing on silver top)
Taiyo Yuden (they invented CDR media!!)
Sony and Memorex gold-top are awful.
For CD-RW recording , I can pull suggestions from the #1 CDR drive being
sold today (The Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32 -- I've got 1 at home and 1 at
work). I've only used the CDR features and god is it a wonderful drive.
Flawless burns at 12x and if your computer gets busy, the drive can STOP and
RESTART without messing up the burn. It's called Burnproof technology and
this is the first drive with it. No more buffer underruns. It also rips a
music CD in 180 seconds. Not too shabby for a $279 drive.
For CD-RW recording at 4x, they recommend:
Ricoh 74R-AZ2, 74R-AZ2AM3, 74R-AZ2AM4
Mitsubishi RW74Q1
TDK CD-RW74
Maxell CD-RW74.C1P
(taken from
http://www.plextor.com/english/support/support_compat_hsmedia.html )
>From: Steven Feldman
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Subject: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:41:05 EDT
>
>Hi,
> I recently went to my local Staples to buy some CD-Rs, and the
>clerk dissuaded me from buying Sony's, saying that they are prone to
>glitches and dropouts because 'they are too thin.' Instead, he got me
>to buy a pack of Imation discs. Now, I'm going to be buying some CD-RW
>discs, and I sure as shit don't want glitches and dropouts on *those* --
>since I'll be using them to back up my system to store all my Juno mail
>folders for remote use.
> Anyone got any advice about which brands are better and why?
>
> -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble
> webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at
> http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html
>
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From:
'Brian Stewart'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
Steven
In reply to your post about Sony CDs.
I get through a considerable number of CD-Rs at work. Until Recently my
supplier sent Sony (CDQ-74CN) discs but it got to the point that I was
having to return a quarter of them due to various faults. Switching to
Imation (CDR-8X) discs has sorted that problem. So far I have had no
falures in over 500 discs. In the past I have found Virgin & Verbatim discs
to be reliable but by far the worst was TDK's basic brand where the falure
rate was about a third.
Now a TD related point!
In the UK British Telecom (BT) are airing another awful 'Lifestyle' advert.
The head of the BT 'Family' is seen remembering his youth in a New-Romantic
band called Stratosfear!! Yes, that spelling. Looks like there is a TD
inspired writer in BT's advertising agency
Best to you all
Brian
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 4:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
>From: 'Feldon Feldon'
>
>For CD-R recording up to 12x, I recommend:
By the way, CDR blanks should NEVER cost you more than $1, unless you are in
Canada where the music labels pressured the government to add a $2 per disc
'piracy tax' since they assume everyone is copying music CDs illegally.
And as for CD-RW, they are about $2-3 each. $5 for the 10x RWs.
Morgan
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From:
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Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 5:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
Feldon Feldon wrote:
> By the way, CDR blanks should NEVER cost you more than $1, unless you are in
> Canada where the music labels pressured the government to add a $2 per disc
> 'piracy tax' since they assume everyone is copying music CDs illegally.
That may be true if you buy discs at HMV or Tower Records. But the computer
store here in Toronto where I buy my Kodak CDRs charges 89 cents Canadian, or 60
cents U.S. I just bought 50 for 51 dollars (34 U.S.) - tax included. And
they're even cheaper if you buy them on a spindle, without jewel cases.
--
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 4:50
pm
Subject: An All-Label, All-Periods Best of TD Package?
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:56:49 +0100 Matthew Sawyer said:
> AirWave wrote:
>>In November a 6-CD box plus 60-page photo booklet will be released.
>>The CD´s include a representative retrospective of TD´s four creative
>>periods from 1970- 1990 (Pink years, Virgin years, Blue years, Melrose
>>years) plus unreleased live versions and studio material. [. . .]
There is the outside chance that the track selection might be good.
I had a fan pipe dream project for a 3-CD THE COMMERCIAL TD set that
would highlight all their riff-heavy, catchy material over the years
from *all* their labels, but gave up, figuring that the greedy pricks
(the record labels) would never relent and agree to pay royalties or
licensing fees to each other in order to enable such a compilation. I
really hope Edgar has taken this approach, i.e. highlighting all their
catchy hits (the sort of stuff used on THE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS and the
OLYMPICS broadcasts), but somehow, I doubt it.
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 5:25
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
>
> For CD-R recording up to 12x, I recommend:
>
> Imation
> TDK blue (1x2x4x6x8x12x written on the box with a blue CD bkgnd)
> Verbatim Datalifeplus
> Memorex Platinum Series 74 min (Clear writing on silver top)
> Memorex 80 minute (Dark blue writing on silver top)
> Taiyo Yuden (they invented CDR media!!)
>
> Sony and Memorex gold-top are awful.
Never had any problems with any brand though.
Expensive or cheap.
I did had a problem a few years ago with my hard-drive
resulting in bad recordings, but that was the HD.
I must confess I don't record at 12x and I doubt if
thats any good for audio...no I'm SURE thats very bad
for audio recording...try sending a CDR mastered at
12x to a pressing factory and you'll get it returned
for having too much errors on it.
For about 4 or 5 years I've got a Yamaha CDR102 and it
still works like new.
Marcel
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 6:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
Steven Feldman wrote:
>
> Now, I'm going to be buying some CD-RW
> discs, and I sure as shit don't want glitches and dropouts on *those* --
> since I'll be using them to back up my system to store all my Juno mail
> folders for remote use.
> Anyone got any advice about which brands are better and why?
I had a few serious problems with CD-RWs (disappearing files) on
different brands of discs and 2 different burners. I was using Adaptec's
software Direct CD 2.5d in both burners, so maybe the problem is this
software. Anyway, there's one thing you have to remember: CD-RWs can't
be write-protected.
As for CDRs, my advice is: stay away from Princo. I had burned 10 Princo
CDRs (silver/blue) with music, and one year afterwards none of them
plays at all!!!
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 6:50
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
>From: 'Marcel Engels'
>I must confess I don't record at 12x and I doubt if
>thats any good for audio...no I'm SURE thats very bad
>for audio recording...try sending a CDR mastered at
>12x to a pressing factory and you'll get it returned
>for having too much errors on it.
Technology is amazing. The 12x burns this drive produces are simply amazing.
I've tried every type of gear. Cheap $40 CD players, car stereos, computer
CD-ROMs. Not a skip to be heard.
That Yamaha 102 *is* a good drive.
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pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
>
> Technology is amazing. The 12x burns this drive produces are
> simply amazing.
I believe that.
I wish I could burn at 12x. My hardware should be fine (udma 100).
> I've tried every type of gear. Cheap $40 CD players, car stereos,
> computer
> CD-ROMs. Not a skip to be heard.
Okay maybe not heard, but the errors are there.
I even had to record the master for Pointless Reminder twice
because at 2x there were was, at one point, too many errors.
They cannot be heard and is fine for listening at home, car
etc...but the mastering factory won't accept it.
> That Yamaha 102 *is* a good drive.
It's old...but it does the job.
I don't record that much CDRs anymore as some time ago.
But if breaks down I think I'll buy a Plextor.
Marcel
wow, where's the TD content?
Okay here it is...another compilation, with more of the
same...could be interesting the last 2 discs but to buy
such a box just for 2 (possibly 1) disc?
No, I really like TD, but I can spend it on something else.
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 8:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] An All-Label, All-Periods Best of TD Package?
Steven Feldman wrote:
> There is the outside chance that the track selection might be good.
> I had a fan pipe dream project for a 3-CD THE COMMERCIAL TD set that
> would highlight all their riff-heavy, catchy material over the years
> from *all* their labels
Funny idea...but what would you include? Obviously, this begs an answer.
I'll take a stab at it. My two disk 'commerical TD':
Ultima Thule pt. one
Stratosfear
Betrayal
Cloudburst Flight
Lana (Force Majeure excerpt on Risky Business)
Tangram (future part)
Beach Scene
Scrap Yard
Choronzon
Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe
Love on a Real Train
Warsaw in the Sun (Barbakane excerpt)
Charly the Kid
Streethawk
Tiergarten
Yellowstone Park
Unicorn Theme
Ride on the Ray
Marakesh (single edit)
Desert Drive
After the Call
Melrose
Touchwood
Rockoon (single version)
Catwalk
Towards the Evening Star
Virtually Fields
Sojus
Flashflood
Timesquare (N.Y. Brix mix)
Astrophobia
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From:
'Johan Edberg'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 9:55
pm
Subject: TDI site update
Hi all!
Odd thing about german time...
For another few minutes it's still October 11 here in Sweden (AND Germany) and
the TDI website is 'Last updated: October 12th 2000'
Just odd, that's all.
Off to bed. Good night.
// Johan, Stockholm, Sweden
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 10:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI site update
Johan Edberg wrote:
>
> Odd thing about german time...
> For another few minutes it's still October 11 here in Sweden (AND Germany)
and the TDI website is 'Last updated: October 12th 2000'
Maybe they are writing from Tibet ;-)
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Carl Kearney'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 10:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
> AirWave wrote:
>
> > In November a 6-CD box plus 60-page photo booklet will be released.
( SNIP )
OK so here we go again , lets all rush out and place our orders ??????
So the box set will contain some previously unreleased material but I will
bet you in a couple of months there will be yet another release just
containing this material .
I for one am getting a little bit sick of this Box set bullshit , for Christ
sake just give us the unreleased material on a separate disk.
I am surprised they didn't try and booster it for an extra few more pounds,
throw in a poorly fitting T-Shirt or even a naff watch or two .
Here's one TD fan that wont be rushing to the shops to order it .
Regards to the sane ones out there ' Orch ' Carl
# ICQ 38818818.
'This ain't rock and roll this is Genocide '
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 6:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Speaking of CD-Rs: why do Sony's supposedly suck?
>From: Antonio Nunes
>As for CDRs, my advice is: stay away from Princo. I had burned 10 Princo
>CDRs (silver/blue) with music, and one year afterwards none of them
>plays at all!!!
Princo and Ritek are awful. Stick to my list :)
-Morgan
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From:
'Carl Kearney'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:04
pm
Subject: Jodrell Bank UK
Well just to let all you die hard e-music fans out there know about the
bands already confirmed for Jodrell Bank UK 2001.
Rainbow Serpant - March 2001
Keller & Schonwalder - April 7th 2001
Syndrommeda - May 5th 2001
I will keep you posted on anymore dates as long as SMD dont give me a
roasting for posting this :-)
Regards to all Carl ' Orch ' # ICQ 38818818
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:15
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Carl Kearney [mailto:Carljk@b...]
> Sendt: 12. oktober 2000 00:23
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
> I for one am getting a little bit sick of this Box set bullshit ,
> for Christ
> sake just give us the unreleased material on a separate disk.
> I am surprised they didn't try and booster it for an extra few
> more pounds,
> throw in a poorly fitting T-Shirt or even a naff watch or two .
Ok, I have been on the lurking mode for a time, but I am getting a bit tired
of all the bitching everytime a new release is coming from TD. Let's face
it, TD will never make another Rubycon, Tangram etc etc, they are somewhere
else now, have a new sound, style and so forth. TD, TDI and all concerning
TD has become a moneymachine like so many others. Again I will point to
Edgars words: 'If you don't like it, don't buy it'. Instead of all the
negative reviews, regarding new releases, try to look at what it is, and
what TD has become, not what it was. A lot of the new material, is IMO stale
and boring, but there has also been some very good stuff from TD lately. I
keep hearing, everytime a release of old material has been 'Tangenized',
that.....UUHHH...it is so and so bad, and this is crap, and the original is
much much better. Well, some of you guys have the old recordings, keep
listening to them and don't buy or listen to the new material if you don't
like it. I am a musician myself and can understand the feeling, when digging
out old material, that this could do with some nice pads, sequencers,
percussion or whatever, and I find that a lot of the material which has been
added a few new sounds is good. When I first got hold of 'Tangents', and
listened to all the new layers that had been added to the tracks, I liked it
and still does. I think the new added sections on SN is good. If you don't
want the T-shirts or whatever they can come up with, then don't buy through
TDI, buy the CD somewhere else. Don't bitch about something where you have
the option not to buy it. I don't buy through TDI, for several reasons. One
of them is that I don't want the T-shirts or whatever they can include. Stop
bitching and let's get on with TD, as they are today.
> Here's one TD fan that wont be rushing to the shops to order it .
Then don't!!!
Just had to have this of my chest. =)
Jan
From:
spawnofcthulhu@w...
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:31
pm
Subject: new vinyl releases
TD is releasing three new 12' singles from the upcoming Dream Mixes III
album. Each single will be limited to 500 copies. According to the TD
site, from now on all TD vinyl will be released on the new Ground
Liftaz label.
Go to the Official TD site and check the 'latest news'.
BTW, my browser says the site was last updated at 9:03 a.m. on Oct. 11,
despite their attempt to appear to have mastered time travel.
Never †ouch †he crosses
Mike
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
From: Pergamon
> Again I will point to
> Edgars words: 'If you don't like it, don't buy it'.
I agree absolutely. If I don't like a TD album, I don't buy it. But what happens
when you *do* like it, you *desperately* want to buy it, but you're expected to
pony up the cash for 4 other discs you not only don't want, but already bloody
have. That's a rip-off, no matter which way you turn it.
Maff
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 12:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
TD is not the only musical group who is practicing this. Yanni just came out
with another Best Of, some hiding under various titles such as Romantic
Moments, Songs From The Heart and Devotion. I've actually got most if not
all of his CD's and actually kept track of what tracks were on which CD's
and I found that there are quite a few tracks that can be found on as many
as 5-8 different CD's. All he's doing is reorganizing the tracks and
repackaging them and *maybe* adding one or two new ones. Talk about over
kill for the fool hearted collector that I am. Awe, but there's still hope,
because he also just released another new CD with entirely new tracks too,
YES!! Just seems like Yanni is maximizing his business opportunities to me.
Something just seems to be askew with this picture, but I do love the man's
music! May be too sugary for some of you though, but I can say that there
isn't one track of his that I *don't* like. That's one helluva batting
average imo! But he's still second to TD, in my book anyways. [ I abhor TD's
'Purple Haze', over kill on the guitar.]
Oh yeah, Carl! Did you buy a new TD shirt and it not fit right [Too tight
?Just kidding my friend!! Please accept my sense of humor in the spirit that
it was intended, the crazy f***er that I am :-)] to replace the one that you
were starting to slightly get embarrassed to be seen in [Unbecoming in TD's
interest :-)] ? -Frank Arellano
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Carl Kearney'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
>
> > AirWave wrote:
> >
> > > In November a 6-CD box plus 60-page photo booklet will be released.
> ( SNIP )
>
> OK so here we go again , lets all rush out and place our orders ??????
> So the box set will contain some previously unreleased material but I will
> bet you in a couple of months there will be yet another release just
> containing this material .
>
> I for one am getting a little bit sick of this Box set bullshit , for
Christ
> sake just give us the unreleased material on a separate disk.
> I am surprised they didn't try and booster it for an extra few more
pounds,
> throw in a poorly fitting T-Shirt or even a naff watch or two .
>
> Here's one TD fan that wont be rushing to the shops to order it .
>
> Regards to the sane ones out there ' Orch ' Carl
> # ICQ 38818818.
>
> 'This ain't rock and roll this is Genocide '
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 1:49
am
Subject: Embittered fans (was 'Re: TD News')
In a message dated 10/11/00 6:23:11 PM, Carljk@b... writes:
>OK so here we go again , lets all rush out and place our orders ??????
>So the box set will contain some previously unreleased material but I will
>bet you in a couple of months there will be yet another release just
>containing this material .
>
>I for one am getting a little bit sick of this Box set bullshit , for Christ
>sake just give us the unreleased material on a separate disk.
Okay, I'm not saying your complaint won't be valid in a few weeks, but come
on--you don't even know what tracks are on it. Who says the retrospective is
all released material? Sure, it might be, but nobody knows. Can't you at
least wait for the track listing before declaring it bullshit?
--Daniel
NP: Laibach--the Final Countdown
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'Pergamon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 2:55
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...]
> Sendt: 12. oktober 2000 01:49
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
> From: Pergamon
>
> > Again I will point to
> > Edgars words: 'If you don't like it, don't buy it'.
> But what happens
> when you *do* like it, you *desperately* want to buy it, but
> you're expected to
> pony up the cash for 4 other discs you not only don't want, but
> already bloody
> have. That's a rip-off, no matter which way you turn it.
>
> Maff
To answer your question, how many times have I not heard or seen
TD-fans in possesion of several copies of the same CD. The only difference
is a misprint, different releaselocation/company etc etc. Why on earth buy
the same CD multiple times when it is the same music. So why rant on if your
going to buy a box of CD just to get a few new tracks. Fans do it all the
time. 'hey, I must buy this record, with a special version of a track, xtra
track etc etc'. Think compilaions/best of. 'Tangents' had the same, 4 CD's
with old material, with added sounds + a CD containing unreleased material,
and everybody bought the CD. Why bitch about it now????. But, yes it is
allways to expensive, and you wish it would be cheaper. But it's not and as
long as people keep buying stuff at these prices it will never change. This
is a money bussiness, and the recordcompanies do it for the money.
Jan
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From:
Jared White
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 3:11
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] new vinyl releases
Hi, folks,
> TD is releasing three new 12' singles from the upcoming Dream Mixes III
> album. Each single will be limited to 500 copies. According to the TD
> site, from now on all TD vinyl will be released on the new Ground
> Liftaz label.
OK, it's my turn to bitch about TD now. ;)
ARGH!!! My worst nightmares are coming true! Jerome's gone off to become a
DJ and make vinyl singles for DJs to crossfade and scratch! AAAHHH! I can't
STAND all that stuff! Dream Mixes III: 'dance-floor beats to make your
subwoofers shake' -- no, please, no!
My only hope is that this is all just some marketing spiel on the part of
TDI/Ground Liftaz, and DM3 will carry on in the spirit of DM2, which was
excellent -- not go off into
'this-makes-Outland-seem-totally-slow-and-relaxing' la-la-land!
OK, rant over. :)
Watch, I'm going to become another 'embittered fan' myself soon -- except
that I'll be reminiscing about the 'good ol' days of Turn of the Tides and
Goblin's Club -- when men were men and played keyboards and women played
sax....' (why does that sound dirtier than it is??)
Sorry, guess I'm feeling a bit kooky tonight. Maybe it's to reassure all you
good people out there that I'm not the big mean ol' sourpuss you think I am.
;)
Hi Ho, Tinfoil -- away!
Jared
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From:
'James E. Jacoby'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 4:48
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
>
> > But what happens
> > when you *do* like it, you *desperately* want to buy it, but
> > you're expected to
> > pony up the cash for 4 other discs you not only don't want, but
> > already bloody
> > have. That's a rip-off, no matter which way you turn it.
> >
> > Maff
>
How is this different than any other box set release out there? From Pink
Floyd to Weird Al Yankovic, The Police to Star Wars--boxsets, almost by
definition, are compilations of material you already have with a few extras
tossed on to entice the fan that has most of it already. It's the same thing
with ANY artist's 'greatest hits' collection nowadays...there are always a
couple of new recordings or songs that have 'never before been released' to
hook the more diehard fans.
The point is that these boxsets and compilation greatest hits are not
*intended* for the collectors and completists. They are intended for
joe-consumer who wants to find a quick way to fill in gaps or are just
discovering the artist and want a firm base to build on. Joe-consumer can
either spend a fortune in $$ and time tracking down and buying every single one
of TD's releases, or he can buy one boxset that covers a lot of what some
people consider the highlights of them all.
Heck, I did it with the Tangents box when it first came out. Most of my
collection was comprised of Private Music and Miramar stuff, with a few Jive
discs tossed in... but I had nothing at all from the Virgin era. Tangents
helped me fill in that in a huge way, and since then I've gone on to purchase a
lot of those original albums to flesh out what I now know I already liked.
And know what? I still have nothing from the pre-Virgin years, and I'm still
missing a lot of stuff from the 80s... this new boxset will help fill in a lot
of those gaps until I'm ready to find and buy the full albums. AND I get a
couple discs of unreleased material to go with it, how cool for me!
So for you die-hard collectors out there... those of you compelled to be
completists... you signed up for this a long time ago, so quit bitching about
it now. No one said you HAD to have everything. You have no reason to
complain about something you volunteered to do.
And amen to everything Jan said earlier (I won't quote) on the same topic.
James
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From:
'James E. Jacoby'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 4:55
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
'James E. Jacoby' wrote:
> Heck, I did it with the Tangents box when it first came out. Most of my
> collection was comprised of Private Music and Miramar stuff, with a few Jive
> discs tossed in... but I had nothing at all from the Virgin era. Tangents
> helped me fill in that in a huge way, and since then I've gone on to purchase
a
> lot of those original albums to flesh out what I now know I already liked.
This raises another question I have about this boxset... isn't this the first
time
TD themselves are responsible for initiating a boxed release like this?
Wouldn't
all prior compilations (pre-TDI) and boxsets have been the responsibility of the
issuing record company? Like Tangents, for example... did TD go to Virgin and
say, 'We'd like you to release this boxset,' or did Virgin approach TD (or
Edgar,
as it were). Is TD aware of other compilations? I'm certain. Were they
involved
in their releases (including remastering, recording, mixing, etc.)? Sure. Was
it
their call? I'm not so sure.
Maybe now that TDI is firmly established Edgar said, 'Now that I have complete
control I want to do this *right*.' Of course, his version of 'right' never
seems
to fall in line with our version of 'right.'
James
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 1:38
am
Subject: Another Edgar Apologist Bites the Dust
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:49:13 +0100 Matthew Sawyer said:
>From: Pergamon
>
>> Again I will point to
>> Edgars words: 'If you don't like it, don't buy it'.
>
>I agree absolutely. If I don't like a TD album, I don't buy it. But what
>happens when you *do* like it, you *desperately* want to buy it, but
>you're expected to pony up the cash for 4 other discs you not only don't
>want, but already bloody have. That's a rip-off, no matter which way you
>turn it.
Oh, I don't know; it sounds like another case of that glib bullshit
statement, 'If you don't like it, don't buy it,' to *me*! No smiley.
-- Steven Feldman -- unhumble
webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at
http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 1:58
am
Subject: The New Box Set: TANGENT-izing, jiggedy jig! ;)
Hey,
The Edgar Apologists can always rationalize any repacking of older
TD that Edgar deigns to foist on the world as being new and worthwhile
simply by virtue of its being TANGENT-ized and therefore new -- or at
least bait for completists who simply must have every version of a song
they already know that they like to begin with. ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 4:42
am
Subject: KEEP Ending with Glaeken Carrying Molasar...surfaces?
I just received the following e-mail:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Subject: the keep
Hiya,
I actually have a copy of the film on VHS cassette. I'm fairly sure I
remember G carrying M down(it's been sometime since I watched it)in the
end. I'm not sure if it's what you want though. Do you mean the very
bottom of the keep or just into the keep? I'd be willing to dub you a
copy for a colour copy of the video cover as I don't have this. Be
warned though, the sound on the tape isn't so grand. Anyway, I hope mine
is what you need - i'll double check this tonight I think.
Cheers
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 5:40
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] The New Box Set: TANGENT-izing, jiggedy jig! ;)
> Fra: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...]
> Sendt: 12. oktober 2000 03:59
> Emne: [tadream] The New Box Set: TANGENT-izing, jiggedy jig! ;)
> Hey
> The Edgar Apologists
Hehe.... it sounds like some kind of religious movement....'Hey
everyone look it's the 12 Apologists.............' =))))))))))))
Sorry guys, couldn't help it =)))))
Jan
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 6:06
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD News
> From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...]
>
> track etc etc'. Think compilaions/best of. 'Tangents' had the
> same, 4 CD's
> with old material, with added sounds + a CD containing unreleased
> material,
> and everybody bought the CD. Why bitch about it now????. But, yes it is
Well I didn't bought it.
Nor did I bought any of the compilations.
And I'm not bitching about these compilations, I'm just saying
that I won't buy it for just a few new tracks...thats all.
> allways to expensive, and you wish it would be cheaper. But it's
> not and as
> long as people keep buying stuff at these prices it will never
> change. This
> is a money bussiness, and the recordcompanies do it for the money.
If this is so, then I will support TD no more.
What happened to actually doing music for your own (and others)
pleasure. If it is just for the money then the music will suffer
from it. (imo)
Marcel
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 6:48
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
From: James E. Jacoby
> How is this different than any other box set release out there
It's different for one screamingly obvious reason that both you and Jan seem to
have missed ;-). If you're interested in this box set purely as a compilation,
then fine. But be honest, how many people here are far more interested in the
unrelease concert material that's being included?
Most TD fans here are desperate for Edgar to release as many of these old
concert sets as possible. I've seen it posted here over and over again. 'Why
don't they just raid the archives and release a concert a month? how about all
the 70's concerts? I'd kill for a box set of the 80's gigs' etc etc. So would I.
It seems to me just a little bit cruel of Edgar to release another one of these
concerts as part of a highly expensive compilation box set. Granted, music
companies are 'in it to make money', but that doesn't excuse them when they slap
the fans in the face so obviously.
If Edgar releases this concert as a single disc a month or two after the box
set, fantastic, but somehow I doubt that'll happen. And even if it does, the die
hard fans who buy this box set just for the unreleased concert are going to feel
mighty stupid.
Maff
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 7:41
am
Subject: Past & present
Matthew Sawyer wrote:
> If Edgar releases this concert as a single disc a month or two after the box
> set, fantastic, but somehow I doubt that'll happen.
In radio interviews I listened to Edgar said quite a few times that he has no
real
interest in releasing older live material, especially from the 70's. To him
these
days are gone, and I don't think the TD community will ever witness the release
of
huge box sets full of 'vintage' music from the past (like those from Klaus
Schulze).
And given the prolific output from the TDI label over the last 2 or 3 years I
assume
that Edgar just doesn't have the time and nerves to listen to endless hours of
tapes
to decide what might be good enough to get released and what doesn't.
To me albums like 'Sohoman' or 'Soundmill Navigator' seem more like
concessions to
the constant demand of TD fans who don't want to listen to lousy audience tapes
no
more ;-)
Whatever the 'Perth' concert on the I-Box turns out to be (Perth 1975 or 1982),
most
likely it will get the 'Ed treatment' again, but since I am a helpless TD
junkie I
will lay out my cash once more to get the Box set. Saying 'if you don't like it
don't buy it' may sound a bit arrogant but it's true.
> And even if it does, the die hard fans who buy this box set just for the
> unreleased concert are going to feel mighty stupid.
don't call me stupid! ;-))
Heiko
P.S.: only 500 copies of the first pressing run will be sold at the 'Ground
Liftaz'
event....so when I'm standing at the merchandise counter... get off my back!!
;-)
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@N...
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 8:38
am
Subject: RE:Box set was RE: [tadream] Re: TD News
Here is an other..
Bert
> ----------
> From: Carl Kearney[SMTP:Carljk@b...]
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 00:23
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
>
>
>
> I for one am getting a little bit sick of this Box set bullshit ,
>
> just give us the unreleased material on a separate disk.
>
> Here's one TD fan that wont be rushing to the shops to order it .
>
From:
joe@t...
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 11:15
am
Subject: Re: new vinyl releases
>...when men were men and played keyboards and women played sax...
He he he!!
That was a good one there, Jared!
=) Johan, Stockholm, Sweden
From:
'Miguel Farah F.'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 3:14
pm
Subject: Re: Box set was RE: Re: TD News
>
>Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:38:44 +0200
> From: Bert.Hulshoff@N...
>Subject: RE:Box set was RE: Re: TD News
>
>Here is an other..
Three.
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 3:31
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...]
> Sendt: 12. oktober 2000 08:07
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: RE: [tadream] Re: TD News
> > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> >
> > track etc etc'. Think compilaions/best of. 'Tangents' had the
> > same, 4 CD's
> > with old material, with added sounds + a CD containing unreleased
> > material,
> > and everybody bought the CD. Why bitch about it now????. But, yes it is
> Well I didn't bought it.
> Nor did I bought any of the compilations.
> And I'm not bitching about these compilations, I'm just saying
> that I won't buy it for just a few new tracks...thats all.
I was not referring to you in particulary. I was aiming this at the people
that buy all the stuff, compilations, best of etc etc, and then they keep on
ranting about how bad it is and they won't buy the new box containing a lot
of old material that has been Tangenized when all they have to do is pull
out the old recordings in their drawer and listen to that instead.
> > allways to expensive, and you wish it would be cheaper. But it's
> > not and as
> > long as people keep buying stuff at these prices it will never
> > change. This
> > is a money bussiness, and the recordcompanies do it for the money.
>
> If this is so, then I will support TD no more.
> What happened to actually doing music for your own (and others)
> pleasure. If it is just for the money then the music will suffer
> from it. (imo)
I said the recordcompanies. In this case the recordcompany is TD, but you
have to remember it's a living for them, they also have bills to pay, etc
etc. Granted they have enough to pay a lot of bills, but if they can make
money on their music, they will, who wouldn't??? And I agree with you that
it can seriously affect the music, because when you go prof you have to be
shure that the next album will sell, to make your living and the risk is
that the music could be to polished.
Jan
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 3:32
pm
Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> Fra: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...]
> Sendt: 12. oktober 2000 08:48
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> From: James E. Jacoby
> It's different for one screamingly obvious reason that both you
> and Jan seem to
> have missed ;-). If you're interested in this box set purely as a
> compilation,
> then fine. But be honest, how many people here are far more
> interested in the
> unrelease concert material that's being included?
No, all I am saying is that, why on earth keep on ranting how bad a release
from TD is, when all you have to do is NOT buy it
I can't remember when I last heard a general good review of a TD-album made
in recent years ( not saing this to get comments on that they haven't
released anything good ) I just get the feeling that the TD-material that is
good is before mid 80' and everytime a new album is released all the threads
is about how bad it is and that the old material is much better. Well, that
music won't come back, enjoy it, but look at the new material with fresh
eyes, remembering where TD is today and review it then.
Jan
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 4:01
pm
Subject: RE:Td News,New box-set etc. plus CDR
Some remarkable inputs in this thread with many names. I cannot for the life
of me understand how record buyers can defend the repetitive issuing of
compilation albums with added unreleased material.
It is ugly business, many artists admit this but record companies demand it
and bla.. bla..bla, so they go ahead and release them anyway.
I am not the fan who collect every available pressing of each record but I
have always been interested in buying unreleased material. Now in order to
get that I have needed to buy various identical, or almost identical,
versions of famous TD-pieces. This has been necessary because of this bad
habit of adding unreleased material to compilations. Now, it's time again,
not much more than a year since the latest collection was released.
The argument: 'If you don't like it, don't buy it' seems out of place here
to say the least. I DO want the new material but not the sixth version of
Wahn, if you get it.
Defend new TD, defend old TD, defend Edgar, defend Jerome but come on; don't
defend sheer greed.
In the discussion of Bootlegs/CDr:s - another discussion but to me a close
neigbour so I am making it one big happy discussion here -
Morgan wrote:
>James, it is our responsibility as Tangerine Dream fans to try to stop
>>>the profiteering from bootleg concert material. Not to feed into it.
Ok, but by selling unreleased live recordings only in a package where the
bulk of the material is 'evergreens' the people at TDI give bootleggers the
upper hand. It's as simple as that. Now I might be a really ugly old fan but
I am beginning to feel profiteered on myself so if I want the unreleased
stuff but not the 'retrospective' once again, I'll have to go for a copy of
the original or an unofficial recording of the same concert.
Horrible, yes but a consumer point of view, if we lower the moral flags for
a moment, understandable.
- A neighbour told me that he couldn't understand why I buy my pizza about a
mile from home when I can get it at a place within a one minut walk from
home. 'You should support this guy in order for him to continue his
business. It's great to have it close to home'.
The problem is that I like the guy, I like the place but the other guy, a
mile away, makes better pizzas. -
>Vic wrote:
>I think the attacks are unjust. And I advise the fans to not start a
>thread down this path. Free CD-R trading may be nice for those with
>lot's of free time on their hands (plus the HW & SW to do it), but many
>of us do not have that time or access. So let's not tell one another
>what we should do
I fully agree, no need to add anything. Luckily so, this message is already
close to a daily digest in itself.
/Olle
np: Ramp - Nodular (Highly recommended)
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 4:11
pm
Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
>From: 'Pergamon'
>No, all I am saying is that, why on earth keep on ranting how bad a release
>from TD is, when all you have to do is NOT buy it
>
>I can't remember when I last heard a general good review of a TD-album made
>in recent years
I judge every TD album with an open mind. Dream Mixes I and II are
excellent, and Oasis, Zoning, Goblin's Club and Mars Polaris each have their
moments (typically 1-2 tracks).
>I just get the feeling that the TD-material that is
>good is before mid 80' and everytime a new album is released all the
>threads
>is about how bad it is and that the old material is much better. Well, that
>music won't come back, enjoy it, but look at the new material with fresh
>eyes, remembering where TD is today and review it then.
You CAN tell the quality of TD by the calendar year printed on the label. Is
that so offensive to you and TD to hear? Maybe the truth hurts.
-Morgan
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 5:07
pm
Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> Sendt: 12. oktober 2000 18:11
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> >I just get the feeling that the TD-material that is
> >good is before mid 80' and everytime a new album is released all the
> >threads
> >is about how bad it is and that the old material is much better.
> Well, that
> >music won't come back, enjoy it, but look at the new material with fresh
> >eyes, remembering where TD is today and review it then.
>
> You CAN tell the quality of TD by the calendar year printed on
> the label. Is
> that so offensive to you and TD to hear? Maybe the truth hurts.
Hello Morgan
If you look at the technical side of TD-music, the old stuff is in fact
just sequencers with layers of strings and sfx-sounds and bad
studiorecordings. The music today is more complex, and better recordings. Do
not get me wrong, I like the old stuff myself, but as you do I look at every
TD-release with open mind and review it, for what they are today. This has
nothing to do with me being offended by the 'thruth', thruth in whos
eyes????. If I get you right you speak of what TD-era you like, and what era
each and everyone of us likes. I am trying to point out that I was tired
reading all the threads saying old=good new=bad, whenever there has been a
new TD-release. It is difficult to compare TD-music from the 70' with
TD-music from the 90', because there is different people involved. It is not
FFS or FFB, playing today, so it is hard to say if it is better now than 20
years ago. TD has new musicians, with a different look at the music. Yes you
can discuss whether you like the old stuff better than the new, but that was
not was I was trying to discuss. All I was pointing out was all the 'hate'
towards Edgars way of doing things today. He will do whatever he pleases and
we cannot do anything about that. So if there is a CD we don't like then
just don't buy it, don't keep on ranting how bad it is.
Jan
>
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 5:13
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] RE:Td News,New box-set etc. plus CDR
> The argument: 'If you don't like it, don't buy it' seems out of place here
> to say the least. I DO want the new material but not the sixth version of
> Wahn, if you get it.
This is exactly my point, you hate the fact that you have to pay for another
version of an undesirable WAHN, but hey...you have allready bought 6, so why
be mad because you have to buy the 7. You have allready spend a lot of money
by buying 6 versions, which probably has the same tracks, but is different
releases etc etc. So if you are a collector you will just get another
version to get your collection bigger. So why be mad????
Jan
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 5:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE:Td News,New box-set etc. plus CDR
No Doubt!!
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:01 AM
Subject: [tadream] RE:Td News,New box-set etc. plus CDR
> Some remarkable inputs in this thread with many names. I cannot for the
life
> of me understand how record buyers can defend the repetitive issuing of
> compilation albums with added unreleased material.
>
> It is ugly business, many artists admit this but record companies demand
it
> and bla.. bla..bla, so they go ahead and release them anyway.
>
> I am not the fan who collect every available pressing of each record but I
> have always been interested in buying unreleased material. Now in order to
> get that I have needed to buy various identical, or almost identical,
> versions of famous TD-pieces. This has been necessary because of this bad
> habit of adding unreleased material to compilations. Now, it's time again,
> not much more than a year since the latest collection was released.
>
> The argument: 'If you don't like it, don't buy it' seems out of place here
> to say the least. I DO want the new material but not the sixth version of
> Wahn, if you get it.
>
> Defend new TD, defend old TD, defend Edgar, defend Jerome but come on;
don't
> defend sheer greed.
>
> In the discussion of Bootlegs/CDr:s - another discussion but to me a
close
> neigbour so I am making it one big happy discussion here -
> Morgan wrote:
> >James, it is our responsibility as Tangerine Dream fans to try to stop
> >>>the profiteering from bootleg concert material. Not to feed into it.
>
> Ok, but by selling unreleased live recordings only in a package where the
> bulk of the material is 'evergreens' the people at TDI give bootleggers
the
> upper hand. It's as simple as that. Now I might be a really ugly old fan
but
> I am beginning to feel profiteered on myself so if I want the unreleased
> stuff but not the 'retrospective' once again, I'll have to go for a copy
of
> the original or an unofficial recording of the same concert.
> Horrible, yes but a consumer point of view, if we lower the moral flags
for
> a moment, understandable.
>
> - A neighbour told me that he couldn't understand why I buy my pizza about
a
> mile from home when I can get it at a place within a one minut walk from
> home. 'You should support this guy in order for him to continue his
> business. It's great to have it close to home'.
> The problem is that I like the guy, I like the place but the other guy, a
> mile away, makes better pizzas. -
>
>
> >Vic wrote:
> >I think the attacks are unjust. And I advise the fans to not start a
> >thread down this path. Free CD-R trading may be nice for those with
> >lot's of free time on their hands (plus the HW & SW to do it), but many
> >of us do not have that time or access. So let's not tell one another
> >what we should do
>
> I fully agree, no need to add anything. Luckily so, this message is
already
> close to a daily digest in itself.
>
> /Olle
>
> np: Ramp - Nodular (Highly recommended)
>
>
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 5:31
pm
Subject: [tadream] TD concert listing
Hi all,
You'll be pleased to know that there is now a draft copy of the list giving
all known TD concert dates ever:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
Please don't hesitate to contact me with any comments, but especially with
corrections!
Paul
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 5:39
pm
Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
Pergamon,
> If you look at the technical side of TD-music, the old stuff is in fact
>just sequencers with layers of strings and sfx-sounds and bad
>studiorecordings. The music today is more complex, and better recordings.
That point is irrelevant. Music is not about technique or complexity, but
about emotions. To say that the old stuff is 'just sequencers' is a huge
offence to people who like that music better. I am an old-school TD fan
myself and even the most 'simple' (in your book) music can be the most
difficult to create. In fact, ask any musician and they will tell you that
simple music that *works* is the most difficult thing to make.
Also, if your equipment is limited, the composer/musician must be more
creative to fill all the corners. Today it is so easy to do everything.
>It is difficult to compare TD-music from the 70' with
>TD-music from the 90', because there is different people involved. It is
not
>FFS or FFB, playing today, so it is hard to say if it is better now than 20
>years ago. TD has new musicians, with a different look at the music.
Any normal band that changed so much would actually change their name. TD is
today a whole different genre than before. If you go from jazz to techno you
would normally change your band name because when the concept of your band
is new, its not good too associate it with an old concept. I think the
Froese's kept their old name because - face it - if they started out now
with a new name and changed into The Froese's they would have problems
getting a record deal.......
They would end up as Yanni backing musicians. Nobody wants that, hehe
Glenn
www.jmjfkn.com
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
www.egroups.com/group/pspusers
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 6:10
pm
Subject: Re: Quality by year (was 'Re: Re: Sv: Re: Sv: Re: Re: Sv: TD News' or something like that)
In a message dated 10/12/00 12:17:16 PM, feldon23@h... writes:
>You CAN tell the quality of TD by the calendar year printed on the label.
>Is that so offensive to you and TD to hear? Maybe the truth hurts.
...excuse me? Last I checked, the quality of art was subjective. Maybe YOU
can tell the quality of an album based on the year of release, but I know for
a fact that I like Tyranny of Beauty more than I like Encore, even though the
mid-late '70s albums are normally my favorites.
--Daniel
NP: Chrome--Third from the Sun
From:
horrod6
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 6:09
pm
Subject: Re: SV: Re: TD News
Pergamon wrote:
> I will point to
> Edgars words: 'If you don't like it, don't buy it'. Instead of all the
> negative reviews, regarding new releases, try to look at what it is,
and
> what TD has become, not what it was.
Jan, I partially agree with you, but partially disagree. I agree that
there is little point being negative before the event - unless you want
to use this list as a way of communicating to TDI that the proposed
format or content of an upcoming release doesn't meet with your approval
- in which case why not contact them direct?
But how can I refrain from buying what I don't like if I don't know
whether I'm going to like it or not? A review on this list from a member
with similar tastes to mine helps me to decide whether or not I'm likely
to like something, and thus to make an informed buying decision. I'm not
going to stop buying TD because I dislike one particular release - the
next one may be brilliant! But if it weren't for this list, I would have
wasted (in my opinion) my hard-earned dough on Soundmill Navigator
instead of saving it to buy Antique Dreams with.
So I say keep posting those negative reviews - it's useful information,
once you've worked out who on the list likes the same sort of stuff as
you do. (Oh, and remember to post the positive ones too!)
LnH
Marion
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 6:50
pm
Subject: Why they've kept the TD name
Glenn Folkvord wrote:
> I think the Froese's kept their old name because - face it - if they started
> out now
> with a new name and changed into The Froese's they would have problems
> getting a record deal.......
I don't think they're too worried about that, considering that they publish
their own music now.
On the other hand, TD is an established brand name, and when one of their new
discs makes its way into record stores, people who may remember them as 'that
band that did the Risky Business music' might pick it up. Something by 'Froese
and Son', in all likelihood, would not generate a similar response.
I'm staying out of the current debate about the forthcoming box set, since an
official announcement about it has yet to be made. But I did send a letter to
the TDI offices a couple of days ago, outlining my concerns about it.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 7:37
pm
Subject: Re: Edgar doesn't wanna do vintage live releases
<>
Well, if taking a fan poll on the website for the
purposes of a choosing a show to release legit,
and going to the simple process of preparing such
a release (Hey, we're not looking for something
audiophile, just an upgrade from the audience
tapes we have now), then I think he shouldn't
whine about bootlegs. If The Grateful Dead can do
it, surely Edgar can do it.
=====
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 4:08
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
>From: 'Pergamon'
>I said the recordcompanies. In this case the recordcompany is TD, but you
>have to remember it's a living for them, they also have bills to pay, etc
>etc. Granted they have enough to pay a lot of bills, but if they can make
>money on their music, they will, who wouldn't???
Tangerine Dream's best bet to make a STACK of cash is to release all their
old concerts and make some serious effort to get them hyped in the USA.
They would make soooo much more money than these boxed sets, and people
would love them for it.
I don't know what the H*LL TD's problem is.
-Morgan
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 8:24
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
Feldon Feldon wrote:
> Tangerine Dream's best bet to make a STACK of cash is to release all their
> old concerts and make some serious effort to get them hyped in the USA.
>
> They would make soooo much more money than these boxed sets, and people
> would love them for it.
>
> I don't know what the H*LL TD's problem is.
I don't know what goes on behind closed doors at TDI Headquarters, but I'll
tell you what *I* think their problem is.
First of all, it seems that Edgar still fancies himself to be a visionary...a
leader of the electronic music revolution. In this mindset, he can not allow
himself to be seen acknowledging that anything he did in the past was any
good. Every step must be a step forward - a radical step! He never looks
back! So when he does lower himself to releasing older material, he has to
sprinkle some of his current musical spices on it, since this makes the old
tunes new and revolutionary - like everything else TD still puts out, of
course.
Secondly, I think there are simple economic factors. I'm betting that head
office did some number crunching, and decided that there was more money to be
made getting all the die hards to buy Booster Packages than in mounting an
expensive P.R. campaign to get the band back in the public eye. The band is
out of critical favour too, so they couldn't count on support from the media.
Their current path is a safe one. They know that the die hards will buy
anything that they put out. Edgar can perform his revolutionary hocus pocus
on everything, they can charge 200 bucks, the fans can complain how much it
sucks, and yet they still sell. As long as this continues to be the case,
don't expect a change in TDI's practices.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 8:37
pm
Subject: Re: TD News
Heh...an hour and a half ago, I sent out a message stating that I wanted to stay
out of the current box set debate, and then I just make a statement that seems
to
put me right into it. :-) In my defense, I should say that was thinking
specifically about TD's attitude towards older live material, and not so much
about the whole 'you have to buy this expensive set to get a disc of goodies'
practice....so I hope I'm not seen as a complete hypocrite.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 8:32
pm
Subject: Sv: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
I for one think that there's another issue in this as well. Some of you lot
have a great amount of TD material, mainly concerts, but I'm not in the same
position to say so. I'm dependend on any TDI ( or whatever ) release that
contains previously unreleased material, just to get a slight chance of
listening to the stuff that some of you posses. I quite agree that it would be
fine with Edgar releasing old concert material. IMO please do, Edgar, please.
But please don't forget the fact that some of us do not have the possibilities
to get our hands to these concertrecording that many of you 'old' hardcore fans
have. I know it costs a lot of dough, and spending a sh*itload of money because
of 2 or 3 unreleased tracks is serious business. But, hey, with all new
recordingsystems ( need I mention the CDR's ) it wouldn't be no problem to
share these tracks between those of you who don't wish to buy it :o). No need
for bitching, sharing can be fine as well, IMHO.
And I agree with Jan on the fact that TD is very different now than during the
e.g. Virgin period. I happen to like most of TD's music (
not-very-hard-to-please person I am ). But I tend to look at it from a 'well
here's a new release, what's it like ' view, and it helps ! Sure I got my
favourites and most of them are in fact from the virginperiod, but that doesn't
mean that I dislike the new material.
Poul
> How is this different than any other box set release out there
>
> It's different for one screamingly obvious reason that both you and Jan seem
to
> have missed ;-). If you're interested in this box set purely as a compilation,
> then fine. But be honest, how many people here are far more interested in the
> unrelease concert material that's being included?
>
> Most TD fans here are desperate for Edgar to release as many of these old
> concert sets as possible
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 9:25
pm
Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
<'They would end up as Yanni backing musicians. Nobody wants that, he he>
Hey hey! Be careful what you say and imply here :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Glenn Folkvord'
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:39 AM
Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> Pergamon,
>
> > If you look at the technical side of TD-music, the old stuff is in
fact
> >just sequencers with layers of strings and sfx-sounds and bad
> >studiorecordings. The music today is more complex, and better recordings.
>
> That point is irrelevant. Music is not about technique or complexity, but
> about emotions. To say that the old stuff is 'just sequencers' is a huge
> offence to people who like that music better. I am an old-school TD fan
> myself and even the most 'simple' (in your book) music can be the most
> difficult to create. In fact, ask any musician and they will tell you that
> simple music that *works* is the most difficult thing to make.
>
> Also, if your equipment is limited, the composer/musician must be more
> creative to fill all the corners. Today it is so easy to do everything.
>
> >It is difficult to compare TD-music from the 70' with
> >TD-music from the 90', because there is different people involved. It is
> not
> >FFS or FFB, playing today, so it is hard to say if it is better now than
20
> >years ago. TD has new musicians, with a different look at the music.
>
> Any normal band that changed so much would actually change their name. TD
is
> today a whole different genre than before. If you go from jazz to techno
you
> would normally change your band name because when the concept of your band
> is new, its not good too associate it with an old concept. I think the
> Froese's kept their old name because - face it - if they started out now
> with a new name and changed into The Froese's they would have problems
> getting a record deal.......
>
> They would end up as Yanni backing musicians. Nobody wants that, hehe
>
> Glenn
>
> www.jmjfkn.com
> www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
> www.egroups.com/group/pspusers
>
>
>
>
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>
>
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 9:19
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Why they've kept the TD name
Sean,
>I don't think they're too worried about that, considering that they publish
>their own music now.
They also need distribution and promotion, which is part of a record deal.
Anybody can 'publish' their own music on their own label but they still need
connections to the industry. Their old TD name gives them that.
>On the other hand, TD is an established brand name, and when one of their
new
>discs makes its way into record stores, people who may remember them as
'that
>band that did the Risky Business music' might pick it up. Something by
'Froese
>and Son', in all likelihood, would not generate a similar response.
Exactly, but when the people who remember Tangram or Logos pick up a new CD
they are shocked to hear the new style, perhaps to the extent that they want
to take the CD back because it doesnt deliver what the buyer hoped. It is
illegal to sell things under false advertising.
Glenn
www.jmjfkn.com
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
www.egroups.com/group/pspusers
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 10:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: SV: Re: TD News
In all our communications between us Marion, I've always liked your logic
and persuasive reasoning manners, maybe you should have been an attorney
instead :-) Or how about being our liaison from this list and go to Eddie
on our behalf and maybe you can make some headway for us. Maybe even throw
in some of your feminine charm, which some of you women are so aptly capable
of :-), since us men we're not getting anywhere with him, if we could ever
agree on anything :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'horrod6'
To: 'tadream@o...'
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:09 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: SV: Re: TD News
> Pergamon wrote:
>
> > I will point to
> > Edgars words: 'If you don't like it, don't buy it'. Instead of all the
>
> > negative reviews, regarding new releases, try to look at what it is,
> and
> > what TD has become, not what it was.
>
> Jan, I partially agree with you, but partially disagree. I agree that
> there is little point being negative before the event - unless you want
> to use this list as a way of communicating to TDI that the proposed
> format or content of an upcoming release doesn't meet with your approval
> - in which case why not contact them direct?
>
> But how can I refrain from buying what I don't like if I don't know
> whether I'm going to like it or not? A review on this list from a member
> with similar tastes to mine helps me to decide whether or not I'm likely
> to like something, and thus to make an informed buying decision. I'm not
> going to stop buying TD because I dislike one particular release - the
> next one may be brilliant! But if it weren't for this list, I would have
> wasted (in my opinion) my hard-earned dough on Soundmill Navigator
> instead of saving it to buy Antique Dreams with.
>
> So I say keep posting those negative reviews - it's useful information,
> once you've worked out who on the list likes the same sort of stuff as
> you do. (Oh, and remember to post the positive ones too!)
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
>
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 7:19
pm
Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
>From: 'Pergamon'
>
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> >
> > You CAN tell the quality of TD by the calendar year printed on
> > the label. Is
> > that so offensive to you and TD to hear? Maybe the truth hurts.
>
>Hello Morgan
>
> If you look at the technical side of TD-music, the old stuff is in fact
>just sequencers with layers of strings and sfx-sounds and bad
>studiorecordings. The music today is more complex, and better recordings.
Ok, let me turn around and completely take the release year out of the
equation.
Good music, not just Tangerine Dream, has an open space to it. A part of the
music that's not even really there. A part that you fill in with your head.
Have you ever found yourself humming a TD tune and find that when you play
it back, it's only got half the notes that the version in your head does?
This is no mistake.
There are intentional holes in everything good that TD has done. These holes
give your brain a workout. They suck you in and don't let you go. These
holes are non-existant on the majority of recent stuff. EVERY note that you
*think* is going to be played *IS* played. Predictability is the death knell
of recent TD. Even the good bits on Mars Polaris suffer from this. It's
overenthusiasm of sound if anything. A lack of self discipline that Chris
Franke, Peter Baumann, and Joahnnes Schmoelling had. If you look back, it
was ALWAYS Edgar doing the melodic wandering bits. While the other 2 legs of
the wondrous 3 legged table called TD used their crayons (no matter how
crude) within the lines. I've often felt that present TD is just an
evolution of Edgar's solo works. Listen to them again. They're melodic to a
fault.
Evolution within a song is also a big problem. Changing too fast, changing
without a chance to take a breath, changing from a fast idea to an even
faster idea without a break, or plodding for hours with no destination in
mind. There's something wrong when the first 30 seconds of the song, the
middle 30 seconds of the song, and the last 30 seconds of the song have
evolved so little that they could be interchanged with no loss to the music.
The evolution I mention above is all the things I think of when I think of
recent TD. These are things I notice in a LOT of music (TD or otherwise)
that ends up staying in jewel cases instead of being well-worn. There's no
pacing. Movie directors don't grow on trees. Good ones with really good
pacing are the ones making the big dollar movies (as well as the indie
movies that we feverishly track down and buy, or watch on IFC, Sundance,
etc.) They take us for a ride, but a ride we can handle.
I will definately give that present TD is much more complicated than the old
ever was. I will take exception to this on one point. When's the last time
you had a chill go up your spine with the mastery of shifting sequences
listening to a TD track? It's been a long time for me (aside from the red
herring tracks Flashflood and Waterbourne on Oasis).
It's not old vs. new. It's flash over substance.
Let's take all the post-1988 equipment away from TD for a couple months.
Either they'll go crazy, or realize that 'hey, this old beat-up stuff can do
good stuff'. Self-discipline my friends, is the answer.
Morgan
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From:
'Carl Kearney'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 10:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Embittered fans (was 'Re: TD News')
> Okay, I'm not saying your complaint won't be valid in a few weeks, but
come
> on--you don't even know what tracks are on it. Who says the retrospective
is
> all released material? Sure, it might be, but nobody knows. Can't you at
> least wait for the track listing before declaring it bullshit?
NO !!!!!!!!!!
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 10:35
pm
Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
>From: 'Feldon Feldon'
>Let's take all the post-1988 equipment away from TD for a couple months.
>Either they'll go crazy, or realize that 'hey, this old beat-up stuff can
>do
>good stuff'. Self-discipline my friends, is the answer.
I just had a thought:
'Survivor II: Tangerine Dream'
Alone on an island with nothing but 1970's and early 1980's gear.
We'll even provide food (no rats on the menu tonight!)!
-Morgan
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From:
'Carl Kearney'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 10:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
( SNIP )> TDI, buy the CD somewhere else. Don't bitch about something where
you have
> the option not to buy it. I don't buy through TDI, for several reasons.
One
> of them is that I don't want the T-shirts or whatever they can include.
Stop
> bitching and let's get on with TD, as they are today.
>
> > Here's one TD fan that wont be rushing to the shops to order it .
>
> Then don't!!!
> Just had to have this of my chest. =)
Well here we go again , who said I wanted a t - shirt , who even said I
bought from TDI , and for that matter who said I dont like the new TD
????????
If you want to take this to a personal level you have my mail address other
wise read the original mail before you post your opinions my friend
!!!!!!!!!!
' Orch '
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From:
Totta Rydqvist
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 11:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert listing
HI
Thanks paul this is just what i want, and i hope every little live gig will
show up in this list finaly.
Thanks
Totta
Paul Fellows wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> You'll be pleased to know that there is now a draft copy of the list giving
> all known TD concert dates ever:
>
> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
>
> Please don't hesitate to contact me with any comments, but especially with
> corrections!
>
> Paul
>
>
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 11:22
pm
Subject: RE: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
>
> There are intentional holes in everything good that TD has done.
> These holes
> give your brain a workout. They suck you in and don't let you go. These
> holes are non-existant on the majority of recent stuff. EVERY
> note that you
> *think* is going to be played *IS* played. Predictability is the
> death knell
> of recent TD. Even the good bits on Mars Polaris suffer from this. It's
> overenthusiasm of sound if anything. A lack of self discipline that Chris
> Franke, Peter Baumann, and Joahnnes Schmoelling had. If you look back, it
> was ALWAYS Edgar doing the melodic wandering bits. While the
> other 2 legs of
> the wondrous 3 legged table called TD used their crayons (no matter how
> crude) within the lines. I've often felt that present TD is just an
> evolution of Edgar's solo works. Listen to them again. They're
> melodic to a
> fault.
>
>
> Evolution within a song is also a big problem. Changing too fast,
> changing
> without a chance to take a breath, changing from a fast idea to an even
> faster idea without a break, or plodding for hours with no destination in
> mind. There's something wrong when the first 30 seconds of the song, the
> middle 30 seconds of the song, and the last 30 seconds of the song have
> evolved so little that they could be interchanged with no loss to
> the music.
(snip)
I completely...completely and completely agree with this.
Sorry can't add anything else to this.
The music is just too 'crowded' for me, every millisecond
has sound/music.
Maybe thats why I like the new Radiohead so much...it has
space.
Remember the track 'The Tourist'...'hey man, slow down' it
said and thats something I can translate to a lot of music
today (not only TD).
(or maybe I'm getting old hahaha...well 27 is old isn't it?)
Marcel
From:
'Steve'
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2000 11:35
pm
Subject: RE: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
Feldon said:
> Good music, not just Tangerine Dream, has an open space to it. A
> part of the
> music that's not even really there. A part that you fill in with
> your head.
> Have you ever found yourself humming a TD tune and find that when
> you play
> it back, it's only got half the notes that the version in your head does?
This is exactly why I like Soundmill Navigator so much. The music (whether
it be mid seventies or late nineties) so often hints a melodies that aren't
there or even depends on a melody that exists only in your head... There
have been so many times that I've tried to work out what that goddam tune is
that keeps going through my head and it's one of the unstated melodies from
SN... Now if I only had the musical knowledge and sense of pitch to
reproduce that melody (but that damn thing keeps changing!)...
Oh... I hate to admit it... but I finally heard THAT noise on SN. My hearing
isn't terribly good, but having lived in flats with poor soundproofing for
quite some time I've learned to listen to music at low volume levels. And
sure enough I heard it. It's annoying, yes, but if I can ignore the sound of
our cats demanding yet another meal (you expect us to eat this shit?) I can
ignore that...
Steve
http://www.beartrap.btinternet.co.uk/
From:
Jared White
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 1:30
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD News + Sequential Circuits synths
> -----Original Message-----
Hi, Morgan,
> There are intentional holes in everything good that TD has done.
> These holes
> give your brain a workout. They suck you in and don't let you go. These
> holes are non-existant on the majority of recent stuff. EVERY
> note that you
> *think* is going to be played *IS* played. Predictability is the
> death knell
> of recent TD. Even the good bits on Mars Polaris suffer from this.
OK, I'd have to agree with you on this for most of Mars Polaris, but,
generally, I disagree in regards to other recent work. For instance, What a
Blast/Architecture in Motion, IMHO, is *chock-full* of holes. In fact, it's
almost too minimalist in spots -- an actual failing of the album. Just about
every time I listen to that album, I'm amazed at what ISN'T played that I
seem to remember. I hummed parts of that album for quite some time before I
realized I was humming notes that weren't there. It almost made me mad --
'hey, ya bums, you ruined my favorite part!' ;)
And there are many more examples I could cite. Such as Seven Letters from
Tibet, which I think is very open and spacious. I don't know that there are
any sections where I remember more music than there really is, but it
certainly isn't 'all filled up' and no room left for the imagination.
As for a previous quote from another message of yours: 'You CAN tell the
quality of TD by the calendar year printed on the label. Is that so
offensive to you and TD to hear? Maybe the truth hurts.' -- I just gotta
laugh at that one. So you actually think you know the truth about TD's music
above all others, eh? And I thought *I* was arrogant! :)
This subject is quickly becoming overblown on both sides methinks. I know
I've been a *staunch* supporter of modern TD endeavors in the past, and I
still am to some extent, but I can see truth on *both* sides of the
argument, and everyone has valid points to make (even you, Morgan! :) ).
Let's just move on, OK? I'm sure there are many other interesting TD-related
subjects to talk about, such as anyone know which model(s) of Sequential
Circuits synths TD used in the 70's/80's besides the Prophet 5?
No offense, Morgan et. al.?
Regards,
Jared
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 1:39
am
Subject: The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
This really pisses me off. Six years ago, I tried to track down
who it was who posted about a friend who'd sold a copy of THE KEEP LP
for $200, but nobody -- including David Datta -- lifted a finger to
help me. Goddamn it! Does anybody have access to the tadream postings
from 1993????
I have to switch my 9-year e-mail account to Juno.com in about
two months, so I'm transfering the important files I have. Here is
the one that has me steamed right now:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 14:34:45 EDT
From: Steven Feldman
Subject: Re Someone Whose Friend Had THE KEEP
To: David Datta
Dear David,
Could you possibly search the tadream database for me for entries
from about a year ago from someone whose friend had a copy of THE KEEP
but sold it to a collector in Japan for $200? I want to contact the
person who posted about it so that I can ask his friend if he'd allow me
to write to the Japanese collector in order to request a cassette copy
of the music and photocopies of the front and back covers of the LP.
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:10
am
Subject: My Choice for 3-CD BEST OF TD Compilation (from 1997!)
I found this at http://www.egroups.com/message/tadream/1202
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
From: tadream mailing list
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 6:48am
Subject: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS'
Really-From: Steven Feldman AR402004@B...
Folks,
To show that my 'whining' about TANGENTS knows no bounds, here is
a copy of a letter I'm firing off to Miramar later today. ;)
-- Steven Feldman ar402004@b...
+ + + + + + +
xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
Miramar
200 Second Avenue West
Seattle, WA 98119
Dear xxxxxxxx
The last time I wrote you, it was to register my dissatisfaction
with the 5-CD set TANGENTS, which I felt was little more that a remix
package with a bonus disc of all-new material disguised as a greatest
hits set--which not only shortchanged newcomers who wished to sample the
band's prior glories but gypped the faithful by forcing them to pay for
5 CDs just to hear the one bonus disc. This time, I'm here to crab
about the 2-CD BOOK OF DREAMS and its augmented incarnation, the DREAM
ROOTS Collection, but like last time, I'm offering a solution that would
be mutually beneficial.
Please indulge me while I demonstrate how run-away remix projects
have resulted in mass confusion and frustration. THE DREAM MIXES
(arguably the best TD release in the last 7 years) at first appeared to
be a fortuitous side-effect of the remixing marathon required for
Tangents, but then the Froese solo BEYOND THE STORM presented us with
another CD's-worth of remixes, and a previously-unreleased soundtrack
called ZONING was issued with Chris Franke's contributions removed (the
most drastic 'remix' of all?), and Miramar's own THE DREAM MIXES was re-
released (in the UK, anyways) with a second CD containing . . . remixes
of remixes!?! Continuing the absurdity, another 2-CD remix set, BOOK OF
DREAMS, was followed by another 5-CD set called the DREAM ROOTS
Collection, which duplicated the 2-CD set while luring the buyer in with
another bonus CD of all-new material. Honestly, if I see one more TD
collection with the word 'dream' in it, I'll scream! Hasn't it occurred
to anyone that no one's released a TD package called GREATEST HITS yet?
Would that Miramar was the outfit to do it.
Complicating matters is the unfortunate fact that the proliferation
of Tangerine Dream compilation packages that feature material only from
the label pressing them ultimately does everyone a disservice, selling
the band short by giving the false impression that the selected material
is representative of their (quality) work as a whole.
What I would really like to see is Miramar--who has yet to issue
their own obligatory TD collection--issuing a 3-CD set of TD's shorter,
punchier tunes (from soundtracks, 45s, and CD-singles, as well as the
regular albums issued by Virgin, MCA, Varese Sarabande, Jive,
Relativity, Private Music, Silva Screen, Miramar, Sequel, etc., ad
nauseum). Such seeming magnanimity would accomplish two things: 1) it
would make people think quite rightly that Miramar is the first
of TD's labels not to parade their crass self-interest with a company-
bound hits package, and 2) it would sell better than all previous
collections by virtue of its having the greatest variety, the greatest
amount of tracks, and all the key recordings that would compel even the
most skittish buyer to buy the collection--thus justifying the resultant
reduction in royalties caused by issuing material owned by competitors.
The popular tracks from the soundtracks alone would do the trick--and you
could include both studio versions of 'Love on a Real Train (Risky
Business)' (the first pressing of the LP has a much different version
than later pressings or the CD) along with the live version on the THREE
PHASE video if you wanted to! And since you'd be using material under
license from other companies, you might as well add in the 'Ultima
Thule' 45 single--and the *real* dream roots: the 'Lady Greengrass' b/w
'Love of Mine' 45 single by Edgar's pre-TD band the Ones.
I am appending to this message a suggested track listing for the
sort of compilation album I am talking about. Granted, the selection is
subjective, but I'm reasonably sure that many of the choices are
universal, given that the purpose of the collection would be to show TD
in the best possible light to the greatest number of people, i.e. with
the well-known, catchy material laden with latent pop appeal (stopping
short of tacky tunes like 'Optical Race' and MELROSE's 'Cool at Heart,'
though, one would hope).
In keeping with representing the entirety of TD+s career, it would
be nice if you included in an accompanying booklet photos of the jacket
artwork from every TD release to date (including the 45, 12', and CD-5
selections featured, as well as alternate jackets like the British
versions of EXIT, NEAR DARK, and SHY PEOPLE). Listing the compilation's
tracks beneath their corresponding jacket images would be even better--
and listing all the tracks beneath each corresponding jacket image with
the compilation+s tracks highlighted in boldface would be better still.
This would serve not only to impress the casual buyer (who would think
he is getting a bargain with a spiffy booklet and such a large selection
from so immense a body of work), but to hook the jaded TD collector (who
would love to have the booklet for quick reference and the CDs to gain
new TD converts), as well! Notice how Virgin has included pictures of
the jacket art from their TD album library inside their Super-Bit-
Mapping TD releases, and how Chris Franke did the same with his PACIFIC
COAST HIGHWAY solo album.
I'll cut the gab, now, and jot down the suggested track listing.
Give it a thought.
Yours truly,
Steven Feldman
Wide-Appeal TD Tunes?
1966 Lady Greengrass (A-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 2:41
1966 Love of Mine (B-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 3:03
1972 Ultima Thule, Part 1 (A-side of the 45) 3:27
1972 Ultima Thule, Part 2 (B-side of the 45) 4:17
1974 Movements of a Visionary (PHAEDRA) 7:54
1977 Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme) (SORCERER) 3:41
1979 Cloudburst Flight (FORCE MAJEURE) 7:21
1980 Beach Theme (THIEF soundtrack) 3:44
1981 Kiew Mission (EXIT) 9:18
1982 White Eagle (WHITE EAGLE) 4:30
1983 Daydream (German 45 [A-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 4:40
Moorland (German 45 [B-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 3:50
Cinnamon Road (HYPERBOREA) 3:54
Rare Bird (UK 12', the sepaparate end of 'Tangent' on POLAND) 3:55
Mojave End Title (WAVELENGTH soundtrack) 4:11
Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; rare version) 2:15
Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; common version) 3:58
1984 Charley the Kid (FIRESTARTER soundtrack) 3:51
Love Theme (THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack) 3:32
Going West (FLASHPOINT soundtrack) 4:10
1985 Gaudi Park (LE PARC) 5:10
Desire (HEARTBREAKERS) 5:38
1986 Dolphin Dance (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) 5:05
1987 Canyon Carver (CANYON DREAMS soundtrack) 4:17
Bus Station (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:15
Mae's Transformation (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:20
Shy People [instrumental version] (SHY PEOPLE soundtrack) 5:04
1988 Mothers of Rain (OPTICAL RACE) 5:13
Sun Gate (OPTICAL RACE) 4:44
1989 Crystal Curfew (LILY ON THE BEACH) 4:57
People in the News (MIRACLE MILE soundtrack) 5:10
1990 Dolls in the Shadow (MELROSE) 5:10
1991 Correlation of Lies (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 3:45
News and Morality (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 4:45
1992 Touchwood (ROCKOON) 4:34
Rockoon--Special Radio Edit (CD-5 [from ROCKOON]) 4:16
1993 Hamlet (220 VOLT LIVE) 8:30
Love on a Real Train (Risky Business) (from THREE PHASE vid) 3:17
1994 Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) 9:45
Story of the Brave (CD-5 [from TURN OF THE TIDES]) 5:17
The Conspiracy (ZONING soundtrack) 5:54
1995 Catwalk (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY) 7:21
Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES) 5:30
1996 Towards the Evening Star (GOBLINS' CLUB) 6:16
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 205 minutes and 35 seconds
Divide 205:35 by 3 (for three CDs), and you get 68:11+--roughly
three 68-minute CDs.
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 5:53
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD News + Sequential Circuits synths
> From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...]
>
> Let's just move on, OK? I'm sure there are many other interesting
> TD-related
> subjects to talk about, such as anyone know which model(s) of Sequential
> Circuits synths TD used in the 70's/80's besides the Prophet 5?
The Pro One in Poland...
Other then that I don't think they used any other
Sequential Circuits synths.
Marcel
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 7:46
am
Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
<< > There are intentional holes in everything good that TD has done.
> These holes
> give your brain a workout. They suck you in and don't let you go. These
> holes are non-existant on the majority of recent stuff. EVERY
> note that you
> *think* is going to be played *IS* played. Predictability is the
> death knell
> of recent TD. Even the good bits on Mars Polaris suffer from this. It's
> overenthusiasm of sound if anything. >>
*I agree.... in fact I had posted a while back on the Beyond_em list about
'Ghost melodies' or melodies that are inferred, but not necessarily there....
although I must point out that simplicity and inspiration are
very difficult to balance... otherwise the tonnage of ambient releases
would be the best music on the planet... I've heard lots of ambient albums
where it sounds like someone held down one note for half an
hour and that IMO is complete crap... I need some musicality and some
craftsmanship to interest me... I like the music to have subtleties
nuances, and a certain amount of detail where you can hear something new on
repeated listenings... however this is not an argument for cramming something
in every hole... Not at all...
I think my most played album is Stratosfear, which I never seem to tire
of.... IMO it has the perfect blend of the qualities I've mentioned.
I mostly agree with every point you made, Morgan, though I had some other
observations.... also IMO it is the chemistry and interaction
between the members that made the whole... There's not three
viewpoints anymore...Jerome's there to be sure, but what's the dynamic... how
hard is he going to disagree with dad?
I still like 7 letters a lot, but that only proves what you're saying to a
degree as it's the most open and airy album they've done in a long
time...Thanks for the thoughts Morgan I think you nailed it.
Poly
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 8:26
am
Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
To say that the old stuff is 'just sequencers' is a huge
> offence to people who like that music better. I am an old-school TD fan
> myself and even the most 'simple' (in your book) music can be the most
> difficult to create. In fact, ask any musician and they will tell you that
> simple music that *works* is the most difficult thing to make.
Hello Glen
I wrote that I liked the old stuff myself, and I am not trying to
offend people. Yes you are right about simple music can be the hardest to
create. This is not the point in what I started out trying to say. All I am
trying to say is look at TD today with positive eyes instead of negative.
Jan
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 8:30
am
Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
Morgan wrote:
> I don't know what the H*LL TD's problem is.
You and me both
Jan
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 8:36
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
Hello Orch
> If you want to take this to a personal level you have my mail
> address other
> wise read the original mail before you post your opinions my friend
> !!!!!!!!!!
>
I was not reffering to you in person, I was speaking in general.
Jan
From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 5:31
pm
Subject: RE: The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
> From: Steven Feldman
>
> This really pisses me off. Six years ago, I tried to track down
> who it was who posted about a friend who'd sold a copy of THE KEEP LP
> for $200, but nobody -- including David Datta -- lifted a finger to
> help me. Goddamn it!
Maybe this is perhaps there was in fact NOBODY who ever sold a copy of
'The Keep' because NOBODY ever held it in his hands... ;*)
Peter
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 12:56
pm
Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
Hello Jan,
> I wrote that I liked the old stuff myself,
Yes I remember that, but..... why do you think the new music is complex when
in fact it is very difficult to write 'simple' music'? Dont confuse 'many
details' with 'complex' - the new music has, like many pointed out here,
less space than the old stuff.
>All I am
>trying to say is look at TD today with positive eyes instead of negative.
I am not going to treat today's TD anything different that old TD. I will
approach every record with the same open mind and then judge. Current TD
doesnt deserve better or different treatment. Just the same as before.
Glenn
www.jmjfkn.com
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
www.egroups.com/group/pspusers
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 1:45
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
Hey Steven-
YES, we all have access to the old archives! Go to
http://www.tadream.net/archives.
So WHO was it that said they held it in their hands, anyway? I remember
someone saying they didn't have the money to buy it when they saw it, then
came back with the money and the album was already sold. My question is,
was it really ever produced?
If it exists, it would be neat to hear, as tape vs. album versions can be
different. I remember the tape version of Tony Carey's 'Pink World' was way
different from the pink-colored album version, for example...
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...]
...
> help me. Goddamn it! Does anybody have access to the
> tadream postings
> from 1993????
>
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
> If it exists, it would be neat to hear, as tape vs. album versions can be
> different. I remember the tape version of Tony Carey's 'Pink World' was
way
> different from the pink-colored album version, for example...
Hey, I have both of those versions, but frankly, I never really listened to
the Pink World LP...what is different?
Maybe it time to convert that LP to CD...
Craig
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:08
pm
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
It's been probably at least 10 years; I don't remember. I think I remember
that it had the same tracklistsing, but the songs just sounded different.
Different mix or something. I liked the album vesion much better, as it was
what I had first. You know how, when you hear something a certain way the
first time and really like it, then when you hear it different, it's not
always good? I'm that way about a lot of classical music (I can never stand
it when Pachelbel's Canon in D is played at it's correct speed- I like it
slowed down!), but not stuff like Grateful Dead, which is _supposed_ to be
different every time. ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...]
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 7:13 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
>
>
> > If it exists, it would be neat to hear, as tape vs. album
> versions can be
> > different. I remember the tape version of Tony Carey's
> 'Pink World' was
> way
> > different from the pink-colored album version, for example...
>
> Hey, I have both of those versions, but frankly, I never
> really listened to
> the Pink World LP...what is different?
>
> Maybe it time to convert that LP to CD...
>
> Craig
>
From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:33
pm
Subject: response to feldman
Popping to the surface long enough to say that Feldman's letter to Miramar
really makes no sense. For starter, to moan about Tangents to Miramar is like
blaming George Bush for Bill Clinton's foreign policy. Virgin was responsible
for Tangents. To suggest that Miramar put out a compilation of songs owned by
numerous other labels is absurd, if you know much about how the music
business works. Miramar didn't exactly strike it rich with TD, and I can't
see how such a release could ever in a million years be financially sensible
to them.
Will someone tell me which previous release Seven Letters most closely
resembles? Zoning? Rumpelstiltskin?
Now submerging...
Really-From: Steven Feldman AR402004@B...
Folks,
To show that my 'whining' about TANGENTS knows no bounds, here is
a copy of a letter I'm firing off to Miramar later today. ;)
-- Steven Feldman ar402004@b...
+ + + + + + +
xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
Miramar
200 Second Avenue West
Seattle, WA 98119
Dear xxxxxxxx
The last time I wrote you, it was to register my dissatisfaction
with the 5-CD set TANGENTS, which I felt was little more that a remix
package with a bonus disc of all-new material disguised as a greatest
hits set--which not only shortchanged newcomers wh
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From:
Bag
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:06
pm
Subject: Your favourite dream
Hello,
Here are complete results of your voting on my homepage.
Don't forget to vote regularly. :))
OCTOBER'2000
=======================================================
A B C D E
-------------------------------------------------------
1 [ 1] Ricochet 171 49
2 [ 3] Poland 103 35
3 [ 2] Stratosfear 100 26
4 [ 4] Logos 92 28
5 [ 5] Force Majeure 73 19
6 [ 8] Pergamon 60 18
7 [ 6] Mars Polaris 53 19
8 [ 7] Encore 50 20
9 [11] Live Miles 45 15
10 [13] Tangram 43 13
-------------------------------------------------------
11 [10] Hyperborea 39 11
12 [12] Exit 38 16
13 [16] Melrose 37 13
14 [ 9] White Eagle 35 13
[14] Tyger 26 10
[17] 220 Volt 26 10
[15] Rubycon 26 10
18 [18] Tournado 21 7
19 [22] Flashpoint 19 9
20 [19] Firestarter 17 5
21 [20] The Man Inside 16 4
22 [23] Phaedra 15 7
[21] Underwater Sunlight 15 7
24 [24] Goblins Club 15 5
25 [28] Valentine Wheels 11 3
26 [34] Green Desert 8 2
[24] Timesquare 8 2
28 [26] Turn Of The Tides 6 2
29 [27] Lily On The Beach 5 3
[40] Dream Mixes 5 3
31 [28] Optical Race 5 1
[28] Alpha Centauri 5 1
33 [31] Quinoa 4 2
[31] Sorcerer 4 2
[31] The Keep 4 2
[34] Cyclone 4 2
37 [34] Atem 3 1
[34] Thief 3 1
39 [38] Electronic Meditations 2 2
[38] Great Wall Of China 2 2
41 [40] Canyon Dreams 1 1
[ N] Le Parc 1 1
[40] Oasis 1 1
[40] Transsiberia 1 1
[ N] What A Blast 1 1
=======================================================
[A-position][B-previous month][C-title]
[D-points][E-votes][N-new]
*number of voters: 136
Regards
Bag
----------------------
bag@a...
http://tadream.ac.pl/
----------------------
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:59
pm
Subject: OT: tenor of discussions (was RE: [tadream] Re: TD News + Sequent ial Circuits synths)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...]
...
> seem to remember. I hummed parts of that album for quite some
> time before I
> realized I was humming notes that weren't there. It almost
> made me mad --
maybe that's a good thing???
> Let's just move on, OK? I'm sure there are many other
> interesting TD-related
agreed.
I think most would agree that the tadream moderation team USED to step in a
lot more on these negative threads. We've all become familiar with each
other's viewpoiints and personalities by now, something like a little
family. That's why we've relaxed a bit, but the negativity lately has been
the #1 reason for people leaving the list. Maybe we can take that as a cue
to focus on something other than complaints?
How about the weekly album discussions? Where are we? Valentine Wheels?
Nobody want to do these anymore?
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 3:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Matt Howarth's E-Music Reviews
and you would be happier if he had?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
...
> I read the Tangerine Dream synopsis. What a bunch of
> back-slapping. Not a
> harsh or objective word was said.
>
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:43
pm
Subject: Feldman's response to aslanfan1 re Letter to Miramar
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:33:56 EDT aslanfan1@a... said:
>Popping to the surface long enough to say that Feldman's letter to
>Miramar really makes no sense. For starter, to moan about Tangents to
>Miramar is like blaming George Bush for Bill Clinton's foreign policy.
>Virgin was responsible for Tangents.
Ah! I see where you're coming from. The missing piece to the
puzzle is that I was writing to a specific person at Miramar whom I had
known from the final days of the I.E.M.A. (International Electronic
Music Association) fan organization before he became part of the team
that *founded* Miramar. That's why I referred to having previously
e-mailed him about TANGENTS. We had been just shooting the shit, so to
speak, about TANGENTS.
I should have explained the letter's context. Sorry about that.
I'm glad that you brought it up and I was able to clarify.
>[. . .] To suggest that Miramar put out a compilation of songs owned by
>numerous other labels is absurd, if you know much about how the music
>business works. Miramar didn't exactly strike it rich with TD, and I can't
>see how such a release could ever in a million years be financially
>sensible to them.
Yeah, and so why/how is Eddie 'n' Son doing just that very thing?
And there are all sorts of outfits that issue compilation albums
exclusively comprised of artists outside of their own roster. Ever
hear of Pickwick International, Pye, or K-Tel Records?
-- Steven Feldman
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:28
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:45:52 -0400
>Subject: RE: [tadream] The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
>From: tadream@egroups.com
>Really-From: Joe Shoults
>YES, we all have access to the old archives! Go to
>http://www.tadream.net/archives.
Good. I'll do that! Thanks. :)
>So WHO was it that said they held it in their hands, anyway? I remember
>someone saying they didn't have the money to buy it when they saw it,
>then came back with the money and the album was already sold. [. . .]
That's me. Go to http://members.spree.com/molasar and you can read
the whole sad story.
>My question is, was it really ever produced?
What do you mean by produced? Was it pressed and put in stores (by
accident)? Yes. Has anyone on this myopic little list produced a copy?
Not yet.
Also, one guy, by the name of Set Sutekh
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:16
pm
Subject: Change the Header, Dag Nabbit!
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:08:32 -0400
>Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
>From: tadream@egroups.com
>Really-From: Joe Shoults
>
>It's been probably at least 10 years; I don't remember. I think I
>remember that it had the same tracklistsing, but the songs just sounded
>different.
Hey, would you mind changing the header when you say something
like that? I thought you were talking about THE KEEP and almost had
a cardiac. :(
-- Steven Feldman
>>-----Originad2Message-----
>>From: Craig Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...]
>>Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 7:13 AM
>>To: tadream@egroups.com
>>Subject: Re: [tadream] The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
>>
>>>If it exists, it would be neat to hear, as tape vs. album versions
>>>can be different. I remember the tape version of Tony Carey's
>>>'Pink World' was way different from the pink-colored album version,
>>> for example...
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 1:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
On 13 Oct 2000 10:31 GMT said:
>> From: Steven Feldman
>>
>> This really pisses me off. Six years ago, I tried to track down
>> who it was who posted about a friend who'd sold a copy of THE KEEP LP
>> for $200, but nobody -- including David Datta -- lifted a finger to
>> help me. Goddamn it!
>
>Maybe this is perhaps there was in fact NOBODY who ever sold a copy of
>'The Keep' because NOBODY ever held it in his hands... ;*)
Well hardy har har. Easy for you to say in hindsight. I don't
recall anybody involved in VOICES IN THE DUNES trying to ascertain the
veracity of this claim at the time, either. It's not nearly as easy
to find something if you don't look for it. If you want to believe
Edgar's lies about the LP not slipping out into the marketplace by
accident (the GREAT WALL OF CHINA mistake should disabuse you of this
misconception), that's your prerogative, but don't try to tell me I
didn't see what I saw.
Self-described Tangerine Dream experts on this list told me that
there was never a long ending to THE KEEP where Eva revives Glaeken,
but I obtained it (and the bootleg resultant from people trading it --
that you no doubt have -- is proof). I was also told that the other
long ending, with Glaeken carrying Molasar into the keep -- which *I*
saw -- doesn't exist, and I now have a lead on a copy of this.
So, blow it out yer ear.
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 3:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] response to feldman
Well, didn't somebody here say that Miramar went under?
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:33 AM
Subject: [tadream] response to feldman
> Popping to the surface long enough to say that Feldman's letter to Miramar
> really makes no sense. For starter, to moan about Tangents to Miramar is
like
> blaming George Bush for Bill Clinton's foreign policy. Virgin was
responsible
> for Tangents. To suggest that Miramar put out a compilation of songs owned
by
> numerous other labels is absurd, if you know much about how the music
> business works. Miramar didn't exactly strike it rich with TD, and I can't
> see how such a release could ever in a million years be financially
sensible
> to them.
>
> Will someone tell me which previous release Seven Letters most closely
> resembles? Zoning? Rumpelstiltskin?
>
> Now submerging...
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman AR402004@B...
>
> Folks,
> To show that my 'whining' about TANGENTS knows no bounds, here is
> a copy of a letter I'm firing off to Miramar later today. ;)
>
> -- Steven Feldman ar402004@b...
> + + + + + + +
> xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> Miramar
> 200 Second Avenue West
> Seattle, WA 98119
>
> Dear xxxxxxxx
> The last time I wrote you, it was to register my dissatisfaction
> with the 5-CD set TANGENTS, which I felt was little more that a remix
> package with a bonus disc of all-new material disguised as a greatest
> hits set--which not only shortchanged newcomers wh
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 3:45
pm
Subject: Re: 'Good' music (was 'Re: Sv: Sv: Sv:' etc...)
In a message dated 10/12/00 6:25:46 PM, feldon23@h... writes:
>Good music, not just Tangerine Dream, has an open space to it. A part of
>the music that's not even really there. A part that you fill in with your
head.
Morgan, I'm not trying to get personal here, and I'm not necessarily saying
you're wrong, but why do you keep telling us what's 'good' and what isn't?
Let everyone have their opinions.
--Daniel
NP: Faust's 'Jennifer' as covered by Q-Burns Abstract Message
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 6:51
pm
Subject: It's Official: The 6-Disc TD Box Set
The TDI website has just been updated, with some details about the
6-disc box set, which will be called the 'I-Box'
Track listing is as follows:
Disc 1:
01. Alpha Centauri
02. Fauni- Gena
03. Birth of Liquid Plejades
04. White Clouds
05. Green Desert
06. Astral Voyager
07. Indian Summer
08. Dolphin Dance
09. Underwater Twilight
10. Coppercoast
11. The Night at Ayers Rock
12. Logos (Red Part)
13. Monolight
14. No Man's Land
Disc 2:
01. Logos
02. Cinnamon Road
03. Desert Dream
04. Logos (Velvet Part)
05. Hyperborea
06. Dominion
07. Monolight (Yellow Part)
08. Volcano
09. Ride on a Ray
10. Pergamon (Piano Part)
11. Tangent
12. Central Park
13. Barbakane
Disc 3:
01. Zen Garden
02. Yellowstone Park
03. Livemiles (Green Trail Part)
04. Gaudi Park
05. Alchemy of the Heart
06. Song of the Whale (From Dawn)
07. Tyger (William Blake Poem)
08. Bois de Bologne
09. Poland
10. Livemiles (San Buena Ventura)
11. Song of the Whale (to Dusk)
12. The Cliffs of Sydney
Disc 4:
01. Warsaw in the Sun (live)
02. Polish Dance (live)
03. Melrose (live)
04. Electric Lion (live)
05. Longing for Cashba
06. Cool at Heart (live)
07. Sungate (live)
08. Marakesh (live)
09. Ivory Toen
10. Cat Scan (live)
11. Ghazal (live)
12. The Midnight Trail (live)
Disc 5:
01. Too Hot for my Chinchilla
02. Unicorn Saga (live)
03. Lily on the Beach (live)
04. Storm Seekers
05. Mount Shasta (live)
06. Exit (live)
07. Akash Deep
08. Crystal Curfew (live)
09. Cool Shibuya
10. Alaskan Summer (live)
11. Long Island Sunset (live)
12. Rolling Down Cahuenga
13. Iguana (live)
Disc 6:
01. live in Perth
So now, I suppose the flames can begin!
A few comments I have....
In my e-mail to TDI, I suggested that in the future, they provide
certain basic information about 'previously unreleased material'. Is it
an outake from a certain album? What year is it from? Could we have
some composing credits? Has it been known by a different name in the
past? Has it been overdubbed or 'Tangentized'? This info would be
especially helpful in the case of this set, which seems to throw
together material from different eras on each disc, rather than going
chronologically.
And what are the new tracks? I see 'Storm Seekers', 'Akash Deep', 'Cool
Shibuya', 'Longing for Cashba', 'Ivory Toen' (spelling?), plus a live
track called 'Iguana'. And then there are live versions of Lily on the
Beach tracks...no information about when and where they were performed
though. The 1990 tour of England? Also, no info about the 'Live in
Perth' set. 1982 or 1975?
The set goes a bit light on the Virgin Years - most people's favourite
era. Nothing from Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure, or Tangram,
which usually account for 4 of the Top 5 positions of many fans' list of
favourite TD albums. Thus, calling this 'a definitive overview' (which
the TDI Site does) is questionable.
Judging my the material chosen - and especially the names of the
'excerpts' (i.e. Monolight - Yellow Part), I think it's safe to assume
that the versions of the tracks here are the same as those on Dream
Roots and Tangents. It even provides some of the bonus tracks from
Tangents - Coppercoast and Volcano among them. But again, the website
isn't saying either way, so you'll just have to plop down your bucks to
find out!
Speaking of which, there is no price quoted yet. Curious.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 7:47
pm
Subject: Where is the cover art?
What happened to the cover art page on the tadream.com website?
Thanks for any help...I really just need the Pop d'Orange 75 Cover art.
Craig
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From:
horrod6
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 7:35
pm
Subject: Re: Re: SV: Re: TD News
Frank: I'm blushing (a girl does sooo like to be appreciated for her
e-mails! And no, that wasn't meant to be sarcastic, before I get into
trouble for putting my tongue in the wrong place again.) But I think
I'll keep my persuasive powers for convincing people that it's a really
bad idea to implement something on their website that is an open
invitation to hackers, crackers or whatever else they want to call
themselves. But if the list wants to club together and employ me as an
ambassadress to Froese and son......well, I might _just_ be persuadable
.
Morgan: I like your idea about releasing old material and hyping it to
death - I don't think it would just be in the US that there'd be money
to be made. There's plenty of us in Scotland who'd be there with the old
credit card at the ready too!
Also, you said 'I've often felt that present TD is just an
evolution of Edgar's solo works. Listen to them again. They're melodic
to a
fault.' That's a very interesting point. On the whole, I tend to play
70's TD more than the later stuff - not that it's better, just that I'm
more often in the mood for that style of music. But just lately I've
been listening to Aqua and Macula Transfer a lot, interspersed with
Rubycon and Phaedra (that's just the way my vinyl preserving tape
collection works out). And right now (was differnt last month, may be
different tomorrow) I find I prefer the solo stuff. But it wasn't until
you made the point that I realised why. Thanks for the insight.
And as for your Survivor II idea - I'll go for it. I'll even eat the
rats! As long as it's somewhere _warm_. (Scotland is effing freezing
right now!)
Sean: well, it's great to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that
the place to complain _before_ you hear the music is TDI.
Love and hugs
Marion
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 10:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
[...] > Edgar's lies about the LP not slipping out into the marketplace
by
> accident (the GREAT WALL OF CHINA mistake should disabuse you of this
> misconception), that's your prerogative, but don't try to tell me I
> didn't see what I saw.
Steven, could you refresh us about the 'Great Wall of China' mistake, I
don't recall there was one.
Anyway, you know that as a collector friend with you, I'm still not a
believer in your case (but I'm glad that the frequency of this issue has
subsided). I made my own investigation with the record execs in
Hollywood (which you totally discredited), but I'm sure that won't ruin
your dream to ' The Keep'! I hope you find it and keep us going :) But
can it be possible that you saw a promo cardboard ad for the up-coming
release? These thing sometimes can look like real LPs...
(Now I must put on the asbestos suit) Vic
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 2:05
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
> From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...]
> Also, one guy, by the name of Set Sutekh went back to his neighborhood record shop more than four separate days
> to moon over the cassette which he couldn't afford to buy at the time.
> He held it, stared at the front-of-cassette image and back-of-cassette
> credits at least four separate times.
He could have been stoned at the time... Sounds like he's had lots of free
time on his hands...
> So, that could be why no one on this list has seen it: they're
> all spoiled brats who could always afford to buy whatever they wanted.
> Ho ho. :(
Sorry: Robin Hood doesn't have my address anymore...
- jim
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 2:05
am
Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> Morgan wrote:
> > I don't know what the H*LL TD's problem is.
> You and me both
I do: nothing. It's the people on this mailing list with the problems...
- jim
From:
'Greg'
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 2:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] It's Official: The 6-Disc TD Box Set
So basically we are getting a compilation of a compilation of remixes?
I wasn't very impressed with Tangents, and I really hate to listen to
TD's music that's been hacked apart and softened at the ends. It's
taken out of context of the whole.. for example, as much as I like
the various parts of Logos, there's a sheer brillance in the way things
transition together. When they tear apart segments of long running tracks,
those individual parts sometimes fail.
I think I would have a problem dealing with listening from track to track..
the mood and the style would lead many people to think this is a
compilation of different artists' music.
I'm awaiting the day that TDI will tangentize all their original albums and
re-release them. Record componies protecting the music from the artists :)
hehhe
Greg H.
NP: Xenogears ST Creed - Melkiba
> A few comments I have....
>
> In my e-mail to TDI, I suggested that in the future, they provide
> certain basic information about 'previously unreleased material'. Is it
> an outake from a certain album? What year is it from? Could we have
> some composing credits? Has it been known by a different name in the
> past? Has it been overdubbed or 'Tangentized'? This info would be
> especially helpful in the case of this set, which seems to throw
> together material from different eras on each disc, rather than going
> chronologically.
>
> And what are the new tracks? I see 'Storm Seekers', 'Akash Deep', 'Cool
> Shibuya', 'Longing for Cashba', 'Ivory Toen' (spelling?), plus a live
> track called 'Iguana'. And then there are live versions of Lily on the
> Beach tracks...no information about when and where they were performed
> though. The 1990 tour of England? Also, no info about the 'Live in
> Perth' set. 1982 or 1975?
>
> The set goes a bit light on the Virgin Years - most people's favourite
> era. Nothing from Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure, or Tangram,
> which usually account for 4 of the Top 5 positions of many fans' list of
> favourite TD albums. Thus, calling this 'a definitive overview' (which
> the TDI Site does) is questionable.
>
> Judging my the material chosen - and especially the names of the
> 'excerpts' (i.e. Monolight - Yellow Part), I think it's safe to assume
> that the versions of the tracks here are the same as those on Dream
> Roots and Tangents. It even provides some of the bonus tracks from
> Tangents - Coppercoast and Volcano among them. But again, the website
> isn't saying either way, so you'll just have to plop down your bucks to
> find out!
>
> Speaking of which, there is no price quoted yet. Curious.
>
>
> --
> SEAN MONTGOMERY
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 3:59
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] It's Official: The 6-Disc TD Box Set
Still no DOLPHIN SMILE...WHat a shame...
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...]
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:51 PM
> To: Tangerine Dream Mailing List
> Subject: [tadream] It's Official: The 6-Disc TD Box Set
>
>
> The TDI website has just been updated, with some details about the
> 6-disc box set, which will be called the 'I-Box'
>
> Track listing is as follows:
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY
>
> T O P I X / Mad Dog
> http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 7:20
am
Subject: TDI Merchandise
Hi just one question are the majority of TD fans on the large side?
I think there T-shirts would look like a tent on me.
Cheers Gary.
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From:
Glynn Naughton
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 9:31
am
Subject: Old and new
Jared sez:
>I was just commenting on the fact that this seems to be yet another case of
>'ooh, look, more old 70's and 80's unreleased material/bah, who cares about
>the new stuff' -- an attitude I'm heartily sick of. Personally, the
upcoming
>releases of Dream Mixes III and Star Trooper interest me more than
>unreleased old TD stuff, but it seems I'm in the minority with this
>opinion....
Surely the whole Dream Mixes concept is becoming as dusty, old and worn out
as rehashing 70s/80s stuff. Taking TD music and restructuring it in a style
invented by other people was never the most original idea to begin with, but
now its *way* past its sell-by date. As they say, techno is *so* five
minutes ago.
It seems that it's OK to be stuck in a rut, as long as its a rut inhabited
by Jerome. Surely, a truly forward-thinking attitude to TD would be to hope
that they recruit some young whizzkid to inject some life back into the
band, After all, when Jerome joined, Edgar made a big thing about how he
represented a breath of young, fresh air. Now that Jerome has become
middle-aged and stale (not that he was ever very fresh to begin with ), I
don't seem to hear the same argument being repeated.
Jared, the 'new' stuff that you champion just ain't so new anymore. Could it
be that, ten years from now, you'll still be reminiscing about the good old
days of 90s TD, whilst the younger fans are castigating you for living in
the past? :-)
Glynn
From:
Derk
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 9:44
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 661
Paul,
>You'll be pleased to know that there is now a draft copy of the list giving
>all known TD concert dates ever:
>
>http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
>
>Please don't hesitate to contact me with any comments, but especially with
>corrections!
Looking great! I've been waiting for a resource like this for years!
Now I can finally look up all the gigs they've ever played in The
Netherlands and see what I've missed ;-)
(Er, *did* they ever play in The Netherlands???)
Derk
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 10:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] It's Official: The 6-Disc TD Box Set
From: Michael A Jean
> Still no DOLPHIN SMILE...WHat a shame...
That'll probably turn up on Twilight Folder.
Maff
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From:
datta@c...
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 2:12
pm
Subject: Re: The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
You know Steven, your e-mail really pisses me off. A friend sent me a
copy of your recent posting. I decided this time, I would respond.
Six years ago, I would have told you the same thing I told everyone
else. The entire archives to the list have always been available for
FTP downloading. I also recall doing this search and replying to you.
Unfortunately for me, I am not so retentive as to keep copies of
every mail I ever sent. Especially not when it comes to e-mails I
have sent to you regarding your holy grail. So, Mr. Feldman, here is
the last thing I will EVER do fo you regarding The Keep. I never want
to hear from you again on this subject:
---------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 10:06:43 EST
Subject: Just maybe?
Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
I got a call on Sunday from my friend Phil. He tells me that there is
some guy who lives here in town with an amazing record collection who
has decided to sell off a bunch of his records---but only to one
person, Phil's friend P.J. So, Phil tells me, he's compiling a
preliminary list of things he's looking for. He asks me if there are
any rare recordings I'd like to lay my hands on. The only impossibly
rare records I could think of off the top of my head were 'The Animals
Soundtrack' by Robert Wyatt and 'The Keep' by Tangerine Dream.
Last night I heard back from Phil. He says, 'Which do you want first,
the good news or the bad news?' I say 'The bad news'. Phil says 'OK,
he won't sell it.'
More as the situation develops...
-Scott (bodarky@c...)| 'The American public knows what it ----
-----------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 12:42:15 EST
Subject: 'The Keep': Honing in...
Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
Some weeks ago I posted that I had located a copy of 'The Keep' in
someone's record collection (I've not actually seen it; there is a
chain of people with me on one end and him on the other). I'm now one
person away from the guy who owns the record, and I hear he may in
fact be willing to sell it. More as the situation develops....
-Scott (bodarky@c...)| 'We got guns, they got guns,
---------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 15:30:43 EDT
Subject: 'The Keep': Honing In...
Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
> Hows' the hunt going? Keep (no pun intended) us informed, willya???
> (Mebbe you should give us a weekly status report, ok?) :-)
Well, more than a month has elapsed since Craig's inquiry; sorry for
my lameness in responding. In any event, the news is this: the guy
had a copy of 'The Keep' and sold it six months ago to somebody in
Japan for $100. My connection has a few more ideas about avenues to
follow, but the one known copy has gone.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled unsubstantiated rumor
mill.
-Scott (bodarky@c...)| '[A computer is] like an Old Testament
---------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 15:30:43 EDT
Subject: 'The Keep': Honing In...
Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
> Hows' the hunt going? Keep (no pun intended) us informed, willya???
> (Mebbe you should give us a weekly status report, ok?) :-)
Well, more than a month has elapsed since Craig's inquiry; sorry for
my lameness in responding. In any event, the news is this: the guy
had a copy of 'The Keep' and sold it six months ago to somebody in
Japan for $100. My connection has a few more ideas about avenues to
follow, but the one known copy has gone.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled unsubstantiated rumor
mill.
-Scott (bodarky@c...)| '[A computer is] like an Old Testament
---------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 May 93 20:32:14 EDT
Subject: Re: 'The Keep': Honing In...
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: 'The Keep': Honing In...
>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 15:30:43 EDT
>Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
>
>From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
>> Hows' the hunt going? Keep (no pun intended) us informed, willya???
>> (Mebbe you should give us a weekly status report, ok?) :-)
>
>Well, more than a month has elapsed since Craig's inquiry; sorry for
>my lameness in responding. In any event, the news is this: the guy
>had a copy of 'The Keep' and sold it six months ago to somebody in
>Japan for $100. [. . .]
I can't hold this in any longer: WHAT AN ***HOLE!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I can't believe this guy settled for only $100 . . . and didn't
even
make cassette copies of it (or *did* he?)! I know people who would
have
paid FOUR TIMES THAT for a Mint copy. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
8(
-- Steven Feldman
---------------------------------------------------
From:
horrod6
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 1:58
pm
Subject: Okefenokee Dreams
OK, so I'm a late buyer, but I just got my copy of Okefenokee Dreams.
Love it, love it, looove it!
Any fans of the 70's TD sound who don't have this yet, I recommend you
go straight to the grooveunlimited site and order it right _now_!
LnH
Marion
np: need you ask?
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 11:59
pm
Subject: Golden Collection 2000
I have an extra copy of the 'Golden Collection 2000' TD compilation
release from Ukraine. I've seen this go for some nice cash on eBay, so
if anybody wants it, here is my trade offer:
Golden Collection for:
*** Zeit - US Relativity 2 CD release in 'Slimeline case' only.
Golden Collection and Russian 'The Seven Letters from Tibet' CD for:
*** The Story of Tangerine Dream - Germany Jive with disc 1 having grey
ink (not black).
Maybe a good deal for some collector, so if you're interested in this
rare release (I think 500 copies exist), let me know. Vic
From:
jowers
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 12:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Where is the cover art?
>What happened to the cover art page on the tadream.com website?
Speaking of Cover Art, does anybody have the full color artwork for the
Brussels '80 show that's on 1 disc. The copy I have is a black and white
text cover that says full color artwork will follow. I believe the show is
called 'Nostrogram' (sp???)
I have a trade pending and would like to send the proper art.
Thanks,
Kevin
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 3:25
am
Subject: new page
Hello everyone,
I've made a new page which I hope I can fill with improvisations and covers.
The first track there is Tubular Improvisation 1, a piano improvisation of Mike
Oldfield's Tubular Bells intro. I want to put tracks by other musicians too,
like our TD, Kraftwerk and Jam Jar and maybe Vangelis. I always forget Vangelis
when I make these lists.
The address is http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br/improv/index.htm . I'll let you know
when I put something new in there.
gustavoferreirajobim(gustavfj@m...)
From:
'Manuel Marino'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 8:26
am
Subject: *Glenn Miller, Eddie Duchin and Roger Williams*
*Glenn Miller, Eddie Duchin and Roger Williams*
Hello!
Can you tell me anything about Glenn Miller, Eddie Duchin and Roger
Williams? i need info for a research...
Vanethian
http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 10:18
am
Subject: OT: Tony Carey/Planet P
<>>
Oh really??? THat's a very cool album. I remember
when it came out, he did videos for two of the
songs (Behind The Barrier and I think the other
was Do You See What I see) and MTV aired them
back to back, not just once, but everytime they
aired them. They never showed them as individual
songs.
A couple years ago, I came across that pink vinyl
double LP and couldn't resist buying. Very cool
album. Did they ever did a regular black vinyl
pressing on that?
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl
Jones
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 10:17
am
Subject: Discussion Week 57 - Sunday 15th October 2000
This week's album for discussion is the soundtrack 'What A Blast'
(also released as Architecture In Motion).
Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [What A Blast]' when
posting reviews and comments.
Thanks,
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From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 10:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Merchandise
I remember the days when you could buy small & medium T shirts at gigs. Now
every size has an X in it.
Phil.
> Hi just one question are the majority of TD fans on the large side?
> I think there T-shirts would look like a tent on me.
> Cheers Gary.
From:
'Hans de Kruis'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 11:10
am
Subject: KLEM cd on Ebay
Hello,
Anyone interested in the first Klem CD with Tangerine Dream and Klaus
Schulze and
Chris Franke. Look here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=469117594
Hans de Kruis
Roestuin 30
3343 CV H.I. Ambacht
tel. 078-6817951
fax: 020-8708064
e-mail prive: hans.kruis@f...
homepage: http://home.wish.net/~hdekruis
From:
horrod6
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 12:43
pm
Subject: Groove sales chart
Just thought you'd like to know that 'Okefenokee Dreams' is number three
in this week's Groove sales chart - congrats to Marcel and Dave!
(By the way, the I-box is at number 7.)
LnH
Marion
Still playing: Okefenokee Dreams
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From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 7:40
pm
Subject: That annoying 'KEEP' subject, 'Voices' and Edgar's 'lies'
Steve, I think your following explanations are not the way this THE
KEEP thing can be discussed seriously.
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:34:16 EDT
> From: Steven Feldman
> Subject: Re: RE: The Copy of THE KEEP That Got Away
>
> On 13 Oct 2000 10:31 GMT said:
> >> From: Steven Feldman
> >>
> >> This really pisses me off. Six years ago, I tried to track down
> >> who it was who posted about a friend who'd sold a copy of THE >
>>KEEP LP...
My answer was:
> >Maybe this is perhaps there was in fact NOBODY who ever sold a
> >copy of 'The Keep' because NOBODY ever held it in his hands...
> >;*)
Then you replied:
> Well hardy har har. Easy for you to say in hindsight. I
> don't recall anybody involved in VOICES IN THE DUNES trying to
> ascertain the veracity of this claim at the time, either.
Probably you do not recall anything because you were involved in that
discography book project IN NO WAY. Please renounce public explanations
what we have researched or not.
Fact is that I own a TD promo postcard of 1983, autographed by Edgar
Froese, issued shortly after 'Logos', telling the Virgin catalogue number
of 'The Keep' on its back side. With this item in our hands, you can be
sure we tried to find out whether copies of this LP have been produced
or not. We have not found ANY reliable hint that records have really been
pressed. Thus, it has not to be included in a serious discography.
> If you want to believe Edgar's lies about the LP not slipping out
> into the marketplace by accident (the GREAT WALL OF CHINA mistake
> should disabuse you of this misconception), that's your prerogative,
> but don't try to tell me I didn't see what I saw.
There is no reason to accuse Edgar of lies and no reason to accuse us
(the 'Voices in the dunes' editors) of 'believing Edgar's lies'. Edgar
had never told anything about LPs not slipping out in the market in the
way you quoted him. What he said - also talking to us as the 'Dream
Collector' editors later - is: The LP has never been produced. This is rather
different from your hearsay (?) version.
[Anyway, TD did efforts later to re-release 'The Keep', een together
with Virgin from 1996 through 1998, with the wel-known results.]
> > Self-described Tangerine Dream experts ...
I hope you work with a very serious scale to differ 'self-described'
and other TD experts, and this scale is valid for you, too...
> ...on this list told me that
> there was never a long ending to THE KEEP where Eva revives Glaeken,
> but I obtained it (and the bootleg resultant from people trading it >
-- that you no doubt have -- is proof). I was also told that the
> other long ending, with Glaeken carrying Molasar into the keep --
> which *I* saw -- doesn't exist, and I now have a lead on a copy of
> this.
> So, blow it out yer ear.
This may all be true - but in no way it is a proof whether an LP item
exists or not.
Fortunately, Dave Datta was friendly ( :-) ) and searched for some old
messages from this Mailing List:
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 12:42:15 EST
> Subject: 'The Keep': Honing in...
> Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
>
>
> Some weeks ago I posted that I had located a copy of 'The Keep' in
> someone's record collection (I've not actually seen it; there is a
> chain of people with me on one end and him on the other).
'I have not actually seen it': What do you think how many times in more
than two decades of TD collecting and working on a discography as well
as on a fanzine, people had told me about 'rarities' which then turned
out as not existing, as hearsay error or as fakes - always with one of
the explanations which had already been given for the 'Keep'
'disappearance' back in 1993:
> 'He will not sell it'
or, a short time later:
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 15:30:43 EDT
> Subject: 'The Keep': Honing In...
> Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
>
> ...
>
> In any event, the news is this: the guy
> had a copy of 'The Keep' and sold it six months ago to somebody in
> Japan for $100. My connection has a few more ideas about avenues to
> follow, but the one known copy has gone.
Aaaaha, it has gone... Unfortunately.
And then back in 1993 you, Steve, found out:
> Date: Tue, 25 May 93 20:32:14 EDT
> Subject: Re: 'The Keep': Honing In...
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> ...
> I can't hold this in any longer: WHAT AN ***HOLE!!!
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I can't believe this guy settled for only $100 . . . and didn't
> even
> make cassette copies of it (or *did* he?)! I know people who would
> have
> paid FOUR TIMES THAT for a Mint copy. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
> 8(
>
> -- Steven Feldman
So you have heard of one who said he was at the end of a chain and he
never saw... - Be reasonable: Is this a reliable base for any serious
collector to believe that there was a 1983 'Keep release? And if any copies
had been pressed, why should for more than 17 years just one copy of
the LP appear on a sales list, but no one saw it? If there were copies and
they had come to the marketplace, probably at least a few more of them
would later have been located by TD hunters and collectors, like the
'Risky Business' promo box or like the 'Mars Polaris' promo CD version.
If anybody comes accross the LP, all of the serious collectors of
course will acknowledge its existence, like they meanwhile did with the clear
red vinyl version of 'Electronic Meditation' (Japan, 1970) for example.
But as long as there is NO SINGLE PROOF for a 'The Keep' LP from 1983,
PLEASE stop discussing it in the style you do it and stop insultng
people who do not believe in the rumours you spread.
Peter Stoeferle
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 1:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Groove sales chart
Marion, what's LnH?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'horrod6'
To: 'tadream@o...'
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 6:43 AM
Subject: [tadream] Groove sales chart
> Just thought you'd like to know that 'Okefenokee Dreams' is number three
> in this week's Groove sales chart - congrats to Marcel and Dave!
>
> (By the way, the I-box is at number 7.)
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
> Still playing: Okefenokee Dreams
>
>
>
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>
From:
'tom george'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 1:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Tony Carey/Planet P
yes chris,
i have the back vinyl.
tom
--
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:18:07 Chris Richards wrote:
>A couple years ago, I came across that pink vinyl
>double LP and couldn't resist buying. Very cool
>album. Did they ever did a regular black vinyl
>pressing on that?
>
Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
From:
Totta Rydqvist
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 2:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Where is the cover art?
HI
Here is the cover you are looking for, sorry about the quallity but its all i
got
Totta
jowers wrote:
> >What happened to the cover art page on the tadream.com website?
>
> Speaking of Cover Art, does anybody have the full color artwork for the
> Brussels '80 show that's on 1 disc. The copy I have is a black and white
> text cover that says full color artwork will follow. I believe the show is
> called 'Nostrogram' (sp???)
>
> I have a trade pending and would like to send the proper art.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
>
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From:
Totta Rydqvist
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 3:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Where is the cover art?
Sorry, wrong adress..
Totta Rydqvist wrote:
> HI
>
> Here is the cover you are looking for, sorry about the quallity but its all i
> got
>
> Totta
>
> jowers wrote:
>
> > >What happened to the cover art page on the tadream.com website?
> >
> > Speaking of Cover Art, does anybody have the full color artwork for the
> > Brussels '80 show that's on 1 disc. The copy I have is a black and white
> > text cover that says full color artwork will follow. I believe the show is
> > called 'Nostrogram' (sp???)
> >
> > I have a trade pending and would like to send the proper art.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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From:
jowers
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 3:37
pm
Subject: Re: Where is the cover art?
>Speaking of Cover Art, does anybody have the full color artwork for the
>Brussels '80 show that's on 1 disc.
Thanks to the kind generosity from list members Duncan and Totta, I have
received scans of the artwork.
Thanks again guys,
Kevin
kvjowers@i...
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 8:57
pm
Subject: Okefenokee 2001 + Trade List Update
Hey TD fans,
So far I have received deposits for the Oke-2001 event from 8 people.
That means that I still have eight (8) more spaces in the cottages -
anyone arriving later will either have to camp in a tent, RV, or a far
away motel. I'm already gathering TD gifts to raffle off for the next
event. I expect that all that attend will bring a nice TD gift or two
for the raffle! The raffle is a great time and the energy is intense.
Other EM artists recordings are welcome of course. Whatever happened to
that 'Pointless Reminder' CD? I still don't have a copy Marcel. But so
far for the Oke-2001 event we will have TD fans and musicians from:
USA, Georgia
USA, Tennesee
USA, Florida
USA, Arizona
United Kingdom
The Nederlands
If you do not know about this event, please read some history at
Marcel's site:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee/reports.htm
Also, an official CD was relesed from this event and it's #3 at Groove
at this moment. Check it out.
Also, I have updated by TD page and I have some nice rare items for
trade for my wants and also I ask anyone that has a TD related page to
send me their URL if they so desire. I have noted a few postings of TD
URLs lately on this list, but I will not include them until the author
sends me a confirmation e-mail.
OK, so check out my trade list at:
http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm
Vic
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 12:06
am
Subject: THE KEEP flamewar starts anew, thanks to Vic
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:05:20 -0400 Vic Rek said:
>>[...]Edgar's lies about the LP not slipping out into the marketplace by
>>accident (the GREAT WALL OF CHINA mistake should disabuse you of this
>>misconception), that's your prerogative, but don't try to tell me I
>>didn't see what I saw.
>
>Steven, could you refresh us about the 'Great Wall of China' mistake, I
>don't recall there was one.
Okay, so maybe it was MARS POLARIS. I'm not a completist anymore.
I'm spending more time with my kung fu movies hobby nowadays.
>Anyway, you know that as a collector friend with you, I'm still not a
>believer in your case (but I'm glad that the frequency of this issue has
>subsided). [. . .]
But now you feel like rekindling the long-standing flame war, eh?
>[. . .] I made my own investigation with the record execs in
>Hollywood (which you totally discredited), [. . .]
That's right. And if you went to the U.S. Army to inqire about
UFOs, I wouldn't give any credence to their reply, either. Get my
point? If said executives had known the truth, they certainly wouldn't
have told you. When people screw up, they keep their mouths shut: they
don't tell pesky fanboys secrets that discredit them! Wake up!
>[. . .] but I'm sure that won't ruin your dream to ' The Keep'!
It's no dream for me. For you it might be, but for me it's fact.
And it's fact for about four other people on the Web, too.
>[. . .] But can it be possible that you saw a promo cardboard ad for
>the up-coming release? [. . .]
Uhhhhhh . . . no.
A promo flat, aka ad slick, is the thickness of the front cover (or
back cover) of an LP. What I saw had shrikwrap and a price sticker on
it and was in a record bin with other records in the soundtrack section.
And it was heavy like a record sleeve with a record inside. Nice try.
>[. . .] These thing sometimes can look like real LPs...
Yeah, maybe from a distance of 30 feet, but I held this item in
my hands and examined both sides.
Do you really think I would have gone through all the trouble of
placing ads in GOLDMINE, FANGORIA and CINEFANTASTIQUE for THE KEEP LP,
and then gone on to devote an entire web site to it -- unless I was
pretty damned sure that I knew/know this record exists?
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 7:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] It's Official: The 6-Disc TD Box Set
Hee-hee. Just about the entirety of LE PARC is in that set. I
know I'm in the minority as placing LE PARC in my Top Ten list of fave
TD albums, but I guess Ed sees something in it that many didn't. ;)
-- Steven Feldman
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 6:49
pm
Subject: Peter Stoeferle is not omniscient re all things TD
Hi,
A couple of people contacted me offlist to imply that since Peter
Stoeferle is one of the biggest TD fans in the world -- that if he says
something doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. I say, 'bullshit!' I don't
care if his sister (if he has one) married Jerome Froese. I held the
LP in my hands, and if he wants to believe otherwise, that and $1.25
will get him a cup of coffee.
Besides, I heard the number '300' being quoted as being the print-
run of the LP by someone who trumps Klaus Beschorner, Peter Stoeferle
and maybe even Chris Horn combined: Peter Grygorcewicz -- who was the
greatest TD fan who ever lived. Peter G. is no longer with us, so he
can neither corroborate nor deny saying this, and yet, once, amid my
badgerings about THE KEEP, he said that 'only 300 were made,' even
though he claimed to not have a copy himself. So, as far as authorities
on this list go, my source is higher up (literally, now) than theirs.
So, chew on *that*!
I saw and held what I saw and held, and no self-described superfan
is going to convince me otherwise.
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 3:46
pm
Subject: Specific 1993 posts re copy the of THE KEEP that got away
Here's what was said about the copy of THE KEEP LP that was sold
to someone in Japan (it transpired in 5 posts):
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
From http://tadream.net/archives/1993/0393.digest
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 12:42:15 EST
From: tadream (tadream mailing list)
Subject: 'The Keep': Honing in...
To: tadream
Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
Some weeks ago I posted that I had located a copy of 'The Keep' in
someone's record collection (I've not actually seen it; there is a
chain of people with me on one end and him on the other). I'm now one
person away from the guy who owns the record, and I hear he may in
fact be willing to sell it. More as the situation develops....
-Scott (bodarky@c...)ş 'We got guns, they got guns,
ş All god's chilluns got guns'
The National Institute ş
of Standards & Technology ş -The Marx Brothers
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 22:32:11 -0500 (EST)
From: tadream (tadream mailing list)
Subject: 'The Keep': Honing in...
To: tadream
Really-From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
>
> Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
>
>
> Some weeks ago I posted that I had located a copy of 'The Keep' in
> someone's record collection (I've not actually seen it; there is a
> chain of people with me on one end and him on the other). I'm now one
> person away from the guy who owns the record, and I hear he may in
> fact be willing to sell it. More as the situation develops....
>
> -Scott (bodarky@c...)ş 'We got guns, they got guns,
> ş All god's chilluns got guns'
> The National Institute ş
> of Standards & Technology ş -The Marx Brothers
>
Yo Scott!
Hows' the hunt going? Keep (no pun intended) us informed, willya???
(Mebbe you should give us a weekly status report, ok?) :-)
And allow me to volunteer to witness the existance of the album. I'll
gladly proclaim to the world that the beastie exists and that you do
own a copy of it, if you let me tape it, OK? Seeing how we're almost
neighbors, eh? Maybe you can even let me hold it, if I wear gloves?
A Doubting Thomas, willing to be proven wrong...
--
Regards,
Craig Shipley
-m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs@p...
---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation
-----mmmmm--- 10010 Junction Dr. Suite 112
-------mmmmmmm- Annapolis Junction, MD 20701 (301) 725-5705
Opinions expressed here, if any, are my own and not Pyramid's.
------------------------------
From http://tadream.net/archives/1993/0493.digest
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 15:30:43 EDT
From: tadream (tadream mailing list)
Subject: 'The Keep': Honing In...
To: tadream
Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
> Hows' the hunt going? Keep (no pun intended) us informed, willya???
> (Mebbe you should give us a weekly status report, ok?) :-)
Well, more than a month has elapsed since Craig's inquiry; sorry for
my lameness in responding. In any event, the news is this: the guy
had a copy of 'The Keep' and sold it six months ago to somebody in
Japan for $100. My connection has a few more ideas about avenues to
follow, but the one known copy has gone.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled unsubstantiated rumor
mill.
-Scott (bodarky@c...)ş '[A computer is] like an Old Testament god,
ş with a lot of rules and no mercy.'
The National Institute ş
of Standards & Technology ş -Joseph Campbell
------------------------------
From http://tadream.net/archives/1993/0593.digest
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 15:30:43 EDT
From: tadream (tadream mailing list)
Subject: 'The Keep': Honing In...
To: tadream
Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
> Hows' the hunt going? Keep (no pun intended) us informed, willya???
> (Mebbe you should give us a weekly status report, ok?) :-)
Well, more than a month has elapsed since Craig's inquiry; sorry for
my lameness in responding. In any event, the news is this: the guy
had a copy of 'The Keep' and sold it six months ago to somebody in
Japan for $100. My connection has a few more ideas about avenues to
follow, but the one known copy has gone.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled unsubstantiated rumor
mill.
-Scott (bodarky@c...)ş '[A computer is] like an Old Testament god,
ş with a lot of rules and no mercy.'
The National Institute ş
of Standards & Technology ş -Joseph Campbell
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 May 93 20:32:14 EDT
From: tadream (tadream mailing list)
Subject: 'The Keep': Honing In...
To: tadream
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Requests for add/removal from this list to tadream-request@c...
>Subject: 'The Keep': Honing In...
>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 15:30:43 EDT
>Really-From: bodarky@c... (Scott Bodarky)
>
>From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
>> Hows' the hunt going? Keep (no pun intended) us informed, willya???
>> (Mebbe you should give us a weekly status report, ok?) :-)
>
>Well, more than a month has elapsed since Craig's inquiry; sorry for
>my lameness in responding. In any event, the news is this: the guy
>had a copy of 'The Keep' and sold it six months ago to somebody in
>Japan for $100. [. . .]
I can't hold this in any longer: WHAT AN ***HOLE!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I can't believe this guy settled for only $100 . . . and didn't even
make cassette copies of it (or *did* he?)! I know people who would have
paid FOUR TIMES THAT for a Mint copy. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. 8(
-- Steven Feldman
------------------------------
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 3:50
pm
Subject: Someone else who held THE KEEP LP in his hands
Hi,
While going through the list archives, I stumbled across this:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 9:19:01 EST
From: tadream (tadream mailing list)
Subject: 'Gloria', The Keep
To: tadream
Really-From: sanborn@i... (Erik Sanborn)
> Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Salivating TD Fanboy'
›much stuff deleted|
I assume all this talk about 'Gloria' has to do with the Thomas Tallis piece
at the end of THE KEEP. Yes?
>
> By the way, Daniel, if I haven't mentioned it before since you've
> been on the list, I saw THE KEEP soundtrack LP and held it in my hands
> when it came out. I was low on cash, then, though, and asked the store
> manager (a friend of mine) to hold onto it for two days, whereupon he
> said, 'Nobody'll buy it by Friday.' Somebody did, and now everyone
> thinks I'm full of shit.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>
I believe you Steven because almost the same thing happened to me!
I was at college at the time and I also physically held THE KEEP LP in my
hands. However, being a good college student, I was perpetually low on
disposable income. So what did I do? Why I purchased a TD studio album
that I didn't have, instead! You see, I was not as much of a fan of TD
at the time as I am now. Given the choice of a soundtrack or a 'new' studio
album (I could not afford both at the time), I chose the latter. I went back
to the record store about three weeks later and, of course, it was gone.
And, yes, I have been kicking myself even since!
I remember that the LP had the same cover as the promo posters for the movie.
It was deep blue with the words 'THE KEEP' spelled out in rock in the shape
of a large cubical building, backlit by the blinding light from within the
building, just as in the movie. I faintly remember seeing a record company
name in the upper left hand corner. I want to say MCA Records but, alas, my
'photographic' memory has faded. 8) I do remember, however, the record store,
but don't bother to ask for their phone number because they went out of
business about six years ago. If you're really, Really, REALLY interested I
can tell you where it was located but, the last time I was in Rochester,
NY it had been turned into a video store.
So, all you heretics and non-believers, flame on if you must but I know
what I saw. Which reminds me, it's time to go kick myself again.
KEEP the faith, Steven!
-Erik --
From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 9:03
pm
Subject: Re: THE KEEP flamewar starts anew, thanks to Vic
Well, I have to admit that's a pretty compelling argument: either
you are totally insane or you are telling the truth!
;-)
-Joe
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Steven Feldman wrote:
...
> Do you really think I would have gone through all the trouble
of
> placing ads in GOLDMINE, FANGORIA and CINEFANTASTIQUE for THE KEEP
LP,
> and then gone on to devote an entire web site to it -- unless I was
> pretty damned sure that I knew/know this record exists?
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 9:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] THE KEEP flamewar starts anew, thanks to Vic
OK Steven,
I read your commentary and you still have no proof - and I think Peter's
e-mail was very valid. But by now you should have found at least one
collector that would send you a JPEG of the cover? My God, does
everyone that follows the Keep, Keep it so secret - think about it. In
this digital age we would have a photo/CD-R floating around by now. OK -
you're right Steven, only 2 LPs exists and it's impossible to convice
the owners to make a scan (not scam).
Heh, heh. Vic (having fun of course)
Steven Feldman wrote:
>
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:05:20 -0400 Vic Rek said:
> >>[...]Edgar's lies about the LP not slipping out into the marketplace by
> >>accident (the GREAT WALL OF CHINA mistake should disabuse you of this
> >>misconception), that's your prerogative, but don't try to tell me I
> >>didn't see what I saw.
> >
> >Steven, could you refresh us about the 'Great Wall of China' mistake, I
> >don't recall there was one.
>
> Okay, so maybe it was MARS POLARIS. I'm not a completist anymore.
> I'm spending more time with my kung fu movies hobby nowadays.
>
> >Anyway, you know that as a collector friend with you, I'm still not a
> >believer in your case (but I'm glad that the frequency of this issue has
> >subsided). [. . .]
>
> But now you feel like rekindling the long-standing flame war, eh?
>
> >[. . .] I made my own investigation with the record execs in
> >Hollywood (which you totally discredited), [. . .]
>
> That's right. And if you went to the U.S. Army to inqire about
> UFOs, I wouldn't give any credence to their reply, either. Get my
> point? If said executives had known the truth, they certainly wouldn't
> have told you. When people screw up, they keep their mouths shut: they
> don't tell pesky fanboys secrets that discredit them! Wake up!
>
> >[. . .] but I'm sure that won't ruin your dream to ' The Keep'!
>
> It's no dream for me. For you it might be, but for me it's fact.
> And it's fact for about four other people on the Web, too.
>
> >[. . .] But can it be possible that you saw a promo cardboard ad for
> >the up-coming release? [. . .]
>
> Uhhhhhh . . . no.
> A promo flat, aka ad slick, is the thickness of the front cover (or
> back cover) of an LP. What I saw had shrikwrap and a price sticker on
> it and was in a record bin with other records in the soundtrack section.
> And it was heavy like a record sleeve with a record inside. Nice try.
>
> >[. . .] These thing sometimes can look like real LPs...
>
> Yeah, maybe from a distance of 30 feet, but I held this item in
> my hands and examined both sides.
> Do you really think I would have gone through all the trouble of
> placing ads in GOLDMINE, FANGORIA and CINEFANTASTIQUE for THE KEEP LP,
> and then gone on to devote an entire web site to it -- unless I was
> pretty damned sure that I knew/know this record exists?
>
> -- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
> of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 10:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Groove sales chart
> From: horrod6 [mailto:horrod6@n...]
>
> Just thought you'd like to know that 'Okefenokee Dreams' is number three
> in this week's Groove sales chart - congrats to Marcel and Dave!
Thanks Marion!
I appreciate it.
We had a lot of fun during the Okefenokee Swamp trip
and had a great time playing together.
So who's going in 2001?
Marcel
From:
'Carl Kearney'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 10:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Merchandise
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Phil Wingfield'
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Merchandise
> I remember the days when you could buy small & medium T shirts at gigs.
Now
> every size has an X in it.
>
> Phil.
They are specifically aimed at the TD fan like myself who spends hours
sitting here reading , writing , listening ,mailing and generally getting
out of shape .
Personally I am pleased they come with an x in the title , mind you at this
moment in time I would prefer a XX .
No more Pizzas this week please !!!!!
' Orch '
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2000 10:37
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Peter Stoeferle is not omniscient re all things TD
> From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...]
>
> Besides, I heard the number '300' being quoted as being the print-
> run of the LP by someone who trumps Klaus Beschorner, Peter Stoeferle
> and maybe even Chris Horn combined: Peter Grygorcewicz -- who was the
If there are really 300 copies of the Keep (and I'm not saying that
there aren't) I'm pretty much 1000% sure somebody has said at least
something about it.
Hell there are some bootlegs which has a lower run and I've seen/got
it...
So will the real Keep LP please stand up so we can all sleep again :-)
Marcel
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 4:00
pm
Subject: The Keep LP
>I don't
>recall anybody involved in VOICES IN THE DUNES trying to ascertain the
>veracity of this claim at the time, either. It's not nearly as easy
>to find something if you don't look for it.
The occasional absurd statements like this one do damage the
credibility of _anything_ you say on this subject.
I don't think anybody here will doubt that myself and a bunch of
other collectors are after this thing. We just don't turn
our quest into a crusade.
And it has turned up a tape that could very well be an early studio
master version of the LP (see Blue Moon), but nothing new in
terms of an actual, physical release.
You're serious enough about 'seen it - couldn't afford it - next
day it was gone'. But, at least three other guys on this list alone
have relayed very similar stories over time. Theirs have all
the signs of pranksters at work at a new urban legend.
Or, maybe the LP was pulled off the market in a panic reaction
because first day sales were zero ;-)
klaus
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 7:58
am
Subject: Perth
copied from the TDI website...
'disc six even encompassing a complete live set from Perth'
now this must have been a quite short concert!? I don't think it will be
the Perth March 26, 1975 but the one from 1982 instead...maybe something
like 'Sohoman Part 2'? I have to admit that I'm quite disappointed with
the tracklisting of the 'I-Box', so much of it has already been released
before on various other compilations.
Heiko
From:
Airwave
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 8:47
am
Subject: Re: TD News
Breaking lurk mode because my back is hurting and I can't
go to work and I have nothing better to do ;-))
13/10/00 Pergamon wrote :
> No, all I am saying is that, why on earth keep on ranting how bad a release
> from TD is, when all you have to do is NOT buy it
That is SO completely true. Make up your mind...buy it or don't.
But please quite the endless complaining.
I'm so close to quitting the list. I rarely read it anymore.
This is mostly due to other interests and lack of time, but
the endless complaining certainly takes it's toll on me.
> I can't remember when I last heard a general good review of a TD-album made
> in recent years ( not saing this to get comments on that they haven't
> released anything good )
Well I wrote a couple of positive reviews about Mars Polaris and
Great Wall Of China. I still like both albums but they have begun showing
their age with me. I don't feel the same about them as I did the first
time, and there is no doubt in my mind that both albums has far less
staying power than albums like Force Majeure and Tangram. At least IMO.
Only time will tell is they have some life left in them in 20
years time as Tangram does.
> Well, that music won't come back, enjoy it, but look at the new material
> with fresh eyes, remembering where TD is today and review it then.
I'm sitting here listening to Tradition & Vision by Klaus Schulze and
comparing it to more resent TD. Naaah that's impossible. There are no
comparison. Tradition & Vision is both retro in a big way, and more
visionary than any 90s and 00s TD album yet.
I'm fully aware that KS is difficult for many to swallow, but it seems
to me that a lot of people complaining about KS always sounding the same,
would love the idea of TD recording music as they did in the 70s again.
Wouldn't that make TD the same ? ;-))
Perhabs you should give KS a real chance. You might be surpriced. ;-)
Anyway I personally favor TD from 75-88, with a few exceptions
from 88-00 thrown in. However, I favour Klaus from 1972-2000
with a few exceptions as a whole. Mainly because Klaus has remained
faithful to his roots and refuses to make commercial compromises.
I can't say the same about TD.
TD still makes encredibly good tunes from time to time, but my overall
impression of resent TD is predictability. There seems to be no room for
bold experiments anymore. A shame really, because that's what made TDs
music so exciting in the first place.
When that has been said, I also have to say that I still haven't
heard Seven Letters From Tibet. But if it's anything like the track
on Quinoa Extended, I'm affraid it won't do much for my impression.
Still I need to hear it first.
AirWave (with bent ribs and a hurting back) OUCHHH !!
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 11:49
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 661
Moderator, I know you want an end to this but as I've been away for a few
days, just answering ok? No negativism at all.
------
>This is exactly my point, you hate the fact that you have to pay for
>>>>another version of an undesirable WAHN, but hey...you have allready
bought >6, so why be mad because you have to buy the 7.
>Jan
We are not connecting, Jan. Let's try this: Assume you already have an
almost complete Tangerine Dream collection and they announce the release of
a live recording never before officially available. What would you prefer?:
1) buy the disc as it is, or 2) buy it only as part of a box containing
three or four other discs with music that you already have?
If your answer is 2), fine with me but I'd go for 1).
Frank Arellano commented:
No Doubt!!
This is a tricky one, but as you quoted the entire message I guess it is
meant as some kind of irony. Irony is great but to use it effectively you
need skill and a lot of practise; Keep working on it Frank!
Olle
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 1:39
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
>13/10/00 Pergamon wrote :
>
>> No, all I am saying is that, why on earth keep on ranting how bad a
release
>> from TD is, when all you have to do is NOT buy it
Perhaps someone cares about the art that is in there somewhere.... For me,
in most cases it is not a problem to pay 15 dollars for a CD but it is a
problem when the music stinks. Stinking music is what upset me when I know
the composers can do better. I find it offensive when someone throws
stinking music at me, hehe, when I know they can do better.
I think people rant about these things because they care about TDs music,
and dont like it when it is dragged through the gutter.
Glenn
www.jmjfkn.com
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 2:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD News
Why are 'this close' to leaving the list if you share many of the same
sentiments?
I'm seeing all the D: Album stuff lately, but I've already given my opinions
on my albums less than 3 months, ago, otherwise I would be participating in
those.
I don't know what there really is to talk about on the list these days. A
lot of people leave because the list has come stale, but we always manage to
find something to talk about. Otherwise the list would have died years ago.
'The Keep' stuff is a bit lame. It's unfortunate that nobody has the real
soundtrack, and Edgar likes to put a rubber stamp on the 1997 make-believe
'The Keep' soundtrack and try to convince us it's the real thing. Then
again, we're stuck without the Streethawk material too.
Even though some people don't see TD soundtracks as full-fledged albums (I
felt the same way for a long time), the TD music that's been getting the
most spin time for me has been the soundtracks. Firestarter, Wavelength,
Near Dark, Thief, even Catch Me if you Can.
Sure, some of it is derivative from already-released albums. And it is a lot
of short works. But it's still cool in my book.
And to be honest, besides soundtracks, the majority of my listening is TD
concerts.
I don't know where the list is going, but I don't think it's *that bad*, and
I don't shy away from arguments. Maybe that's just my nature. I can deal
with fireworks, jump in with my comments, and not feel singed in slightest.
And when it gets tiresome, I jump in. I know I've been the cause sometimes,
and sometimes I throw on gasoline. I am amazed at how many questions there
are about TD, and at the people who haven't, or refuse to get a hold of fan
recordings.
Listening to fan recordings in addition to all the officially released stuff
answers a lot of questions about TD's history and evolution. You can hear
cues and qualities that fell between two major album releases and show you
the steps that went on between them. The changes between Pergamon, Exit,
White Eagle, Poland, and Underwater Sunlight were gradual... (Hyperborea was
very much a fluke!)
>From: Airwave
>
>Breaking lurk mode because my back is hurting and I can't
>go to work and I have nothing better to do ;-))
>13/10/00 Pergamon wrote :
>
> > No, all I am saying is that, why on earth keep on ranting how bad a
>release
> > from TD is, when all you have to do is NOT buy it
>
>That is SO completely true. Make up your mind...buy it or don't.
>But please quite the endless complaining.
>
>I'm so close to quitting the list. I rarely read it anymore.
>This is mostly due to other interests and lack of time, but
>the endless complaining certainly takes it's toll on me.
>
> > I can't remember when I last heard a general good review of a TD-album
>made
> > in recent years ( not saing this to get comments on that they haven't
> > released anything good )
I could write a fabulous review, but it would be fiction. :)
>Well I wrote a couple of positive reviews about Mars Polaris and
>Great Wall Of China. I still like both albums but they have begun showing
>their age with me. I don't feel the same about them as I did the first
>time, and there is no doubt in my mind that both albums has far less
>staying power than albums like Force Majeure and Tangram. At least IMO.
>Only time will tell is they have some life left in them in 20
>years time as Tangram does.
>
> > Well, that music won't come back, enjoy it, but look at the new
>material
> > with fresh eyes, remembering where TD is today and review it then.
>
>Anyway I personally favor TD from 75-88, with a few exceptions
>from 88-00 thrown in. However, I favour Klaus from 1972-2000
>with a few exceptions as a whole. Mainly because Klaus has remained
>faithful to his roots and refuses to make commercial compromises.
>I can't say the same about TD.
>
>TD still makes incredibly good tunes from time to time, but my overall
>impression of recent TD is predictability. There seems to be no room for
>bold experiments anymore. A shame really, because that's what made TDs
>music so exciting in the first place.
>When that has been said, I also have to say that I still haven't
>heard Seven Letters From Tibet. But if it's anything like the track
>on Quinoa Extended, I'm affraid it won't do much for my impression.
>Still I need to hear it first.
It's all like Lhasa. If you are a traditional fan, you'll walk away after
the first listen (my opinion of course).
Anyway, I'm off my soap box.
I don't plan to leave any time soon unless I'm asked to by the moderators,
and I hope you stick around too.
-Morgan
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 2:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Keep LP
I remember thhat the movie didn't last more than a week in the theater...I
was too busy to go the first weekend, and when I was going to go the next
weekend, it was already gone.
MJ
>
> Or, maybe the LP was pulled off the market in a panic reaction
> because first day sales were zero ;-)
>
> klaus
>
>
>
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>
>
From:
'Erik Sanborn'
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 6:31
pm
Subject: Re: The Keep LP
Without any physical evidence of the LP, what sort of story did you expect
people to say? The 'seen it, held it, didn't buy it' story is the only one
that makes sense regardless of whether the person is telling the truth or
trying to pull a prank. Certainly there have been pranks involving The Keep
(remember the 8-track? :) but what benefit do I get for claiming to have
seen the LP? None.
Unlike Steven, I am not on a crusade to find the LP nor will I lose any
sleep if you all think I am not telling the truth or am suffering from
selective memory. I offer my $0.02 worth in an effort to provide an
alternative perspective from those few of us who believe that it did exist
at one point in time. If it does still exist somewhere in someone's private
collection, I expect that information will eventually be found out. It's
just a matter of time.
Regards,
Erik
np: EF - Beyond the Storm
> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:00:31 +0200
> From: Klaus Beschorner
>Subject: The Keep LP
>
> >I don't
> >recall anybody involved in VOICES IN THE DUNES trying to ascertain the
> >veracity of this claim at the time, either. It's not nearly as easy
> >to find something if you don't look for it.
>
>The occasional absurd statements like this one do damage the
>credibility of _anything_ you say on this subject.
>
>I don't think anybody here will doubt that myself and a bunch of
>other collectors are after this thing. We just don't turn
>our quest into a crusade.
>
>And it has turned up a tape that could very well be an early studio
>master version of the LP (see Blue Moon), but nothing new in
>terms of an actual, physical release.
>
>You're serious enough about 'seen it - couldn't afford it - next
>day it was gone'. But, at least three other guys on this list alone
>have relayed very similar stories over time. Theirs have all
>the signs of pranksters at work at a new urban legend.
>
>Or, maybe the LP was pulled off the market in a panic reaction
>because first day sales were zero ;-)
>
>klaus
From:
rcade@r...
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 8:29
pm
Subject: Re: CDRS!
'Feldon Feldon' (I think, sorry if I got this mixed-up) wrote:
>I guess you are new to this list.
>Just post a discreet message to the list that you would like
>to trade for concert material. All you need to do is send 2 or 3
>blank CDRs (preferably Verbatim Datalifeplus or TDK blues) or 1 CDR
>and postage, and you can get just about anything in return......
Well, I think this theory has to be tested so if anybody out there
can point me to a good samaritan who are willing to trade concert
material with me just for the enjoyment of spreading the music as
I have practically nothing to trade with please contact me off-list.
I'm especially looking for:
Sea Of Dreams
The Real Dream Encores
Bourbon Street Atari Party
Collected Endings
The Persistence Of A Vision
Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane
Nachtmusic
Spherical Harmonics One
Spherical Harmonics Two
Rolf
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 10:04
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Keep LP
yes, it was a great example of a movie that was almost great- if it hadn't
been so chopped to bits. I really like the premise; I want to read the
books...
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael A Jean
To: tadream@egroups.com
Sent: 10/16/00 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Keep LP
I remember thhat the movie didn't last more than a week in the
theater...I
was too busy to go the first weekend, and when I was going to go the
next
weekend, it was already gone.
MJ
>
> Or, maybe the LP was pulled off the market in a panic reaction
> because first day sales were zero ;-)
>
> klaus
>
>
>
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 9:58
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> Fra: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...]
> Sendt: 16. oktober 2000 15:39
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
> I think people rant about these things because they care about TDs music,
> and dont like it when it is dragged through the gutter.
I agree with you.
I allways listen to a CD before I buy it. Therefore saving myself a lot of
agony with not so good CD's. Thats not entirely true, I just bought a CD
with Astral Projection. Unreleased tracks 84-94. What a piece of s..., not a
CD I love to have in my collection. Allthough there are some good ideas and
beautifull passages in some of the tracks.......hehe...I should have
listened to it first.
Jan
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 11:18
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
Pergamon,
>I allways listen to a CD before I buy it. Therefore saving myself a lot of
>agony with not so good CD's. Thats not entirely true, I just bought a CD
>with Astral Projection. Unreleased tracks 84-94. What a piece of s..., not
a
>CD I love to have in my collection. Allthough there are some good ideas and
>beautifull passages in some of the tracks.......hehe...I should have
>listened to it first.
Dont worry if you have a CD you dont like, I used to think like you before
but now I have realized that its a good thing to have CDs you dont like. It
gives you a new perspective. You can learn something about good music from
listening to bad music.
If you dont know what bad music is, you cant know what good music is.
Remember, there is only two types of music; the music you like, and bad
music.
Glenn
www.jmjfkn.com
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Mon Oct 16, 2000 11:48
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
Glenn Folkvord wrote:
> Dont worry if you have a CD you dont like, I used to think like you before
> but now I have realized that its a good thing to have CDs you dont like. It
> gives you a new perspective. You can learn something about good music from
> listening to bad music.
If I want to hear bad music, all I have to do is turn on the radio...I don't
need to spend money on it! :-)
But when it comes to releases like the 'I-Box' (oh, there's an *eye* on the
cover...the 'eye' box...I get it!), what troubles me is not that I think it
might be bad, but that it might be good. If you don't like TD's current musical
direction, fine, don't buy it - right? But what if you like TD's *old*
direction? The 'I-Box' has about half a dozen new 'old' tracks. But what
drives me crazy (and this is what I wrote to TDI about) is that they don't
provide any information about them. *Are* they new? Old? Who composed them?
Are they out-takes from a particular album? Have they been over-dubbed, or are
they the same as when they were composed? Have they previously been known by
another name? For all we know, 'Akash Deep' could be a tangentized mix of
Dolphin Smile. The only way to find out, of course, is to plop down your money.
But I suppose all of my complaining is useless. The 'I-Box' is already climbing
the bestselller charts. As long as the fans continue to let themselves get
suckered, nothing's going to change in TDI land.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 1:33
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: TD News
>You can learn something about good music from
> listening to bad music.
Yep!!! know the feeling, just turn on MTV........=o)
> If you dont know what bad music is, you cant know what good music is.
> Remember, there is only two types of music; the music you like, and bad
> music.
Actually I have a very broad musictaste, the only thing I really don't
understand is Fusion-jazz.
Jan
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:16
am
Subject: THE KEEP LP Fiasco
Some of the more hardcore TD collectors have e-mailed offlist to
'correct me' about my recent statements. The only one I take back is
the complaint re David David. He did indeed e-mail me at the time to
say to use ftp -- but I was too computer illiterate to use the pre-WWW
version of ftp at the time.
As for quest for THE KEEP, it is because of two main reasons, at
this point:
1) I'm offended that people interpret my testimony as delusion.
1) because so many folk say I'm wrong, I want to rub their noses in
it when the sucker surfaces.
A lot of you just don't get it. For me, it is not a belief: it
is 100% certitude that I saw this record. If it angers some hardcore
fanboys (who feel that they have to always be top authority on all
things TD) that it was a lowly non-completist like myself who saw the
item while They did not, that's just tough luck. Live with it.
Think on this, fanboys: for every TD zealot, there are some 200
fans of horror movies who are more likely to snap up a soundtrack to
a movie with a monster in it than they are. So, the horror fans got
them all -- while you all got squat. This seems like the most likely
scenario, to me. If the authors of certain publications on TD want to
think that it's their God-given right to be first in line for obtaining
this item, *they* are the deluded ones, not me. It seems to me that
of the 300 copies of this album that slipped out, it is not that
surprising that the ever-shrinking world of TD fandom has yet to see
one of them.
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:32
am
Subject: Peter Stoeferle is not omniscient re all things TD
> Besides, I heard the number '300' being quoted as being the print-
> run of the LP by someone who trumps Klaus Beschorner, Peter Stoeferle
> and maybe even Chris Horn combined: Peter Grygorcewicz -- who was the
> greatest TD fan who ever lived.
Scraping the bottom of the barrel now, aren't you, Steven ?
Peter G. would probably have had you out on your ass for this
statement, had it been made in his house when he was still with us.
His twin brother, Paul, has survived the car accident that took
Peters life and is still with us. And, according to him, all
the info they had about a Keep LP had come from you.
Hey, we have enough religious wars going on on this planet
already, no need to add another one.
A bit of personal experience from this weekend. Like everybody
else, I considered myself immune to my memory playing tricks with
me. Visited the Grand Canyon, for the second time in 15 years. It was
bloody cold, and I was sure last time I'd been here in autumn that
there had been a bit of snow on the rim. The f*ck it'd been. I had mixed
my own memories with a photo my friend and fellow TD maniac Graham had
sent me, with _him_ on the GC rim during winter, in the snow...
Honestly, my memory had felt like the REAL thing !
Made me a bit more humble about what I'm sure I remember.
300 copies is a bootleg run. No real publisher would _ever_ have had the
pressing streets be turned on for less than 500 vinyl copies, even
for promos.
Hey, what all us maniacs want is to hold this LP in our hands !
As soon as any one of us gets lucky, proof of existence will be
published.
Good for you, Steven, that you have another hobby, so
your life won't lose it's sense when/if this happens ;-)
I'd really be worried about you, otherwise....;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:38
am
Subject: Klaus' Comments re THE KEEP
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:32:53 +0200 Klaus Beschorner said:
>> Besides, I heard the number '300' being quoted as being the print-
>> run of the LP by someone who trumps Klaus Beschorner, Peter Stoeferle
>> and maybe even Chris Horn combined: Peter Grygorcewicz -- who was the
>> greatest TD fan who ever lived.
>
>Scraping the bottom of the barrel now, aren't you, Steven ?
>
>Peter G. would probably have had you out on your ass for this
>statement, had it been made in his house when he was still with us.
Of course I wouldn't have made it then. I wouldn't want to 'blow
his cover' for having (perhaps inadvertently) said this in passing,
one day. I'd put off mentioning he'd ever said it for a long time,
but I felt it was time.
>His twin brother, Paul, has survived the car accident that took
>Peters life and is still with us. And, according to him, all
>the info they had about a Keep LP had come from you.
This is not true. Peter had knowledge of 'a master tape' of
music from the film (which later surfaced on the Blue Moon boot), which
he did not give me access to. Instead, I got a really bad copy of it
from a friend of the composer of the soundtrack to HELLBOUND: HELLRAISER
II (one of my fave movies).
>300 copies is a bootleg run. No real publisher would _ever_ have had the
>pressing streets be turned on for less than 500 vinyl copies, even
>for promos.
Not true. I was a Bowie collector before I was a TD collector.
Only 300 copies had been made of the 'Cat People' picture disc 45 --
and I had one. Also, I seem to recall that fewer than 200 copies
had been made of the RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT.
>Hey, what all us maniacs want is to hold this LP in our hands !
>As soon as any one of us gets lucky, proof of existence will be
>published.
Uh, no. It'll be mentioned online well beforehand, more like.
You guys really do think awfully highly of yourselves.
>Good for you, Steven, that you have another hobby, so
>your life won't lose it's sense when/if this happens ;-)
Hee hee. That's what they say about UFO buffs: God forbid that
they are proven right, because then they won't have anybody's ear to
bend about their fixation anymore.
>cheers,
>klaus
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:57
am
Subject: THE KEEP and Urban Legendry
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:00:31 +0200 Klaus Beschorner said:
>You're serious enough about 'seen it - couldn't afford it - next
>day it was gone'. But, at least three other guys on this list alone
>have relayed very similar stories over time. Theirs have all
>the signs of pranksters at work at a new urban legend.
Oh, brotttttttther.
I've been harping on this album since 1984, before that bullshit
trendy term had even been coined. And I've been yapping about it on
the tadream list since 1991.
Why is it that no one has tried to make a case for seeing an
album of say, THE SWITCH, or of RED NIGHTS? Tangerine Dream has done
an awful lot of soundtracks, and yet only one has people claiming to
have seen albums of it: THE KEEP. There's a reason for that: it exists.
Duh!
Supposedly, there were promo vinyl issuings of MELROSE and MIRACLE
MILE pressed by Private Music. Ever seen one? I have not.
-- Steven Feldman
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 6:14
am
Subject: No irony intended :-)
<<>> <>
Actually, Olle, you're reading into it much more than I intended :-) I just
haven't learned how to cut, copy, insert and paste yet :-) I was just
confirming your opinion on Ramp's Nodular. This is one of my deserted island
CD's that I pack with me wherever I go for any length of time. For anyone
who hasn't heard it yet, I strongly recommend it. It has some good spacey
floating type of music mixed in with some *awesome* sequencing, and I mean
awesome! I seriously doubt that 'good spacey floating type of music' does
this justice :-) Maybe I need to plagiarize from Graham Getty's book on how
to give reviews :-)
Frank Arellano
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 6:04
am
Subject: That annoying 'KEEP' subject
On 15 Oct 2000 12:40 GMT peter.stoeferle@t... said:
>Probably you do not recall anything because you were involved in that
>discography book project IN NO WAY. Please renounce public explanations
>what we have researched or not.
Errrrr, sorry, but I *was* involved in the VOICES IN THE DUNES in
some small way, since I was the one who discovered for the first time
that there were two different mixes of music on the RISKY BUSINESS
albums. I told Peter G. about this and wrote down the running times
and matrix stamp numbers and suchlike -- and the info wound up being
printed -- with errors -- in VOICES IN THE DUNES.
Actually, I should make a correction to the above paragraph: I am
the first TD fanboy linked to other TD fanboys who discovered the diff
between the two versions of RISKY B. I'm sure that some lesser mortals
knew about it, too. ;)
>Fact is that I own a TD promo postcard of 1983, autographed by Edgar
>Froese, issued shortly after 'Logos', telling the Virgin catalogue number
>of 'The Keep' on its back side.
I have one of these, too, I think.
>There is no reason to accuse Edgar of lies and no reason to accuse us
>(the 'Voices in the dunes' editors) of 'believing Edgar's lies'. Edgar
>had never told anything about LPs not slipping out in the market in the
>way you quoted him. What he said - also talking to us as the 'Dream
>Collector' editors later - is: The LP has never been produced. This is
>rather different from your hearsay (?) version.
Do you mean never produced as in engineered and mixed, or produced
as in held aloft and trumpeted as found?
>Fortunately, Dave Datta was friendly ( :-) ) and searched for some old
>messages from this Mailing List:
Yes, and I appreciate it.
>So you have heard of one who said he was at the end of a chain and he
>never saw... - Be reasonable: Is this a reliable base for any serious
>collector to believe that there was a 1983 'Keep release?
I don't care about what a 'serious collector believes' re this tale.
I know that there was a 1983/1984 release, so I wanted to make sure that
an offer made its way to Japan. I was going to offer a finders' fee for
the guy who supplied the Japanese person's address, and $50 for a tape
of the album, at the time.
>And if any copies had been pressed, why should for more than 17 years
>just one copy of the LP appear on a sales list, but no one saw it?
Maybe because it was only pimply-faced horror movie fans who bought
it immediately, then either sold it at a yard sale or threw it out once
it became too scratchy. TD fans and record collectors in general only
comprise a minute portion of the record- (now CD-)buying public.
>If there were copies and
>they had come to the marketplace, probably at least a few more of them
>would later have been located by TD hunters and collectors, like the
>'Risky Business' promo box or like the 'Mars Polaris' promo CD version.
Now, there you have me. I am at a loss as to why this item has
eluded us all for 16 years.
>But as long as there is NO SINGLE PROOF for a 'The Keep' LP from 1983,
>PLEASE stop discussing it in the style you do it and stop insultng
>people who do not believe in the rumours you spread.
They are not rumors, so *you* are insulting *me*.
-- Steven Feldman
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 6:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: CDRS!
hey, rolf...
i can help you out with a couple of those...
Real Dream Encores
Sea of Dreams
Spherical Harmonics One (though no artwork here...)
i'd be happy to help you out, but if someone else is able to trade with you for
more of these things, it might be easier to deal with one person than
several...
let me know...
j.gordon
--- rcade@r... wrote:
> 'Feldon Feldon' (I think, sorry if I got this mixed-up) wrote:
>
> >I guess you are new to this list.
> >Just post a discreet message to the list that you would like
> >to trade for concert material. All you need to do is send 2 or 3
> >blank CDRs (preferably Verbatim Datalifeplus or TDK blues) or 1 CDR
> >and postage, and you can get just about anything in return......
>
> Well, I think this theory has to be tested so if anybody out there
> can point me to a good samaritan who are willing to trade concert
> material with me just for the enjoyment of spreading the music as
> I have practically nothing to trade with please contact me off-list.
>
> I'm especially looking for:
>
> Sea Of Dreams
> The Real Dream Encores
> Bourbon Street Atari Party
> Collected Endings
> The Persistence Of A Vision
> Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane
> Nachtmusic
> Spherical Harmonics One
> Spherical Harmonics Two
>
> Rolf
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: CDRS!
damn, damn, damn...
sorry about that... meant to be offlist... sigh... got to remember NOT to click
the reply button... force of habit...
j.g
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 12:53
pm
Subject: ground liftaz
is 'ground liftaz' supposed to hip-hop-type language for 'ground lifters'?
as in lifting the ground with the beat of the music or something?
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 1:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ground liftaz
Joe Shoults wrote:
> is 'ground liftaz' supposed to hip-hop-type language for 'ground lifters'?
Yo Bro! ;-)
Heiko
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 12:48
pm
Subject: No irony intended
> I justhaven't learned how to cut, copy, insert and paste yet :-) I was
>justconfirming your opinion on Ramp's Nodular.
Sorry about that Frank. Good to see that there are others who have
discovered Ramp. They certainly deserve a bigger following. Every now and
then one does find an EM artist or group whith that 'little extra'. This is
one of those.
As compensation for the misunderstanding I'd like to recommend another disc
you would most certainly like: Jörg Schääf - Sonar experience. He is a
Schulze pupil, I guess, but don't be alarmed. He's got a very personal
style. Enjoy!
Olle
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 1:08
pm
Subject: LISTOWNER: RE: [tadream] That annoying 'KEEP' subje ct
This looks like a private conversation and should be held off-list. I do
not remember the text of Peter's message below appearing on the list.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
This is an FYI for everybody: It is more than a matter of list etiquette
not to take a private conversation and publish it on-list. Please don't do
this.
Thank you,
Joe Shoults
Listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Feldman
On 15 Oct 2000 12:40 GMT peter.stoeferle@t... said:
>Probably you do not recall anything because you were involved in that
>discography book project IN NO WAY. Please renounce public explanations
>what we have researched or not.
Errrrr, sorry, but I *was* involved in the VOICES IN THE DUNES in
some small way, since I was the one who discovered for the first time
that the
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 1:06
pm
Subject: RE LISTOWNER comment
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:08:43 -0400 Joe Shoults said:
>This looks like a private conversation and should be held off-list.
Agreed. Sorry.
>I do not remember the text of Peter's message below appearing on the
>list. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Actually, it was. Here is the header from the post:
To: tadream@egroups.com
Cc: datta@c..., SonnemannRolf@a..., MatthewDH@w...
From: peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: 15 Oct 2000 12:40 GMT
Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: [tadream] That annoying 'KEEP' subject, 'Voices' and Edgar's 'lies'
From:
'Brian Stewart'
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 8:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ground liftaz
Hi
'ground liftaz' or 'ground lift' is a weightlifting term, 'Deadlift' is, I
believe, more commonly used in America:
'The deadlift could be the most crucial powerlift. It is the final lift in
the competition and boosts the heaviest poundage'
Says it all really!
Brian
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From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 3:08
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] THE KEEP and Urban Legendry
>===== Original Message From Steven Feldman =====
> Supposedly, there were promo vinyl issuings of MELROSE and MIRACLE
>MILE pressed by Private Music. Ever seen one? I have not.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
Well, I did see a vinyl copy (still in the shrinkwrap) of _Melrose_ on sale at
a (now defunct) record store here once. I don't remember the price or the
label though.
Was it a promo? I honestly haven't the foggiest.
Did it surprise me? Not really, since the album came out in 1990, when vinyl
was in its supposed death-throes, so I wasn't overly stunned to see it on LP.
Did I care? Not really, since I knew the album was readily available on CD
and I had already determined I would buy it in the latter format.
Just how much is it supposed to be worth...?
Gabe
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From:
Vincent Goudreault
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 4:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 666
tadream@egroups.com wrote:
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:16:45 EDT
> From: Steven Feldman
> Subject: THE KEEP LP Fiasco
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:38:42 EDT
> From: Steven Feldman
> Subject: Klaus' Comments re THE KEEP
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:57:20 EDT
> From: Steven Feldman
> Subject: THE KEEP and Urban Legendry
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:04:40 EDT
> From: Steven Feldman
> Subject: That annoying 'KEEP' subject
>
Steven,
I believe that I am not the only one who is getting slightly
annoyed at your persistence in rambling old stories without
bringing ANYTHING new in your quest for that elusive Keep LP.
May I suggest that you curb your desire to keep us up to date
until you do have something new to report (and by 'new' I mean
more that just a revisit of old stories)?
True, the list can sometime be quiet, and natures may abhors
a vacuum, but I fail to see why you'd feel compelled filling
it with your personal quest.
C.B.V. Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
'Greg'
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ground liftaz
I found a live track recording from one of the DJ's of this particular trio
on Napster.
Dj Rescue - Denmark - Track 3 - MS
Turntablist Revolution-ITF DJ
This is filled with putrid lyrics of a mad and angry African American
talking
about getting 'kicked to the curb.' No shortage of profane language that is
worse than typical American pop rap and hip hop.
The turntable effects are nothing special IMO, I've heard some better stuff
from a DJ playing around with current Rave music at a dance club.
Hopefully for us as TD fans, this is not what Rescue will bring to Ground
Liftaz
Greg
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:26
pm
Subject: Keep Keep Keep!
Vincent Goudreault wrote:
> I believe that I am not the only one who is getting slightly
> annoyed at your persistence in rambling old stories without
> bringing ANYTHING new in your quest for that elusive Keep LP.
I find them irritating too, to be honest. I think it's great to have a
hobby...obsessions are fine. But I keep mine to myself, for the most part.
And in the end, so what if this LP exists? It's not the Ark of the
Covenent. It's just an album. And not all that special of an album. The
best of the music on it is available on Logos, the Logotypes boot,
Electronic Orgy, and the TDI Keep release. And even then, it's not one of
TD's best soundtracks.
But I suppose that's not the point, is it? It's not even the having of it
that's important to you, Steve...it's the search that defines you. The more
evidence that piles up that refutes it's existance, the more hungry you
get...because knowing you can never have the album must make it all the more
appealing. Quests that can never be fulfilled are so romantic... ;-) In a
sense, this is what drives all hard-core collectors, I think. I know,
because I've felt it.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:30
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Subject: RE: [tadream] Keep Keep Keep!
> From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...]
>
> I find them irritating too, to be honest. I think it's great to have a
> hobby...obsessions are fine. But I keep mine to myself, for the
> most part.
> And in the end, so what if this LP exists? It's not the Ark of the
> Covenent. It's just an album. And not all that special of an album. The
> best of the music on it is available on Logos, the Logotypes boot,
> Electronic Orgy, and the TDI Keep release. And even then, it's not one of
> TD's best soundtracks.
Exactly...
Whether or not it is released in 83/84 I don't care
that much. I listen to the music and I don't find it
that much of an interesting soundtrack.
Marcel
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:49
pm
Subject: RE: LISTOWNER: RE: [tadream] That annoying 'KEEP' subje ct
Actually Peter DID post that text to the list himself, Steve was
just replying to him on-list. Personally I find Steve's quest interesting
and I don't mind even re-hashing of information. In this case I was
not even on-list in 1993 so I never got to read that before. My question
for Steve is what ever happened to your KEEP mailing list??? I was
on it and so were a number of people who were interested as well.
My suggestion is you fire that up again and keep everything else
off of the list other than a simple 'hey, does anyone have access
to the 1993 tadream archives?' Or even just post it to Goblins Club
where more people would be interested in something like that.
(correct me if I am wrong Jeffrey)
Regards,
Joel
On Tuesday, October 17, 2000 8:09 AM, Joe Shoults
[SMTP:joes@f...] wrote:
> This looks like a private conversation and should be held off-list. I do
> not remember the text of Peter's message below appearing on the list.
> Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> This is an FYI for everybody: It is more than a matter of list etiquette
> not to take a private conversation and publish it on-list. Please don't do
> this.
>
> Thank you,
> Joe Shoults
> Listowner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Feldman
>
> On 15 Oct 2000 12:40 GMT peter.stoeferle@t... said:
> >Probably you do not recall anything because you were involved in that
> >discography book project IN NO WAY. Please renounce public explanations
> >what we have researched or not.
>
> Errrrr, sorry, but I *was* involved in the VOICES IN THE DUNES in
> some small way, since I was the one who discovered for the first time
> that the
>
>
>
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 6:56
pm
Subject: The Keep?
Alright, I am kinda a sideliner here but I will state my comments and
observations...
I don't know and probably could really not care if the LP exists or not...I
have several different versions of the soundtrack and as others commented,
none of them are really that compelling. I am not a completist, don't have
the time, the money or the inclination...or for that matter, the marital
stability to be one. I do like live recordings and especially the pre-88
ones, but that is another story.
To Steven: I have absolutely no doubt that you truly believe you held it in
your hands...in fact, for all I know, I held it in my hands. I also admire
your quest...if in fact you believe you held it, I have no reason to think
you would make this up, so in effect, I believe you. I, as a non-completist
fan, also find the tale somewhat fascinating and I am delighted by your
passion for this 'Holy Grail'.
To the Admonishers: Obviously, few of those 'in the know' believe that
Steven actually saw this thing...so what? I agree this thread has become
tiresome, but most of the continuation of this thread is because people keep
propagating the argument. Let it go...if this thing never materializes it
won't matter. As for Urban Legend, so what? If you do not believe Steven
it doesn't matter and if no one cares the thread dies quickly.
This is kinda like the David and Goliath story...Steven is David...Tadream
Discussion list is Goliath. How many of the Israeli's believed David was
gonna kick the shit out of Goliath as he walked up there with a piece of
strap and a few stones? I would say not many. Did David believe he was
about to open a can of whoop ass? Absolutely! Now, what would have
happened if as soon as David confronted Goliath, the big dude walked over
and crushed David instantaneously with say a 400 lb. boulder? In the great
scheme of things, this story probably would not have made the bible, and
people really would not know who David was, which would have derived the
world of the wonderful Book of Solomon...if Steven doesn't find the Keep ST
from '83, ten (or fifty or a hundred) years from now, it won't really
matter. On the other hand, if he DOES find the Keep, judging from what I
have heard, it probably won't really matter either.
Anyway, the point is: Let Steven have his dream if it doesn't hurt YOU, and
if you want this to die, then quit propagating the thread by responding
(which is exactly opposite of what I have done....).
Cheers!
Craig
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:15
pm
Subject: THE KEEP LP Fiasco
> Think on this, fanboys: for every TD zealot, there are some 200
> fans of horror movies who are more likely to snap up a soundtrack to
> a movie with a monster in it than they are. So, the horror fans got
> them all -- while you all got squat. This seems like the most likely
> scenario, to me.
Just that you're not the only horror fan who's a TD buff at the
same time. It were these connections that have turned up the tape that
ended up on the Blue Moon CD. Peter'n'Paul got it from me, btw.,
so at least until then, it was true that all they heard about
an LP had indeed come from you.
You're reading far too much arrogance into people that just
isn't there in reality. That's abrasive, to say the least.
I've deleted several paragraphs of defending my statements here,
because even if you'd get it now, you'd blow your lid again
the next time.
It doesn't get you anywhere.
I happen to know that you were in direct contact with
the person in California who dug up this tape, my original
source. Now, just why might he have shyed away from
letting you have a copy ?
Of course, because he's an arrogant bastard, and his arrogant
bastard TD collector friends have told him not to hand it
out to any form of low-life that could possibly expose
Edgar's lies.... etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam...
Frankly, where you've been, you've left a lot of scorched land.
Hard to pass over for the next determined explorer.
regards,
klaus
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 8:49
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Keep Keep Keep!
How did this whole thing get started anyway?
Wait- nevermind- don't answer that.
I'll just say that I don't mind updates when you put up new infos on your
website, Steven. I usually check them out if I have time, even if I don't
always read the whole texts. I've also enjoyed the Kung Fu movie info. I
don't mind an update once in a while.
Also, I happen to like the soundtrack quite a lot, not that I've perceived
that to be the source of Steven's fanaticism.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
...
> > I believe that I am not the only one who is getting slightly
> > annoyed at your persistence in rambling old stories without
> > bringing ANYTHING new in your quest for that elusive Keep LP.
>
> I find them irritating too, to be honest. I think it's great
> to have a
...
> appealing. Quests that can never be fulfilled are so
> romantic... ;-) In a
> sense, this is what drives all hard-core collectors, I think. I know,
> because I've felt it.
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 8:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The Keep?
LOL ROFLMAO
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:57 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] The Keep?
>
>
> Alright, I am kinda a sideliner here but I will state my comments and
> observations...
>
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 12:09
am
Subject: Re: The Keep?
In a message dated 10/17/00 3:06:31 PM, craig.chambers@m... writes:
>Alright, I am kinda a sideliner here but I will state my comments and
>observations...
[snip]
>Anyway, the point is: Let Steven have his dream if it doesn't hurt YOU,
>and if you want this to die, then quit propagating the thread by responding
>(which is exactly opposite of what I have done....).
Although I'm not involved in the debate either, I want to point out a detail:
I suspect most people are not upset by Steven's insistence that the LP
exists, but rather by the generally abrasive way he responds to any criticism
and/or suggestion that it does not exist.
--Daniel
NP: Symphony X--V (really good... check it out if you like prog-metal)
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 12:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Keep?
>From: quarlie@a...
>
>In a message dated 10/17/00 3:06:31 PM, craig.chambers@m...
>writes:
>
> >Alright, I am kinda a sideliner here but I will state my comments and
> >observations...
>[snip]
> >Anyway, the point is: Let Steven have his dream if it doesn't hurt YOU,
> >and if you want this to die, then quit propagating the thread by
>responding
> >(which is exactly opposite of what I have done....).
>
>Although I'm not involved in the debate either, I want to point out a
>detail:
>I suspect most people are not upset by Steven's insistence that the LP
>exists, but rather by the generally abrasive way he responds to any
>criticism
>and/or suggestion that it does not exist.
Aren't those the same thing?
-Morgan
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 12:34
am
Subject: A New Witness to the KEEP LP Comes Forward
From: Brian Gray Stewart
To: ar402004@b...
cc: pogofish@h...
Subject: The battle rages on!
Message-ID:
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:46:37 +0100 (BST)
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Stephen
Whilst not wishing to become another target in this crazy
flamewar! I would like to add myself to your list of those
who have seen a copy of the Keep 'in the wild' at the time
of its original release. No urban myth, no false
advertising. It was in either the Other Record Shop (now a
bar) or the record department of Boots The Chemist in
Aberdeen, Scotland. Despite bring a chain store Boots at
that time actually had a good record department that
carried the sort of stock that other places tended to shun.
And was often the place where TD releases appeared first in
this city.. Sadly it is no more. It was also a bit safer
than some record shops where you could literally get knifed
for buying something like TD! (you can check out a story
about what happened when Souxie & the Banshees had a
signing session in the Other Record Shop in the late 70's
on many of their websites!) My story is much the same as
the other chap you quoted - I was in my first year at
university and money was V.tight! My TD collection was not
yet up contiguous and I was struggling to decide between
Theif and another TD studio album. The Keep lost!
Soundtracks usually did, I have to say that at that time I
prefered the longer pieces. The copy in the rack sold
quite quickly - I looked at it more than once though. The
copy on the wall was there for quite a few weeks but I
never did have the money.
I also e-mailed an old schoolfriend who was also a TD fan
at that time here is his reply:
---------
The Keep - even i saw it ! ! try other record shop, i
don't remember boots doing it. I think Thief was the one i
didn't like & i don't remember buying it.
Stevie McRae
Technician
http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/
--------------
As for TD records slipping out unawares, I can tell another
story about how I managed to get my copy of the Tangram LP
about three months ahead of its official release!
Keep up the search - I hope one day to hear of your success!
Yours
Brian Stewart
----------------------
Brian Gray Stewart
b.g.stewart@a...
pogofish@h...
+ + + + + + +
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:12:31 EDT
From: Steven Feldman
Subject: Re: The battle rages on!
To: Brian Gray Stewart ,
pogofish@h...
Message-Id: <001017.011356.EDT.ar402004@B...>
Hi,
Mind if I forward the KEEP-sighting you e-mailed me to the tadream
list? Some of those people are a little retarded and need to hear it.
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
From: Brian Gray Stewart
To: Steven Feldman
cc: pogofish@h...
Subject: Re: The battle rages on!
Message-ID:
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:51:31 +0100 (BST)
Steven
Of course you may, I hope my email will go some little way
to convincing the doubters.
Just in case they nitpick! - Here is a copy of my question
to Stevie:
'On a side topic, i fired up Hotmail this morning to find
my mailbox bulging with a flamewar over The Keep. It
seems that a sizable number of the TD list do not
believe it was briefly relased in 83. I certainly
remember trying to choose between it, Thief & one or
two other albums. I think it was Boots but it could
have been the Other Record Shop! I do remember that
they had a copy of The Keep & Thief sitting side by
side in a display above the counter. Can you remember
anymore than I? '
-------
I can also add that whilst the ORS did put empty promo
covers on display, they were allways faced with a slip
that said something like 'Coming Soon', 'Orders Now
Being Taken' or ' Released on.....' (It would be illegal in
Scotland to do otherwise) If there was just a cover on
display you could be certain that the album was there and
for sale!
Best Wishes
Brian
----------------------
Brian Gray Stewart
b.g.stewart@a...
pogofish@h...
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 1:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] A New Witness to the KEEP LP Comes Forward
>From: Steven Feldman
>
>From: Brian Gray Stewart
>To: ar402004@b...
>
>Stephen
>
>Whilst not wishing to become another target in this crazy
>flamewar! I would like to add myself to your list of those
>who have seen a copy of the Keep 'in the wild' at the time
>of its original release. It was in either the Other Record Shop (now a
>bar) or the record department of Boots The Chemist in
>Aberdeen, Scotland.
Steven, are you trying to tell us that The Keep had a day-and-date release
Worldwide and then was recalled 4 days later?
Isn't that stretching things a bit?
-Morgan
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 2:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] THE KEEP and Urban Legendry
> Supposedly, there were promo vinyl issuings of MELROSE and MIRACLE
> MILE pressed by Private Music. Ever seen one? I have not.
I have. Vic
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 4:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] No irony intended
Thanks Olle! I appreciate it very much! I'm always open to other EM
recommendations. I'll take your word on it and buy it. My turn to give you a
rec. Check out Redshift's 'Ether' if you haven't already. It has some
awesome sequencing on it! Particularly tracks one and four, when combined
have more than fifty minutes of great music, some of the best I've ever
heard . -Frank Arellano
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:48 AM
Subject: [tadream] No irony intended
> I justhaven't learned how to cut, copy, insert and paste yet :-) I was
>justconfirming your opinion on Ramp's Nodular.
Sorry about that Frank. Good to see that there are others who have
discovered Ramp. They certainly deserve a bigger following. Every now and
then one does find an EM artist or group whith that 'little extra'. This is
one of those.
As compensation for the misunderstanding I'd like to recommend another disc
you would most certainly like: Jörg Schääf - Sonar experience. He is a
Schulze pupil, I guess, but don't be alarmed. He's got a very personal
style. Enjoy!
Olle
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 7:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
die, thread, die...
this is worse than the eveready bunny...
anybody have any other topics? like:
'What'd ya think about that Bear's Game?'
'Whoa! Hell of a game. HELL of a game...'
j.gordon
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From:
'James E. Jacoby'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 12:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A New Witness to the KEEP LP Comes Forward
Feldon Feldon wrote:
>
> Steven, are you trying to tell us that The Keep had a day-and-date release
> Worldwide and then was recalled 4 days later?
>
> Isn't that stretching things a bit?
Now, I know nothing about 'The Keep' release, but I do know that often times
record companies have mistakenly released items and then hastily recalled
them. Just this past year I've seen it happen with a slew of unreleased
music by rapper Tupac (apparently it was released without the family's
consent), and then again for a soundtrack to the movie 'American Psycho'
(which was later re-released sans one track). It also happens with singles
from time to time. It's totally conceivable to me that there was a 'Keep'
record produced and sent out to record shops only to have someone say, 'Hey,
we never finally approved that! Get them all back NOW!' And since 'The
Keep' probably wasn't in high high demand most of them didn't get the
opportunity to sell before they were sent back a day or two later.
James
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 12:09
pm
Subject: Re: KEEP
Hi,
lets create a separate e-group for THE KEEP. Any volunteers?
(not me, for sure).
armin
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'j.gordon' wrote:
> AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
>
> die, thread, die...
>
> this is worse than the eveready bunny...
>
> anybody have any other topics? like:
>
> 'What'd ya think about that Bear's Game?'
> 'Whoa! Hell of a game. HELL of a game...'
>
> j.gordon
>
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 12:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: KEEP
In a message dated 18/10/00 13:10:43 GMT Daylight Time, ath@s...
writes:
<< lets create a separate e-group for THE KEEP. Any volunteers?
(not me, for sure). >>
Not me neither. Getting sick of hearing about it.
I would rather talk about the Bears and I'm in England.
From:
'Eberly DE (Daniel)'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 1:13
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 667
Just curious, is that from The Prisoner (w/ Patrick McGoohan)?
--Dan
Message: 23
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:16:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: 'j.gordon' >
Subject: Re: KEEP
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
die, thread, die...
this is worse than the eveready bunny...
anybody have any other topics? like:
'What'd ya think about that Bear's Game?'
'Whoa! Hell of a game. HELL of a game...'
j.gordon
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 1:21
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 667
>
>
> Just curious, is that from The Prisoner (w/ Patrick McGoohan)?
>
> --Dan
'We want information. Information. Information.'
'Who are you?'
'You are number 6.'
'Who is number 1?'
'You are the new number 2.'
'I am not a number. I am a free man.'
'Ha.'
or something like that (sorry, it's been a few years since i heard iron maiden)
but no, i didn't take it from the prisonser, though it may have come from
there... i meant in the vein: die, you scum-sucking pig, die... which has been
in a couple of films... =) (B of course...)
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 6:07
pm
Subject: OH, NO! LEGEND: COLLECTOR'S EDITION DVD POSTPONED
Bad, bad news everyone.
The Legend: Collector's Edition DVD (which was officially announced last
month by Universal) has been [POSTPONED]. This is not a joke! We called up
Universal ourselves and can confirm this is true: For now, anyway, the
Legend DVD is dead.
Apparently, there was a rights/creative issues problem with the Bonus
Material. No new date has been set. However, this disc is still probably
somewhere in our future. But it might be a while and will likely have fewer
extras, or at least a different set from those announced.
We've learned that Universal plans to make some kind of official
announcement on this disappointing issue soon... perhaps by the end of this
week. It's a real shame as this looked to be one of the coolest DVD releases
of the year. One can only hope whatever hang-up has occured can be worked
out.
http://www.dvdsewer.com/news/index.htm
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 7:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OH, NO! LEGEND: COLLECTOR'S EDITION DVD POSTPONED
it WAS cool! I got to preview it at the mall the other day, and it was
AWESOME! I just didn't have enough money on me at the time, and when I came
back, they had removed them all...
(sorry. couldn't resist!)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> The Legend: Collector's Edition DVD (which was officially
> announced last
> month by Universal) has been [POSTPONED]. This is not a joke!
> We called up
> Universal ourselves and can confirm this is true: For now,
> anyway, the
> Legend DVD is dead.
>
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 8:42
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] OH, NO! LEGEND: COLLECTOR'S EDITION DVD POSTPONED
Damnit, F..., S..., what the bloody h..., maaaaaan!!!!! here they come to
wreck the day......
Jan
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> Sendt: 18. oktober 2000 20:07
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: [tadream] OH, NO! LEGEND: COLLECTOR'S EDITION DVD POSTPONED
>
>
> Bad, bad news everyone.
>
> The Legend: Collector's Edition DVD (which was officially announced last
> month by Universal) has been [POSTPONED]. This is not a joke! We
> called up
> Universal ourselves and can confirm this is true: For now, anyway, the
> Legend DVD is dead.
>
> Apparently, there was a rights/creative issues problem with the Bonus
> Material. No new date has been set. However, this disc is still probably
> somewhere in our future. But it might be a while and will likely
> have fewer
> extras, or at least a different set from those announced.
>
> We've learned that Universal plans to make some kind of official
> announcement on this disappointing issue soon... perhaps by the
> end of this
> week. It's a real shame as this looked to be one of the coolest
> DVD releases
> of the year. One can only hope whatever hang-up has occured can be worked
> out.
>
>
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From:
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Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 9:35
pm
Subject: IBOX pricing
Good news today. The IBOX will cost less than $50!!
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From:
'Craig Cordrey'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 9:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A New Witness to the KEEP LP Comes Forward
>From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: A New Witness to the KEEP LP Comes Forward
I can't believe I'm keeping this b****y thread going, but I just wanted to
say that I thought I was the only TD fan in Aberdeen, Scotland back in the
early 80s. The Other Record Shop (now a bar called The Nile) was a favourite
haunt and where my TD obsessions started - Phaedra, Force Majeure,
Atem/Alpha Centauri were all bought from that store.
I don't remember seeing The Keep in there, but since I was only a schoolboy
at the time, I doubt I was a particularly regular visitor.
Cheers,
Craig
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 10:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] IBOX pricing
Joel Mullen wrote:
> Good news today. The IBOX will cost less than $50!!
That *is* a surprise...CD Now is selling it for $42 U.S. I still wish that
the two discs worth of new material were available separately, but for a box
set you can't call that a rip-off.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 11:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] IBOX pricing
>From: Sean Montgomery
>
>That *is* a surprise...CD Now is selling it for $42 U.S. I still wish that
>the two discs worth of new material were available separately, but for a
>box
>set you can't call that a rip-off.
Well, it looks like Edgar is really interspersing things. I may be repeating
an earlier post, but I've seen these unrecognizable tracks so far:
Disc 1:
10. Coppercoast
11. The Night at Ayers Rock
Disc 4:
05. Longing for Cashba
09. Ivory Toen
[Plus all the tracks on this disc are labeled as (Live). Hopefully they are
REALLY live unlike Dream Encores.]
Disc 5:
02. Unicorn Saga (live)
[Thought we already had this on Antique Dreams?]
04. Storm Seekers
05. Mount Shasta (live)
07. Akash Deep
08. Crystal Curfew (live)
09. Cool Shibuya
13. Iguana (live)
Disc 6:
01. live in Perth
[Who knows...]
I'm interested. At $42, it's less costly than spending hours putting
together a compilation. Too bad it won't all be untangentized. But judging
from some of the names on discs 1 and 2, they look like they're lifted
directly from the Tangents masters.
-Morgan
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From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 3:54
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] IBOX pricing
>Well, it looks like Edgar is really interspersing things. I may be repeating
>an earlier post, but I've seen these unrecognizable tracks so far:
>
>Disc 1:
>10. Coppercoast
>11. The Night at Ayers Rock
Um...these two tracks come from disc 5 of _Tangents_.
>Disc 4:
>05. Longing for Cashba
>09. Ivory Toen
>
>[Plus all the tracks on this disc are labeled as (Live). Hopefully they are
>REALLY live unlike Dream Encores.]
>
>Disc 5:
>02. Unicorn Saga (live)
>
>[Thought we already had this on Antique Dreams?]
Nope, no track on Antique Dreams called that...doesn't mean it's not a
released track under a new title. Hopefully, it's the extended live version
of 'Loved By The Sun'.
>04. Storm Seekers <--sounds like an Oasis reject...
>05. Mount Shasta (live)
>07. Akash Deep
>08. Crystal Curfew (live)
>09. Cool Shibuya
>13. Iguana (live)
Hopefully the two _Lily_ tracks are from the 1990 Berlin show; they had subtle
but interesting additions--it's too bad the version of 'Alaskan Summer' isn't
included. I'd venture a guess that 'Iguana' might be 'Forest of The Night'
from Sea of Dreams (there's only so much live unreleased material from that
time...)
Alternatively it could be 'Monument Valley'.
>Disc 6:
>01. live in Perth
>
>[Who knows...]
Did they play more than 2 shows in Perth? If not, then it's either from the
mid-70s ('75?), or it's Sohoman pt. 2.
>I'm interested. At $42, it's less costly than spending hours putting
>together a compilation. Too bad it won't all be untangentized. But judging
>from some of the names on discs 1 and 2, they look like they're lifted
>directly from the Tangents masters.
The two you mentioned above are; the rest seems like a recap of _Book of
Dreams_.
Gabe
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 4:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ground liftaz
Joe,
you didn't know Jerome was black in a past life?
Tom :)
--
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>
>
>Joe Shoults wrote:
>
>> is 'ground liftaz' supposed to hip-hop-type language for 'ground lifters'?
>
>Yo Bro! ;-)
>
>Heiko
>
>
>
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 5:24
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] IBOX pricing
On Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:21 PM, Sean Montgomery [SMTP:sean@t...]
wrote:
>
>
> Joel Mullen wrote:
>
> > Good news today. The IBOX will cost less than $50!!
>
> That *is* a surprise...CD Now is selling it for $42 U.S. I still wish that
> the two discs worth of new material were available separately, but for a box
> set you can't call that a rip-off.
>
I am looking forward to the booklet too, that should be nice to have. :-)
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 1:26
pm
Subject: TD DVDs
Hello all, these are all the TD soundtracked items that I know of
that have been released on DVD. Am I missing any? Does anyone
know of any pending DVD releases besides the cancelled LEGEND?
Firestarter
Risky Business
Sorcerer
Thief
Vision Quest
Canyon Dreams
Luminous Visions
Video Dream Mixes
True North
Oasis
What a Blast
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From:
'Miguel Farah F.'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 3:17
pm
Subject: Re: IBOX pricing
>
>Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:35:58 -0500
> From: Joel Mullen
>Subject: IBOX pricing
>
>Good news today. The IBOX will cost less than $50!!
I am surprised, too. I didn't think it'd cost less than 60 bucks.
CD Now has it at 42.27 dollars, and if you follow this URL:
http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499
you'll get a 5 dollars discount (this coupon expires october 29).
CD Now states a release date of december 12. I just hope there won't be
any delays.
I initially didn't want to buy it, but I this low price, I'm thinking
seriously that I'll shell out the bucks...
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From:
'Robert \'JTBob\' Holland'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 3:37
pm
Subject: Info on the Legend DVD
I regularly check out a good web page for DVD
information. See http://www.thedigitalbits.com/
and click on the 10/18 Daily Column about the
DVD. They say it will still be out before year
end.
Robert
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 4:03
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] TD DVDs
I don't know of any more.
However, I discovered a film today which I didn't think existed on VHS with
a TD soundtrack, namely 'The Game of Love', directed by Bobby Roth. If
anyone owns this and has access to a scanner, please send a scan of the
cover!
Paul
----------
>De : Joel Mullen
>Ŕ : ''tadream@egroups.com''
>Objet : [tadream] TD DVDs
>Date : Jeu 19 oct 2000 15:26
>
> Hello all, these are all the TD soundtracked items that I know of
> that have been released on DVD. Am I missing any? Does anyone
> know of any pending DVD releases besides the cancelled LEGEND?
>
> Firestarter
> Risky Business
> Sorcerer
> Thief
> Vision Quest
>
> Canyon Dreams
> Luminous Visions
> Video Dream Mixes
> True North
> Oasis
> What a Blast
>
>
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Info on the Legend DVD
I'll go ahead and post it here:
We've been hearing from a LOT of panicked Ridley Scott fans, who have read
elsewhere on the Net that Universal's Legend: Collector's Edition has been
cancelled. That information is misleading. Here's Universal's official
statement on it:
'The DVD release of Legend Collectors Edition has been postponed until
further notice.'
We've been working closely with Universal and the disc's producers on an
in-depth story on the Legend DVD, and I can tell you wholeheartedly that it
HAS NOT been cancelled. It's just been delayed. I can also tell you that the
delay isn't about legal issues. They merely need more time to finish the
disc to make it as good as you all want it to be. That MAY (note the
emphasis on may) include adding a feature or two, and tweaking the technical
aspects of the release. The delay shouldn't be long and there's every reason
to believe that the title should be out before the end of the year. So hang
tight - Legend is still coming and you're all gonna be the better off for
this delay.
>From: 'Robert \'JTBob\' Holland'
>
>I regularly check out a good web page for DVD
>information. See http://www.thedigitalbits.com/
>and click on the 10/18 Daily Column about the
>DVD.
This is newer information than the other sites have.
-Morgan
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 6:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
I agree, a change in thread is needed. I'd like to propose a new one on
Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I would like to get
some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been thinking about
trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention that he tends to
be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'j.gordon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
> AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
>
> die, thread, die...
>
> this is worse than the eveready bunny...
>
> anybody have any other topics? like:
>
> 'What'd ya think about that Bear's Game?'
> 'Whoa! Hell of a game. HELL of a game...'
>
> j.gordon
>
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 6:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
If you want melodic...Stuntman.
I also like Pinnacles, which reminds me alot of Hyperborea for some reason
and Ages if you like the 'Force Majeure/Cyclone' sound.
> I agree, a change in thread is needed. I'd like to propose a new one on
> Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I would like to
get
> some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been thinking about
> trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention that he tends
to
> be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 6:41
pm
Subject: Re New Thread after THE KEEP: Change the Header!
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:13:21 -0600 Frank Arellano said:
>I agree, a change in thread is needed. [. . .]
Then change the header, so I can delete your postings on this new
thread! X-0 Hee hee.
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 8:11
pm
Subject: Change in Header
Okay Steve, I'll change the header, but not just for you, but for
*everyone's* sake :-) I take comfort in knowing that my mind is not the
only twisted one on this list, maybe not in association with yours
but....[Hey, let's not put every type of sick person in the same ward!]
Hee hee!
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 8:15
pm
Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] TD DVDs
On Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:03 AM, Paul Fellows
[SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote:
> I don't know of any more.
>
> However, I discovered a film today which I didn't think existed on VHS with
> a TD soundtrack, namely 'The Game of Love', directed by Bobby Roth. If
> anyone owns this and has access to a scanner, please send a scan of the
> cover!
>
> Paul
Also known as 'Tonight's the Night' I sent Paul a copy of the cover and back
of the 'The Game of Love' VHS box.
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] TD DVDs
> > However, I discovered a film today which I didn't think existed on VHS with
> > a TD soundtrack, namely 'The Game of Love', directed by Bobby Roth. If
> > anyone owns this and has access to a scanner, please send a scan of the
> > cover!
> >
> > Paul
>
> Also known as 'Tonight's the Night' I sent Paul a copy of the cover and back
> of the 'The Game of Love' VHS box.
I have the laserdisc of this movie, too.
Vic
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 11:20
pm
Subject: test; please ignore
From:
'Jared White'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 11:29
pm
Subject: Edgar Froese Solo Albums
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
>
> I agree, a change in thread is needed. I'd like to propose a new one on
> Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I would
> like to get
> some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been thinking about
> trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention that
> he tends to
> be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
Well, the obvious choice (yet one that everyone has failed to mention so
far) is to get Edgar Froese's 'Beyond the Storm' album/compilation. Of
course, those that think 90's TD and dog doo should be put in the same food
groups probably recoil in horror at the material presented on these CDs, but
since you, Frank, seem to be the open-minded type, I'm sure you wouldn't
have a problem with it. There are a large number of new (circa 1995) tracks,
some better than others, as well as some really nice oldies (some better
than others!). Overall, it's a good set, and a good introduction to Edgar's
work. In fact, it's actually such a good introduction to his work that I
haven't felt compelled to get any of the real albums yet! ;)
Then, of course, you could say Seven Letters from Tibet is Edgar's new solo
album, and you wouldn't be half wrong at that. Except for maybe the third
track (you'll know what I mean when you hear it), it seems to be all Edgar's
doing. At this point in time, maybe that's not a bad thing.... (Ground
Liftaz -- AAAHH!)
So my suggestion is get BtS and Seven Letters from Tibet (if you don't have
it already) first. Then try Stuntman or Pinnacles or one of the others (if
you can get a hold of them) depending on what your tastes are/mood is. Oh,
and I forgot -- even some of the 'old' stuff on BtS is unreleased, so that's
another good reason to get it.
Hope that helps, take care,
Jared
From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 11:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese Solo Albums
Regarding Edgar's solo albums, 'Macula Transfer' is worth anyone's money --
if you can get hold of it. Only a limited number of CDs were released, and
then it was withdrawn for contractual reasons, I believe. It's quite superb
in my opinion. 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' is also highly regarded (although
I personally don't find it as interesting as 'Macula') and 'Ages'
(originally a double-LP bur released on CD with the last track missing) has
its moments. Those two albums might also be difficult to obtain.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jared White'
To:
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:29 PM
Subject: [tadream] Edgar Froese Solo Albums
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
> >
> > I agree, a change in thread is needed. I'd like to propose a new one on
> > Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I would
> > like to get
> > some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been thinking about
> > trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention that
> > he tends to
> > be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
>
> Well, the obvious choice (yet one that everyone has failed to mention so
> far) is to get Edgar Froese's 'Beyond the Storm' album/compilation. Of
> course, those that think 90's TD and dog doo should be put in the same
food
> groups probably recoil in horror at the material presented on these CDs,
but
> since you, Frank, seem to be the open-minded type, I'm sure you wouldn't
> have a problem with it. There are a large number of new (circa 1995)
tracks,
> some better than others, as well as some really nice oldies (some better
> than others!). Overall, it's a good set, and a good introduction to
Edgar's
> work. In fact, it's actually such a good introduction to his work that I
> haven't felt compelled to get any of the real albums yet! ;)
>
> Then, of course, you could say Seven Letters from Tibet is Edgar's new
solo
> album, and you wouldn't be half wrong at that. Except for maybe the third
> track (you'll know what I mean when you hear it), it seems to be all
Edgar's
> doing. At this point in time, maybe that's not a bad thing.... (Ground
> Liftaz -- AAAHH!)
>
> So my suggestion is get BtS and Seven Letters from Tibet (if you don't
have
> it already) first. Then try Stuntman or Pinnacles or one of the others (if
> you can get a hold of them) depending on what your tastes are/mood is. Oh,
> and I forgot -- even some of the 'old' stuff on BtS is unreleased, so
that's
> another good reason to get it.
>
> Hope that helps, take care,
>
> Jared
>
>
>
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 12:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD DVDs
hey joel,
i bought the 'Tommyknockers' on DVD. or does that count. i also just got
'Video Dream Mixes'. i have only seen the first segment but it looks like i
will see alot more of Linda Spa then i ever have. and that's a good thing. :)
tom
>
>Firestarter
>Risky Business
>Sorcerer
>Thief
>Vision Quest
>
>Canyon Dreams
>Luminous Visions
>Video Dream Mixes
>True North
>Oasis
>What a Blast
>
>
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 12:06
am
Subject: EF-solo albums
Hello Frank
My own favorites are Pinnacles and Stuntman, but Epsilon in........ and
Kamikaze is very good also.
Jan
mailto:pergamon@g...
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
> Sendt: 19. oktober 2000 20:13
> Til: tadream@egroups.com
> Emne: Re: [tadream] KEEP
>
>
> I agree, a change in thread is needed. I'd like to propose a new one on
> Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I would
> like to get
> some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been thinking about
> trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention that
> he tends to
> be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'j.gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
>
>
> > AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
> >
> > die, thread, die...
> >
> > this is worse than the eveready bunny...
> >
> > anybody have any other topics? like:
> >
> > 'What'd ya think about that Bear's Game?'
> > 'Whoa! Hell of a game. HELL of a game...'
> >
> > j.gordon
> >
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 12:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: IBOX pricing
i am hoping that by ordering it through TDI that we can have it in our hands
by early November.
tom
--
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:17:46 Miguel Farah F. wrote:
>>
>>Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:35:58 -0500
>> From: Joel Mullen
>>Subject: IBOX pricing
>>
>>Good news today. The IBOX will cost less than $50!!
>
>I am surprised, too. I didn't think it'd cost less than 60 bucks.
>
>CD Now has it at 42.27 dollars, and if you follow this URL:
>
>http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499
>
>
>you'll get a 5 dollars discount (this coupon expires october 29).
>
>
>CD Now states a release date of december 12. I just hope there won't be
>any delays.
>
>
>I initially didn't want to buy it, but I this low price, I'm thinking
>seriously that I'll shell out the bucks...
>
>--
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><*>
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 12:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
--
Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I would like to get
>some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been thinking about
>trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention that he tends to
>be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
NO!
j/k Frank,
well the best ones are the ones that will cost you an arm and a leg. start
with 'Epsylon in Mylasian Pale'. then go with 'Macula Transfer'. see....those
two alone will cost you over a hundred. those are the best. i just got 'Aqua'
on cd (i already had it on vinyl) for $9.99 from www.towerrecords.com. the rest
are non-essential. all in my opinion that is.
tom
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From:
spawnofcthulhu@w...
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 1:25
am
Subject: Phaedra Virgin/BMG ?
Did the Phaedra CDs (CDV 2010) that say 'Mfd. for BMG Marketing...' come
from the BMG Music Club, or did the regular releases all say that?
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 4:37
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD DVDs
On Thursday, October 19, 2000 7:10 PM, tom george
[SMTP:eloy-usa@a...] wrote:
> hey joel,
> i bought the 'Tommyknockers' on DVD. or does that count. i also just
got 'Video Dream Mixes'. i have only seen the first segment but it looks
like i will see alot more of Linda Spa then i ever have. and that's a good
thing. :)
> tom
>
Tom-
I did include any solo stuff so I did not add the three Franke
DVDs I have to the list. I am not positive at all that this is all there
is
for his DVDs either.
Tenchi Muyo, In Love
Universal Soldier
The Tommyknockers
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 4:53
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Phaedra Virgin/BMG ?
On Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:25 PM, spawnofcthulhu@w...
[SMTP:spawnofcthulhu@w...] wrote:
> Did the Phaedra CDs (CDV 2010) that say 'Mfd. for BMG Marketing...' come
> from the BMG Music Club, or did the regular releases all say that?
>
Actually they say 'Mfd. for BMG Direct Marketing' And yes, as far as I know
they were made for the BMG Music Club. BMG pressed alot (all?) of their own
CDs. Some say at a less than superior quality. Anyway they had the BMG
selection number printed on them as well.
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 7:22
am
Subject: Edgar solo
Hi,
I love Edgar's solo albums.
Aqua - released about the same time as Phaedra, but a bit more
rocking in times. Love it
Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - my fave. Very melancholic, a masterpiece
of mellotron, and sequencer. Edgar uses sequencers in a simpler
fashion than Chris
Macula Transfer - relatively simple, may today even sound primitive.
Shorter pieces mostly
Ages - some hate it, some love it. Came out as a double LP, and I
don't manage to hear it in one go. The CD misses the closing
piece for space reasons on the CD format which is quite a
shame. Some pieces rock, some pieces swing... a bit of
everything, and - yep - melodic
up to hear you're in the pure analog phase. Next comes
Stuntman - a classic, and PPG synths take over. Its very very
melodic. Heard the title track for the first time in the german
WDR show 'Schlagerrally' - yes, it went into the charts
Pinnacles - like Stuntman, basically, but longer and broader pieces.
just before the Pinnacles release there was a sampler 'Edgar Froese
solo 1974-79', and the 90s saw 'Beyond the Storm' with some
'Tangentizing' (especially on 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert', a
great track from 'Stuntman') and new material which sounds very much
like late 90s TD (and actually appeared here and there on TD
albums, like on 'The Hollywood Years' and 'Transsiberia').
My advice for the novice would be 'Stuntman' or, for the afficionados
of early TD (the Phaedra - Rubycon lovers) 'Epsilon in Malaysian
Pale'.
armin
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Frank Arellano' wrote:
> I agree, a change in thread is needed. I'd like to propose a new one
on
> Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I would
like to get
> some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been thinking
about
> trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention that he
tends to
> be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'j.gordon'
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
>
>
> > AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
> >
> > die, thread, die...
> >
> > this is worse than the eveready bunny...
> >
> > anybody have any other topics? like:
> >
> > 'What'd ya think about that Bear's Game?'
> > 'Whoa! Hell of a game. HELL of a game...'
> >
> > j.gordon
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> >
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From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 7:30
am
Subject: Re: Edgar solo
Should have added that Froese solos are sometimes hard to get.
The only copy of Ages on CD I've ever seen (and bought immediately)
was in the FNAC in Paris (Forum les Halles), the goddamn best CD
shop I've ever seen in my live. Aqua is flying around in Belfast's
(sort of home town for 4 years) HMV for ages (no pun intended).
Check out 2nd hand stores! I've spotted 'Epsilon...' somewhere in
San Francisco close to the Coit Tower (and didn't buy it for
trading, damn I'm stupid). Somebody once traded me 'Macula Transfer',
I'm still very grateful for this.
don't be frightened by the cover of 'Ages'... ;-)
(geez, I'm replying to my own postings...)
a.
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Armin Theissen' wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I love Edgar's solo albums.
>
> Aqua - released about the same time as Phaedra, but a bit more
> rocking in times. Love it
> Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - my fave. Very melancholic, a
masterpiece
> of mellotron, and sequencer. Edgar uses sequencers in a simpler
> fashion than Chris
> Macula Transfer - relatively simple, may today even sound
primitive.
> Shorter pieces mostly
> Ages - some hate it, some love it. Came out as a double LP, and I
> don't manage to hear it in one go. The CD misses the closing
> piece for space reasons on the CD format which is quite a
> shame. Some pieces rock, some pieces swing... a bit of
> everything, and - yep - melodic
> up to hear you're in the pure analog phase. Next comes
> Stuntman - a classic, and PPG synths take over. Its very very
> melodic. Heard the title track for the first time in the german
> WDR show 'Schlagerrally' - yes, it went into the charts
> Pinnacles - like Stuntman, basically, but longer and broader
pieces.
>
> just before the Pinnacles release there was a sampler 'Edgar Froese
> solo 1974-79', and the 90s saw 'Beyond the Storm' with some
> 'Tangentizing' (especially on 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert', a
> great track from 'Stuntman') and new material which sounds very
much
> like late 90s TD (and actually appeared here and there on TD
> albums, like on 'The Hollywood Years' and 'Transsiberia').
>
> My advice for the novice would be 'Stuntman' or, for the
afficionados
> of early TD (the Phaedra - Rubycon lovers) 'Epsilon in Malaysian
> Pale'.
>
> armin
>
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 7:47
am
Subject: Swamp Trip
Alright everybody!
By popular demand I've been asked to show my face at next years
Okefenokee gathering. At the risk of going out on a limb and of losing my
job and wife I'll be there..... But then again, this top secret underground
nuclear lab job that I have isn't what it's all cracked up to be! And if
I lose my job, then there definitely goes the wife. Ah well... I'm not that
crazy about her anyways . She's just an albatross around my neck! :-) Psst
'Don't let her know I said that, she's meaner than me :-) Next time around,
instead of saying 'I do' I'll be saying 'she'll do'. A wise man learns from
his experience :-) Vic, since you're into collecting mushrooms, make
sure to bring a few of those magical ones for me. Hell, bring some for
everybody! We'd have one helluva time! Hopefully, nobody will fall over the
side of the boat with laughter :-) Are you sure you want to invite me? :-)
Don't say I didn't warn you!
Frank Arellano
For job security and personal safety reasons, this message will be deleted
in about ten seconds.
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 8:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar solo
Talking to yourself could be a sign :-) Thanks Armin, wonderful reviews!
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:30 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Edgar solo
>
> Should have added that Froese solos are sometimes hard to get.
> The only copy of Ages on CD I've ever seen (and bought immediately)
> was in the FNAC in Paris (Forum les Halles), the goddamn best CD
> shop I've ever seen in my live. Aqua is flying around in Belfast's
> (sort of home town for 4 years) HMV for ages (no pun intended).
> Check out 2nd hand stores! I've spotted 'Epsilon...' somewhere in
> San Francisco close to the Coit Tower (and didn't buy it for
> trading, damn I'm stupid). Somebody once traded me 'Macula Transfer',
> I'm still very grateful for this.
>
> don't be frightened by the cover of 'Ages'... ;-)
>
> (geez, I'm replying to my own postings...)
>
> a.
>
>
> --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Armin Theissen' wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I love Edgar's solo albums.
> >
> > Aqua - released about the same time as Phaedra, but a bit more
> > rocking in times. Love it
> > Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - my fave. Very melancholic, a
> masterpiece
> > of mellotron, and sequencer. Edgar uses sequencers in a simpler
> > fashion than Chris
> > Macula Transfer - relatively simple, may today even sound
> primitive.
> > Shorter pieces mostly
> > Ages - some hate it, some love it. Came out as a double LP, and I
> > don't manage to hear it in one go. The CD misses the closing
> > piece for space reasons on the CD format which is quite a
> > shame. Some pieces rock, some pieces swing... a bit of
> > everything, and - yep - melodic
> > up to hear you're in the pure analog phase. Next comes
> > Stuntman - a classic, and PPG synths take over. Its very very
> > melodic. Heard the title track for the first time in the german
> > WDR show 'Schlagerrally' - yes, it went into the charts
> > Pinnacles - like Stuntman, basically, but longer and broader
> pieces.
> >
> > just before the Pinnacles release there was a sampler 'Edgar Froese
> > solo 1974-79', and the 90s saw 'Beyond the Storm' with some
> > 'Tangentizing' (especially on 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert', a
> > great track from 'Stuntman') and new material which sounds very
> much
> > like late 90s TD (and actually appeared here and there on TD
> > albums, like on 'The Hollywood Years' and 'Transsiberia').
> >
> > My advice for the novice would be 'Stuntman' or, for the
> afficionados
> > of early TD (the Phaedra - Rubycon lovers) 'Epsilon in Malaysian
> > Pale'.
> >
> > armin
> >
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Harri Ikonen'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 9:46
am
Subject: RE: TD DVDs
Joel Mullen wrote:
> I did include any solo stuff so I did not add the three
> Franke DVDs I have to the list. I am not positive at all
> that this is all there is for his DVDs either.
>
> Tenchi Muyo, In Love
> Universal Soldier
> The Tommyknockers
Fortress 2: Re-Entry
Solo
Tarzan and the Lost City
The Surgeon (aka Exquisite Tenderness)
And wasn't he on Planetary Traveler too with Haslinger?
Regards,
Harri
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 2:29
pm
Subject: Mill Valley Film Festival '86
This actually came from a question about Stanley Clarke, but mentioned TD.
I was wondering if anyone has any additional info about this event:
> It was a show in 1986 to benefit the Mill Valley film festival at San
> Francisco's Warfield Theatre. Mostly film industry
> types--music composers
> primarily. What a night that was--I rememeber Harry Dean
> Stanton sang, Ry
> Cooder and David Lindley performed music from 'Paris, Texas'.
> There were
> others, I can't recall at the moment. The capper of the evening was
> Tangerine Dream performing their soundtrack music live in
> front of footage
> from various films they did soundtracks for being shown
> behind them. They
> played music from Wavelength, Thief, Sorcerer, Flashpoint and Legend
> (thankfully without Jon Anderson).
>
Thnaks,
Joe
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 2:29
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] ground liftaz
LOL!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom george [mailto:eloy-usa@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:12 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] ground liftaz
>
>
> Joe,
> you didn't know Jerome was black in a past life?
>
> Tom :)
> --
>
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:00:14 Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> >
> >
> >Joe Shoults wrote:
> >
> >> is 'ground liftaz' supposed to hip-hop-type language for
> 'ground lifters'?
> >
> >Yo Bro! ;-)
> >
> >Heiko
> >
> >
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 2:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] KEEP
Well, the Album discussions will be winding down soon. Maybe a weekly
thread on solos? boots? what do you people want?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:13 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
>
>
> I agree, a change in thread is needed. I'd like to propose a
> new one on
> Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I
> would like to get
> some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been
> thinking about
> trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention
> that he tends to
> be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
>
> ----- Orig
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 3:07
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New Daughter
Hey Dell-
Sorry- I missed your message before! Thank you very much.
As for Joie's favorite TD song, I don't know yet, but she has no trouble
sleeping as I play the soundtrack to 'The Soldier' in the car! BTW: My
5-year-old son Jake's favorite is 'Force Majeure', about 12:00 into the
song. He blew me away one night by saying that when he hears that passage,
it makes him think of his 'reat-grandpa, looking down on him from the stars.
I guess that's why some call it 'space music', eh?
I'm not sure if I posted it, but here are the pics:
http://www.yourplacepc.com/jake/joie/
How have you been, anyway?
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aoutland@a... [mailto:aoutland@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:30 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] New Daughter
>
>
> In a message dated 09/28/2000 2:06:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> shoults@s... writes:
>
> << (very proud to announce a new baby daughter! >>
>
> Congratulations, Joe! and to your wife, of course, as
> well. Any idea what
> her favorite TD song is yet? 8-) Dell
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 3:10
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New Daughter
sorry- I meant that for off-list!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...]
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 8:08 AM
> To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] New Daughter
>
>
> Hey Dell-
>
> Sorry- I missed your message before! Thank you very much.
>
> As for Joie's favorite TD song, I don't know yet, but she has
> no trouble
> sleeping as I play the soundtrack to 'The Soldier' in the
> car! BTW: My
> 5-year-old son Jake's favorite is 'Force Majeure', about
> 12:00 into the
> song. He blew me away one night by saying that when he hears
> that passage,
> it makes him think of his 'reat-grandpa, looking down on him
> from the stars.
> I guess that's why some call it 'space music', eh?
>
> I'm not sure if I posted it, but here are the pics:
> http://www.yourplacepc.com/jake/joie/
>
> How have you been, anyway?
>
> -Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aoutland@a... [mailto:aoutland@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:30 PM
> > To: tadream@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] New Daughter
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 09/28/2000 2:06:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > shoults@s... writes:
> >
> > << (very proud to announce a new baby daughter! >>
> >
> > Congratulations, Joe! and to your wife, of course, as
> > well. Any idea what
> > her favorite TD song is yet? 8-) Dell
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From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 3:18
pm
Subject: Off-list/Attention German fans
Hello
May some German fans please go to this URL, seems that a 6-year old girl is in
need of help. I got the info from a German contact:
http://members.aol.com/tips4all/alexandra-6-jahre.jpg
Thank you very much for your attention
Jeffrey
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From:
Sean Harvey
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 3:23
pm
Subject: Concerts
I've been listening to Tangerine Dream since first year university (Exit - to
this day, the woman whispering in Russian sends chills up my spine) back in
1983. I have never been to a concert of theirs and I'd really like to. Would it
be worth it nowadays to go to one, or do people think their glory days have
passed? I'm not a big concert fan in general, but this would be an exception.
And while I'm a big fan of albums like Stratosfear, Tangram and Richochet, I
also love Pergamon (it's probably my favorite of all their work), Oasis and
Melrose. Is there any place I can go to for concert listings?
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 2:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Daughter
Nice pictures of a real cutie anyway :-)
> sorry- I meant that for off-list!
From:
Bennett Cookson
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 4:18
pm
Subject: Kids favorite music
* My 5-year-old son Jake's favorite is 'Force Majeure'
My 6 year old son Benjamin's favorite is 'Alchemy of the Heart' which my
children affectionately call 'The Tiger song.' His favorite artists (non
children's music) are TD and Alan Parsons. Like father like son.
--Bennett
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 4:29
pm
Subject: Re: Edgar solo
In a message dated 10/20/00 3:31:07 AM, ath@s... writes:
>Should have added that Froese solos are sometimes hard to get.
>The only copy of Ages on CD I've ever seen (and bought immediately)
>was in the FNAC in Paris (Forum les Halles), the goddamn best CD
>shop I've ever seen in my live.
Groove Unlimited (www.groove.nl, in case there's anyone around here who
doesn't know) still has the Ages CD listed in their Web catalog. I got my
copy from them less than a month ago, so they probably still have some.
(They've also got Aqua, Beyond the Storm, Pinnacles and one copy of Stuntman.)
I have no idea how one would go about getting CDs of Epsilon or Macula
Transfer, though.
--Daniel
NP: VNV Nation--Empires
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 6:02
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Concerts
They don't really 'tour' like they used to.
But by some miracle if they do, you better listen to some recent music,
'cause I doubt you will get anything from the era you describe!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Harvey [mailto:sharvey@m...]
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:23 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Concerts
>
>
> I've been listening to Tangerine Dream since first year
> university (Exit - to
> this day, the woman whispering in Russian sends chills up my
> spine) back in
> 1983. I have never been to a concert of theirs and I'd really
> like to. Would it
> be worth it nowadays to go to one, or do people think their
> glory days have
> passed? I'm not a big concert fan in general, but this would
> be an exception.
>
> And while I'm a big fan of albums like Stratosfear, Tangram
> and Richochet, I
> also love Pergamon (it's probably my favorite of all their
> work), Oasis and
> Melrose. Is there any place I can go to for concert listings?
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 6:06
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Kids favorite music
Good choice! I think I'll play that next!
Jake is getting to where he can ID TD with one note.
-Joe
np: GWOC- Tiger Forest (I like this!)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bennett Cookson [mailto:bennett.cookson@N...]
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:18 PM
> To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
> Subject: [tadream] Kids favorite music
>
>
> * My 5-year-old son Jake's favorite is 'Force Majeure'
>
> My 6 year old son Benjamin's favorite is 'Alchemy of the
> Heart' which my
> children affectionately call 'The Tiger song.' His favorite
> artists (non
> children's music) are TD and Alan Parsons. Like father like son.
>
> --Bennett
>
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 2:47
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] KEEP
Boots/Concert recording reviews please. Maybe 3 weeks total for TD
concertgoer anecdotes and stories and reviews of concert recordings (and I
*promise* no Edgar-bashing!). I've already got a top 10 in mind :)
-Morgan
>From: Joe Shoults
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: ''tadream@egroups.com''
>Subject: RE: [tadream] KEEP
>Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:33:11 -0400
>
>Well, the Album discussions will be winding down soon. Maybe a weekly
>thread on solos? boots? what do you people want?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:13 AM
> > To: tadream@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
> >
> >
> > I agree, a change in thread is needed. I'd like to propose a
> > new one on
> > Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I
> > would like to get
> > some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been
> > thinking about
> > trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention
> > that he tends to
> > be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
> >
> > ----- Orig
>
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 7:55
pm
Subject: Album discussion
Hello Y'all
I think we should go for the solo-albums. The boots-discussion, could
get pretty boring for some of us, as we don't have the recordings.
Considering how many boots there are, it could be ages before I can enter
the discussions
Jan
mailto:pergamon@g...
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...]
> Sendt: 20. oktober 2000 16:33
> Til: 'tadream@egroups.com'
> Emne: RE: [tadream] KEEP
>
>
> Well, the Album discussions will be winding down soon. Maybe a weekly
> thread on solos? boots? what do you people want?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:13 AM
> > To: tadream@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] KEEP
> >
> >
> > I agree, a change in thread is needed. I'd like to propose a
> > new one on
> > Edgar's solo works. As I don't have any of his solo ones I
> > would like to get
> > some feedback on what you all think about them. I've been
> > thinking about
> > trying one or two of his out since someone earlier mention
> > that he tends to
> > be melodic. Anyone want to start things off?
> >
> > ----- Orig
>
>
>
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 7:58
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Kids favorite music
> My 6 year old son Benjamin's favorite is 'Alchemy of the Heart' which my
> children affectionately call 'The Tiger song.' His favorite artists (non
> children's music) are TD and Alan Parsons. Like father like son.
> --Bennett
My girlfriends son, also called Benjamin, is like me very fond of Enya, but
try to imagine a 4 year old kid trying to sing along with Enya in the Celtic
language.... =)
Jan
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Album discussion
>From: 'Pergamon'
>
> I think we should go for the solo-albums. The boots-discussion, could
>get pretty boring for some of us, as we don't have the recordings.
>Considering how many boots there are, it could be ages before I can enter
>the discussions
Don't be coy! We know you've got tons of it. :)
There are some recordings more popular than others. I can think of 10 boots
that anyone who's been collecting for any length of time has.
I leave it in the list-owners hands.
-Morgan
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 9:16
pm
Subject: future weekly discussions
ok, then. we'll need a list to follow, as Lawry has done so well.
Before I go any further, I want to give an OFFICIALLY HEARTY AND HUGE THANK
YOU to Lawry for guiding us through the weekly album discussions! Some have
been more successful than others in terms of contributions/participation,
but I believe it has been a great success overall!
Lawry, if you would like to manage the next discussion announcements, you're
more than welcome. Let me know.
Let's open a topic of what to discuss next. Morgan wants boots. Someone
else mentioned solo projects. Perhaps seeing a list of both will help us
decide. Any volunteers?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
...
> Boots/Concert recording reviews please. Maybe 3 weeks total for TD
> concertgoer anecdotes and stories and reviews of concert
> recordings (and I
> *promise* no Edgar-bashing!). I've already got a top 10 in mind :)
...
>
> >From: Joe Shoults
...
> >Well, the Album discussions will be winding down soon.
> Maybe a weekly
> >thread on solos? boots? what do you people want?
> >
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From:
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Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 9:08
pm
Subject: New poll for tadream
Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the tadream
group:
The Weekly Studio/Soundtrack Album
Discussions are winding down to a
close. Some have suggested continuing
with weekly Bootleg discussions; some
have suggested covering the Solo works
of the artists. Let us know what you
would prefer in this poll.
Discussions will follow a chronological
format either way.
o discuss Boots/fan CDRs
o discuss Solo works
o discuss neither
o discuss both simultaneously
To vote, please visit the following web page:
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 9:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Album discussion
Eesh! no, I think it is better a community decision.
I have created a poll; you should all receive an announcement about it
shortly.
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
/
> Don't be coy! We know you've got tons of it. :)
>
> There are some recordings more popular than others. I can
> think of 10 boots
> that anyone who's been collecting for any length of time has.
>
> I leave it in the list-owners hands.
>
> -Morgan
>
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 9:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concerts
Sean,
You've got some excellent taste their my friend :-) But if you have
haven't heard some of their nineties stuff, my recs would be along the lines
of 220 Volt, ,Quinoa,Tournado and Mars Polaris, I don't think you'd be
disappointed. You still will find some good tracks in all their other
releases from the nineties, in my opinion of course. Even though TD's music
has changed over the years I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to see them in
concert if I had the chance to do so. Peace,
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Sean Harvey'
To:
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: [tadream] Concerts
> I've been listening to Tangerine Dream since first year university (Exit -
to
> this day, the woman whispering in Russian sends chills up my spine) back
in
> 1983. I have never been to a concert of theirs and I'd really like to.
Would it
> be worth it nowadays to go to one, or do people think their glory days
have
> passed? I'm not a big concert fan in general, but this would be an
exception.
>
> And while I'm a big fan of albums like Stratosfear, Tangram and Richochet,
I
> also love Pergamon (it's probably my favorite of all their work), Oasis
and
> Melrose. Is there any place I can go to for concert listings?
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 9:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] future weekly discussions
>From: Joe Shoults
>
>Before I go any further, I want to give an OFFICIALLY HEARTY AND HUGE THANK
>YOU to Lawry for guiding us through the weekly album discussions! Some
>have
>been more successful than others in terms of contributions/participation,
>but I believe it has been a great success overall!
>
>Lawry, if you would like to manage the next discussion announcements,
>you're
>more than welcome. Let me know.
Agreed. Thank you Lawry for running this and giving us notice on each album.
I'd be anxious to dig through the archives and pull everyone's comments and
reviews on each album and throw it up on tadream.net. If time grew on trees
:)
Ok, if we're doing boots, then we can't cover it all in list-form,
concert-by-concert. TD has played too many concerts for that.
Over the years as TD played various venues, concerts within the same tour
were very similar*. We could break things up by calendar date. Early 1980,
late 1980, spring 1981 tour, fall 1981 tour, 1982 tour, 1983 tour, etc.
*Keep in mind that concerts before 1977 were all improvised, and each
concert stands alone. Even in 1977, there were a few consistent tracks, such
as Monolight and Desert Dream, and then some improvised tracks (often the
second half of the concert).
Fantapes exist in two major forms. There are concert 'fan tapes' on cassette
(DAT, recently) of many of TD's concerts. These get traded around and are of
varying quality. Then there are a relative few duplicated bootlegs. These
were good to exceptional recordings (some off of FM radio, others are just
really good, close-to-the-stage tapes) put out on vinyl and later CD in
quantities of 40-500.
These things often got renamed, and most of the examples below have at LEAST
two names that they have gone by. 'Never trust a bootleg label!' indeed.
Examples include:
Live! Improvised! 1974
Coefficient of Aural Expansion 1975
Danger Live! 1976
Three Tier Dream disc 1 1976
Patrolling Space Borders 1977
Acoustic LSD 1977
Three Tier Dream disc 2 1980
White Cloths 1980 (a recent 4 cassette box)
Dreamtime 1981
Logostypes 1981
RÄtikon 1982
Outback Voices 1982
Three Tier Dream disc 3 & Dream On 1986
Sonambulistic Imagery 1986
Antarktis 1987
Ardem 'O' 1988
Dreaming on Danforth Avenue 1993
So perhaps by specifying a range of concert dates, as well as listing any
major bootleg releases within that range, we can knock out a few years a
week. Obviously 1974-1977 will prove the most difficult as there was little
in common from one concert to the other.
So that's my approach. Maybe it could be covered in 4-5 weeks?
Anything is better than this Keep gibberish! I'd be more excited about
getting a Streethawk boxed set. I'm forming a lynch mob to go to the
Streethawk rights owners :) Anyone with me?!?!
-Morgan
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 10:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New poll for tadream
Hi Joe, Tadreamers,
I'd *really* like to see a discussion of solo works start up, as I don't
have any solo albums from current and former TD members other than Edgar's
'Beyond the Storm' and Chris Franke's 'Pacific Coast Highway' (which,
Frankely, leaves me cold). Paul Haslinger's 'World Without Rules' is on
order at the moment, so I'm awaiting that one with bated breath.
Anyway, I voted for solo albums, but we'll see how it turns out.
Thanks for listening,
Jared
From:
Sean Harvey
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 11:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concerts
Frank Arellano wrote:
> Sean,
> You've got some excellent taste their my friend :-) But if you have
> haven't heard some of their nineties stuff, my recs would be along the lines
> of 220 Volt, ,Quinoa,Tournado and Mars Polaris, I don't think you'd be
> disappointed. You still will find some good tracks in all their other
> releases from the nineties, in my opinion of course. Even though TD's music
> has changed over the years I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to see them in
> concert if I had the chance to do so. Peace,
I've got pretty much one of every commercial release they've produced. No
bootlegs, most of the soundtracks, most of Edgar's stuff, and some of Chris
Franke's stuff (I still stand by my contention that his B5 work was tripe,
and the original soundtrack was lightyears better). When I hear Edgar's solo
work, that is the spirit of Tangerine Dream to me.
Mars Polaris doesn't stick out in my mind and I've listened to it over 20
times so far. 220 Volt Live is okay, as well as Quinoa. I just find the
long sequences that start out slow, then evolve slowly over the next 10 or
20 minutes magical. It's like a sonic aurora borealis - a gorgeous tapestry
of sound that dances sinuously in my ears. I cannot count the number of times
I've listened to Pergamon. Certain parts bring tears to my eyes every time,
and I can say that about precious few pieces of music I've heard.
That's not to say I don't like the modern stuff. Turn of the Tides is great,
and I also like Rockoon (back off, you jackals!) and Goblin's Club. It's just
those sequences like Movements of a Visionary, Stratosfear, Barbakane,
and others that take me to a higher level than other, shorter TD pieces.
And I'd still like to see them in concert, no matter what they play.
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2000 5:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concerts
As long as you live in Europe, or are able to go to Europe. Tangerine Dream
hasn't toured on this side of the pond since 1992.
As for seeing a concert these days, even though some of the recent music
doesn't excite me much, there is something to seeing a live band. Further,
the bridging and blending between their tracks is pretty decent too. The
fact that you like Oasis and Melrose is good sign that you'd like a 'new'
concert of theirs. Also, as far as I know, the first half of their concert
(the vintage set) is remixed versions of classics, with the second half
(modern set) dedicated to their latest works.
I'm not sure what their tour plans are. You can check out Tangerine Dream's
official webpage at http://www.tadream.de/
By the way, if you haven't been TD shopping lately, may I suggest Antique
Dreams? It contains some rare/unreleased classic tracks, most of which have
not gone under the surgery knife (remixing/retouching). I cannot, however,
recommend Sohoman or Soundmill Navigator (unless you can deal with MAJOR
changes to the original concert recordings).
-Morgan
>From: Sean Harvey
>
>I've been listening to Tangerine Dream since first year university (Exit -
>to
>this day, the woman whispering in Russian sends chills up my spine) back in
>1983. I have never been to a concert of theirs and I'd really like to.
>Would it
>be worth it nowadays to go to one, or do people think their glory days have
>passed? I'm not a big concert fan in general, but this would be an
>exception.
>
>And while I'm a big fan of albums like Stratosfear, Tangram and Richochet,
>I
>also love Pergamon (it's probably my favorite of all their work), Oasis and
>Melrose. Is there any place I can go to for concert listings?
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 2:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar solo
Have you folks noticed that Maruba(sp?) Bay on this album was recorded
backwards?
And it still sounds good.
THE HIGHLANDER
p.s. I have put the album version of Ages to CD (so it is complete) if
anyone would be interested in a trade.
>just before the Pinnacles release there was a sampler 'Edgar Froese
>solo 1974-79', and the 90s saw 'Beyond the Storm' with some
>'Tangentizing' (especially on 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert', a
>great track from 'Stuntman') and new material which sounds very much
>like late 90s TD (and actually appeared here and there on TD
>albums, like on 'The Hollywood Years' and 'Transsiberia').
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 3:11
am
Subject: Concerts
Sean,
I find it a little hard to believe that you didn't like Comet's Figure
Head, Spiral Star and Astrophobia! I thought they were outstanding!
I gotta completely agree with you on Pergamon though. That is one
fantastic CD, my all-time favorite TD. I've only got five copies of it :-).
It definitely goes with me on any extended trip I take. I also use it to
introduce people to TD's music. If they don't like it, there's no hope or
point in trying anything else IMO. I always ask myself, 'How can they not
like it! Incredibly some people don't, mostly women. My favorite part is
probably right at the 17:40 minute mark on the first track. Track two is
one of Edgar's greatest works on the guitar. Awesome is one way I would
describe Pergamon. I celebrated Pergamon's twenty year celebration this year
at my shop by getting drunk as a skunk while I worked by myself, listening
to it on repeat, blasting IN FUCK'IN CONCERT! It was great! :-)
I gotta agree on those longer sequences too. Maybe that's why it appears
to me that more people like their earlier era of music. To me the longer
sequences show more depth. I would use the analogy similar to that of making
love, by slowly starting out and slowly building up to climax followed by a
resolution period.
Today I heard Cyclone for the first time. My first impression was that I
thought most of Bent Cold Sidewalk was excellent. I didn't care much / or at
all for Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender. And I did like Madrigal
Meridian, but I haven't had a chance to listen to the whole thing yet.
Peace,
Frank Arellano
Currently jamming to what else? 'PERGAMON' Live and in fuck'in concert !!!
AWESOME
From:
Sean Harvey
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 3:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concerts
> As long as you live in Europe, or are able to go to Europe. Tangerine
Dream
> hasn't toured on this side of the pond since 1992.
I think they were somewhere in Canada when I was in University, but like a
dork living at home who didn't get out much, I skipped it. Sigh. Would have
been awesome, I suppose.
> the bridging and blending between their tracks is pretty decent too. The
> fact that you like Oasis and Melrose is good sign that you'd like a 'new'
> concert of theirs. Also, as far as I know, the first half of their concert
> (the vintage set) is remixed versions of classics, with the second half
> (modern set) dedicated to their latest works.
> By the way, if you haven't been TD shopping lately, may I suggest Antique
> Dreams? It contains some rare/unreleased classic tracks, most of which have
> not gone under the surgery knife (remixing/retouching). I cannot, however,
> recommend Sohoman or Soundmill Navigator (unless you can deal with MAJOR
> changes to the original concert recordings).
Actually, one of my more favorite discs is Livemiles. Even if there are studio
bitz on it, it's still a great couple of sets. I can just picture the
desert at
night with that metallic-sounding chime ringing out over the dunes. Wow!
I actually liked Soundmill Navigator. As I've said, I have no basis for
comparison
so I can't complain. I do have to play it in a bit of a 'mushy' sounding
room to
mask out the 'tsk-tsst' sounds, though. Headphones are right out,
unfortunately.
And as for shopping for TD - fageddaboutit! I'm lucky if anyone who works
at any
of the music stores in town has heard about a group besides Eminem or
Britney Spears.
What is it with these places? I'm 34, and I have comic books that I bought
off the
rack older than the kids that work there!
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 4:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concerts
>From: Sean Harvey
>
>Actually, one of my more favorite discs is Livemiles. Even if there are
>studio
>bitz on it, it's still a great couple of sets. I can just picture the
>desert at
>night with that metallic-sounding chime ringing out over the dunes. Wow!
Livemiles is great and even though it has some studio creations, half of it
was played in concerts (just not necessarily in that sequence).
>I actually liked Soundmill Navigator. As I've said, I have no basis for
>comparison
>so I can't complain.
First 14 minutes are fiction.
I do have to play it in a bit of a 'mushy' sounding
>room to
>mask out the 'tsk-tsst' sounds, though.
Yeah. A pity Edgar didn't elicit help to remove this.
>And as for shopping for TD - fageddaboutit! I'm lucky if anyone who works
>at any
>of the music stores in town has heard about a group besides Eminem or
>Britney Spears.
>What is it with these places? I'm 34, and I have comic books that I bought
>off the
>rack older than the kids that work there!
This is universal. We still buy TD.
There are good stores in every place. There are good stores in Canada. And
mail order isn't as bad as it sounds. I got Dream Roots and Miracle Mile
from RPM Records. No probs. Might spring for the TD 6 disc set even.
-Morgan
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From:
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Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 5:38
am
Subject: Newsweek Mention
A little blurb in Oct 23rd Newsweek...
'A dozen shows have made a play on 'Street' in their title, yet few have
survived the cold (Remember 'Street Hawk'?). With 'The Street' up next, PERI
maps the more memorable locales.'
it shows a graphic of the 4 most well known shows with 'street' in the
title.
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From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 7:23
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Kids favorite music
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Pergamon' wrote:
> > My 6 year old son Benjamin's favorite is 'Alchemy of the Heart'
which my
> > children affectionately call 'The Tiger song.' His favorite
artists (non
> > children's music) are TD and Alan Parsons. Like father like son.
> > --Bennett
>
> Hi my six year old son has loved Towards the Evening Star for about
a year now especially the Bim Bye Oh bit well that's what he calls it.
Gary.
From:
'Hans de Kruis'
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 9:02
am
Subject: KLEM
Hi,
Almost finished on Ebay, the auction for the KLEM cd:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=469117594
Last chance.
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From:
Totta Rydqvist
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 10:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New poll for tadream
Hi
So many different thaughts, i realy think we shall stay on the TD track here
and stay out
of the 'solo ' works, it just seems that it will become to 'big', i votet for
the boot/fan cd
I think it can be nice to take a look at all the 'other' TD material thats out
there.
Thanks
Totta
Jared White wrote:
> Hi Joe, Tadreamers,
>
> I'd *really* like to see a discussion of solo works start up, as I don't
> have any solo albums from current and former TD members other than Edgar's
> 'Beyond the Storm' and Chris Franke's 'Pacific Coast Highway' (which,
> Frankely, leaves me cold). Paul Haslinger's 'World Without Rules' is on
> order at the moment, so I'm awaiting that one with bated breath.
>
> Anyway, I voted for solo albums, but we'll see how it turns out.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Jared
>
>
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 10:47
am
Subject: Legend Back in Theaters?
Can anyone confirm is the film 'Legend' is making it back into theaters
remastered?
I thought I heard a blip of this on the news but wasn't sure. So if anyone
lives in the US
can check this out and conform it, I'll be taking a trip to the theater just
to hear TD in
wonderful booming surround sound.
Greg H.
NP: Hooverphonic: The Magnificent Tree
From:
'James E. Jacoby'
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 12:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in Music Stores
Feldon Feldon wrote:
> >And as for shopping for TD - fageddaboutit! I'm lucky if anyone who works
> >at any
> >of the music stores in town has heard about a group besides Eminem or
> >Britney Spears.
Rest assured, all the employees in my store are sickeningly well aware of
Tangerine Dream. 'He's playing Tangerine Dream AGAIN?!'
James
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 5:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Newsweek Mention
I saw that too, and I thought about posting it to the list, I am glad you
got around to doing it.
On Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:39 AM, Feldon Feldon
[SMTP:feldon23@h...] wrote:
> A little blurb in Oct 23rd Newsweek...
>
> 'A dozen shows have made a play on 'Street' in their title, yet few have
> survived the cold (Remember 'Street Hawk'?). With 'The Street' up next, PERI
> maps the more memorable locales.'
>
> it shows a graphic of the 4 most well known shows with 'street' in the
> title.
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 5:51
pm
Subject: re: Mill Valley Film Festival '86
the benefit show at the Warfield Theatre was almost like an awards show of
sorts--various luminaries from the business of music and movies were
there--speaking or performing or both. Two of the Spinal Tap guys hosted in
character. I remember Michael Mann spoke--he said that we wanted to use TD
for the soundtrack work for Miami Vice, but they were contractually
obligated to do the work for Streethawk. Guess we know which show was the
big hit....
Lessee, I think they rolled out the Bernsteins of soundtrack fame--and
Barbara Streisand sent a letter which one of the guests read. Sort of a
self-congratulatory pat-on-the-back for the movie music biz.
There was also a segment where a scene from Amadeus was shown--with dialog,
but no music and then it was shown with music--showing how music is used in
film to add emphasis or move things a long as it were.
I also remember that the first potion of the event--really sort of like the
pre-show cocktail party featured complimentary chocolates and champagne. I
think the ticket prices were something like $150, $100, and $35
(nosebleeds--a few rows at the very top).
One track on Antique Dreams purportedly came from the TD segment of the
benefit show--the thief/sorcerer part. The date listed should have read
1986 not the one that's on the CD. It may be a typo--although I'm inclined
to believe it has more to do with copyright issues as to why the date listed
on the CD is wrong. Shouldn't have been Edgar's foggy memory of December
1986.
The theatre was dark (really? :)) and the film clips were projected onto a
large screen behind and above TD who were playing soundtrack
music from whatever film clips were being shown. I remember really liking
the part where the truck is swaying on the bridge during sorcerer. I had
never seen the film on the big screen--or come to think of it none of the
films they had clips from that night.
I'm sure I'll remember a few more things--I may have some notes
somewhere--I'll see if I can find them.
I also remember that the ushers kept bugging the guy in front of us to stop
smoking hash in the theatre. Alas, to no avail. :)
--tei
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2000 9:15
pm
Subject: Discussion Week 58 - Sunday 22nd October 2000
Well, the discussion week appears to have died a death... perhaps 60
weeks is a bit long... still, only a few more weeks to go.
This week sees the turn of 'Mars Polaris'. Please make your subject
read 'D:Studio [Mars Polaris]' when posting comments and reviews.
There is no shame in reposting previous reviews you know... just put
the right subject on it and make out you're telling us all something
new. Bear in mind, people will have joined the list since the original
reviews were posted....
Regards,
Lawry
PS - Thanks for the thanks regarding the reminders and schedule for
the discussion weeks. These days sadly, I only just about get chance
to read my email, and never really get the time to be actively
participating in the discussions. It's a bit sad really, as I was
hoping the discussions would help me get to listen to each album in
turn whilst I reviewed it. As it turned out, I only managed a dozen or
so, so I still have TD albums I haven't listened to for a number of
years.
So, I feel I need to hand over the helm for the next round of
discussions to someone that can lead a more active role. Volunteers?
Don't all shout at once! *8-)
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 12:31
am
Subject: Handing Over The Helm
I certainly will consider it, Lawry. Can I carry the big stick too? I really
would like to be the one who dishes out the punishment here. I *really*
would like it 8-)
But he needed a beating!!!
One of the greatest joys I've ever experienced has been watching my
beautiful daughter taking her first steps on her own with a big wonderful
smile on her face. My heart just pours out with love for her.
Frank Arellano
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 2:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar solo
Very, VERY interested in a trade! What is the quality like? I have no
access to a CD-R burner, but would like to offer blank CD-Rs. 2 for
1...right?
Strat
> [Original Message]
> From: Robert Grabowsky
> To:
> Date: 10/20/00 10:05:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar solo
>
> Have you folks noticed that Maruba(sp?) Bay on this album was recorded
> backwards?
> And it still sounds good.
>
> THE HIGHLANDER
>
> p.s. I have put the album version of Ages to CD (so it is complete) if
> anyone would be interested in a trade.
>
>
>
> >just before the Pinnacles release there was a sampler 'Edgar Froese
> >solo 1974-79', and the 90s saw 'Beyond the Storm' with some
> >'Tangentizing' (especially on 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert', a
> >great track from 'Stuntman') and new material which sounds very much
> >like late 90s TD (and actually appeared here and there on TD
> >albums, like on 'The Hollywood Years' and 'Transsiberia').
>
>
>
>
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From:
odean@m...
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 6:29
am
Subject: Levin & Fast in concert
Just got in from a great concert with Tony Levin (of King Crimson fame) and
Larry Fast of Synergy. Jerry Marotta was on drums and Jesse Gress was on
guitar. This was in support of Tony's new CD 'Waters of Eden.' They
played tracks from that as well as Peter Gabriel material, Synergy
stuff and even an intense cover of Led Zeppelin's 'Black Dog.' After the
show, they were very approachable and I had the CD's I brought
signed. Sorry for the off-topic post but I'm still on this 'concert high.'
Oscar
np: Synergy - 'Sequencer'
From:
'Hans de Kruis'
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 2:47
pm
Subject: Bo Hansson
Hi,
Anybody interested in Bo Hansson's Lord of the Rings on cd?
here is the place:
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From:
Glynn Naughton
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 3:25
pm
Subject: 'Careers' of TD tracks
Hello there,
After hearing about the impending release of Roger Waters' _In the Flesh_
and thinking 'Wow - just what the world needs - another release of
'Comfortably Numb'!' I started thinking about the 'careers' of various TD
tracks. Which track has been released the most times? I think that it might
be 'White Eagle'. First on the _White Eagle_ album in 1982 [1], then again
in the same year as 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' [2]. Then again on _Dream
Sequence_ in 1986 [3]. It then had a rest for 8 years before its
regurgitation on _Tangents_ in 1994 [4]. Then a burst of intense activity:
twice on the 1997 world tour CD in the guise of 'Maedchen' remixes [5, 6],
before another appearance about a year later on _Sohoman_ [7]. Have I missed
anything? It might also appear on one of those Disky compilations, which I
don't have, and is it slated for appearance on the I-Box? Surely, double
figures can't be too far away.
One day, it might be caught by 'Towards the Evening Star', which has slowed
after a remarkable burst out of the blocks. Within 18 months of its original
release in September 1996 on _Goblins Club_ it had also appeared as a
regular single [2], a single remixed by the Orb [3 or more? Did this contain
more than 1 remix?], a remix on _DMII_ [4] and as the finale to _Tournado_
[5]. Disappointingly, it seems to have been stalled since then. Or maybe it
appeared on one of those _Atlantic_ compilations? Anyway, its 'release per
year' ratio (RPY) for 1996-1998 is unlikely to be bettered :-)
Actually, I don't claim any great accuracy to the above figures. There are
many TD compilations that I don't own; in particular I have little knowledge
of the wastelands of the endless
Pink/Blue/Purple/whatever-fucking-colour-years compilations. Actually,
thinking about it, just from the releases I'm aware of, 'Dolphin Dance' has
already appeared 6 times - this is probably the ultimate winner and I
suspect it's already into double-figure re-release territory . I know I did
once work out that it's possible to buy all the music on _Underwater
Sunlight_ without actually buying the album itself. With the I-Box, I
suspect that it's now possible to do this twice.
Does someone with a *much* higher boredom threshold than me fancy compiling
these stats more accurately? I thought not...
Glynn
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 3:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Careers' of TD tracks
>From: Glynn Naughton
Interesting thread! Yes, White Eagle seems to be a favorite. I know it's a
favorite track of mine.
>in particular I have little knowledge
>of the wastelands of the endless
>Pink/Blue/Purple/whatever-fucking-colour-years compilations.
The Pink Years (1970-1973) and Blue Years (1983-1987) refer to dates of TD
music. There was a Book of Dreams : Pink Years CD, a Book of Dreams : Blue
Years CD, and then the 5 disc boxed set Dream Roots which also covers Pink
and Blue years. By the way 1974-1982 are the Virgin [Records] years,
1987-1990 are the Melrose years, and I don't even remember the genres after
that.
-Morgan
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From:
'Glynn Naughton'
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 3:42
pm
Subject: Re: 'Careers' of TD tracks
Actually, after a quick browse of the Web, I realise that I was
unfairly accusing 'Towards the Evening Star' of running out of steam.
In fact, it also appeared on _Tang-Go_ and _Dream Encores_. This is
one serious stud of a track! 7 releases in 4 years!
Glynn
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 3:50
pm
Subject: kids favourite music
My 13 year old daughter's favourite is Towards the Evening Star, the original
and The Orb version. Sometimes its hard to get the CD out of her deck from
permanent replay.
Fozziebear
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From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 3:57
pm
Subject: D:[Studio] Mars Polaris
I've been waiting for this week. Great concept, great sound. Favourite
track Astrophobia. Shame about the crash and burn of the recent missions to
Mars. May be one day it will be done and we will have some better pictures of
the red planet.
This is one of my favourite CD's for doing boring jobs to, like the dishes. I
aim to get them all done by the end of Pilots of the Ether Belt, then sit back
and relax and read the day's emails.
Fozziebear, beekeeper.
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 7:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Careers' of TD tracks
Glynn Naughton wrote:
> Which track has been released the most times?
>
If you include all appearances and remixes, I think you have to give the
title to Tangerine Dream's main workhorse, Love on a Real Train.
Love on a Real Train/Guido the Killer Pimp 7'
Risky Business Soundtrack (first pressing - different version)
Dream Sequence
220 Volt Video (another different version)
Tangents
Dream Music II (cover version)
The Collection Vol. 2 (Disky Records)
Born on the Fourth of July - Music from the Films of Tom Cruise
Dreams (Canadian compilation of new agey music)
And then, if you want to cast your net wider:
Risky Business Audio Movie Kit
Antarktis (live version)
a brief appearance during the title track on 'Poland'
And that doesn't even include other variations on the LoaRT theme, such
as:
- 'Running out of Time', from Miracle Mile
- 'Bonding by Candlelight', from 3 O'Clock High,
- 'Taking the Test', from Catch Me if You Can
- 'Mandala' (unreleased soundtrack, played by Jerome on Electrobeats)
Another candidate would be Ride on the Ray, but I'll leave it to someone
else to figure out how many variations of *that* one have turned up.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 9:45
pm
Subject: Tracklist from 'Dream Encores'
Can anyone please mail me the tracklist from Dream Encores. I don't know
whether to buy it, 'coz I'm not sure if it appears under another name !
Thanx
Poul
lakota@g...
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Oct 22, 2000 10:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist from 'Dream Encores'
http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/dencores.html
>From: 'Poul Erik'
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To:
>Subject: [tadream] Tracklist from 'Dream Encores'
>Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:45:18 +0200
>
>Can anyone please mail me the tracklist from Dream Encores. I don't know
>whether to buy it, 'coz I'm not sure if it appears under another name !
>Thanx
>
>Poul
>lakota@g...
>- We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High -
>
>
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 1:23
am
Subject: re: Levin and Fast in concert
Oscar wrote:
>Subject: Levin & Fast in concert
[...]
Sorry for the off-topic post but I'm still on this 'concert high.'<
I saw a show from this 'waters of eden' tour--and it was great--considerably
better than King Crimson 10/20/00.
bleah,
--teiwaz
np: prayer of quiet dreams
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 7:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Concerts / Livemiles
> Actually, one of my more favorite discs is Livemiles. Even if there are
> studio
> bitz on it, it's still a great couple of sets.
Woo Hoo! A believer!
Livemiles kicks boo-tay... is, was and ever will be the penultimate CF/EF
combo... (okay, okay, paul was in there somewhere... =)
The first 45-48 minutes of music is stupendous, imho...
When I first recorded this ablum way back in collage... er, college, from a
dormmate, i only got the first 45 minutes (basically cutting out after the
second movement in the West Berlin concert, the part with the heavy bassline)
as i only had 90 minute tapes and needed room for underwater sunlight... i
listened to only this version for about 7 years until i got the CD... i must
say, i was almost salavating at the thought of another 12 minutes of this most
excellent music by the time i got it... talk about a popped balloon... the last
12 minutes is so new sounding, so un-livemiles sounding, i thought i'd gotten
some *%#! remix disc... but no, i found out that's the way it is... sigh...
but still, my fave unequivical...
and in that vein, can anyone point to 'the studio parts' of Livemiles... i
figured the last half of the West Berlin concert... but would like a little
more verification... and did anyone ever go to this concert in Albuerquerque?
or heard of a fantape from it?
j.gordon
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 8:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Album discussion
> > I think we should go for the solo-albums. The boots-discussion, could
> >get pretty boring for some of us, as we don't have the recordings.
> >Considering how many boots there are, it could be ages before I can enter
> >the discussions
that's interesting, because i'm the complete reverse... don't have but one or
two solo albums, but many bootlegs...
i'd expect that many of the list is split like this...
i figure, myself, it's not a question of solos OR bootlegs and such, but
merely, which one should we discuss first...?
j.gordon
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 9:23
am
Subject: TDI Releases
Finding my way through the vast amount of material released on TDI, I find
that some numbers are missing in my collection. Can somebody with more
knowledge than me let me know what is missing from my collection.
I have TDI numbers 1-16, 18-22 and 26-29.
Details of any missing titles would be appreciated.
Cheers
Derek
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From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 11:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Careers' of TD tracks
Sean Montgomery wrote:
> If you include all appearances and remixes, I think you have to give the
> title to Tangerine Dream's main workhorse, Love on a Real Train.
>
> Love on a Real Train/Guido the Killer Pimp 7'
> Risky Business Soundtrack (first pressing - different version)
> Dream Sequence
> 220 Volt Video (another different version)
> Tangents
> Dream Music II (cover version)
> The Collection Vol. 2 (Disky Records)
> Born on the Fourth of July - Music from the Films of Tom Cruise
> Dreams (Canadian compilation of new agey music)
>
> And then, if you want to cast your net wider:
>
> Risky Business Audio Movie Kit
> Antarktis (live version)
> a brief appearance during the title track on 'Poland'
More LoaRT's:
Electronic Orgy - 3 versions (!)
The Keep, by Fantasy Merchants (cover version)
Antonio Nunes
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From:
'Gibbons, Conrad'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 12:33
pm
Subject: Any questions for Edgar/Jerome? :-)
:-D :-D :-D
Anyone going to Berlin this weekend?
I will be there!
Maybe if I meet Jerome (or Edgar if he is there also??!! ;-) ) I could ask
him some questions that you might like answered.
If so please let me know. My private email is: conradg@e...
This is a good chance for us to get the answers to interesting questions!!
;-) Email me before Thursday afternnon. ;-)
Please do not email to ask me to get t-shirts etc. as I have only room for
hand-luggage for the plane and already have been asked by close friends to
do this!!!
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons
TD fan from Ireland
From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 2:14
pm
Subject: Livemiles
In a message dated 10/23/00 6:46:19 AM, tadream@egroups.com writes:
<< and did anyone ever go to this concert in Albuerquerque?
or heard of a fantape from it?
j.gordon
>>
I was at this concert. I was a senior in high school and I dragged some
friends and my dad, who was the oldest guy in the audience. It was a magical
event, but the cd is not even a close representation of what was played.
-Alan Cox
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 2:36
pm
Subject: Some information about the delay of Ridley Scott’s 'Legend'
October 23, 2000
We've gotten some further information on the announced delay of Legend:
Collector's Edition from Universal Home Video. The delays, according to Matt
Kalinowski of Universal Home Video, will allow time for the ‘...completion
of additional bonus materials being developed for the title, as well as some
technical issues that needed to be resolved.’
Unfortunately, Mr. Kalinowski was not able to state when the disc's new
release date would be.
Additional bonus materials sounds just fine with us. When it comes down to
it, we’ll gladly be patient and wait for a title to be done right rather
than rushed out the door. As we know many of you are anxiously awaiting this
one (believe me, so are we), we’ll let you know the moment we have official
word.
http://www.dvdreview.com/html/news.html
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From:
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Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 3:41
pm
Subject: CDR project : Current Status
Hello Everyone
The CDR project with music by various members from the list is in a very
good way to become reality in December 2000 or January 2001 (just in time
for the new Millenium).
I now received a lot of tracks (see track listing below).
The music will surely create a very nice compilation.
I will begin to work on the CDR in November, so anybody from the list who
still wants to be part of the adventure, is of course wellcome.
The more we are, the best it will be.
The CDR project is not a TD tribute but a musician gathering, so don't worry
about the music style. The TD-like tracks are of course the most present
pieces in the project, but there are a few ones with different influences.
The title of the project is not yet decided ; see below for the suggestions
i received, these past few weeks.
Every member who still wants to be in the CDR(s) project can contact me (see
e-mail address below) for sending me a track and a profile.
The 'registration' will end on Monday November 6th 2000
I would like to create a CDR (or a double one) with a lot of different
musicians with various influences.
Let's get connected for the Adventure.
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
---------------------------------------
Track listing :
- TWO ARE ONE ' Love of life' (Time Scallon)
- Jeff BERGMAN 'An Intense & Intimate Journey Into your Mind' (J. Bergman)
- SATSUMA NIGHTMARE 'Grating Lobes' (Alan Stocker / Jon Angell)
- DARKLION 'Desert Line (excerpt)' (Darklion)
- DREAM CONSPIRACY 'Dysfunction' (excerpt) (Matthew Sringer / John Stringer
/ Stephen Fletcher)
- NIGHTBIRDS 'Nouvelles analogies' or 'Agdalena' (excerpt) (R.V. / Blue
Maze)
- Brian FRICK 'Sequential 97' (B. Frick)
- Olivier BRIAND 'Transparences' (O. Briand)
- Fred YARGUI 'Fred 345' (F. Yargui)
- OLYAM 'Atlas' (Olyam)
- NEMESIS 'Mind Journey' or 'Moon Trigger' (Ami Hassinen / Jyrki Kastman)
- EPHEMERIS 'Astronautilus'
- IONIC 'From Gulf to Gulf' (J. Gordon)
- FREE SYSTEM PROJECT 'Faraday' (Marcel Engels)
- DWELLER AT THE THRESHOLD 'World Without End' (Paul Ellis / Dave Fulton)
- John GENTILE (i'm currently waiting for two tracks)
- DARKLION AND OLYAM 'Bubble Bells' (Darklion / Olyam) collaboration track
created part in Toulouse part in Paris but both musicians never met for this
track.
I hope to get some other tracks.
--------------------------------
Title suggestions
- Tributaries (as the project is not a tribute i think i will not use this
title)
- Melatone'n
- Synthesis (already used in many ways)
- Dream Watchers Tales
- Oneirology
- Oneiric Inspirations
- Hallucinotronic Synthesis (too close to techno trance music style but
there is no trance music in the project)
- Mellotonin
- Dream Mirrors
- Maze of Dreams
- Dream World (already used ?)
- Universe of Dreams
- Weblinks
- The Web Friends Connection
- Virtual Project
- Tangible Dreams (already used by the old TDIFC)
- Internet Corner
- Computer Connection
- The Cyber Music Project
- Dreamlist
- Virtual Gathering
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From:
'Rhen, Kris'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 3:31
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] CDR project : Current Status
Yannick. still don't see my stuff listed. Please add it if you would.
http://www.mp3.com/3DarkHours - I'd recommend Exodus - Passover. Thanks
KRIS
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yannick.edom@s... [mailto:yannick.edom@s...]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:42 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] CDR project : Current Status
>
>
> Hello Everyone
>
> The CDR project with music by various members from the list
> is in a very
> good way to become reality in December 2000 or January 2001
> (just in time
> for the new Millenium).
>
> I now received a lot of tracks (see track listing below).
> The music will surely create a very nice compilation.
>
> I will begin to work on the CDR in November, so anybody from
> the list who
> still wants to be part of the adventure, is of course wellcome.
> The more we are, the best it will be.
>
> The CDR project is not a TD tribute but a musician gathering,
> so don't worry
> about the music style. The TD-like tracks are of course the
> most present
> pieces in the project, but there are a few ones with
> different influences.
>
> The title of the project is not yet decided ; see below for
> the suggestions
> i received, these past few weeks.
>
> Every member who still wants to be in the CDR(s) project can
> contact me (see
> e-mail address below) for sending me a track and a profile.
>
> The 'registration' will end on Monday November 6th 2000
>
> I would like to create a CDR (or a double one) with a lot of different
> musicians with various influences.
>
> Let's get connected for the Adventure.
>
> Friendly from France
>
> Yannick Edom
> Mirage Créations
> Champlain B7 A 101
> 47 Chemin de Pelleport
> 31500 TOULOUSE
> FRANCE
>
> e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Track listing :
>
> - TWO ARE ONE ' Love of life' (Time Scallon)
> - Jeff BERGMAN 'An Intense & Intimate Journey Into your Mind'
> (J. Bergman)
> - SATSUMA NIGHTMARE 'Grating Lobes' (Alan Stocker / Jon Angell)
> - DARKLION 'Desert Line (excerpt)' (Darklion)
> - DREAM CONSPIRACY 'Dysfunction' (excerpt) (Matthew Sringer /
> John Stringer
> / Stephen Fletcher)
> - NIGHTBIRDS 'Nouvelles analogies' or 'Agdalena' (excerpt)
> (R.V. / Blue
> Maze)
> - Brian FRICK 'Sequential 97' (B. Frick)
> - Olivier BRIAND 'Transparences' (O. Briand)
> - Fred YARGUI 'Fred 345' (F. Yargui)
> - OLYAM 'Atlas' (Olyam)
> - NEMESIS 'Mind Journey' or 'Moon Trigger' (Ami Hassinen /
> Jyrki Kastman)
> - EPHEMERIS 'Astronautilus'
> - IONIC 'From Gulf to Gulf' (J. Gordon)
> - FREE SYSTEM PROJECT 'Faraday' (Marcel Engels)
> - DWELLER AT THE THRESHOLD 'World Without End' (Paul Ellis /
> Dave Fulton)
> - John GENTILE (i'm currently waiting for two tracks)
> - DARKLION AND OLYAM 'Bubble Bells' (Darklion / Olyam)
> collaboration track
> created part in Toulouse part in Paris but both musicians
> never met for this
> track.
>
> I hope to get some other tracks.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------
>
> Title suggestions
>
> - Tributaries (as the project is not a tribute i think i will
> not use this
> title)
> - Melatone'n
> - Synthesis (already used in many ways)
> - Dream Watchers Tales
> - Oneirology
> - Oneiric Inspirations
> - Hallucinotronic Synthesis (too close to techno trance music
> style but
> there is no trance music in the project)
> - Mellotonin
> - Dream Mirrors
> - Maze of Dreams
> - Dream World (already used ?)
> - Universe of Dreams
> - Weblinks
> - The Web Friends Connection
> - Virtual Project
> - Tangible Dreams (already used by the old TDIFC)
> - Internet Corner
> - Computer Connection
> - The Cyber Music Project
> - Dreamlist
> - Virtual Gathering
>
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From:
'Harri Ikonen'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 3:37
pm
Subject: Re: Concerts / Livemiles
> Livemiles kicks boo-tay... is, was and ever will be the penultimate
> CF/EF combo... (okay, okay, paul was in there somewhere... =)
Umm, Book of Dreams credits Livemiles Part 1 to Froese and Haslinger,
but not Franke. A typo? I don't think so...
Regards,
Harri
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 4:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Concerts / Livemiles
--- Harri Ikonen wrote:
> > Livemiles kicks boo-tay... is, was and ever will be the penultimate
> > CF/EF combo... (okay, okay, paul was in there somewhere... =)
>
> Umm, Book of Dreams credits Livemiles Part 1 to Froese and Haslinger,
> but not Franke. A typo? I don't think so...
Pfagh! details, details... =)
besides there have been enough typos to last TDI and Edgar a lifetime... and
the music isn't that far off of CF's style...
j.gordon
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 4:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar solo
I'm sure you meant that to be off-list.
Discuss concerts, boots, etc., but please keep trading activities off-list.
Thank you,
Listowner
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> From: Neal Frost [mailto:Strat95@E...]
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:12 PM
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 4:46
pm
Subject: D:[Studio] Mars Polaris (what's that story?)
before I lent my Mars Polaris to someone who refuses to return it (a
successful convert!), I remember there were some pretty cryptic notes in the
little booklet. Something about (damn- I can't remember) some sort of
'book', and it was written by Edgar???
Can anybody post and interpret?
thanks
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Foster [mailto:fozziebear@b...]
> Subject: [tadream] D:[Studio] Mars Polaris
>
>
> I've been waiting for this week. Great concept, great
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 4:50
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tracklist from 'Dream Encores'
http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/dencores.html says this:
01. Order Of The Ginger Guild
02. Forth Worth Runway One
03. Eleanor Rigby
04. Oriental Haze28k 56k
05. Story Of The Brave
06. Thief Yang And The Tangram Seal
07. Catwalk
08. Purple Haze28k 56k
09. The Midnight Trail
10. Rolling Down Cahuenga
11. Towards The Evening Star
12. Dominion
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poul Erik [mailto:lakota@g...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 5:45 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Tracklist from 'Dream Encores'
>
>
> Can anyone please mail me the tracklist from Dream Encores. I
> don't know whether to buy it, 'coz I'm not sure if it appears
> under another name !
> Thanx
>
> Poul
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From:
horrod6
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 5:51
pm
Subject: Re: TDI Releases
Derek,
I'm sure some guru will be able to point you at the necessary website to
get this information, but just in case the gurus are all on holiday this
week, here's my humble mite....
TDI CD006 - dream mixes II
TDI CD014 - sohoman
TDI CD015 - what a blast
TDI CD016 - mars polaris (I *promise* I'll get round to posting a review
of this one...sometime!)
TDI CD018 - 220 volt live
TDI CD020 - tyranny of beauty
TDI CD022 - great wall of china
TDI CD028 - antique dreams
Just in case the numbering varies from country to country or whatever,
(I can't see why it should, but hey, I'm not a CD marketing person)
these were all purchased in the UK from conventional record stores,
except Antique dreams, which I got from GrooveUnlimited.
Hope this helps
Marion
P.S. Okefenokee Dreams is now at number 2 in the Groove chart - hooray!
From:
aslanfan1@a...
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 6:22
pm
Subject: Interest in sales of TD items
Hey list members,
I am at a turning point in my life where I am forced to focus more on my new
baby and less on my cd collection. So...
I am seriously considering unloading a number of TD items that I've worked
hard to acquire. I want to put some items up on ebay, but before I do so, I
was wondering if you guys could give me a feel for what kind of interest
there is on a scale of 1-5 on the following items:
Tangerine Dream - Zoning
Tangerine Dream - Danger Live
Tangerine Dream - Electronic Orgy
Edgar Froese - Aqua
Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
Edgar Froese - Ages
Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer
Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (original Theta release)
Johannes Schmoelling - White Out (Polydor)
Chris Franke - Raven
Chris Franke - Tenchi Muyo
Chris Franke - Night of the Running Man
Chris Franke - Perry Rhodan
I appreciate your feedback, as I'm having a hard time parting with these but
know I need to. If there is sufficient interest, I'll notify the list when
they go up.
Thanks,
Alan Cox
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 6:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDI Releases
Thanks for the info but what I am looking for is numbers 17 and 23-25 and
anything after 29.
Cheers
Derek
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 7:08
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Releases
On Monday, October 23, 2000 4:23 AM, GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
[SMTP:GKNARFAPPAZ@a...] wrote:
> Finding my way through the vast amount of material released on TDI, I find
> that some numbers are missing in my collection. Can somebody with more
> knowledge than me let me know what is missing from my collection.
> I have TDI numbers 1-16, 18-22 and 26-29.
> Details of any missing titles would be appreciated.
> Cheers
> Derek
>
Derek, you are only missing the TDI re-release of 'Rockoon'
under the new numbering system 17(see below) Your missing
numbers 23-25 are not assigned yet (again see below).
Originally TDI started with a different numbering system
(and a slightly different looking catalog number) They
released these before starting over when the Dream Dice
set was released. (And I will not even get into missing
and addtional tracks and cover art variations)
TDI Jim & Pablo CD 1 'Der Meteor'
TDI 001CD The Dream Mixes (Double)
TDI 002CD Tyranny of Beauty
TDI 003CD Turn of the Tides
TDI 004CD Rockoon - Special Edition (pic disc)
TDI 005CD Limited World Tour Edition 1997 (LE5000)
TDI 006CD Shepards Bush (LE 2000)
TDI 007CD Oasis
TDI 008CD Tournado-Tangerine Dream Live
TDI 009CD Timesquare-Dream Mixes II
TDI 010CD The Keep-Special Edition (1997 LE 150?)
TDI 011CD Ambient Monkeys
***start of new numbering system***
TDI Silver Single-Dream Dice Vol. 1
TDI CD001 Ambient Monkeys
TDI CD002 Atlantic Bridges
TDI CD003 Atlantic Walls
TDI CD004 Dream Encores
TDI CD005 Dream Mixes I
TDI CD006 Times Square-Dream Mixes II
TDI CD007 Hollywood Years I
TDI CD008 Hollywood Years II
TDI CD009 Oasis
TDI CD010 Quinoa
TDI CD011 Tournado
TDI CD012 Transiberia
TDI-CD 013 Valentine Wheels (Live in London 1997)
TDI CD014 Sohoman-Live in Sydney 1982
TDI CD015 What a Blast
TDI CD016 Mars Polaris
TDI CD017 Rockoon
TDI CD018 220 Volt
TDI CD019 Turn of the Tides
TDI CD020 Tyranny of Beauty
TDI CD021 Canyon Dreams
TDI CD022 Great Wall of China
TDI (no number) The Keep - 1999 special re-issue
These next 3 are not assigned to anything yet, but I assume
they will be the three 'back catalog' releases that have not
been released on TDI yet. (Optical Race, Lily on the Beach,
Melrose)
TDI CD023
TDI CD024
TDI CD025
TDI CD026 Tang-Go (double)
TDI CD027 Soundmill Navigator-Live at the Philharmonics 1976
TDI CD028 Antique Dreams
TDI CD029 7 Letters from Tibet
TDI CD030 (most likely I-Box)
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Joel
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 7:51
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Album discussion - vote in the poll!
right. we'll get around to all of them eventually.
here are the current poll results:
discuss Boots/fan CDRs 7 38.89%
discuss Solo works 7 38.89%
discuss neither 0 0.00%
discuss both simultaneously 4 22.22%
we have plenty of people here that have enjoyed/benefitted from our past
weekly discussions; please speak up!
let's have a poll with more than a small asample of our subscribers
responding. Please click here to vote:
http://www.egroups.com/surveys/tadream?id=371437
> -----Original Message-----
> From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...]
...
> i figure, myself, it's not a question of solos OR bootlegs
> and such, but
> merely, which one should we discuss first...?
>
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 7:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Album discussion - vote in the poll!
I just tipped the scales in favor of the Boots discussion... :-)
discuss Boots/fan CDRs 8 42.11%
discuss Solo works 7 36.84%
discuss neither 0 0.00%
discuss both simultaneously 4 21.05%
Craig
> right. we'll get around to all of them eventually.
>
> here are the current poll results:
>
> discuss Boots/fan CDRs 7 38.89%
> discuss Solo works 7 38.89%
> discuss neither 0 0.00%
> discuss both simultaneously 4 22.22%
From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2000 8:34
pm
Subject: Tracklist ' dream encores '
Thanx everyone for helping me out on the track :o)
Poul
lakota@g...
- We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High -
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From:
odean@m...
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 1:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Careers' of TD tracks
At 12:09 PM 10/23/00 +0100, you wrote:
>More LoaRT's:
>
>Electronic Orgy - 3 versions (!)
>The Keep, by Fantasy Merchants (cover version)
>
>Antonio Nunes
And let's not forget the killer cover version by Global Communication!
Oscar
From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 12:08
am
Subject: Re: Concerts
>Even though TD's music
>has changed over the years I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to see them in
>concert if I had the chance to do so. Peace,
I agree with Frank. I've seen at least a hundred concerts, including some
bands that put on great shows, but TD in '86 was still by far the best for
me. Of course, I didn't see them when they toured the states in '77,
otherwise my opinion might be different.
As far as a listing of concerts, I wrote a book a couple years ago entitled
'Mysterious Semblance,' that was a chronology of the band, meshing together
all their concerts, albums, lineup changes, etc. I've been half-heartedly
working on a second edition, but the first edition, current through '99, is
still available. Let me know off-list if you're interested.
Scott
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 12:13
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar solo
CRAP! I am so sorry!!! I thought I wuz! As long as I live I will never EVER
figure out how to work this @#$%& (blasted) thing!
Neal
> [Original Message]
> From: Joe Shoults
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Date: 10/23/00 12:25:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar solo
>
> I'm sure you meant that to be off-list.
>
> Discuss concerts, boots, etc., but please keep trading activities
off-list.
>
> Thank you,
> Listowner
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Neal Frost [mailto:Strat95@E...]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:12 PM
>
>
>
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 12:13
am
Subject: D:[Studio] Mars Polaris
I love Mars Polaris. I think it's their best work since... well, probably
all of the '90s. One thing I noticed, though, was that each track seems to
have a shade of earlier TD tracks in it. I haven't listened to it recently,
so I can't recall which ones. I'll give it another listen.
Scott
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Album discussion - vote in the poll!
Yeah, well, I just tipped them the other way :-) Not really :-) I voted
for both of them simultaneously. I didn't want to leave anyone
. -Frank Arellano
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Craig Chambers'
To:
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Album discussion - vote in the poll!
> I just tipped the scales in favor of the Boots discussion... :-)
>
>
>
> discuss Boots/fan CDRs 8 42.11%
> discuss Solo works 7 36.84%
> discuss neither 0 0.00%
> discuss both simultaneously 4 21.05%
>
> Craig
>
>
> > right. we'll get around to all of them eventually.
> >
> > here are the current poll results:
> >
> > discuss Boots/fan CDRs 7 38.89%
> > discuss Solo works 7 38.89%
> > discuss neither 0 0.00%
> > discuss both simultaneously 4 22.22%
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles
Hey Alan! I grew up in Albuquerque. I graduated from Manzano in 78' when
we/I used to kick everyone's a** in basketball :-) and just about in
everything else too :-) Frank
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From:
To:
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:14 AM
Subject: [tadream] Livemiles
>
> In a message dated 10/23/00 6:46:19 AM, tadream@egroups.com writes:
>
> << and did anyone ever go to this concert in Albuerquerque?
> or heard of a fantape from it?
>
> j.gordon
> >>
>
> I was at this concert. I was a senior in high school and I dragged some
> friends and my dad, who was the oldest guy in the audience. It was a
magical
> event, but the cd is not even a close representation of what was played.
>
> -Alan Cox
>
>
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
Alan, the ones that I would possibly interested in would be Electronic Orgy
[ Anyone who doesn't have this one, should! :-), but Edgar and co. may not
even allow it on ebay .], Aqua, Ages, Macula Transfer and EIMP.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:22 PM
Subject: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
> Hey list members,
>
> I am at a turning point in my life where I am forced to focus more on my
new
> baby and less on my cd collection. So...
>
> I am seriously considering unloading a number of TD items that I've worked
> hard to acquire. I want to put some items up on ebay, but before I do so,
I
> was wondering if you guys could give me a feel for what kind of interest
> there is on a scale of 1-5 on the following items:
>
> Tangerine Dream - Zoning
> Tangerine Dream - Danger Live
> Tangerine Dream - Electronic Orgy
> Edgar Froese - Aqua
> Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
> Edgar Froese - Ages
> Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer
> Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (original Theta release)
> Johannes Schmoelling - White Out (Polydor)
> Chris Franke - Raven
> Chris Franke - Tenchi Muyo
> Chris Franke - Night of the Running Man
> Chris Franke - Perry Rhodan
>
> I appreciate your feedback, as I'm having a hard time parting with these
but
> know I need to. If there is sufficient interest, I'll notify the list when
> they go up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alan Cox
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
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>
>
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:08
am
Subject: LoART covers continued/Re: 'Careers' of TD tracks
LoART is covered by Global Communication--once on their album '76:14' as '
8'07>5'23 ' and it's reissued on the double singles collection 'maiden
voyage' along with three remixes one by the grid, another by michael brook
and finally one by spiritualized (aka j. spaceman).
So right there you have the same track twice plus three remixes in
all--albeit covers. GC have learned from the best :)
--teiwaz
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Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:16
am
Subject: Re: Album discussion
Perhaps we can discuss the tape trees in numerical order. And having said
that, perhaps once again offer them up for trade--in the other forum...that
shall remain nameless...as not to offend this list owner too much.... I
know I'd like to get some of them. Like the ones I signed for and never got
[grove] [whine]
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From:
'Harri Ikonen'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 12:39
pm
Subject: Re: Concerts / Livemiles
> > Umm, Book of Dreams credits Livemiles Part 1 to Froese and
> > Haslinger, but not Franke. A typo? I don't think so...
>
> Pfagh! details, details... =)
I already explainen my view during the D:Livemiles week, but
in case you missed it...
First off, various sources (including Franke himself) have
reported that Chris left TD soon after the Berlin 1987
concert. Livemiles came out in early 1988, which means that
Franke had very little to do with it. Of course, we all know
that the first two segments of Livemiles part 2 were actually
played on the concert (and were only slightly remixed for
the album). As for Livemiles part 1 and the last segment of
part 2, to my knowledge there haven't been any 1986/1987
tapes or cd-r's which contain that specific material.
And stretching the assumption a little bit further, part 1
and especially its rhythm track reminds me more of the
Private Music era than the blue (Jive/Electro) years. Of
course, I'm not saying that Franke couldn't write stuff
like that, but at least to me it sounds quite simplistic
compared to their earlier works. It's also possible that
the excerpt on Book of Dreams was written by Froese and
Haslinger without any contribution from Franke and that
Chris composed some of the other segments.
However, considering that part 1 was mostly conceived
in studio (especially after Chris's departure) and that
some bits of it were played on the 1988 Optical Race
tour (where they played mostly Froese/Haslinger music,
apart of few mandatory classics) I find that a little
bit questionable.
Please keep in mind that this is all my speculation.
Until I hear the whole truth (and nothing but the
truth) from the horse's mouth, I will stick to this.
Feel free to disagree :-)
Regards,
Harri
PS. Does anybody know the story behind Three O'Clock
High soundtrack? Did Levay continue where TD left off
or vice versa? Again, it sounds like a Froese/Haslinger
soundtrack to me.
From:
'tom george'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 1:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
hey frank,
i am not trying to hurt Alan's Ebay sales but 'Aqua' is available at
www.towerrecords for $9.99.
tom
--
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:00:54 Frank Arellano wrote:
>Alan, the ones that I would possibly interested in would be Electronic Orgy
>[ Anyone who doesn't have this one, should! :-), but Edgar and co. may not
>even allow it on ebay .], Aqua, Ages, Macula Transfer and EIMP.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
>To:
>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:22 PM
>Subject: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
>
>
>> Hey list members,
>>
>> I am at a turning point in my life where I am forced to focus more on my
>new
>> baby and less on my cd collection. So...
>>
>> I am seriously considering unloading a number of TD items that I've worked
>> hard to acquire. I want to put some items up on ebay, but before I do so,
>I
>> was wondering if you guys could give me a feel for what kind of interest
>> there is on a scale of 1-5 on the following items:
>>
>> Tangerine Dream - Zoning
>> Tangerine Dream - Danger Live
>> Tangerine Dream - Electronic Orgy
>> Edgar Froese - Aqua
>> Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
>> Edgar Froese - Ages
>> Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer
>> Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (original Theta release)
>> Johannes Schmoelling - White Out (Polydor)
>> Chris Franke - Raven
>> Chris Franke - Tenchi Muyo
>> Chris Franke - Night of the Running Man
>> Chris Franke - Perry Rhodan
>>
>> I appreciate your feedback, as I'm having a hard time parting with these
>but
>> know I need to. If there is sufficient interest, I'll notify the list when
>> they go up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Alan Cox
>>
>>
>> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
>> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
>> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Concerts
hey Scott-
Do you still have a URL for people to order the book?
-Joe
P.S. hey- are you going to Ozric Tentacles Nov 15th?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott [mailto:splumer@w...]
...
> As far as a listing of concerts, I wrote a book a couple
> years ago entitled
> 'Mysterious Semblance,' that was a chronology of the band,
> meshing together
> all their concerts, albums, lineup changes, etc. I've been
> half-heartedly
> working on a second edition, but the first edition, current
> through '99, is
> still available. Let me know off-list if you're interested.
>
> Scott
>
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From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 4:13
pm
Subject: Albuquerque tree'd?
Hey Dreamers,
Boy I sure echo tei waz, I have some of the digital tree which was opening a
whole new world of TD for me. I really wish some kind soul who has some of
the remastered digital tree would offer to seed a new tree. Maybe between
all of us we can put together a good collection. Sea of Dreams has some
great segments of TD concerts and the sound quality is great (compared to
some of my other concert tapes), I wish the whole concerts could be used to
seed a tree.
Still Dreaming,
Steve
p.s. I was also at the Albuquerque 86 concert, one of those very special
moments in my life. Although Livemiles may have a small piece of the
Albuquerque concert, I have not been able to accept it as real yet. Anybody
have a concert tape to help me out.
****************
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:16:37 PDT
From: 'tei waz'
Subject: Re: Album discussion
Perhaps we can discuss the tape trees in numerical order. And having said
that, perhaps once again offer them up for trade--in the other forum...that
shall remain nameless...as not to offend this list owner too much.... I
know I'd like to get some of them. Like the ones I signed for and never got
[grove] [whine]
--teiwaz
_
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From:
Bennett Cookson
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 4:30
pm
Subject: Year 2000 coming to an end, where's the TD concert?
Looking at the calendar I'm realizing that Year 2000 is coming to an end,
But where's the TD concert?
--Bennett
np: 220 volt - I would have loved to be there to hear 220 volts live
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 5:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Albuquerque tree'd?
>From: 'Whiteley, Steve'
>
>
>p.s. I was also at the Albuquerque 86 concert, one of those very special
>moments in my life. Although Livemiles may have a small piece of the
>Albuquerque concert, I have not been able to accept it as real yet. Anybody
>have a concert tape to help me out.
If you can settle for a concert from the same month, with the same songs in
the same sequence, perhaps Sonambulistic Imagery would do the trick? I know
it doesn't have as much sentimental value, but it's a clearer recording :)
-Morgan
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From:
'David Foster'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 5:04
pm
Subject: Klaus Sculze
If someone has the Live CD and or LP version by KS can they please tell me if
there is any difference between the two. I have the LP version and was
wondering whether it was worth getting the CD.
Thanks
fozziebear@b...
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Year 2000 coming to an end, where's the TD concert?
> np: 220 volt - I would have loved to be there to hear 220 volts live
that was such an awesome concert... a table two feet from the stage at the
warfield in san francisco... ten feet from linda, and her just exuding sax...
ahhh...
;)
j.gordon
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'j.gordon'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Albuquerque tree'd?
> Anybody
> have a concert tape to help me out.
ME TOO!!!!
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 7:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Sculze
David,
I think the only difference is a complete version of 'Sense' as opposed to
the LP version which was cut. An additional 25 minutes or so...this is from
memory, so don't frag me if I am wrong. I particularly like this era...but
I like all the eras. I guess if you don't have any of the other 'live'
releases from KS in this time frame late 70-early 80, I would probably get
another one if you already have it on LP. Of course, if you really want to
splurge, get the Historic Edition Set...
Craig
> If someone has the Live CD and or LP version by KS can they please tell me
if there is any difference between the two. I have the LP version and was
wondering whether it was worth getting the CD.
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 8:36
pm
Subject: Some questions for the pros...
I have recently started remastering and transferring some of my many tapes
to CD and I have a few questions:
Question 1:
The tape recording that was tree'd a while back of TD's concert at Kennedy
Center, Washington, DC, 09.08.88 has some filler on it:
Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
Track 2-Lost Tale
Track 3-Milchko
Any ideas or details where these are from?
Also, I have two recordings:
'Pyramid Dreams II'
1-Don Alfonso-Deutsch version
2-Chia Maroon
3-Nebulous Dawn
4-Times
5-Antidote
6-Logic
7-Fracture
8-Iron (bonus track by Klaus Schulze)
and:
'? ? ? ?'
1-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
2-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
3-Galago (Johannes Schmoelling)
4-Timesteps (Christopher Franke)
5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream)
6-Gloria Mundi (Christopher Franke)
7-Horns of Doom (Tangerine Dream)
8-Tyger (Tangerine Dream)
9-Heiser Schness/Niege Brulante (Tangerine Dream)
10-Space Trucking-Excerpt (Tangerine Dream)
Any ideas where this stuff originated from or information regarding the
various tracks? I would be most grateful...
Regards,
Craig
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From:
rteale@3...
Date: Tue Oct 24, 2000 11:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some questions for the pros...
Well, I recognize one track that you listed:
> Question 1:
> The tape recording that was tree'd a while back of TD's concert at Kennedy
> Center, Washington, DC, 09.08.88 has some filler on it:
>
> Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
That is some Christopher Franke solo material, probably from his London
Concert album. Good stuff. The whole London Concert is mostly extended
versions of some of his Pacific Coast Highway album, with a few extras such
as 'Dolphin Dance', taken from the TD album Underwater Sunlight.
You can see all about Christopher Franke's solo work at
http://www.sonicimages.com/action.lasso?-response=/HP/cf/index.html
Roy
From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:15
am
Subject: Re: Concerts / Livemiles
From April of this year:
Greetings all-
This is an excerpt from the Live FAQ that I posted waaaaaaaaaaaaay
back in Jan 97 on the old list. I've added a little more info to it
that I omitted the first time.
++++++++++++++++
_LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes
say. I know what the Official Homepage says. I know what Edgar says.
But I also know that what my own ears are telling me is quite a
different thing! Having been present at the Alberquerque concert, and
in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocately state
with absolute accuracy that *not*one*single*bit* of _Livemiles_:
'Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! That includes the
'intro'! It has *got* to be a studio session! Either that or the
soundcheck was *really* something! If you have the _Sonambulistic
Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the entire tour program,
including the Alberquerque show. The only real differences were in
the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois
de Boulogne' and in Toronto there was an additional guitar encore to
make up for the power interruption during the gig.
As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a
special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th
anniversary celebration, which holds the performance rights to this
concert. The concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually
broadcast on Oct. 22 that same year, after some _slight_ studio work
was done to it. In order to release it for _Livemiles_, however, the
band had to completely reperform the material chosen for the CD, due
to the contract with the city. The opening track, 'Caspian Sea', is
pretty faithful to the concert version, with just some minor voiceing
changes, and ditto the second track, 'Sunnyvale' (though the tempo
for both is faster than was originally played.) However, the last
track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of what was
performed. The version as played in the concert was the same version
as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the boots
_Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality.
++++++++++++++++++
FYI, the song titles indicated for the Berlin track are official.
Although there also appears to be a *second* title for the second
track: 'Velvet Autumn'. The following is info from Mark Schaffer and
John Burek (with a [very] little hand from me!): In the same radio
show (Schwingungen 2/23/89) that named Samba Motel, the latter 4 - 5
minutes of this track was played and called Sunnyvale. However, the
radio announcer's track list for the original '87 broadcast gives the
track between Dolphin Dance and Smile as Velvet Autumn! It's
possible that the band supplied the radio station with a skeleton
track list, and that subsequently Edgar gave the tracks new names
when he went on the radio show on WDR two years later (thereby
showing that he had forgotten that some of the tracks already had
names).
The '88 shows did feature _Livemiles_:'Alberquerque' pts. 2 & 3, so
at least it can be said that *some* of the material was played
live...eventually!
goozer
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:30
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Concerts / Livemiles
> The '88 shows did feature _Livemiles_:'Alberquerque' pts. 2 & 3, so
> at least it can be said that *some* of the material was played
> live...eventually!
Actually, the '88 versions sound way too much like the _Livemiles_ version
to be considered 'live' by me! Sounds like someone on stage uses their
magnificent musical talent to trigger a CD player to my ears...
Craig
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:38
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some questions for the pros...
> Well, I recognize one track that you listed:
>
> > Question 1:
> > The tape recording that was tree'd a while back of TD's concert at
Kennedy
> > Center, Washington, DC, 09.08.88 has some filler on it:
> >
> > Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
>
> That is some Christopher Franke solo material, probably from his London
> Concert album. Good stuff. The whole London Concert is mostly extended
> versions of some of his Pacific Coast Highway album, with a few extras
such
> as 'Dolphin Dance', taken from the TD album Underwater Sunlight.
>
> You can see all about Christopher Franke's solo work at
> http://www.sonicimages.com/action.lasso?-response=/HP/cf/index.html
>
> Roy
Okay! I knew that! Thanks Roy...I just couldn't place it but I knew I had
heard that sequence...
Thanks again!
Craig
From:
'Stephen'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:46
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some questions for the pros...
Hi !
Maybe the answers you looking for could be found in this German site
http://www.stephan-schelle.de/ in the TD section, Track lists & duration of
each tracks in various albums incl. solo albums and Ost albums
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Chambers
To:
Sent: 25 Oktober 2000 3:36
Subject: [tadream] Some questions for the pros...
> I have recently started remastering and transferring some of my many tapes
> to CD and I have a few questions:
>
> Question 1:
> The tape recording that was tree'd a while back of TD's concert at Kennedy
> Center, Washington, DC, 09.08.88 has some filler on it:
>
> Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
> Track 2-Lost Tale
> Track 3-Milchko
>
> Any ideas or details where these are from?
>
> Also, I have two recordings:
>
> 'Pyramid Dreams II'
> 1-Don Alfonso-Deutsch version
> 2-Chia Maroon
> 3-Nebulous Dawn
> 4-Times
> 5-Antidote
> 6-Logic
> 7-Fracture
> 8-Iron (bonus track by Klaus Schulze)
>
> and:
> '? ? ? ?'
> 1-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
> 2-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
> 3-Galago (Johannes Schmoelling)
> 4-Timesteps (Christopher Franke)
> 5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream)
> 6-Gloria Mundi (Christopher Franke)
> 7-Horns of Doom (Tangerine Dream)
> 8-Tyger (Tangerine Dream)
> 9-Heiser Schness/Niege Brulante (Tangerine Dream)
> 10-Space Trucking-Excerpt (Tangerine Dream)
>
> Any ideas where this stuff originated from or information regarding the
> various tracks? I would be most grateful...
>
> Regards,
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 1:19
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some questions for the pros...
> Maybe the answers you looking for could be found in this German site
> http://www.stephan-schelle.de/ in the TD section, Track lists & duration
of
> each tracks in various albums incl. solo albums and Ost albums
>
>
> Stephen
Thanks Steven,
That did narrow down a few of these...
> > Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
KLEM 1 Sampler 1989 and/or The London Concert...is the KLEM version edited
from the London Concert?
> > Track 2-Lost Tale
KLEM 1 Sampler 1989
> > Track 3-Milchko
> >
> > Any ideas or details where these are from?
> >
> > Also, I have two recordings:
> >
> > 'Pyramid Dreams II'
> > 1-Don Alfonso-Deutsch version
> > 2-Chia Maroon
> > 3-Nebulous Dawn
'70-'80 box set
> > 4-Times
> > 5-Antidote
> > 6-Logic
> > 7-Fracture
> > 8-Iron (bonus track by Klaus Schulze)
> >
> > and:
> > '? ? ? ?'
> > 1-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
> > 2-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
> > 3-Galago (Johannes Schmoelling)
KLEM 2 Sampler 1994
> > 4-Timesteps (Christopher Franke)
KLEM 2 Sampler 1994
> > 5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream)
> > 6-Gloria Mundi (Christopher Franke)
> > 7-Horns of Doom (Tangerine Dream)
> > 8-Tyger (Tangerine Dream)
> > 9-Heiser Schness/Niege Brulante (Tangerine Dream)
> > 10-Space Trucking-Excerpt (Tangerine Dream)
> >
> > Any ideas where this stuff originated from or information regarding the
> > various tracks? I would be most grateful...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 3:11
am
Subject: Re: Some questions for the pros...
In a message dated 10/24/00 4:49:44 PM, craig.chambers@m... writes:
>Track 3-Milchko
>
>Any ideas or details where these are from?
I'm certainly no pro, but because of the title I'm going to suggest that this
could be Edgar's 'Michiko' from the Korg 'Best of the 01/w' promo compilation.
--Daniel
NP: the Best of Jon and Vangelis
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 8:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some questions for the pros...
Craig Chambers wrote:
> 'Pyramid Dreams II'
> 1-Don Alfonso-Deutsch version
am I the only one who thinks that this is one of the most bizarre and insanse
songs ever?? At first I didn't know why they included it on a TD cdr, but
later I found out that Edgar was the producer. Not an achievement to be proud
of when you hear this song (IMHO ;-)
Don Heiko
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 8:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some questions for the pros...
> > 'Pyramid Dreams II'
> > 1-Don Alfonso-Deutsch version
> Not an achievement to be proud
> of when you hear this song (IMHO ;-)
>
> Don Heiko
ain't dat da troot? fugginay... i tot dat dis was some sorta joke when i foist
hoid it... sad, bruda, sad...
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From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:02
pm
Subject: Discussions Voting
C'mon everyone - a bit more interest in this would be good. MTC is a
hearty discussion on boots - I've got a few, want more, and I'd be
interested to hear comments on ones that have radically different
versions of existing tracks e.g. am I right in thinking there's
something around with a sort of backwards version of Choronzon on it?
And Marion - can you contact me off-list - it'd be good to hear from
another Glasgow td fan. I never admitted to liking td when I lived in
Glasgow for fear of the infamous 'Glasgow kiss' from some punter.
That's why I moved to Australia - across here I can say it with no
probs, with the typical reply being 'Struth Col, Tangerine who? Have
they supported our Johnny (John Farnham) at one of his gigs?'
Sheesh.
From:
'Harri Ikonen'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:52
pm
Subject: RE: Some questions for the pros...
Craig Chambers asked about several tracks. Some of these
were answered already, but here's my attempt:
> Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
> Track 2-Lost Tale
Both from the 1989 KLEM Electronische Muziek CD.
> Track 3-Milchko
Froese's solo track from The Best of Korg 01/W sampler.
> 3-Galago (Johannes Schmoelling)
> 4-Timesteps (Christopher Franke)
Both from the 1994 KLEM Electronische Muziek CD.
> 5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream)
Music from the movie.
> 6-Gloria Mundi (Christopher Franke)
Chris Franke & Velvet Universe from the early 80's.
> 7-Horns of Doom (Tangerine Dream)
From the 1986 KLEM Jubileumkassette.
> 8-Tyger (Tangerine Dream)
This could be the 7', 12', 1987 CD or 1992 CD re-issue
version. Hard to tell without hearing it first.
> 9-Heiser Schness/Niege Brulante (Tangerine Dream)
Music from the movie.
> 10-Space Trucking-Excerpt (Tangerine Dream)
From the Preston Guild Hall concert on Nov. 5, 1980.
Regards,
Harri
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 1:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Some questions for the pros...
Harri Ikonen wrote:
> > Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
> > Track 2-Lost Tale
>
> Both from the 1989 KLEM Electronische Muziek CD.
this is correct, although the 'Vermillion sands' track itself was a piece
which was part of the 1986 UK tour (after 'Dolphin dance') There it was much
longer and included some wild guitar solos :-)
> > 5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream)
>
> Music from the movie.
the music itself features only music from 'Sorcerer', the film was
filmed/released in 1978.
> > 9-Heiser Schness/Niege Brulante (Tangerine Dream)
>
> Music from the movie.
it's called 'Heisser Schnee' (German for 'Hot snow' = drugs). From 1983.
Heiko
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 1:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Some questions for the pros...
> Harri Ikonen wrote:
>
> > > Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
> > > Track 2-Lost Tale
> >
> > Both from the 1989 KLEM Electronische Muziek CD.
>
> this is correct, although the 'Vermillion sands' track itself was a piece
> which was part of the 1986 UK tour (after 'Dolphin dance') There it was
much
> longer and included some wild guitar solos :-)
Is the version on KLEM an edited version of the 'London Concert' copy or a
new version? The one on my CD sounds like the live version as it fades into
a bridge which is leading into something else (Mountain Heights?)...
> > > 5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream)
> >
> > Music from the movie.
>
> the music itself features only music from 'Sorcerer', the film was
> filmed/released in 1978.
The movie is 'Future War'? and is only repackaged 'Sorcerer' material?
>
> > > 9-Heiser Schness/Niege Brulante (Tangerine Dream)
> >
> > Music from the movie.
>
> it's called 'Heisser Schnee' (German for 'Hot snow' = drugs). From 1983.
Thanks everyone for your help...
Craig
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 1:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Some questions for the pros...
Craig Chambers wrote:
> > > > 5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream)
> > the music itself features only music from 'Sorcerer', the film was
> > filmed/released in 1978.
>
> The movie is 'Future War'? and is only repackaged 'Sorcerer' material?
yes, it is. I would like to point you to the Film/Video list of list member Paul
Fellows who did (IMO) a very good job with listing all films and videos to which
TD contributed soundtrack music:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/filmlist.html
There you can see that 'Future war 197X' is a movie and featured only 'Sorcerer'
material (like 'Ninja' and some others, too)
Heiko
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 2:15
pm
Subject: backwards Choronzon (was RE: [tadream] Discussions Voting)
yes, I have a backwards choronzon on an old tape tree tape- that is, the
notes are backwards, but the rhythm isn't, if I recall correctly.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: colin anderson [mailto:colin_anderson@e...]
...
> versions of existing tracks e.g. am I right in thinking there's
> something around with a sort of backwards version of Choronzon on it?
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 2:26
pm
Subject: Re: backwards Choronzon (was RE: [tadream] Discussions Voting)
Joe Shoults wrote:
> yes, I have a backwards choronzon on an old tape tree tape- that is, the
> notes are backwards, but the rhythm isn't, if I recall correctly.
noznorohc sdrawkcab? dna i thguoht i dah gnihtyreve... ~LOL~
okieHHeiko
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Subject: Re: backwards Choronzon (was RE: [tadream] Discussions Voting)
The music is reversible, but time is not. Turn back, turn back...
--
I remain,
:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>
> Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> > yes, I have a backwards choronzon on an old tape tree tape- that is, the
> > notes are backwards, but the rhythm isn't, if I recall correctly.
>
> noznorohc sdrawkcab? dna i thguoht i dah gnihtyreve... ~LOL~
>
> okieHHeiko
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 3:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
Yo Thomas! I was just giving him a little feedback on the items that would
interest me. I actually already have EO. The only boot I have 8-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tom george'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
> hey frank,
> i am not trying to hurt Alan's Ebay sales but 'Aqua' is available at
www.towerrecords for $9.99.
> tom
> --
>
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:00:54 Frank Arellano wrote:
> >Alan, the ones that I would possibly interested in would be Electronic
Orgy
> >[ Anyone who doesn't have this one, should! :-), but Edgar and co. may
not
> >even allow it on ebay .], Aqua, Ages, Macula Transfer and EIMP.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From:
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:22 PM
> >Subject: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
> >
> >
> >> Hey list members,
> >>
> >> I am at a turning point in my life where I am forced to focus more on
my
> >new
> >> baby and less on my cd collection. So...
> >>
> >> I am seriously considering unloading a number of TD items that I've
worked
> >> hard to acquire. I want to put some items up on ebay, but before I do
so,
> >I
> >> was wondering if you guys could give me a feel for what kind of
interest
> >> there is on a scale of 1-5 on the following items:
> >>
> >> Tangerine Dream - Zoning
> >> Tangerine Dream - Danger Live
> >> Tangerine Dream - Electronic Orgy
> >> Edgar Froese - Aqua
> >> Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
> >> Edgar Froese - Ages
> >> Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer
> >> Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (original Theta release)
> >> Johannes Schmoelling - White Out (Polydor)
> >> Chris Franke - Raven
> >> Chris Franke - Tenchi Muyo
> >> Chris Franke - Night of the Running Man
> >> Chris Franke - Perry Rhodan
> >>
> >> I appreciate your feedback, as I'm having a hard time parting with
these
> >but
> >> know I need to. If there is sufficient interest, I'll notify the list
when
> >> they go up.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Alan Cox
> >>
> >>
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From:
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Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 3:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 677
In a message dated 10/25/00 08:19:51 Eastern Daylight Time,
tadream@egroups.com writes:
<< The tape recording that was tree'd a while back of TD's concert at Kennedy
Center, Washington, DC, 09.08.88 has some filler on it: >>
great to see my recording getting around! can't remember where i got the
filler...
tw
np: the boyz from brazil - self titled
From:
'James Owens'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 3:28
pm
Subject: Next discussion subjects
I personally voted for solo works. The reason is twofold:
1) The D:Live discussions from the old cs.uwp.edu list were very
in depth and are still available in the archive.
2) I am missing many of the solo recordings that are available.
Assuming I ever had the money to spend, it would be nice to know
which solo albums I would like best. Sometimes samples just
don't give you enough of a feel for the album to know if you'd
really like it or not.
Anyway, so that's my vote. After we finish the solo recordings, I'm
not a bit averse to doing boots. Some of the boots were probably not
covered by D:Live, especially soundtrack stuff.
James
From:
'tom george'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 4:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
i have had EO for almost a year now and still haven't played it. so much
music; so little time.
tom
--
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:20:04 Frank Arellano wrote:
>Yo Thomas! I was just giving him a little feedback on the items that would
>interest me. I actually already have EO. The only boot I have 8-)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 'tom george'
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 7:43 AM
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
>
>
>> hey frank,
>> i am not trying to hurt Alan's Ebay sales but 'Aqua' is available at
>www.towerrecords for $9.99.
>> tom
>> --
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:00:54 Frank Arellano wrote:
>> >Alan, the ones that I would possibly interested in would be Electronic
>Orgy
>> >[ Anyone who doesn't have this one, should! :-), but Edgar and co. may
>not
>> >even allow it on ebay .], Aqua, Ages, Macula Transfer and EIMP.
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From:
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:22 PM
>> >Subject: [tadream] Interest in sales of TD items
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hey list members,
>> >>
>> >> I am at a turning point in my life where I am forced to focus more on
>my
>> >new
>> >> baby and less on my cd collection. So...
>> >>
>> >> I am seriously considering unloading a number of TD items that I've
>worked
>> >> hard to acquire. I want to put some items up on ebay, but before I do
>so,
>> >I
>> >> was wondering if you guys could give me a feel for what kind of
>interest
>> >> there is on a scale of 1-5 on the following items:
>> >>
>> >> Tangerine Dream - Zoning
>> >> Tangerine Dream - Danger Live
>> >> Tangerine Dream - Electronic Orgy
>> >> Edgar Froese - Aqua
>> >> Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
>> >> Edgar Froese - Ages
>> >> Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer
>> >> Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (original Theta release)
>> >> Johannes Schmoelling - White Out (Polydor)
>> >> Chris Franke - Raven
>> >> Chris Franke - Tenchi Muyo
>> >> Chris Franke - Night of the Running Man
>> >> Chris Franke - Perry Rhodan
>> >>
>> >> I appreciate your feedback, as I'm having a hard time parting with
>these
>> >but
>> >> know I need to. If there is sufficient interest, I'll notify the list
>when
>> >> they go up.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Alan Cox
>> >>
>> >>
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From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 5:35
pm
Subject: Re.D:Studio [Mars Polaris]
Hi just a short posting on this cd, I quite like this especially
Comets Figure Head which is an all time classic it is backed up with
some solid tracks Pilots of the ether Belt,Outland,Spiral Star Date
and Mars Mission Counter although the last two tracks are a bit of a
let down it is probably one of the strongest releases of the 90's.
Cheers Gary.
Ps. Just noticed Guestbook reopened on Td site.
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 6:06
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: Some questions for the pros...
> I'm certainly no pro, but because of the title I'm going to
> suggest that this
> could be Edgar's 'Michiko' from the Korg 'Best of the 01/w' promo
> compilation.
> --Daniel
I have a Korg 01/W-fd and actually got hold of the midifile/sequencer for
this track. It was fun to listen to this track with my own machine.
just wanted to share that.
Jan
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 6:06
pm
Subject: Some questions for the pros...
Craig, some of it has already been ansered, and you'll find most
all of them on my website. Check rarest.txt for most of the older
stuff as well !
I'm in France at the moment and nowhere near my collection until
next Friday, so I can't check Pyramid Dreams II for the exact
versions on it. Contact me directly if you still miss some
answers by the end of next week
> 'Pyramid Dreams II'
> 1-Don Alfonso-Deutsch version
'Mike Oldfield' single (actually, one of Edgars studio techs)
> 2-Chia Maroon
> 3-Nebulous Dawn
> 4-Times
> 5-Antidote
> 6-Logic
> 7-Fracture
Soundtrack (animated film) ca. 1977 (great music, btw!, and a great
film!)
> 8-Iron (bonus track by Klaus Schulze)
> and:
> '? ? ? ?'
> 1-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
> 2-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
> 3-Galago (Johannes Schmoelling)
> 4-Timesteps (Christopher Franke)
> 5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream)
Soundtrack, actually a 'pirate' use of 'Sorcerer'
> 6-Gloria Mundi (Christopher Franke)
most probably TD, not Chris, see rarest.txt
> 7-Horns of Doom (Tangerine Dream)
first KLEM cassette
> 8-Tyger (Tangerine Dream)
> 9-Heiser Schness/Niege Brulante (Tangerine Dream)
'Heisser Schnee/Neige Brulante', another 'Tatort' soundtrack, but
only released LP music (Hyperborea?)
> 10-Space Trucking-Excerpt (Tangerine Dream)
This is the title of a bootleg LP
cheers,
klaus
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 5:56
pm
Subject: Don Alfonso - German version
> 1-Don Alfonso-Deutsch version
>
>am I the only one who thinks that this is one of the most bizarre and insanse
>songs ever?? At first I didn't know why they included it on a TD cdr, but
>later I found out that Edgar was the producer. Not an achievement to be proud
>of when you hear this song (IMHO ;-)
Just to set things straight. On behalf of one of my friends, who's one
of
the biggest Oldfied collectors alive (Don Ralphonso ;-), I've asked
Edgar about this single twice. In 1987, he threatened to have me pay
my dinner myself if I'd keep bugging him with old shit like this ;-))
Ten years later, he broke the story that one of his studio techs had
put this thing together. He only learned about it later...
Sounded believable to me, whoever played and produced this must
have been pretty drunk to enjoy this, and Edgar doesn't drink...
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 7:42
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Concerts
I saw the Ozrics last month, great show, good sounds, good atmos, a lot of
fun!
The new album rocks :)
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...]
Sent: 24 October 2000 03:03
To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Concerts
hey Scott-
Do you still have a URL for people to order the book?
-Joe
P.S. hey- are you going to Ozric Tentacles Nov 15th?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott [mailto:splumer@w...]
...
> As far as a listing of concerts, I wrote a book a couple
> years ago entitled
> 'Mysterious Semblance,' that was a chronology of the band,
> meshing together
> all their concerts, albums, lineup changes, etc. I've been
> half-heartedly
> working on a second edition, but the first edition, current
> through '99, is
> still available. Let me know off-list if you're interested.
>
> Scott
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 9:14
pm
Subject: OT: OZRICS (was RE: [tadream] Re: Concerts)
was that with Star People or Disco Biscuits opening?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
...
> I saw the Ozrics last month, great show, good sounds, good
> atmos, a lot of
> fun!
> The new album rocks :)
> Matt
>
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Wed Oct 25, 2000 11:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Don Alfonso - German version + Ozric
> Sounded believable to me, whoever played and produced this must
> have been pretty drunk to enjoy this, and Edgar doesn't drink...
Are you sure he doesn't drink? Last year when I spoke with him on the
phone he said that someday if our paths cross in the same city (actually
referring to Los Angeles), then we will hook up for a beer. :-) Can't
wait until they tour LA and the USA again!
Also, I saw Ozric Tentacles last year in Atlanta with a fellow list
member Jim Moore and it was a FANTASTIC show! They played for over 3
hours in a very nice and small theatre. I'm going to see them again,
and yes the STAR PEOPLE opened - and a darn good opening act. Anyone
willing to join me on November 1st in Atlanta?
Vic
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 1:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Don Alfonso - German version + Ozric
> Also, I saw Ozric Tentacles last year in Atlanta with a fellow list
> member Jim Moore and it was a FANTASTIC show! They played for over 3
> hours in a very nice and small theatre. I'm going to see them again,
> and yes the STAR PEOPLE opened - and a darn good opening act. Anyone
> willing to join me on November 1st in Atlanta?
Vic,
If I am in town, I will be there! Though the Star People are 'weird' to say
the least, I saw them open for the Dixie Dregs and Dream Theater earlier
this year and I was entertained...can't say that their style of music was
really appreciated by the DT crowd though :-)
Also, assuming I make it to the show, you know I will be 'packing'...
Craig
From:
'tom george'
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 2:40
pm
Subject: november 1st
--
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:33:46 Vic Rek wrote:
i might be able to swing down to Atlanta Vic. since i will be off for the next
two weeks with no computer access i will give you a call.
tom
>and yes the STAR PEOPLE opened - and a darn good opening act. Anyone
>willing to join me on November 1st in Atlanta?
>
>Vic
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 4:55
pm
Subject: Travelling to Cleveland
Hi all,
Any of you guys in Cleveland, Ohio? I'll be attending a seminar at NASA
Glenn Research Center on Thursday Nov. 2, but I'll be in just after 8pm
(Cleveland time) Wednesday night (Nov 1). Doesn't leave me much time for a
get-together, but I'd like to meet any TD fans in the area that are willing.
I will be with two other guys with just one car between us, so
transportation may be a bit of a problem. I also have a 45 minute layover
in Cincinnati at 6pm Wednesday, but I'd have to meet you at the airport...
I will also have a few hours between 5:30 pm and 8 pm on Thursday evening
(my plane leaves at 8:50pm)
If there are any takers, please e-mail me offlist before Tuesday afternoon
(Halloween).
James
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From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 5:25
pm
Subject: Gamla diskussioner
'James Owens wrote:
>1) The D:Live discussions from the old cs.uwp.edu list were very
> in depth and are still available in the archive.
James,
I'd be very interested to read those discussions. Could you tell me how to
find this archive?
---Regarding the solo works I find Schmoelling the one to go for (still
haven't heard anything from Haslinger though). Froese's masterpiece is
Epsylon... but I've never been able to find it on cd. Baumann's Romance 76
shouldn't be forgotten either. ---
Hej,
Olle
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 6:03
pm
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Gamla diskussioner
Hej Olle,
Er man lite disträt, kanske ? Du fĺr vel inte skriva pĺ svensk, heller :o) Inte
mĺnga som fatter det, bara oss danska och svenska ( är det nogra frĺn Norge pĺ
listan, - dĺ gälder det väl dom med ? )
Hej dĺ, ha' det bra !
Bara lite skoj ! :o)
Poul
>Subject: [tadream] Gamla diskussioner
> Hej,
> Olle
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 7:50
pm
Subject: RE: Some questions for the pros...
Hi Craig and all,
Craig Wrote:
>Question 1:
>The tape recording that was tree'd a while back of TD's concert at Kennedy
>Center, Washington, DC, 09.08.88 has some filler on it:
>Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
>Track 2-Lost Tale
>Track 3-Milchko
>Any ideas or details where these are from?
My guess on these is that they are from 'Electronic Orgy' boot or from its
sources, which were singles or items on rare recordings. In this case
'Vermillion Sands' and 'Lost Tale' were both contributions to the KLEM CD
(from 1989 I think). Michiko is from a KORG sampler and is by Edgar Froese
(solo).
>Also, I have two recordings:
>'Pyramid Dreams II'
>1-Don Alfonso-Deutsch version
>2-Chia Maroon
>3-Nebulous Dawn
>4-Times
>5-Antidote
>6-Logic
>7-Fracture
>8-Iron (bonus track by Klaus Schulze)
I have not seen this one before, though I knew it must exist, since there is
a 'Pyramid Dreams IV'.
Can you send me the track times so I can include it in the bootleg
tracklist?
>'? ? ? ?'
>1-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
>2-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream)
>3-Galago (Johannes Schmoelling)
>4-Timesteps (Christopher Franke)
>5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream)
>6-Gloria Mundi (Christopher Franke)
>7-Horns of Doom (Tangerine Dream)
>8-Tyger (Tangerine Dream)
>9-Heiser Schness/Niege Brulante (Tangerine Dream)
>10-Space Trucking-Excerpt (Tangerine Dream)
Sounds like somebodies compilation CD. You might check upline from your
source to see if it was actually a 'titled' boot. Many of these tracks are
on 'Singles and Other Songs' boot.
If you do find a title and cover for it, I'd like to get all the tracklist
info from you on this as well.
Hope this helps,
James
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 8:49
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Gamla diskussioner
some of the archives are here:
http://www.tadream.net/archives/
If anyone has a more, please let me know.
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
...
> James,
> I'd be very interested to read those discussions. Could you
> tell me how to
> find this archive?
>
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 8:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Travelling to Cleveland
Hey! Let's get together for some beers! mail me off-list at
mailto:training@f... to make plans.
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:56 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Travelling to Cleveland
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Any of you guys in Cleveland, Ohio? I'll be attending a
> seminar at NASA
> Glenn Research Center on Thursday Nov. 2, but I'll be in just
> after 8pm
> (Cleveland time) Wednesday night (Nov 1). Doesn't leave me
> much time for a
> get-together, but I'd like to meet any TD fans in the area
> that are willing.
> I will be with two other guys with just one car between us, so
> transportation may be a bit of a problem. I also have a 45
> minute layover
> in Cincinnati at 6pm Wednesday, but I'd have to meet you at
> the airport...
>
> I will also have a few hours between 5:30 pm and 8 pm on
> Thursday evening
> (my plane leaves at 8:50pm)
>
> If there are any takers, please e-mail me offlist before
> Tuesday afternoon
> (Halloween).
>
> James
>
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 8:39
pm
Subject: **WANTED** TD on Vinyl
What TD releases after Optical Race were released on LP?
I am looking for the following items on LP-----
ELECTRONIC MEDITATION
ALPHA CENTAURI
**plus**
Any studio/live releases after Optical Race
**and**
any soundtracks BESIDES THESE that I already have----
SORCERER
THIEF
WAVELENGTH
RISKY BUSINESS
FIRESTARTER
FLASHPOINT
HEARTBREAKERS
I am looking for inexpensive copies from any country that are
in VG+ to near Mint condition. I would also consider just about
any vinyl singles too as I have almost none of those. For the
time being I only care about getting one clean representative from
each title (or major cover art differences) and not so much about
the rarity of a perticular release.
I have a ton of CDs available for trade too.
BTW I also already have 70-80 and In The Beginning.
BTW 2 I am interested in 'boots' too (off-list)
Regards,
Joel (joelm@p...)
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 8:52
pm
Subject: Tape Tree lists
If anyone is interested, I have the full list of all the tape trees
available for e-mail. This is the list originally compiled by Lars Jones,
who was kind enough to create the trees in the first place.
Please send individual e-mails off-list as I am in digest mode and wouldn't
get your requests until a day after you sent them (if I actually got to
them).
James
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 9:28
pm
Subject: Re: Some questions for the pros...
Thanks everyone for all the help...
> >Track 1-Vermillion Sands (live?)
> >Track 2-Lost Tale
> >Track 3-Milchko
>
> >Any ideas or details where these are from?
>
> My guess on these is that they are from 'Electronic Orgy' boot or from its
> sources, which were singles or items on rare recordings. In this case
> 'Vermillion Sands' and 'Lost Tale' were both contributions to the KLEM CD
> (from 1989 I think). Michiko is from a KORG sampler and is by Edgar
Froese
> (solo).
Yeah...all of these are on EO...I guess I should have looked there first and
saved myself some time.
> >Also, I have two recordings:
>
> >'Pyramid Dreams II'
The Label is Silver Records produced 1998 (SRCDV0026)
Times:
> >1-Don Alfonso-Deutsch version (4:00)
> >2-Chia Maroon (4:13)
> >3-Nebulous Dawn (6:22)
> >4-Times (9:57)
> >5-Antidote (11:45)
> >6-Logic (7:44)
> >7-Fracture (12:22)
> >8-Iron (bonus track by Klaus Schulze) (17:45)
Anybody know where the KS track is from?
This may very well be a compilation CDR, as there is no label info on the
cover...
> >'? ? ? ?'
> >1-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream) (5:18)
> >2-Live in Munich 12.04.97 (Tangerine Dream) (4:04)
> >3-Galago (Johannes Schmoelling) (6:34)
> >4-Timesteps (Christopher Franke) (5:34)
> >5-Future War 198X (Tangerine Dream) (10:23)
> >6-Gloria Mundi (Christopher Franke) (5:17)
> >7-Horns of Doom (Tangerine Dream) (5:05)
> >8-Tyger (Tangerine Dream) (4:52)
> >9-Heiser Schness/Niege Brulante (Tangerine Dream) (4:28)
> >10-Space Trucking-Excerpt (Tangerine Dream) (20:36)
James...hope that helps.
Craig
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Thu Oct 26, 2000 10:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] **WANTED** TD on Vinyl
Joel Mullen wrote:
>
> What TD releases after Optical Race were released on LP?
> I am looking for the following items on LP-----
The Best of Tangerine Dream (Comp. 1973-1987)
Lily on the Beach (there is also a German mis-press with 1 track
missing)
Melrose
Rockoon
> any soundtracks BESIDES THESE that I already have----
>
> SORCERER
> THIEF
> WAVELENGTH
> RISKY BUSINESS
> FIRESTARTER
> FLASHPOINT
> HEARTBREAKERS
You also need:
Legend (I have an extra)
Three O'Clock High
Near Dark
Shy People
Destination Berlin
Miracle Mile
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] **WANTED** TD on Vinyl
Joel Mullen wrote:
> What TD releases after Optical Race were released on LP?
Hello Joel,
please have a look at 'http://members.tripod.de/Network23/Official.html'
this is a part of my TD homepage which lists my entire collection of what I
have from TD's official releases (including catalogue numbers), I also have
excellent vinyl copies of albums which were released after 1988.
Heiko
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] **WANTED** TD on Vinyl
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> Hello Joel,
> please have a look at ....
this was of course meant to be *off-list*.....sigh!
Heiko
From:
yannick.edom@s...
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 7:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] **WANTED** TD on Vinyl
hi
> Joel Mullen wrote:
> >
> > What TD releases after Optical Race were released on LP?
> > I am looking for the following items on LP-----
>
> The Best of Tangerine Dream (Comp. 1973-1987)
> Lily on the Beach (there is also a German mis-press with 1 track
> missing)
> Melrose
> Rockoon
>
You forgot Miracle Mile and Destibation Berlin on LP too
Yannick Edom
Mirage Créations
Champlain B7 A 101
47 Chemin de Pelleport
31500 TOULOUSE
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:42
am
Subject: Re: Gamla diskussioner
--- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
> ---Regarding the solo works I find Schmoelling the one to go for
(still
> haven't heard anything from Haslinger though). Froese's masterpiece
is
> Epsylon... but I've never been able to find it on cd. Baumann's
Romance 76
> shouldn't be forgotten either. ---
>
> Hej,
> Olle
I've seen 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' in some 2nd hand store
in San Francisco up the way to Coit Tower for 10 Dollars recently.
I know I should have bought it for trading....
armin
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:44
am
Subject: Re: **WANTED** TD on Vinyl
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Joel Mullen wrote:
> What TD releases after Optical Race were released on LP?
>
Rockoon was the last TD I bought in beloved vinyl.
armin
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 10:09
am
Subject: [tadream] Compilations
i was on my way to work this morning, listening to a compilation tape of TD,
when it struck me how MUCH i listen to this one tape of TD... i have most of
the studios, a handful of the boots and some other stuff, all in all quite a
bit of music, but i know i listen to this one tape once for everytime i listen
to any other CD of TD...
the reason it's on tape is i made it many moons ago, before digital recording
was possible... and now that DR is possible, trying to cut off 20 minutes of
this 100 min. tape just ain't worth it...
but it got me to thinkin': other guys (and gals, marion... =) must have made
their own TD comps... probably, like me, many... but no matter what choices i
make, nothing seems to ever come close to the one tape... so i thought i'd
ask... what is (not are) your favorite TD comp. to date?... i'd love to see
what other people have put together, maybe even try out a couple to see how
they work for myself...
so, here's my favorite and worn out TD comp:
Title: Tangerine Dream Live (okay, it's heavy on livemiles, but it the spirit
of the law not the letter... =)
Side A:
Poland: first 11 min.
Sundance Kid: 8:30
Quichotte I: first 11 min.
The Blue Bridge: 6:45
West Berlin Concert: first 8:40 min
Tangent: last 5:35
Side B:
Albuerquerque Concert: 29:35 (okay, okay, i know... but it's my favorite piece
they've ever done... =)
Tangent: 3:40 (the part with rocket afterburner sound)
Logos I: first 7:35 min (my second favorite piece of music)
220 Volt (edited): 6:00
so, there it is...! look forward to the others...
j.gordon
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 11:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Compilations
j.gordon wrote:
> i'd love to see what other people have put together, maybe even try out a
> couple to see how
> they work for myself...
I did an 11-cdr compilation series of all as yet *unreleased* soundtrack
material
and called it 'Cinema lost cinema found' (err..not quite, the list member who
did
the artwork came up with this title ;-) . The good thing (and the main reason i
did this) is that I now have easy access to all this soundtrack music.
Right now I'm working on a very special cdr project which is limited to 10
numbered sets only, I'm doing this for my die-hard TD friends who are just as
crazy as me (only 3 of 10 people know about this yet, the rest of you will be
quite surprised to find a parcel lying on the doormat ;-)
Heiko
P.S.: all these compilations were of course non-profit 'productions'.
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 11:22
am
Subject: Edgar & beer
>> Sounded believable to me, whoever played and produced this must
>> have been pretty drunk to enjoy this, and Edgar doesn't drink...
>
>Are you sure he doesn't drink? Last year when I spoke with him on the
>phone he said that someday if our paths cross in the same city (actually
>referring to Los Angeles), then we will hook up for a beer. :-) Can't
>wait until they tour LA and the USA again!
I'm very sure about this, the old TD stopped drugs, smoke and drink
in the mid-seventies (look at the 'Phaedra' interview video to see them
before this happened ;-). Edgar and Jerome are vegetarians, and
I've never seen them touch alcohol. But they've never minded
anyone having a drink in their presence, so the 'a beer' would
probably be on your side of the table ;-)
And they tolerated Johannes Schmoelling, a smoker, among them...
klaus
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 11:19
am
Subject: Gloria Mundi
Oh, again, without checking P.D.II:
Gloria Mundi -
this would probably be Agitation Free (with Chris, at the time)
'Sic Transit Gloria Mundi' is the full title. See rarest.txt ;-)
cheers,
klaus
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 12:22
pm
Subject: Ground Liftaz
Hi,
it seems that some of the 'ususal suspects' on this mailing list won't
find the time to join the Ground Liftaz event on Saturday, so I'll do my
best (where's my English-German dictionary?... ~LOL~) and promise to
come up with my impressions of this extravaganza when I'm back in the
office next Monday (if you won't hear from me it's probably because I
lost the beer drinking contest against Edgar & Jerome ~ROFL~)
Heiko
P.S.: Speaking of LOL's and ROFL's....the presence of my TD guru Al
Benson (The TD's pal) on this list is sadly missed!!!!! (But he promised
me to be back into 'TD business' soon ;-)
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From:
'Harri Ikonen'
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 1:47
pm
Subject: RE: Edgar & beer
klaus wrote:
> And they tolerated Johannes Schmoelling, a smoker, among them...
Did Franke smoke too? I found a photo in a magazine where they
are standing by the Berlin wall and Chris had a cigarette in his
hand. And don't forget Klaus Schulze either!
> Gloria Mundi -
>
> this would probably be Agitation Free (with Chris, at the time)
> 'Sic Transit Gloria Mundi' is the full title. See rarest.txt ;-)
From rarest.txt:
3. VELVET UNIVERSE LP 'Enigmas', D, 1983
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi 4:47 (with Christoph Franke)
:-)
Regards,
Harri
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 2:34
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tape Tree lists
why don't you reply with the list on-list? let's see it!
-joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 4:52 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Tape Tree lists
>
>
> If anyone is interested, I have the full list of all the tape trees
> available for e-mail. This is the list originally compiled
> by Lars Jones,
> who was kind enough to create the trees in the first place.
>
> Please send individual e-mails off-list as I am in digest
> mode and wouldn't
> get your requests until a day after you sent them (if I
> actually got to
> them).
>
> James
>
>
From:
'Patrik .'
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 3:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
Hi all,
Just wanted to say to all of you who will be in Berlin tomorrow:
Have a nice time and let us know what it was like, ok?
Seven Letters from Tibet is really good, it´s becoming better and better, I
honestly don´t listen to Mars Polaris or Great Wall anymore, but 7LfT has a
more deeper mysterious atmosfear(!), it reminds me of Epsilon which imho is
a true milestone in EM.
I´m looking forward to hear DMIII and I would like to hear more from
Johannes Schmoelling, I have not been *too* active on this list, but it has
become clear to me (still imo) that the Schmoelling-years were very
innovative years and TD really developed during this time.
I´m already now very curious to know what the Kalkscheune event is all
about...
Have a splendid sonic week-end!
Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 3:15
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar & beer
> From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...]
>
> I'm very sure about this, the old TD stopped drugs, smoke and drink
> in the mid-seventies (look at the 'Phaedra' interview video to see them
> before this happened ;-). Edgar and Jerome are vegetarians, and
Of course we all have that 'Phaedra' video lying around somewhere...
So do you guys think the alcohol and drugs did something
to their music in the older days? :-)
Marcel
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 4:02
pm
Subject: Compilations
About a year or so ago I put this compilation together that I used to play a
lot, but have since misplaced it, so I'm doing this off of memory. Its just
a small compilation, many of which came off of 'The Private Music of TD' CD.
Touchwood
Firetongues
Melrose
Too Hot For My Chinchilla
Electric Lion
Dolls In The Shadow
Roaring Of The Bliss
Canyon Carver
Flashflood
From:
AirWave
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 8:45
pm
Subject: Iron Klaus
Craig Chambers wrote :
>>> 8-Iron (bonus track by Klaus Schulze) (17:45)
>
> Anybody know where the KS track is from?
Difficult to say since I haven't heard it and don't
know the year. Judging from it's title it could be
an extract from the 'Stahlwerk Sinfonie' (Steelworks Symphony)
from 1976ish. But that's just a guess.
AirWave.
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From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 9:05
pm
Subject: Whatever happened to Andy Pickford?
Hello everyone.
I know this is probably not the place to make this
enquiry, but while presenting tonight's edition of
'Astral Voyager' (and playing four tracks from
'Antique Dreams'), I was also playing 'Voyager' by
Andy Pickford and wondered, on air, what he's been up
to since releasing 'Nemesis'? Indeed, is he still
making music? (His website, when I last looked, hadn't
been updated in three years.) Anybody who can come
with an answer will get a credit on next week's
programme.
Okay, I have to confess I've been in lurk mode most of
the time, but now I have to say: Do the solo albums.
We don't all have complete bootleg collections... and
then it would probably take an eternity to get through
them all.
Vic, is it all right if I broadcast the next top ten
listing featured on your web page (and which you very
kindly let us all know here?)
Finally (phew), in a Christmas programme I'm planning
another TD listener's poll. Not all time favourite TD
albums (leave that with Vic's chart), but what does
everybody think of the idea of featuring everybody's
Top Ten favourite TD tracks from 1991 (i.e. all tracks
composed by Edgar & Jerome)?
More details and 'rules for entry' to follow in due
course.
Regards
Roger Hartopp
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From:
'Dean Mitchell'
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 9:06
pm
Subject: Soundmill Navigator
I have just joined this group. I have a fast collection of TD
recordings and one of my favorites is the original live recording at
the Berlin Philharmonie on 27/06/1976 in the form of a fan tape. Does
anyone know if the recent release of SD has been altered greatly as
this recording has many sounds that are just not on my recording. I
have been a great fan of TD for over 25 years, but find Edgar's
stuborness to release works from the early years (1974-1978) very
frustrating. Specially when the releases we do get have been tampered
with. If any other out there who share my frustration, I would like
to here from you.
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 10:07
pm
Subject: current poll results
Thanks Roger; did you cast your vote in the poll? That's how we are
deciding..
Well, personally, I'm impartial. But here are the current results:
Responses:
Choices Votes % 28 replies
discuss Boots/fan CDRs 10 35.71%
discuss Solo works 12 42.86%
discuss neither 0 0.00%
discuss both simultaneously 6 21.43%
But only 28 responses is a pretty poor sampling of our members. Please
click on this link to vote:
http://www.egroups.com/surveys/tadream?id=371437
Thanks,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@y...]
...
> the time, but now I have to say: Do the solo albums.
> We don't all have complete bootleg collections... and
> then it would probably take an eternity to get through
> them all.
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 10:12
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
LOL! ROFLMAO
you are not alone, my friend, as I'm sure you'll soon discover.
Welcome to the list!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Mitchell [mailto:dean.mitchell3@n...]
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 5:06 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
>
>
> I have just joined this group. I have a fast collection of TD
> recordings and one of my favorites is the original live recording at
> the Berlin Philharmonie on 27/06/1976 in the form of a fan tape. Does
> anyone know if the recent release of SD has been altered greatly as
> this recording has many sounds that are just not on my recording. I
> have been a great fan of TD for over 25 years, but find Edgar's
> stuborness to release works from the early years (1974-1978) very
> frustrating. Specially when the releases we do get have been tampered
> with. If any other out there who share my frustration, I would like
> to here from you.
>
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 10:48
pm
Subject: Drugs and Alcohol
I don't know how much they were into either one. I would suspect they were
into it some. To me their early music can be associated with psychedelics. I
don't think there's a doubt that drugs and alcohol can have an influence,
but I also make the distinction between use and abuse. Drugs can be harmful
but at the same time I believe drugs can untap and stimulate certain
faculties of the mind. I for one, have seen things that the sober man never
has :-) and not even a sign of drain bamage either :-) I lied to you! I
don't even use drugs! :-D If you seen me on the street you would say that I
look like a 'Thurmond'. [Kinda like Jerry Lewis in 'The Nutty Professor'.
:-)] Anyone here named Thurmond? :-)
You know for being vegetarians, Eddie and Jerry do tend to look like they
are on the chubby side :-) Oh, but what great music they have shared with
us!!
Now playing 'Tournado' :-)
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 12:17
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Iron Klaus
> From: AirWave [mailto:airwave@1...]
>
> >>> 8-Iron (bonus track by Klaus Schulze) (17:45)
> >
> > Anybody know where the KS track is from?
>
> Difficult to say since I haven't heard it and don't
> know the year. Judging from it's title it could be
> an extract from the 'Stahlwerk Sinfonie' (Steelworks Symphony)
> from 1976ish. But that's just a guess.
Isn't that from '81 or so?
I see a GDS computer on stage so it can't be '76.
Marcel
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 9:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Whatever happened to Andy Pickford?
Vic, I didn't see a top ten listing on your page ? Did I miss it?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Roger Hartopp'
To:
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: [tadream] Whatever happened to Andy Pickford?
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> I know this is probably not the place to make this
> enquiry, but while presenting tonight's edition of
> 'Astral Voyager' (and playing four tracks from
> 'Antique Dreams'), I was also playing 'Voyager' by
> Andy Pickford and wondered, on air, what he's been up
> to since releasing 'Nemesis'? Indeed, is he still
> making music? (His website, when I last looked, hadn't
> been updated in three years.) Anybody who can come
> with an answer will get a credit on next week's
> programme.
>
> Okay, I have to confess I've been in lurk mode most of
> the time, but now I have to say: Do the solo albums.
> We don't all have complete bootleg collections... and
> then it would probably take an eternity to get through
> them all.
>
> Vic, is it all right if I broadcast the next top ten
> listing featured on your web page (and which you very
> kindly let us all know here?)
>
> Finally (phew), in a Christmas programme I'm planning
> another TD listener's poll. Not all time favourite TD
> albums (leave that with Vic's chart), but what does
> everybody think of the idea of featuring everybody's
> Top Ten favourite TD tracks from 1991 (i.e. all tracks
> composed by Edgar & Jerome)?
>
> More details and 'rules for entry' to follow in due
> course.
>
> Regards
> Roger Hartopp
>
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 10:50
am
Subject: RE: OZRICS (was RE: [tadream] Re: Concerts)
dunno, like an idiot I got lost and missed the support act.
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...]
Sent: 25 October 2000 10:15
To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
Subject: OT: OZRICS (was RE: [tadream] Re: Concerts)
was that with Star People or Disco Biscuits opening?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...]
...
> I saw the Ozrics last month, great show, good sounds, good
> atmos, a lot of
> fun!
> The new album rocks :)
> Matt
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From:
Kees
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 12:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Whatever happened to Andy Pickford?
At 22:05 27/10/2000 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello everyone.
>
>I know this is probably not the place to make this
>enquiry, but while presenting tonight's edition of
>'Astral Voyager' (and playing four tracks from
>'Antique Dreams'), I was also playing 'Voyager' by
>Andy Pickford and wondered, on air, what he's been up
>to since releasing 'Nemesis'? Indeed, is he still
>making music? (His website, when I last looked, hadn't
>been updated in three years.) Anybody who can come
>with an answer will get a credit on next week's
>programme.
Andy quit the scene about a year ago and what I personally think is a great
loss.
His latest (only?) new music can be found on the compilation 'World Wide Kind',
which was released in early September and where you will find the track
'Future Boy'
All the best.
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 1:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Whatever happened to Andy Pickford?
Hey guys and gals,
I never had a top 10 chart. How did I get in the middle of this? :-)))
Vic
Frank Arellano wrote:
>
> Vic, I didn't see a top ten listing on your page ? Did I miss it?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Roger Hartopp'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 3:05 PM
> Subject: [tadream] Whatever happened to Andy Pickford?
>
> >
> > Hello everyone.
> >
> > I know this is probably not the place to make this
> > enquiry, but while presenting tonight's edition of
> > 'Astral Voyager' (and playing four tracks from
> > 'Antique Dreams'), I was also playing 'Voyager' by
> > Andy Pickford and wondered, on air, what he's been up
> > to since releasing 'Nemesis'? Indeed, is he still
> > making music? (His website, when I last looked, hadn't
> > been updated in three years.) Anybody who can come
> > with an answer will get a credit on next week's
> > programme.
> >
> > Okay, I have to confess I've been in lurk mode most of
> > the time, but now I have to say: Do the solo albums.
> > We don't all have complete bootleg collections... and
> > then it would probably take an eternity to get through
> > them all.
> >
> > Vic, is it all right if I broadcast the next top ten
> > listing featured on your web page (and which you very
> > kindly let us all know here?)
> >
> > Finally (phew), in a Christmas programme I'm planning
> > another TD listener's poll. Not all time favourite TD
> > albums (leave that with Vic's chart), but what does
> > everybody think of the idea of featuring everybody's
> > Top Ten favourite TD tracks from 1991 (i.e. all tracks
> > composed by Edgar & Jerome)?
> >
> > More details and 'rules for entry' to follow in due
> > course.
> >
> > Regards
> > Roger Hartopp
> >
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From:
horrod6
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 3:36
pm
Subject: Re: Album discussion
I agree with Jerome - 'it's not a question of solos OR bootlegs and
such, but
merely, which one should we discuss first...?'
I'd cast my vote for solos first, on the grounds (as somebody else has
already said) that this is an area of my collection that I'd like to
flesh out. Many of the solo albums are still readily available, and I'd
be glad of some guidance 'cos I simply can't afford to buy them all!
LnH
Marion
From:
horrod6
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 3:51
pm
Subject: D:[Studio] Mars
Well, I promised I'd post a review of this one, and here it is - and
only slightly late. (Having completely mis-read Derek's post and told
him the titles of the TDI releases he already has, I thought I'd better
do something to redeem myself!)
I'm sorry it's only a general overview, rather than a track by track
description, but things are a bit hectic here.
This album has some great themes - I especially like:
- the anthemic bit around 3:55 on 'Comet's Figure Head' (which I like to
play _really_ loud (well, loud by my standards anyway: I haven't
brought the roof down yet!))
- from about 45 seconds into the beginning of Outland (probably my
favourite track),
- the edgy little rhythm in the background of 'Mars Mission Counter',
- when Astrophobia (which competes with Outland for the fave track slot)
really gets going around 2:30 (another place where I crank up the
volume).
Unfortunately, some parts of the album sounds really pedestrian to me -
almost worthy of filing under 'easy listening' (oops, forgot to raise
the heat shield!).
A lot of the sounds used are reminiscent of earlier material, which I
like - it gives a sense of continuity, of the thirty-plus years of
musical development that have brought us to where we are with this
album.
Mostly, however, I feel that it contains great ideas that deserve a lot
more exploration and development than they get here (Outland and
Astrophobia being worthy exceptions).
Having said all that I do enjoy this CD, and, of the more recent
material, it's one that gets more plays than average. But you know I'm
just an old-fashioned girl and the seventies stuff is still what gets
played the most. This isn't the album that is going to seduce me away
from my first TD loves.
Love 'n' hugs
Marion
np: Dream Mixes II (TimeSquare)
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horrod6
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 4:28
pm
Subject: Re: Compilations
Interesting thread, Jerome.
Most of my compilations were made to save wear and tear on my precious
vinyl, so they are grouped by age rather than themed. There's two of
these that have been permanently in the tape deck in my living room for
the last month or so, so they're sort of 'default' music unless and
until I get up and put a CD on. They're mixtures of Edgar solo and TD.
Track lists are:
Tape1:
Macula transfer: os 452, af 765, pa 701, quantas 611, if 810
Aqua: Upland, Panorphelia
Rubycon: parts 1 and 2
Tape 2:
Aqua: Aqua, NGC
Phaedra: Mysterious semblance..., sequent c', Movements of a visionary,
Phaedra
Alpha Centauri: Alpha Centauri
The one that's living in my walkman at the moment is one I made as part
of the top 15 tracks exercise. (Whatever happened to that by the way?
I'm still trying to whittle my way down from about 50!) Again, it's not
themed in any real way, and it's just titled 'TD faves I'. track list
is:
Cherokee Lane
Coldwater Canyon
Madrigal Meridian (you guys got me listening to this one again - I never
used to play it until there was a lot of discussion of it on the list)
Sunrise in the third system
fauni-gena (maybe a mistake - it doesn't go all that well with the rest
of what's on the tape)
Force majeure
Cloudburst flight
I'm interested to see what's in other people's favourite compilations -
you're giving me lots of ideas!
LnH
Marion
From:
horrod6
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 5:32
pm
Subject: Stuff
Here's my digested response to digest 680!
Heiko - despite Joe's attempt to fill the laughter gap in his later
posting, I miss Al too. Al, I hope you're at least out there in lurk
mode, ROFLYAO (carefully).
Marcel wrote 'So do you guys think the alcohol and drugs did something
to their music in the older days?' Well, I've just been given a tape of
the Nottingham Albert Hall concert (8th November 1976 according to the
person who gave it to me). I dunno what was ingested between the two
sets, but I have a strong suspicion it wasn't camomile tea and a nut
cutlet. (Apologies to any vegetarians on the list for the stereotyping.)
In fact, my first thought when I played the tape through was 'where can
I get some of whatever they're on?!' ;-)
Roger wrote: 'what does everybody think of the idea of featuring
everybody's Top Ten favourite TD tracks from 1991?' I presume you mean
everything they've made (or released) since 1991, not just in 1991
itself? I'd say you're going to get a fairly small response. I'm not
criticising - it's just that I'm *still* working on my top 15: it ain't
easy! I suppose by limiting it to the more recent material you're making
the job easier though. And if I get my all-time top 15 done between now
and Christmas, it'll be even easier for me!
Dean: welcome to the happy band! Well, happy some of the time, anyway. I
think many of us regard Berlin '76 as a high point in TD's career. I
have deliberately *not* bought SN, having read the reaction on this list
at the time it was released. You shoulda been here! But for heavens sake
don't get us started again, the whole list seemed to be in 'moan mode'
for weeks. But you might find it interesting to look back over the
archives - some people found ways of filtering out the most intrusive of
the additions.
Joe - I sent a post earlier with my vote for solo work vs. boots & fan
tapes, but I promise I'll do it properly as soon as I log on to send
this, so you don't need to remind me.
Frank pointed out 'You know for being vegetarians, Eddie and Jerry do
tend to look like they are on the chubby side.' On the other hand,
knowing that they eschew meat, alcohol, cigarettes and drugs does
explain why they always look so miserable in the album-cover photos! Oh,
and Frank, what exactly were you proposing to put in that peace pipe?
No, maybe it's better that you don't tell me.
LnH
Marion
np: 'What a Blast'.
Does anyone else find that 'Forced to surrender' reminds them of 'Ace of
Spades'?
And Jared - despite being an 'oldie' as opposed to a 'newie' on the
whole, I really like 'Last Trumpet...' and 'Timesquere' (sic): they may
even make it into my final top 15, depending on the mood I'm in on the
day I finish it!
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From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 5:42
pm
Subject: I think it was Vic
Frank wrote:
Message: 14
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 03:36:17 -0600
From: 'Frank Arellano'
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Andy Pickford?
Vic, I didn't see a top ten listing on your page ? Did
I miss it?
I'm pretty sure it was Vic. It was from one of our
Polish contributers, anyway.
And, as asked, I've placed my vote in the poll. SOLO
ALBUMS please!
Regards
Roger Hartopp
Now, does anybody out there know what happened to Andy
Pickford...
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 8:29
pm
Subject: D:[Studio] Mars Polaris
Just but a brief opinion on this CD. I think the majority of us would agree
that this is one of TD's better releases of the nineties or maybe of all
time for that matter for some of us. For me the outstanding tracks were
Comet's Figure Head, Spiral Star and Astrophobia. For some reason this CD
seemed to so.. different from all their others released in the nineties,
including the sounds [instruments?] used. Anybody else get this impression?
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From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 8:56
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] D:[Studio] Mars Polaris
Not me, I've read countless rave review about this album on the various TD
lists and have tried to listen to it many times.
It was the first TD album for me since Alpha Centauri where none of the
tracks held any interest, they all seemed unusually thin and directionless.
I actually found this quite upsetting as usually I find at least something I
like! I haven't dared to buy any TD since.
Sorry dude.
Matt
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From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
Sent: 28 October 2000 09:30
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: [tadream] D:[Studio] Mars Polaris
Just but a brief opinion on this CD. I think the majority of us would agree
that this is one of TD's better releases of the nineties or maybe of all
time for that matter for some of us. For me the outstanding tracks were
Comet's Figure Head, Spiral Star and Astrophobia. For some reason this CD
seemed to so.. different from all their others released in the nineties,
including the sounds [instruments?] used. Anybody else get this impression?
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 7:16
am
Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Album discussion
Hi all,
I'd like to suggest that if we do discuss boots, then it should be done
properly. What I mean is, the following points should be considered:
It should be stated whether the recording is a 'genuine' boot or if it is a
CD-R
the correct date of the concert should be given (because they are often
wrong, this could be checked against my complete list of concerts which has
been verified by Peter Stoeferle, Klaus Beschorner and Heiko Heerssen)
The duration of the longest recording in existance, this will enable
everyone who has a copy to check if they have everything that is available
the exact contents of the CD(s), because sometimes when people exchange
CD-Rs they add extra tracks
the sound quality of the recording out of 10.
Perhaps a 'template' message could be made up, so each person who posted a
review would take a minute to fill out the above information, this would
clear up any discrepancies. This way, when all the discussions are over, a
valuable information source will exist for collectors.
Also, let's face it, this type of discussion will inevitably lead to people
wanting to exchange material, I agree with teiwaz's idea of having a
separate forum for this (perhaps just a link to the 'tangerinedream' list?)
Paul
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 9:37
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Sculze
> David,
>
> I think the only difference is a complete version of 'Sense' as opposed to
> the LP version which was cut. An additional 25 minutes or so...this is
from
> memory, so don't frag me if I am wrong. I particularly like this
era...but
> I like all the eras. I guess if you don't have any of the other 'live'
> releases from KS in this time frame late 70-early 80, I would probably get
> another one if you already have it on LP. Of course, if you really want
to
> splurge, get the Historic Edition Set...
>
> Craig
>
> > If someone has the Live CD and or LP version by KS can they please tell
me
> if there is any difference between the two. I have the LP version and
was
> wondering whether it was worth getting the CD.
>
Craig. Thanks for the information.
David
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 6:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:[Studio] Mars Polaris
At 0010.28-16:51, horrod6 wrote:
>A lot of the sounds used are reminiscent of earlier material, which I
>like - it gives a sense of continuity, of the thirty-plus years of
>musical development that have brought us to where we are with this
>album.
Maybe this is why it seems to be living in my stereo. My wife likes to go
to sleep w/ it playing and I sometimes use it for wake up music on the
weekends when I want to sleep in but not *too* much.
and the survey says.....
AS# 4.3
Pete Isaacson
mailto:penfold@a...
aka PENFOLD
aka DJ DreamHead
Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have
the money.....damn!!!!!
From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 10:55
am
Subject: Discussion Week 59 - Sunday 29th October 2000
Next up is the Great Wall Of China Soundtrack. Please post (re-post)
comments and review regarding this release and make the subject
heading read 'D:Soundtrack [Great Wall Of China]'.
Cheers,
Lawry
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From:
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Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 12:19
pm
Subject: The 5 New 12' Vinyls - Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome on ebay
Hi all,
please follow the link to my 3 DAY`S ebay Auction:
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 12:50
pm
Subject: Gloria Mundi
> >From rarest.txt:
> 3. VELVET UNIVERSE LP 'Enigmas', D, 1983
> Sic Transit Gloria Mundi 4:47 (with Christoph Franke)
> :-)
Here! I'm exposed! Now you all know how much my TD 'expertise'
is worth without my external brain pack ;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 1:44
pm
Subject: Bootleg discussions
>Also, let's face it, this type of discussion will inevitably lead to people
>wanting to exchange material, I agree with teiwaz's idea of having a
>separate forum for this (perhaps just a link to the 'tangerinedream' list?)
I second the move to discuss bootlegs 'officially' on the un-moderated
tangerinedream@egroups.com list. This way we won't need our lawyers and
our list owner to screen each and every word ;-)
Tangerinedream is a very quiet place these days, so if you join it just
to follow the bootleg discussion coming over from tadream, you won't
have many 'other' mails to wade through. Maybe one every three days!
Also, Paul's list is indeed a good reference point to sort the
bootlegs discussed.
Complete lists of all known 'genuine' (i.e. 'pressed') LP and CD
bootlegs do exist already. And, nowadays, all of them are
available as CDR copies. So, discussion of these could concentrate on
the musical content. And maybe on the packaging, if it's worth
mentioning.
I, personally, don't care much to hear that someone has made
another CDR and cover for the 49th resurrection of the
RAH 1975 concert, maybe even in crappy sound quality.
The really interesting subject for me would actually be to
discuss, besides the musical value, of course, the lenght and
sound quality of existing concert recordings, may they be on cassette
or on CDR. I'm always after more complete, better sounding
copies of shows that I already have !
If I find the time and motivation, I could put a few sound
samples on my homepage to give everyone an idea of how _I_
do my 0 to 10 sound rating. Just as a rough guide for those
who've not bothered to 'rate' their recordings yet.
cheers,
klaus
From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 2:36
pm
Subject: Re:Andy Pickford/Sorry, Vic
> Andy quit the scene about a year ago and what I
> personally think is a great
> loss.
> His latest (only?) new music can be found on the
> compilation 'World Wide Kind',
> which was released in early September and where you
> will find the track
> 'Future Boy'
>
>
> All the best.
>
> Kees
Thanks for that information, Kees.
Sorry Vic - I thought it was you who posted the 'Top
Ten' TD CD update. Who was it then...
Regards
Roger Hartopp
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pm
Subject: Klaus Sculze - recent gig / CD
Another question about KS. I deleted the earlier messages about his last UK
gig, the CD Gin Rose.
Can someone please remind me what it was all about and where I can get a copy
of the CD of the concert.
Thanks
fozziebear@b...
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 3:08
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] The 5 New 12' Vinyls - Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome on ebay
Cool...
Will these tunes re appearing on DM 3 too; or don't we know yet?
MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... [mailto:NEUMANN.H-J@t...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 6:19 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] The 5 New 12' Vinyls - Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome on
> ebay
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> please follow the link to my 3 DAY`S ebay Auction:
>
> The 5 New 12' Vinyl`s 2000
>
> http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=483007733
>
> Thank you for your visit and bids.
>
> Heiko from Germany
>
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From:
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Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 9:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:Andy Pickford/Sorry, Vic
Try this Roger http://tadream.ac.pl/
or bag@a...
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Roger Hartopp'
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:36 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re:Andy Pickford/Sorry, Vic
>
> > Andy quit the scene about a year ago and what I
> > personally think is a great
> > loss.
> > His latest (only?) new music can be found on the
> > compilation 'World Wide Kind',
> > which was released in early September and where you
> > will find the track
> > 'Future Boy'
> >
> >
> > All the best.
> >
> > Kees
>
> Thanks for that information, Kees.
>
> Sorry Vic - I thought it was you who posted the 'Top
> Ten' TD CD update. Who was it then...
>
> Regards
> Roger Hartopp
>
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From:
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Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 10:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
>From: 'Dean Mitchell'
>
>I have just joined this group. I have a fast collection of TD
>recordings and one of my favorites is the original live recording at
>the Berlin Philharmonie on 27/06/1976 in the form of a fan tape. Does
>anyone know if the recent release of SD has been altered greatly as
>this recording has many sounds that are just not on my recording.
The word 'destroyed' comes to mind. The first 12-15 minutes are total
fiction, as well as the ending. There is a serious tape flaw that Edgar
chose not to fix (several members on the list were able to clean up the tape
to broadcast quality with some knowledge of sound filtering and fixing). And
of course it's completely Tangentized.
Hope your 1976 tape has good quality, cause I'm afraid that's the best we'll
get for a long time (Ever).
-Morgan
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 1:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Sculze - recent gig / CD
Hi David, try Synth Music Direct [UK], Groove Unlimited [Netherlands],
Eurock [Portland] or Backroads Music [Ca.]. Groove is probably the cheapest.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'David Foster'
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:26 AM
Subject: [tadream] Klaus Sculze - recent gig / CD
> Another question about KS. I deleted the earlier messages about his last
UK gig, the CD Gin Rose.
>
> Can someone please remind me what it was all about and where I can get a
copy of the CD of the concert.
> Thanks
>
> fozziebear@b...
>
>
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am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Sculze - recent gig / CD
Thanks for the suggestions
David
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To:
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Sculze - recent gig / CD
> Hi David, try Synth Music Direct [UK], Groove Unlimited [Netherlands],
> Eurock [Portland] or Backroads Music [Ca.]. Groove is probably the
cheapest.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'David Foster'
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:26 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Klaus Sculze - recent gig / CD
>
>
> > Another question about KS. I deleted the earlier messages about his
last
> UK gig, the CD Gin Rose.
> >
> > Can someone please remind me what it was all about and where I can get a
> copy of the CD of the concert.
> > Thanks
> >
> > fozziebear@b...
> >
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 9:39
am
Subject: I-Box Surprise!
Hi Gang,
as some of you may already know I was one of the very few Tadream list
members who joined the 'Ground Liftaz' event last Saturday at the
Kalkscheune in Berlin (long review to follow soon!:-)
I was surprised to find the 'I-Box' for sale and bought a copy of it
right away (for a reasonable price). Later I got it autographed by Edgar
himself.
Yesterday I had a few minutes time to listen to some of the tracks and
some of them were very interesting. The booklet contains some very nice
and rare photos of the band and looks like a companion to the 'Dream
roots collection' book. There even was a picture of a young Edgar Froese
together with Salvador Dalí.
About the music: the first 3 cd's consists of material which we all know
and heard before. Some pieces are as yet unreleased, although they will
sound familiar to some people on the list because they appeared on
bootlegs or live tapes. I also have to say that the sound quality of
this I-Box is superb.
'Longing for Cashba'....this is a part from the Berlin
Werner-Seelenbinder-Halle concert from 20th February 1990 which hasn't
been released before.
'Ivory Town'....this must be a Haslinger/Froese outtake from the
'Optical race' album. Very slow and atmospheric.
'Unicorn saga'.....very interesting! What starts like the 'Unicorn
theme' instrumental track soon changes into a new section which could be
part of a unique encore TD played in 1988. Judging by the sound it must
have been taken from the 1988 live tour.
'Exit-live'....is in fact 'Pilots of purple twilight'! It may have been
taken from their 1986 US Tour because Pilots was the opening track.
'Akash deep'....this is a 'tangentized' version from a piece that was
part of the 'underwater sunlight' 1986 tour. It's the music that
followed after the 'Stratosfear' intro. Very nice, I always loved this
part. I really wish TD could release the whole 1986 tour on cd.
'Cool Shibuya'....this is a typical ED track which apparently didn't
make it onto his 'Beyond the storm' album?!
'Iguana-live'...another mystery. The beginning is an as yet unreleased
part from their 1988 North American tour, but then it changes into
something new which I haven't heard on any other fan tape from that
tour. Very interesting.
'DreamYard- the Perth tapes'....SURPRISE!
...what you hear isn't from 1975 but it's from Perth Concert Hall
26.Feb.1982. It is one track of 45 minutes which is divided into two
parts. I was expecting the same music one can find on 'Rätikon', but no:
the first 25 minutes are all new except for a tangentized version of
'Convention of the 24'..but at least the first 10-15 minutes are very
very interesting...I heard parts of 'Specific gravity of smile' from
Edgar's 'Pinnacles' solo album. The tangentizing is obvious but it
doesn't spoil the fun in any way (at least for me).
to sum it up: despite the fact that the first 3 cd's feature material
that we all know and have on various other compilations, there are also
some very rare and great tracks which are really good enough to spend
your hard earned bucks on. And the Perth 1982 concert is a big and
pleasant surprise :-)
Heiko
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 10:17
am
Subject: the 5 Ground Liftaz singles
Hi again,
I thought it might be interesting for you to know more about the five
'Ground Liftaz' maxis which were on sale at the 'Kalkscheune' gig two
days ago.
They were sold in black neutral sleeves for a price of 20 DM each (about
$8-9). In case you bought all 5 the price was only 80 DM. Each album had
a different cover and on the three Tangerine Dream singles it says
'Limited editon of 500 copies'. Apparently the pressing quality is
excellent because i didn't hear any surface noise at all whilst playing
them.
'GL0001' and 'GL0002' are from TDJ Rome, which is of course Jerome
Froese. These two singles are his own compositions and musically they
are not what one could expect from Tangerine Dream. They are more dance
or club-orientated. The first one is 'Serenely confident' b/w 'Vivid
Scarlet Hue', the 2nd vinyl is called 'Freeze framez' b/w 'Ground
clearance'. I listened to them only once and I think it would be unfair
to give an objective review, but musically it couldn't compete with the
other three TD singles.
The other 3 maxis are from Tangerine Dream, they are:
'Meng tian (Smart Machine remix)' b/w 'Diamonds and dust' (GL0003)
...the first is a quite interesting remix of the GWOC opening track, it
has a lenght of about 8 minutes (there is no information about track
times on all of these vinyls). 'Diamonds and dust' is a Dream mix
version of 'Diamond diary', a track we all know from the 'Thief'
soundtrack. As usual Jerome did a great job in bringing this composition
up-to-date. Both tracks were part of Jerome's DJ performance.
'Stereolight' b/w 'Maedchen on the stairs' (GL0004)
THIS IS IT!!!!
'Stereolight' will go down in TD history, I remember I almost freaked
out when I heard Jerome played it at his performance. This is 8 minutes
of pure magic. I was standing in front of the screen (the show was
accompanied by all kinds of videos and animations), the music came with
full blast (it was a bit too loud sometimes) and me and Conrad were
dancing like John Travolta ~LOL~ This track is a mix of original music
which is taken from 'Encore', it starts with the slow intro of 'Desert
dream' and soon kicks off with a fat drum beat. After a two or three
minutes (and this was almost the best part of the whole show) Jerome
included the sequencer part from the very last section of 'Desert
dream'..this is obviously a stroke of genius, it sounds absolutely
amazing. After 4 minutes it changes and then comes the fast part of
'Monolight' (hence the title track 'Stereolight'), and again it's
absolutely fascinating. This will without a shadow of a doubt be a track
which will make it into my TD Top 10 list of all time.
The back side 'Maedchen on the stairs' is very similar to the 1997
version, only that it has a bit more drum sound.
'Astrophobia (red supernova remix)' b/w 'The spirit of the Czar'
(GL0005)
The first track is a nice remix version from the 'Mars Polaris' track,
however 'Spirit of the Czar' has to be a close runner-up to my beloved
'Stereolight' :-D
This is the track which started the show, and it's a superb version of
the first 7 minutes from the 'Poland' title track. Again Jerome used the
original music and added much drums and breakbeat sounds to bring it up
to date.
By now you will know how much I adore these three TD vinyls and I
believe that the official 'Dream mixes 3' cd will be a huge success.
Heiko
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 1:19
pm
Subject: A long report from the 'Ground Liftaz' event
Hi Gang,
as promised last Friday here is my report of the 'Ground Liftaz' event
that took place two days ago at the 'Kalkscheune' in the heart of
Berlin.
As usual I arrived way too early and spent a few minutes (or hours?;-)
standing in front of the building, waiting for something to happen. But
I had my Walkman with me and listened to an old Paris 1976 tape which
helped me to get warmed up for the gig because it was cold outside and
not very comfortable. The doors were still closed but I could already
see the small merchandise counter right behind the main entrance door.
There I saw what was on offer that night: the 5 Ground Liftaz vinyl
singles, the I-Box and the Ground Liftaz t-shirt (30 DM? Gimme a break!)
After a few minutes I was joined by a fan who came over from the
Netherlands and whose name I forgot, but when I asked him if he was a
mailing list member he said no. We had a nice chat for a couple of
minutes and were then joined by Peter Stoeferle and some of his friends,
and soon after I met Conrad Gibbons & his mate who came over from
Ireland just to see the concert. We decided to take something to eat and
9 crazy TD fans entered an Indian restaurant (which I recommended
because I was eating there for lunch). The restaurant staff seemed to
have serious problems with serving our meals and drinks and as we left
it it was already 10.15 p.m. (the doors were opened at 10 pm). I feared
that there would be nothing left to buy and rushed to the merchandise
counter (I still see Peter's amused look ;-) ....but it seems that we
were one of the very first people who stepped into the 'Kalkscheune'.
The counter was run by two lovely ladies who weren't a bit surprised
when I told them that I wanted to have 13 copies of each maxi single
because some of my TD die-hard friends couldn't come, and also a copy
of the 'I-Box'. Because of this large order I got the Ground Liftaz
t-shirt for free which was very kind. So I stumbled back to the parking
garage with boxes full of vinyls and came back but there was no sign of
Jerome yet. In fact, he started to play his set at 0.30 am! I was also
very confused about the low number of people who wanted to see the show.
I guess that we were only 60-70 people in the room when Jerome started
to play, and what a disappointment this must have been for him! I assume
this room has a capacity to hold at least 150 to 200 people, so you can
imagine what a good view we all had. There was a small-sized screen
which started to show all kinds of pictures while TDJ Jerome played his
1-hour long set. From time to time we got bombarded with stage fog and
there also was a small lightshow. The sound was deafening...just what
one would expect from 'club event' ;-)
The show started with some unfamiliar sounds, but once the drums were
setting in we heard familiar sounds...the beginning of 'Poland' (title
track). Conrad and me looked at each other with smiling faces, knewing
that we were in for a treat! After some great 7 minutes the music
changed to 'Maedchen on the stairs' which was in sound identical to the
1997 limited world tour cd-single. Conrad kept writing down the titles
which were played, all that I can remember are the following tracks
1.) Spirit of the Czar (=Poland)
2.) Maedchen on the stairs 1997 version
3.) Diamond dust (=Diamond diary)
4.) Astrophobia (red supernova mix)
5.) Stereolight (=Encore & Desert dream music)
6.) Catwalk (a bit more bass & drum than the album version)
7.) Meng Tian (smart machine remix)
I'm sure Conrad can give the correct playlist on request. The show
lasted for about 60 minutes, and we all had a great time hearing the
music and watching the pictures that were showed on the screen. The last
20 or so minutes were quite funny because you saw excerpts from old
Sci-fi films from the 50's and 60's, most of them were absolutely funny
and hilarious (Zsa Zsa Gabor in 'Queen of outer space', for example).
Suddenly the music changed into something that didn't sound anything
like TD...and I saw that Jerome left his turntable section to pass the
job over to another DJ. But this was IMO a bit boring and it didn't hold
a candle to Jerome's performance which was brilliant.
There also was the 'special guest' which had been announced on the
poster outside the building....it was Edgar himself! He joined Jerome's
gig by standing at a table which was just a few feet away from where we
stood and watched. I don't know if he was pleased with what his son was
doing, but both of them seemed to be quite disappointed by the low
number of attendants. After Jerome ended his gig most of the crowd left
for the bar to order drinks or to buy merchandise stuff. I was a bit
disappointed that there was absolutely no communication with the
audience from the DJ's side. Not even a short 'hello' or 'how are
you'...or a short explanation why we were all here and what 'Ground
Liftaz' is all about.
Since I had the 'I-Box' with me at the concert I took the chance
(together with Heiko Neumann who also joined the event) and headed
towards Edgar and asked him both for autographs..which he did :-D
Soon after that he left the building and drove away.
Later I had a chat with some of Peter Stoeferle's friends and we
exchanged our addresses. It was already after 2pm and I decided to go
back to my hotel room which was just around the corner.
To sum it up:
I have been on better 'parties' before in my life (on a postcard which I
got at the merchandise counter it said 'Record release party & Label
Launch' ;-) ...but the music that Jerome played was brilliant and I
can't wait for the official CD to be get released next January.
Heiko
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From:
'Yensen, Stephen'
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 2:04
pm
Subject: Re: Stuff
Marion said:
---->
Well, I've just been given a tape of
the Nottingham Albert Hall concert (8th November 1976 according to the
person who gave it to me). I dunno what was ingested between the two
sets, but I have a strong suspicion it wasn't camomile tea and a nut
cutlet. (Apologies to any vegetarians on the list for the stereotyping.)
In fact, my first thought when I played the tape through was 'where can
I get some of whatever they're on?!' ;-)
---->
It was absolutely wonderful sitting there with the flashing LEDs (or
whatever) on Chris's setup giving me a feast for my eyes, and incredible
sounds too.
Yes, as Marion has just said, that concert was an absolute cracker. An
example of Classic TD in their heyday. Sorry if I offend some people, but
IMO nothing since then has even come close ...
Cheers,
Steve in Nottingham, UK
- --
np: Nottingham Albert Hall 1976 (just to take me back to my youth)
From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 2:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A long report from the 'Ground Liftaz' event
Hello Heiko
Salute! Thanks very much for the nice and detailed account of the GL event. U
did a wonderful job my friend 8-)
BTW, did you manage to ask the Froeses any interesting questions? (forthcoming
releases/project etc)
Jeffrey
----- Original Message -----
From: Heiko Heerssen
To: tadream@o...
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:19 PM
Subject: [tadream] A long report from the 'Ground Liftaz' event
Hi Gang,
as promised last Friday here is my report of the 'Ground Liftaz' event
that took place two days ago at the 'Kalkscheune' in the heart of
Berlin.
As usual I arrived way too early and spent a few minutes (or hours?;-)
standing in front of the building, waiting for something to happen. But
I had my Walkman with me and listened to an old Paris 1976 tape which
helped me to get warmed up for the gig because it was cold outside and
not very comfortable. The doors were still closed but I could already
see the small merchandise counter right behind the main entrance door.
There I saw what was on offer that night: the 5 Ground Liftaz vinyl
singles, the I-Box and the Ground Liftaz t-shirt (30 DM? Gimme a break!)
After a few minutes I was joined by a fan who came over from the
Netherlands and whose name I forgot, but when I asked him if he was a
mailing list member he said no. We had a nice chat for a couple of
minutes and were then joined by Peter Stoeferle and some of his friends,
and soon after I met Conrad Gibbons & his mate who came over from
Ireland just to see the concert. We decided to take something to eat and
9 crazy TD fans entered an Indian restaurant (which I recommended
because I was eating there for lunch). The restaurant staff seemed to
have serious problems with serving our meals and drinks and as we left
it it was already 10.15 p.m. (the doors were opened at 10 pm). I feared
that there would be nothing left to buy and rushed to the merchandise
counter (I still see Peter's amused look ;-) ....but it seems that we
were one of the very first people who stepped into the 'Kalkscheune'.
The counter was run by two lovely ladies who weren't a bit surprised
when I told them that I wanted to have 13 copies of each maxi single
because some of my TD die-hard friends couldn't come, and also a copy
of the 'I-Box'. Because of this large order I got the Ground Liftaz
t-shirt for free which was very kind. So I stumbled back to the parking
garage with boxes full of vinyls and came back but there was no sign of
Jerome yet. In fact, he started to play his set at 0.30 am! I was also
very confused about the low number of people who wanted to see the show.
I guess that we were only 60-70 people in the room when Jerome started
to play, and what a disappointment this must have been for him! I assume
this room has a capacity to hold at least 150 to 200 people, so you can
imagine what a good view we all had. There was a small-sized screen
which started to show all kinds of pictures while TDJ Jerome played his
1-hour long set. From time to time we got bombarded with stage fog and
there also was a small lightshow. The sound was deafening...just what
one would expect from 'club event' ;-)
The show started with some unfamiliar sounds, but once the drums were
setting in we heard familiar sounds...the beginning of 'Poland' (title
track). Conrad and me looked at each other with smiling faces, knewing
that we were in for a treat! After some great 7 minutes the music
changed to 'Maedchen on the stairs' which was in sound identical to the
1997 limited world tour cd-single. Conrad kept writing down the titles
which were played, all that I can remember are the following tracks
1.) Spirit of the Czar (=Poland)
2.) Maedchen on the stairs 1997 version
3.) Diamond dust (=Diamond diary)
4.) Astrophobia (red supernova mix)
5.) Stereolight (=Encore & Desert dream music)
6.) Catwalk (a bit more bass & drum than the album version)
7.) Meng Tian (smart machine remix)
I'm sure Conrad can give the correct playlist on request. The show
lasted for about 60 minutes, and we all had a great time hearing the
music and watching the pictures that were showed on the screen. The last
20 or so minutes were quite funny because you saw excerpts from old
Sci-fi films from the 50's and 60's, most of them were absolutely funny
and hilarious (Zsa Zsa Gabor in 'Queen of outer space', for example).
Suddenly the music changed into something that didn't sound anything
like TD...and I saw that Jerome left his turntable section to pass the
job over to another DJ. But this was IMO a bit boring and it didn't hold
a candle to Jerome's performance which was brilliant.
There also was the 'special guest' which had been announced on the
poster outside the building....it was Edgar himself! He joined Jerome's
gig by standing at a table which was just a few feet away from where we
stood and watched. I don't know if he was pleased with what his son was
doing, but both of them seemed to be quite disappointed by the low
number of attendants. After Jerome ended his gig most of the crowd left
for the bar to order drinks or to buy merchandise stuff. I was a bit
disappointed that there was absolutely no communication with the
audience from the DJ's side. Not even a short 'hello' or 'how are
you'...or a short explanation why we were all here and what 'Ground
Liftaz' is all about.
Since I had the 'I-Box' with me at the concert I took the chance
(together with Heiko Neumann who also joined the event) and headed
towards Edgar and asked him both for autographs..which he did :-D
Soon after that he left the building and drove away.
Later I had a chat with some of Peter Stoeferle's friends and we
exchanged our addresses. It was already after 2pm and I decided to go
back to my hotel room which was just around the corner.
To sum it up:
I have been on better 'parties' before in my life (on a postcard which I
got at the merchandise counter it said 'Record release party & Label
Launch' ;-) ...but the music that Jerome played was brilliant and I
can't wait for the official CD to be get released next January.
Heiko
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 3:04
pm
Subject: how was Ground Liftaz??
Who all went to the Ground Liftaz event?
May we have a review?
-Joe
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 3:06
pm
Subject: OOPS! ignore that : RE: how was Ground Liftaz??
sorry- just saw your post, Heiko. thanks!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:05 AM
> To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
> Subject: how was Ground Liftaz??
>
>
> Who all went to the Ground Liftaz event?
>
> May we have a review?
>
> -Joe
>
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 3:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] how was Ground Liftaz??
Joe Shoults wrote:
> Who all went to the Ground Liftaz event?
I saw your 'oops ignore that' post, but to answer your question I would
guess that from this list only very few people attended. Peter Stoeferle,
Heiko Neumann, Conrad Gibbons, myself...anybody else?! ..Some of the usual
suspects didn't come (hello Klaus & Rainer ;-) and I think that even some of
people in the small audience weren't TD fans but just wanted to see who is
playing. I think that if TD/Jerome would have played his set in the United
States the hall would have been crammed full with half of the people from
the Tadream list! ;-)
Heiko
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 3:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A long report from the 'Ground Liftaz' event
Jeffrey Au Yeung wrote:
> Salute! Thanks very much for the nice and detailed account of the GL event. U
did a wonderful job my friend 8-)
Thanks very much. I guess I spent half of the day here in the office with
reading and writing e-mails instead of
working ~LOL~
> BTW, did you manage to ask the Froeses any interesting questions?
(forthcoming releases/project etc)
no, but my friend Conrad came up with a huge list of interesting questions
which he wanted to ask Edgar and/or
Jerome. And when Edgar left the hall Conrad asked him if it would be ok to meet
for an interview. Some of his
questions were very interesting and I hope that it went as planned.
There also was a 'VIP area' and I saw Olaf Zimmermann (moderator of the famous
'Electrobeats' radio show) attended
the concert, so chances are that he (or whoever it was) made an interview with
the Froeses.
Heiko
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 3:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tangerinedream] Bootleg discussions
There's one main reason I'd want the bootleg discussions to remain on
[tadream], and that is that we've established a pretty good repository of TD
information in the form of the searchable egroups tadream messages database.
[tadream] will have all the D:Studio and D:Solo discussions here, and it
would make sense that the D:Boots were in the same place.
In regards to the specific activity of discussing trading boots, think about
it from an historical standpoint: you would hardly ever want to go back into
the egroups.com message database and look up 'who traded what' and 'when'
they did it. That is not the kind of information that would be useful in a
encyclopedia of information about TD and their music, which is what the
egroups searchable archives effectively is. However, discussions about
specific recordings and concerts would be perfect information for us all to
be able to access indefinitely. That is one main reason why we've kept the
list at egroups, and by the way, I sent in that check to have the sponsor
ads removed from the tadream posts, and I don't know why they haven't
stopped. I'm checking into it.
But you're right: discussing boots will inevitably lead to people wanting to
discuss trade. A link in the footer should be sufficient to steer these to
the [tangerinedream] list, which is ideal for this. I guess the question
is, do you think it would be beneficial to keep discussions about trades
separate from discussion of the music and recordings themselves? My initial
thought it that it would get kind of cluttered up with all in one place.
FYI, here are current results, but with only 38 respondents, I still don't
feel that is a good sampling. Perhaps I should have put a choice as 'No
preference'? If you are not voting in the poll because you have no
preference, you can let us know on or off list (reply or
mailto:tadream-owner@egroups.com), and we'll report the totals back to the
list.
Here are the current results. (Should we conclude this poll on November 7?)
Responses:
Choices Votes % 38 replies
discuss Boots/fan CDRs 13 34.21%
discuss Solo works 17 44.74%
discuss neither 1 2.63%
discuss both simultaneously 7 18.42%
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...]
...
> I second the move to discuss bootlegs 'officially' on the un-moderated
> tangerinedream@egroups.com list. This way we won't need our
> lawyers and our list owner to screen each and every word ;-)
From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 4:29
pm
Subject: RE: (tadream) The 5 New 12' Vinys-Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome
> From: 'Michael A Jean'
>Subject: RE: The 5 New 12' Vinyls - Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome on >ebay
>Cool...
>Will these tunes re appearing on DM 3 too; or don't we know yet?
>MJ
### I hope so, great Remixes###
###Heiko###
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... [mailto:NEUMANN.H-J@t...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 6:19 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] The 5 New 12' Vinyls - Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome on
> ebay
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> please follow the link to my 3 DAY`S ebay Auction:
>
> The 5 New 12' Vinyl`s 2000
>
> http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=483007733
>
> Thank you for your visit and bids.
>
> Heiko from Germany
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 6:17
pm
Subject: Re: Home compilations
Picking up on the thread started a few days back
regards one's own compilations of TD material, Myself
and my wife have such a double C90 compilation tape
consisting of TD & Chris Franke material that's been
in the car and at home for six years now, and for us
it just seems to work so well. I suppose it's to do
with the fact that - a) it's the 'soundtrack' to our
video when we were on holiday in
California/Arizona/Utah, and b) it's the holiday where
we met for the first time. So I suppose it's
sentimental. But nevertheless when taken as a whole
for us it really feels like a 'journey' and as such,
it's best heard in one big gulp. Perhaps if I briefly
tell the story of our journey some of these tracks
will make sense (although you have to remember that
excerpts from each track will have been put on the
video). What do you folks think?
SOUNDTRACK TO THE INDIAN TRAIL
Tape 1 Side 1
When the Sun Loves Trees (from Enchanted Nature)
(Title music)
House of the Sun (from Raven) (setting off from our
hotel onto the freeway)
Firetongues (CD single version) (leaving Palm Springs,
back onto the freeway)
Paddles/Stolen Pills (from Deadly Care) (Walking
around Joshua Tree National Park)
Haleakala (from Raven) (On the freeway again)
Melissa Asks Dylan Out (from Catch Me if You Can)
(First thing in the morning, sun rising, emerging from
our tents!)
Dylan's Triumph (from Catch Me if You Can) (freeway
again)
Water's Gift (from Canyon Dreams) (evening scenes at
our next camp site)
Canyon Carver (from Canyon Dreams) (In the morning,
hot air balloons above the desert)
Pergamon (piano part) (from Tangents) (flowing water
and views in Red Rock canyon)
Big Sur Romance (from Pacific Coast Highway) (More
views in Red Rock canyon)
A Matter of Time (from Canyon Dreams) (Walking into
the Grand Canyon)
Side 2
Silver Scale (from Tangents) (taking off and flying
over the Grand Canyon)
Celtic Mist (from Enchanted Nature) (Sun setting over
the Grand Canyon)
Scattered Thoughts of a Canyon Flight (from Klemania)
(journey to, and scenes from Monument Valley)
Silence of the Eclipse (from Enchanting Nature)
(Morning in Monument Valley)
Wasted & Sick (from Deadly Care) (Driving in the bare
and desolate Canyonlands)
More Pills (from Deadly Care) (In Canyonlands)
Tape 2 Side 1
Chrysalis (from Babylon 5) (Last section of this piece
only: leaving Canyonlands)
A Whore in One (from Dead Solid Perfect) (Still
photographs of the tour party canoeing)
Alchemy of Straw (from Rumplestiltskin) (Walking in
Mesa Verde & Arches National Park)
Ski & the Big Kahuna (from Raven) (At a ranch in Utah)
Annie & Father (from Deadly Care) (At a ranch in Utah)
Mojave Plan (from Tangents) (Opening scenes of Bryce
Canyon)
Tangram (from Tangents) (Walking in Bryce Canyon)
Creation (from Tangents) (Scene of climbers in Zion
Canyon)
Side 2
Invisible Limits (from Tangents) (Walking out of Bryce
Canyon)
Stratosfear (from Tangents) (Driving to Zion, pitching
tents, scenes of nature near the camp site)
The Call (from Tangents) (In Zion National Park)
Charley the Kid (from Firestarter) (Driving to Las
Vegas)
Inside the Morphing Space (from Klemania) (Last few
minutes of track used for closing 'flashback' sequence
and closing titles
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 6:35
pm
Subject: Ground Liftaz
Thanks Heiko for the wonderful review for those of us who couldn't, but who
would have liked to have gone.
You may be right about that if TD/Jerome would have played his set in the US
it would have been full. That's because we haven't seen them in over eight
years! We're STARVING over here for the likes of them and other good EM
groups, ie; Red Shift, AirSculpture, Arcane, Under The Dome, RMI, Code
Indigo and others. But even when these groups play over in the UK they play
before very sparse crowds, to my amazement! The only reason I can come up
for this is that EM is still a very small and specialized musical genre. If
the world could only hear some of the great EM that is being produced! That
to me is the problem. The world hasn't heard them yet! They're still
listening to some of that mainstream crap, like on MTV where you can hear
that shit by the truck load! Sadly, the US is not the place to be for a
whole lot of good Electronic Music, it just seems to me that most of the
great EM and concerts is on your side of the pond :-(
BTW, Heiko, I would be very interested in some of those vinyl's should you
have any problems getting rid of any.
Also, I've been listening to Red Shift's 'Ether' CD and I must say that
tracks number one and four, 'A Midnight Clear' and 'Ether', in a head to
head match with Pergamon's two tracks would be a too close to call deal. And
*you know* what I think of Pergamon too!! Those are the kind of gems that I
spend my hard earned money and my life searching for. Well, I gotta get back
to digging for those gems. :-) On schedule we have Rainbow Serpent and
Software
Frank Arellano
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'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 6:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: (tadream) The 5 New 12' Vinys-Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome
Heiko, what is the current bid in US dollars ???
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:29 AM
Subject: [tadream] RE: (tadream) The 5 New 12' Vinys-Dream Mixes III/TDJ
Rome
>
> > From: 'Michael A Jean'
> >Subject: RE: The 5 New 12' Vinyls - Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome on >ebay
>
> >Cool...
>
> >Will these tunes re appearing on DM 3 too; or don't we know yet?
>
> >MJ
>
> ### I hope so, great Remixes###
>
> ###Heiko###
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... [mailto:NEUMANN.H-J@t...]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 6:19 AM
> > To: tadream@egroups.com
> > Subject: [tadream] The 5 New 12' Vinyls - Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome on
> > ebay
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > please follow the link to my 3 DAY`S ebay Auction:
> >
> > The 5 New 12' Vinyl`s 2000
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=483007733
> >
> > Thank you for your visit and bids.
> >
> > Heiko from Germany
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: (tadream) The 5 New 12' Vinys-Dream Mixes III/TDJ Rome
that would be $40.00 I have never seen $US expressed using a comma on e-bay,
but I know it is a standard way of doing it elsewhere.
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From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 6:50
pm
Subject: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
Okay, this is my idea regards the next 'Astral
Voyager' listeners chart, for this Christmas on Radio
Rak, to be broadcast on Friday, 15 December.
Probably like everyone else, I initially thought about
a 'favourite track' chart. But there's countless
tracks to choose from. And then if we did do it, the
chart would probably look like this:
1 Tangram part 1
2 Ricochet part 2
3 LiveMiles part 2
4 Quichotte part 2
5 Phaedra
6 Force Majeure
7 Ricochet Part 1
8 Rubycon part 1
9 Madrigal Meridian
10 Tangram Part 2
All fine tracks in their own right, but do you see the
main problem regards airplay?
With a couple of exceptions, the Edgar & Jerome era
has consisted of short tracks (yes, I know, so has the
Edgar & Paul era), and has been going on for nearly
ten years. It is today's TD after all, and I think I
would be equally curious as to how those folks (which
appears to be most of us) who prefer their earlier
material would cast their vote.
So, here are my suggested guidelines on voting:
Select your ten favourite TD tracks recorded by Edgar
& Jerome (and friends) since 1991, in ONE TO TEN order
please.
1. If there is more than one version of the same
track, specify from which album (or which mix) it is.
2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded
before 1991 don't count (sorry) (and this will
probably disregard the 'I-BOX' set, but most of us
probably won't get the set until December anyway)
3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for
unreleased material (much as I like 'Empire of The
Sun' on the TD boot 'Sol et Terre', an eighteen minute
masterpiece!!!)
4. As it is officially a TD album after all and
recorded in 1994, 'Zoning' tracks can be included.
Also tracks by Edgar & Linda.
5. (and this may be the controversial point)
'Valentine Wheels' may contain old material, but it
was released as an official modern TD album, performed
by edgar & Jerome, so all tracks on here may be
included.
Tracks voted at number one will be given ten points;
number two given nine points, and so on down to number
ten, which will receive one point.
In the poll I conducted last Spring regards everyone's
all-time favourite TD albums, some of you posted lists
'in no particular order', which I disregarded from the
chart. I now believe that was an error, and although
whilst I believe it would have had no effect on the
eventual winner (which was 'Tangram'), other albums
may have had achieved higher placings, and I'm certain
'Green Desert' would not have attained the number 20
position at the time.
If you REALLY MUST post your 'Top Ten' in 'no
particular order', then you may do so. I'll count the
tracks as equal first place (or equal tenth, depending
how you look at it), as each track will share the
total points available from one to ten between them,
hence each track will receive 5.5 points each.
For this chart, I really need as many of you as
possible to vote as we obviously have considerably
more votes to spread around Edgar & Jerome's tracks
than the total number of TD albums.
We'll begin the polling next week ... let's use the
remaining time to gauge your thoughts, opinions or any
further suggestions...
Should I wait for 'Dream Mixes Three'? The tracks,
from your comments Heiko, sound like something to
really look forward to. But as it's not officially
released until February, I don't want to delay the
poll until then. And Heiko, don't vote for those
tracks you love - for the simple reason I don't have
the music yet!!
Okay, there's my bits. Look forward to your thoughts,
Frank, Sean, Heiko, Marion, and the rest of the
gang...
Regards
Roger
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From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 6:49
pm
Subject: Top ten tracks by Edgar & Jerome
Okay, this is my idea regards the next 'Astral
Voyager' listeners chart, for this Christmas on Radio
Rak, to be broadcast on Friday, 15 December.
Probably like everyone else, I initially thought about
a 'favourite track' chart. But there's countless
tracks to choose from. And then if we did do it, the
chart would probably look like this:
1 Tangram part 1
2 Ricochet part 2
3 LiveMiles part 2
4 Quichotte part 2
5 Phaedra
6 Force Majeure
7 Ricochet Part 1
8 Rubycon part 1
9 Madrigal Meridian
10 Tangram Part 2
All fine tracks in their own right, but do you see the
main problem regards airplay?
With a couple of exceptions, the Edgar & Jerome era
has consisted of short tracks (yes, I know, so has the
Edgar & Paul era), and has been going on for nearly
ten years. It is today's TD after all, and I think I
would be equally curious as to how those folks (which
appears to be most of us) who prefer their earlier
material would cast their vote.
So, here are my suggested guidelines on voting:
Select your ten favourite TD tracks recorded by Edgar
& Jerome (and friends) since 1991, in ONE TO TEN order
please.
1. If there is more than one version of the same
track, specify from which album (or which mix) it is.
2. Tangentized tracks of material originally recorded
before 1991 don't count (sorry) (and this will
probably disregard the 'I-BOX' set, but most of us
probably won't get the set until December anyway)
3. Official releases only. Please, no votes for
unreleased material (much as I like 'Empire of The
Sun' on the TD boot 'Sol et Terre', an eighteen minute
masterpiece!!!)
4. As it is officially a TD album after all and
recorded in 1994, 'Zoning' tracks can be included.
Also tracks by Edgar & Linda.
5. (and this may be the controversial point)
'Valentine Wheels' may contain old material, but it
was released as an official modern TD album, performed
by edgar & Jerome, so all tracks on here may be
included.
Tracks voted at number one will be given ten points;
number two given nine points, and so on down to number
ten, which will receive one point.
In the poll I conducted last Spring regards everyone's
all-time favourite TD albums, some of you posted lists
'in no particular order', which I disregarded from the
chart. I now believe that was an error, and although
whilst I believe it would have had no effect on the
eventual winner (which was 'Tangram'), other albums
may have had achieved higher placings, and I'm certain
'Green Desert' would not have attained the number 20
position at the time.
If you REALLY MUST post your 'Top Ten' in 'no
particular order', then you may do so. I'll count the
tracks as equal first place (or equal tenth, depending
how you look at it), as each track will share the
total points available from one to ten between them,
hence each track will receive 5.5 points each.
For this chart, I really need as many of you as
possible to vote as we obviously have considerably
more votes to spread around Edgar & Jerome's tracks
than the total number of TD albums.
We'll begin the polling next week ... let's use the
remaining time to gauge your thoughts, opinions or any
further suggestions...
Should I wait for 'Dream Mixes Three'? The tracks,
from your comments Heiko, sound like something to
really look forward to. But as it's not officially
released until February, I don't want to delay the
poll until then. And Heiko, don't vote for those
tracks you love - for the simple reason I don't have
the music yet!!
Okay, there's my bits. Look forward to your thoughts,
Frank, Sean, Heiko, Marion, and the rest of the
gang...
Regards
Roger
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Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 7:09
pm
Subject: Whoops...
I'll get used to this thing one day...
(sorry about the duplication, Joe!)
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From:
AirWave
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 8:29
pm
Subject: Re:Iron Klaus
Marcel Engels wrote :
> Isn't that from '81 or so?
> I see a GDS computer on stage so it can't be '76.
Oh of course. I was way off there ;-))
September 8th 1980 in Linz, Austria.
Thanx for setting me straight ;-)
With the amount of albums he puts out it sometimes
becomes a little difficult remembering all the
dates. But I'm not complaining ;-))
Cheers.
AirWave.
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 9:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
> From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
>
> You may be right about that if TD/Jerome would have played his
> set in the US
> it would have been full. That's because we haven't seen them in over eight
> years! We're STARVING over here for the likes of them and other good EM
> groups, ie; Red Shift, AirSculpture, Arcane, Under The Dome, RMI, Code
> Indigo and others. But even when these groups play over in the
> UK they play
> before very sparse crowds, to my amazement!
Well...there was the Okefenokee trip...
And there were about 8 people. :-)
But it was one of the best experiences I had!
> The only reason I can come up
> for this is that EM is still a very small and specialized musical
> genre.
The E-Live and Alfa Centauri festivals both attracts
about 700 a 800 people every year from lots of countries
so there is interest. But still this is quite small for
such big festivals.
A little bit of exposure on tv or whatever would be
helpfull yes.
Marcel
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 9:45
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re:Iron Klaus
> > Isn't that from '81 or so?
> > I see a GDS computer on stage so it can't be '76.
>
> Oh of course. I was way off there ;-))
> September 8th 1980 in Linz, Austria.
>
> Thanx for setting me straight ;-)
>
> With the amount of albums he puts out it sometimes
> becomes a little difficult remembering all the
> dates. But I'm not complaining ;-))
:-) no problem.
Mostly I can tell what year it is by what instruments
he uses.
Unless he uses all of his old gear again. :-)
Marcel
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 10:17
pm
Subject: RE: Edgar & beer (and other vices)
Marcel wrote:
>Of course we all have that 'Phaedra' video lying around somewhere...
I do, but my copy is from a German TV broadcast, so even though the
interview is in English, I
can't understand any of it because the translation drowns out the actual
conversations. :-(
>So do you guys think the alcohol and drugs did something
>to their music in the older days? :-)
I have a snippet of a Klaus Schulze interview where he admits:
'The whole basis for the Cosmic Jokers sessions was LSD.'
Of course that was post-TD, but who knows...
It IS pretty funny to watch Johannes taking a smoke break on stage during
the 1981 Mojave Plan video (with the Munich Symphony). He suddenly realizes
his part is coming up and drops his cigarette just in time to get his hand
on the keys!
James
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 10:38
pm
Subject: Where did all the people go at Ground Liftaz?
Hello all-
I read Heiko's wonderful account of the Ground Liftaz show and I
was sorry to hear that so few people were there for the show. (see below
he estimates 60-70 people in a place that could hold 150-200) But when
he called the ticket office on September 7th they were almost out of tickets.
(I recalled somebody saying that so I searched the archives for 'ground
liftaz ticket' and I came up with Heiko's message)
Do you think they were telling the truth? (again, see below) Or were they
exepecting a sold out show and nobody came, or just what is the deal?
Regards,
Joel
On Monday, October 30, 2000 7:19 AM, Heiko Heerssen
[SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...] wrote:
> I was also
> very confused about the low number of people who wanted to see the show.
> I guess that we were only 60-70 people in the room when Jerome started
> to play, and what a disappointment this must have been for him! I assume
> this room has a capacity to hold at least 150 to 200 people, so you can
> imagine what a good view we all had. There was a small-sized screen
On Thursday, September 7, 2000 00:48 AM, Heiko Heerssen
[SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...] wrote:
> P.S.: 2 days ago I was shocked to find out that you have to buy a ticket
> for Jerome's 'Ground Liftaz' event in Berlin (October 28th). When I phoned
> them there were only 26 tickets left, so it seems I came just in time.
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From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 12:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
Totally agree with you.
We're starving for good EM here in the US! I got to see Dweller at the
Threshold in Philadelphia several weeks ago, but these kinds of
opportunities are few and far between.
With the limited audience for EM and the quantity of equipment required by
EM artists, I guess all these great UK/European EM artists can't cost
justify a trip to the US.
But, the next time I am across the pond, I sure hope there are a lot of
concerts happening!
Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arellano
To: tadream@egroups.com
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 1:28 PM
Subject: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
>
>Thanks Heiko for the wonderful review for those of us who couldn't, but who
>would have liked to have gone.
>
>You may be right about that if TD/Jerome would have played his set in the
US
>it would have been full. That's because we haven't seen them in over eight
>years! We're STARVING over here for the likes of them and other good EM
>groups, ie; Red Shift, AirSculpture, Arcane, Under The Dome, RMI, Code
>Indigo and others. But even when these groups play over in the UK they
play
>before very sparse crowds, to my amazement! The only reason I can come up
>for this is that EM is still a very small and specialized musical genre. If
>the world could only hear some of the great EM that is being produced! That
>to me is the problem. The world hasn't heard them yet! They're still
>listening to some of that mainstream crap, like on MTV where you can hear
>that shit by the truck load! Sadly, the US is not the place to be for a
>whole lot of good Electronic Music, it just seems to me that most of the
>great EM and concerts is on your side of the pond :-(
>
>BTW, Heiko, I would be very interested in some of those vinyl's should you
>have any problems getting rid of any.
>Also, I've been listening to Red Shift's 'Ether' CD and I must say that
>tracks number one and four, 'A Midnight Clear' and 'Ether', in a head to
>head match with Pergamon's two tracks would be a too close to call deal.
And
>*you know* what I think of Pergamon too!! Those are the kind of gems that I
>spend my hard earned money and my life searching for. Well, I gotta get
back
>to digging for those gems. :-) On schedule we have Rainbow Serpent and
>Software
>
>Frank Arellano
>
>
>
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From:
Gabe Yedid
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 3:28
am
Subject: RE: backwards Choronzon (was RE: [tadream] Discussions Voting)
Do you guys mean the concluding section of 'Tangent' from _Poland_, a.k.a.
'Polish Dance'?
Gabe
>===== Original Message From ';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk'
=====
>The music is reversible, but time is not. Turn back, turn back...
>On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Joe Shoults wrote:
>>
>> > yes, I have a backwards choronzon on an old tape tree tape- that is, the
>> > notes are backwards, but the rhythm isn't, if I recall correctly.
>>
>> noznorohc sdrawkcab? dna i thguoht i dah gnihtyreve... ~LOL~
>>
>> okieHHeiko
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 6:05
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] I-Box Surprise!
Great review Heiko, maybe now TD will bring the guestbook
back on-line so people can say some postive things. My
guess is they got tired of all the complaining. I-Box sounds
like a pretty good deal over-all so they should not worry too
much.
Joel
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 6:53
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
> From: Vince LeGrand [mailto:vince-l@e...]
>
> With the limited audience for EM and the quantity of equipment required by
> EM artists, I guess all these great UK/European EM artists can't cost
> justify a trip to the US.
Euh...shall I say it again? Okefenokee trip?
No problem getting my equipment over.
Or you didn't want to see/hear me haha.
> But, the next time I am across the pond, I sure hope there are a lot of
> concerts happening!
If you want to meet lots of EM fans and listen to
a lot of bands then the E-Live and Alfa festivals
are the ones to go to.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee
mengels@w...
From:
'Alan Benson'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 7:17
am
Subject: Re (x the usual number of suspects) A long report from the 'Ground Liftaz' event
In [tadream] Digest Number 682 Heiko wrote:
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:19:17 +0100
> From: Heiko Heerssen
> Subject: A long report from the 'Ground Liftaz' event
>
> Hi Gang,
> as promised last Friday here is my report of the 'Ground Liftaz'
> event that took place two days ago at the 'Kalkscheune' in the
> heart of Berlin.<<<
Heiko -- that was a wonderful first hand report, in which
I along with many others I suspect, were really looking
forward too and *YOU* did not disappoint. :-) Clearly,
your profound knowledge of TD is of course second to
none, but I'm continually amazed at your distinct know-
ledge of the American cinema! ~lol~ I've already taken
the time to sprinkle the good news around a bit. Thanks
also to Conrad for catching all the TD titles and writing
them down. Besides, the many rumors of my demise
are greatly exaggerated... ~ROFL~
Heiko wrote in [tadream] Digest Number 680:
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:22:50 +0200
> From: Heiko Heerssen
> Subject: Ground Liftaz
>
> Hi, it seems that some of the 'ususal suspects' on this
> mailing list won't find the time to join the Ground Liftaz
> event on Saturday, so I'll do my best...<<
>
> P.S.: Speaking of LOL's and ROFL's....the presence of
> my TD guru Al Benson (The TD's pal) on this list is sadly
> missed!!!!! (But he promised me to be back into 'TD
> business' soon ;-)<<<
Yes, and the SIR Theater video (PAL version) should
be ready by later this week (finally!). As, I promised to
mail Neumann's first, followed quickly by yours, Rainer's
and Carlo's. ;-)
And:
Marion (L&H) wrote in [tadream] Digest Number 681:
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:32:04 +0100
> From: horrod6
> Subject: Stuff
> Here's my digested response to digest 680!
>
> Heiko - despite Joe's attempt to fill the laughter gap
> in his later posting, I miss Al too. Al, I hope you're at
> least out there in lurk mode, ROFLYAO (carefully).<<<
Hehehe... Yes, *carefully* it is and I'm still running in
TD deep lurk mode, but trying to fix (repair) everything
as soon as humanly possible (some recurrences of
those darn physical problems have resurfaced but
are manageable). I'll get to 'Re (x3) Long time no
speak' hopefully by this weekend. Clearly realizing
that getting old is not all its hyped up to be! ~lol~
And somewhat belated, but 'Congrats' Joe to the
new addition to your family! :-)
My Best Always,
-- Al
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 7:33
am
Subject: Re: Edgar & beer
Hi,
what the heck is that Phaedra video????????????
Aboud Edgar & drink I have no clue. Jerome did a lot of advertising
on his (it's been a long time ago) webpage of a friend brewing his
own beer. You see Klaus smoking on lots of photos and CD/LP covers
(most recently on 'Are you sequenced'). Guess they all smoked
at some stage. Hey, even did I. And I'm vegetarian too.
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Marcel Engels' wrote:
> > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...]
> >
> > I'm very sure about this, the old TD stopped drugs, smoke and
drink
> > in the mid-seventies (look at the 'Phaedra' interview video to see
them
> > before this happened ;-). Edgar and Jerome are vegetarians, and
>
> Of course we all have that 'Phaedra' video lying around somewhere...
>
> So do you guys think the alcohol and drugs did something
> to their music in the older days? :-)
>
> Marcel
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 8:24
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
Frank Arellano wrote:
> Thanks Heiko for the wonderful review for those of us who couldn't, but who
> would have liked to have gone.
Thanks Frank & all the others who responded to my review :-)
> BTW, Heiko, I would be very interested in some of those vinyl's should you
> have any problems getting rid of any.
I have kept 3 of each of those vinyls for my own collection, and yesterday I did
put each of the 5 maxis up at eBAY (for the first and last time!) . It is a
three-day auction...and so far I have no bids? Come on guys?!!! ;-)
> Also, I've been listening to Red Shift's 'Ether' CD and I must say that
> tracks number one and four, 'A Midnight Clear' and 'Ether', in a head to
> head match with Pergamon's two tracks would be a too close to call deal. And
> *you know* what I think of Pergamon too!!
This is indeed a brilliant album. The TD influences are more than obvious but
despite my disliking of bands who try to imitate other bands' music instead of
doing their own thing, this cd is excellent.
Heiko
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 10:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
Marcel, when are the E-Live and the Alpha Festivals anyways?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marcel Engels'
To:
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
> > From: Vince LeGrand [mailto:vince-l@e...]
> >
> > With the limited audience for EM and the quantity of equipment required
by
> > EM artists, I guess all these great UK/European EM artists can't cost
> > justify a trip to the US.
>
> Euh...shall I say it again? Okefenokee trip?
> No problem getting my equipment over.
> Or you didn't want to see/hear me haha.
>
> > But, the next time I am across the pond, I sure hope there are a lot of
> > concerts happening!
>
> If you want to meet lots of EM fans and listen to
> a lot of bands then the E-Live and Alfa festivals
> are the ones to go to.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee
> mengels@w...
>
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 11:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Where did all the people go at Ground Liftaz?
Joel Mullen wrote:
> Do you think they were telling the truth? (again, see below) Or were they
> exepecting a sold out show and nobody came, or just what is the deal?
When I saw that there were only 26 tickets left (I got this information from
the homepage of the
'Kalkscheune') I phoned them immediately and ordered my ticket. But the person
who I was talking
to told me that there were still much more than just 26 tickets for sale
because this was the
number they decided to sell on their homepage (well, not 26 but not that more,
maybe 50?)
I don't know what the Kalkscheune or the TD(I) people did expect, but this must
have been quite
a shock to find only a handful of people who wanted to see the concert. But on
this night it
seemed to be just one of many other events which took place in Berlin, maybe
the only city in
Germany about which you can say 'if I can make it there, I'll make it
everywhere' ;-)
I wished there were more people to see the Ground Liftaz gig, some of us felt
like we were at
the wrong party. But Jerome's set was fantastic and I got an autographed I-Box
from THE MAN
himself, so why do I complain?? ;-)
Heiko
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 10:56
am
Subject: Edgar and Jerome
Roger,
Everything sounds good to me. :-) I'm already starting to figure out my
top ten :-) If I can be of any help, let me know how.
Frank Arellano
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 11:48
am
Subject: Off Topic
Even If you're not a sports fan you gotta like these quotes.
Boxing promoter Dan Duva on Mike Tyson hooking up again with promoter Don
King:
'Why would you expect him to come out smarter? He went to prison for three
years, not Princeton.'
Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player:
'I told him,'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?
He said, 'Coach, I don't know and I don't care.'
Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M,
recounting what he told a player who received four F's and one D:
'Son, it looks to me like you're spending too much time on one subject.'
Just thought that you all would enjoy these :-D
I know........I'm guilty of invading the sanctity of beyond_em again :-)
Frank Arellano
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 12:01
pm
Subject: Edgar
Heiko,
I would have been tickled to death too if I would have gotten his
autograph personally! And he still is 'THE MAN' too, imo :-) How would you
like to have lived the life he has lived, huh? :-)
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 12:33
pm
Subject: Grand Canyon & Canyon Dreams
Oh, maybe that's of interest:
I took a colleague and a customer to the Grand Canyon two weeks
ago. We stayed for two days along the south rim, and visited about
every souvenir shop on the way ;-)
Loads of different videos available, many with music, but no,
zero, zilch 'Canyon Deams' in the video or CD bins.
cheers,
klaus
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 1:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Grand Canyon & Canyon Dreams
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
> Loads of different videos available, many with music, but no,
> zero, zilch 'Canyon Deams' in the video or CD bins.
boo-hoo. If my poor memory serves me right 'Canyon dreams' was a very close
runner-up in the 'best video' category for the Grammy nominations, missing
the win by only 3 or 4 votes.
I haven't visited the Grand Canyon yet, but it must be quite an experience
to be there, walking around and listen to 'Canyon dreams' :-) . I saw the
video a couple of weeks ago and it was absolutely beautiful. I watched it
with my wife and she didn't even complain about the music. This must have
been one of the rare exceptions where 'wifes and TD' didn't end up in chaos
and dispute ~LOL~
Heiko
From:
Vincent Goudreault
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 2:19
pm
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon & Canyon Dreams
tadream@egroups.com wrote:
>
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:33:48 +0100
> From: Klaus Beschorner
> Subject: Grand Canyon & Canyon Dreams
>
> Oh, maybe that's of interest:
> I took a colleague and a customer to the Grand Canyon two weeks
> ago. We stayed for two days along the south rim, and visited about
> every souvenir shop on the way ;-)
> Loads of different videos available, many with music, but no,
> zero, zilch 'Canyon Deams' in the video or CD bins.
>
> cheers,
> klaus
>
>
The point is that you should have asked for it, everywhere.
The folks running those shops may not even know about Canyon Dreams,
and if you'd asked, they may have decided to find it and stock it.
--
C.B.V. Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
tweibre361@a...
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 4:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 683
In a message dated 10/31/00 02:00:03 Eastern Standard Time,
tadream@egroups.com writes:
<< We're starving for good EM here in the US! I got to see Dweller at the
Threshold in Philadelphia several weeks ago, but these kinds of
opportunities are few and far between. >>
...you may want to come up to NYC more often...
tom w
np: jega - geometry
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 5:30
pm
Subject: TD and wives
What another husband in trouble? :-)
I wonder how many of us are in this boat. I would bet too many. In my case
it's not so much the money, but rather the music. 'It annoys me.' Not just
TD either, but electronic music in general. Ahh! I wasn't that crazy about
her anyways.
Frank Arellano
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 5:39
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD and wives
Before we got married I told my wife-to-be that I would
probably stopping in every CD store that we ever walked
by to check out the Tangerine Dream CDs and that she
better get used to it. In trade I have to put up with the same
thing with her and shoe stores. :-p
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 5:40
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD and wives
> From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
>
> What another husband in trouble? :-)
> I wonder how many of us are in this boat. I would bet too many. In my case
> it's not so much the money, but rather the music. 'It annoys me.'
> Not just
> TD either, but electronic music in general. Ahh! I wasn't that crazy about
> her anyways.
My girlfriend likes it, although she wouldn't buy
a CD by herself.
She always ask if I can put up something from
RMI, Node, TD, RAMP or something in that area.
She's also a big Pink Floyd fan...
Strange thing is that my girlfriend before this
one (no...it's not that I had that many girlfriends
haha) was also like this...she liked it too.
And she didn't say that just because of me...no
she always asked if I could play some of that
spacey music. :-)
I'm not going into details about where we're flying
to then.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee
mengels@w...
From:
';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 6:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and wives
My ex had fairly good taste, although I can take credit for 'broadening'
her selection. For example, she did not like 'Convention of the 24', but
I think she counts 'Tigre' as one of her favorites. And she actually
asked for a copy of one JMJ album (Concerts in China) when we split.
--
I remain,
:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Frank Arellano wrote:
> I wonder how many of us are in this boat. I would bet too many. In my case
> it's not so much the money, but rather the music. 'It annoys me.'
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 6:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and wives
Count yourself lucky Marcel. I still think you're the exception though.
Maybe you better keep her :-) Let me know in a few years *after* you're
married :-). They're always so nice before you get married, trying to show
you what a great wife they would make by cooking for you your favorite food
and maybe even that special treat after that dinner 8-D Maybe I'm a little
cynical after being married to T-Rex for eleven years [Just kidding dear
!!!], but atleast I've kept my sense of humor 8-D, which she doesn't
appreciate either 8-D If you guys haven't heard from me in a while, you
might want to send somebody to check on me :-) You guys might also want to
change the header too, on future references to this subject :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marcel Engels'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD and wives
> > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
> >
> > What another husband in trouble? :-)
> > I wonder how many of us are in this boat. I would bet too many. In my
case
> > it's not so much the money, but rather the music. 'It annoys me.'
> > Not just
> > TD either, but electronic music in general. Ahh! I wasn't that crazy
about
> > her anyways.
>
> My girlfriend likes it, although she wouldn't buy
> a CD by herself.
> She always ask if I can put up something from
> RMI, Node, TD, RAMP or something in that area.
> She's also a big Pink Floyd fan...
> Strange thing is that my girlfriend before this
> one (no...it's not that I had that many girlfriends
> haha) was also like this...she liked it too.
> And she didn't say that just because of me...no
> she always asked if I could play some of that
> spacey music. :-)
> I'm not going into details about where we're flying
> to then.
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee
> mengels@w...
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 6:39
pm
Subject: GL tracklist
Hey,
Does anyone have the complete tracklist for the Ground Liftaz gig?
thanks,
glenn
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From:
jupe
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 7:13
pm
Subject: Aqua II CMC
Hi ,
yesterday , during the great concert of Jethro Tull in a near town ,
a friend sold me a unknown version of Aqua LP for 8$ , called AQUA II .
Is french box edition , and have the same LP of Aqua into a beutiful box
and a page in french with details (only 1000 copies ) .
see my web page , I scan a detail of the front and the info page .
http://pagina.de/tangerinedream
Please , more information about this item ?
regards and sorry for my poor english ,
Jupe
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 7:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar & beer
Armin said 'You see Klaus smoking on lots of photos and CD/LP covers
(most recently on 'Are you sequenced'). Guess they all smoked
at some stage. Hey, even did I. And I'm vegetarian too.'
When I saw Klaus Schulze and Rainer Bloss at Coventry Cathedral in 1983 they
had empty bottles of whisky and big cigars all over their room in the
Cathedral! They didn't stage ice. They had made plenty of their own.
And that was after the religious officiator had lctured us, the audience,
about not drinking alcohol in such a holy place.
That was a great gig. It took place during a thunder storm. The
lightening provided some of the lighting effects. At the end of one of the
pieces (forget which) there was a big thunder clap right on cue and the
audience cheered. That reminds me where did I put that fan tape? Time
to play it again.
David
np: David Bowie - I'm afraid of Americans (he is, I'm not)
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 8:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and wives
> end up in chaos and dispute.>
>
> What another husband in trouble? :-)
> I wonder how many of us are in this boat. I would bet too many. In my case
> it's not so much the money, but rather the music. 'It annoys me.' Not
just
> TD either, but electronic music in general. Ahh! I wasn't that crazy about
> her anyways.
My wife is actually quite fond of TD from Underwater Sunlight
on...especially the 'Rockoon' through 'Tyranny of Beauty' stuff. But, I
raised her well...we started dating when she was a mere 18 and I a world
travelled wise old post military 23...I broke her in with such stuff as King
Crimson's 'Starless and Bible Black', Van der Graaf's 'Pawn Hearts', Yes
'Tales from Topographic Oceans' and Pink Floyd's 'Ummagumma' which I used to
listen to whenever we were in the car. I gradually pulled her into the
world of TD, Klaus Schulze and Mike Oldfield. Well, she didn't really 'get'
most of this stuff, especially some of the Arthur Brown vocals on the KS
stuff...too far out I guess...hmmmm.
Anyway, she now really only listens to TD, Peter Gabriel, Mike Oldfield
('Ommadawn' or 'Songs from Distant Earth' gets her in the mood anytime...
;-)
The one thing that she knows is that on Saturday mornings when she is doing
her ritualistic Hitler impression and trying to force me to help her clean
the house, all she has to do is stroll over and turn off the tube, put on
some TD and crank it up. There is nothing like it to motivate me and she
knows it.
Craig
NP: Mike Oldfield-7/12/99 Paris
From:
Glenn Reinicke
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 8:32
pm
Subject: Fire sale
After doing some much needed pruning of the CD collection (and seeing the
neglect my classical and jazz CDs have gotten lately), I have decided to
sell off a bunch of CD's. Tangerine Dream, TD members, CDRboot, and other EM
discs are for sale. Free shipping in the US if you buy 3 or more.
Email me for a list.
Glenn Reinicke
glennr@f...
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 10:44
pm
Subject: RE: compilations
I used to have a 90 minute tape that I made up to 'introduce' people to TD.
I had no boots, only one solo album (Pinnacles) very few soundtracks, and a
limited subset of the studio albums.
titled 'TD sampler':
Side 1
1. Song of the Whale pt 1. (8:23)
2. Song of the Whale pt. 2. (10:52)
3. Roaring of the Bliss (5:00)
4. Melrose (5:44)
5. Too Hot for My Chinchilla (3:51)
6. Stratosfear (10:04)
Side 2
1. Streethawk (3:21)
2. Tyger (5:49)
3. White Clouds (5:03)
4. Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender (4:55)
5. Force Majeure (fade out around 13:00) (13:00)
5. Midnight in Tula (3:52)
6. House of the Rising Sun (3:43)
7. Loved by the Sun (5:57)
When I made the compilation I think Rockoon was latest album out.
These aren't all my favorites, and if I had to do it again now, I'd
definitely change a few tracks out.
For one thing, I'd add:
Pergammon pt 2
Dominion
No Man's Land
first part of Berlin side of Livemiles
Flashflood
Meng Tian
Cloudburst Flight
I'd probably take out
Tyger
Song of the Whale pt. 1 (great song but need the space!)
House of the Rising Sun
Roaring of the Bliss (good sequencer work for 90's stuff, but again I'd need
the space).
Force Majeur (supplanted by Cloudburst Flight)
I don't know if that would add up to the correct times or not.
Chances are I'd just burn a 2 or 3 CD set instead...
James
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From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 1:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 683
-----Original Message-----
From: tweibre361@a...
To: tadream@egroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 683
>In a message dated 10/31/00 02:00:03 Eastern Standard Time,
>tadream@egroups.com writes:
>
><< We're starving for good EM here in the US! I got to see Dweller at the
> Threshold in Philadelphia several weeks ago, but these kinds of
> opportunities are few and far between. >>
>
>...you may want to come up to NYC more often...
>
>tom w
>
>np: jega - geometry
>
Tell me Tom...what EM am I missing in the Big Apple?
Vince
From:
'cyberpromoter cyberpromoter cyberpromoter'
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Tangerine Nightmare tribute to Tangerine Dream
Hello :
Today Thalassa's song 'Tangerine Nightmare' (tribute
to Tangerine Dream) is #2 at Electronica charts at
Mp3.com.
You can check it at :
htp://www.mp3.com/thalassa
I hope you like it.
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Crea o sube tu web personal en http://espacio.ya.com
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 6:07
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Edgar & beer
> From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...]
>
> what the heck is that Phaedra video????????????
Exactly...
I've been on the list (and the former one) for quite
some time and nobody ever mentioned a Phaedra video
and suddenly quite a few people have that???
I remember (incl. me) a few people asking if there
is any video material from the 70s and apart from the
Coventry concert nobody ever mentioned this one.
What it is and how is it and how long is it etc etc etc.
Marcel
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 7:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] GL tracklist
Glenn Folkvord wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Does anyone have the complete tracklist for the Ground Liftaz gig?
Conrad has made one, i will ask him off-list if he can give me the
tracklist.
I remember it started with 'The spirit of the Czar' (=seven first minutes of
the 'Poland' title track), then followed by 'Maedchen on the stairs', then
maybe 'Meng tian' and 'Diamonds and dust', 'Stereolight' and 'Astrophobia'.
Midway through the concert he also played 'Catwalk' which was quite
identical to the album version, only that the drums sounded more powerful.
Heiko
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 7:27
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] GL tracklist
Hey,
>Conrad has made one, i will ask him off-list if he can give me the
>tracklist.
Thanks, that would be great
glenn
From:
'Nick Adams'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 9:49
am
Subject: Re: Video's
> I remember (incl. me) a few people asking if there
> is any video material from the 70s and apart from the
> Coventry concert nobody ever mentioned this one.
> What it is and how is it and how long is it etc etc etc.
>
> Marcel
And how would one go about getting the Coventry video ??
Nick
NP Nova / Best of
Home Nick.Adams@e...
Work Nick.Adams@p...
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From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 10:13
am
Subject: Re : [tadream] Aqua II CMC
To (roughly) quote 'Dream Collector' issue 27:
Special box set edition, to promote the release of the CMC 440, a
multiterminal system. It has the same tracks as 'Aqua'. The record comes
in a cardboard fold out box with an insert and an additional 8 page booklet
featuring the CMC 400. Light blue labels. Virgin/Polydor CMC 2812022.
1000 copies only. Most of the sets were probably handed out to
non-collectors for promotional purposes, making it potentially one of the
rarest items in the collectors community. The first copies to fall into
collector's hands didn't appear until 1998, 14 years after its release, in
France.
You got a bargain there, Jupe!
I can help to translate the text from French to English if you like...and
thanks for the scan, first time most of us have seen this, and even then
only in black and white!
Paul
----------
>De : jupe
>Ŕ : goblinsclub@e..., tadream@egroups.com, tangerinedream@egroups.com
>Objet : [tadream] Aqua II CMC
>Date : Mar 31 oct 2000 20:13
>
> Hi ,
>
> yesterday , during the great concert of Jethro Tull in a near town ,
> a friend sold me a unknown version of Aqua LP for 8$ , called AQUA II .
> Is french box edition , and have the same LP of Aqua into a beutiful box
> and a page in french with details (only 1000 copies ) .
>
> see my web page , I scan a detail of the front and the info page .
>
> http://pagina.de/tangerinedream
>
> Please , more information about this item ?
>
>
> regards and sorry for my poor english ,
>
> Jupe
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
joe@t...
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 11:27
am
Subject: t7LfT - tracklist
I'm listening to 'the 7 Letters from Tibet' for the first time.
- Hmmm... Well, interesting... Different...
Enough of that. To the tracklist:
The back says:
01 The Red Blood Connection
02 The Orange Breath
03 The Golden Heart
04 The Green Land
05 The Blue Pearl
06 The Indigo Clouds
07 The Purple of all Curtains
The inner sleve says:
01 The Red Blood Connection
02 The Orange Breath
03 The Sun and the Golden Heart
04 The Green Land
05 The Long Distance Blue
06 The Indigo Clouds
07 The Purple of the last Curtain
NOTE the difference on 03, 05, 07
Have we had any comments on this from TD/TDI?
Nooo... Didn't think so...
If you want to be known for your typos you have to work really hard
on it! ;-)
Have this already been up for discussion?
Have we, the list, come to any conclusion to what to call the tracks?
One more thing:
Nowhere on t7LfT (or any other resent releases) does it say that it
was actually released in the year 2000.
This will all be a total mess for future fans/collectors in, let's
say 50 years from now:
'I'm sure it was released in 1998 since it is actually produced by
Edagar'
'No, it was definitely released in 2002 as they have started to use
the Nemesis MegaSampler'
Well, well...
Have anyone, with his life in order and i full control of it, listed
the release dates (not only year) of the entire TDI catalogue?
Anyway:
It's a beautiful day (U2)
=) Johan, Stockholm, Sweden
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From:
'Yensen, Stephen'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 2:21
pm
Subject: Re: TD and wives
Penny will only listen to Tyger. Everything else is just noise ...
She does come to TD concerts with me though - as long as I am paying ;)
Cheers,
Steve in Nottingham, UK
- --
No duck-billed platypuses were harmed in the production and transmission of
this e-mail ...
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 2:59
pm
Subject: FW: [tadream] New file uploaded to tadream
FYI: James uploaded his tape tree info:
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 3:18
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar
That's funny. You know, outside of a few things, I really know virtually
nothing about his personal life:
* born in East Prussia 6 June, 1944
* has a wife, Monica and son, Jerome
* lives in Berlin
* studied under Dali, primarily in sculpture
* vegetarian
* musically influenced by Bach and ?
How did he grow up?
What does he do outside of work?
How did growing up in post-WW2 Berlin affect his political/social existence,
and how is that reflected in his life's work?
etc.
Is there any kind of biography available?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
...
> Heiko,
> I would have been tickled to death too if I would have gotten his
> autograph personally! And he still is 'THE MAN' too, imo :-)
> How would you
> like to have lived the life he has lived, huh? :-)
>
>
>
From:
jupe
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 3:23
pm
Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Aqua II CMC
Thanks for the info !!!!!!!!
Regards ,
Jupe
http://pagina.de/tangerinedream
En/Na Paul Fellows ha escrit:
> To (roughly) quote 'Dream Collector' issue 27:
>
> Special box set edition, to promote the release of the CMC 440, a
> multiterminal system. It has the same tracks as 'Aqua'. The record comes
> in a cardboard fold out box with an insert and an additional 8 page booklet
> featuring the CMC 400. Light blue labels. Virgin/Polydor CMC 2812022.
> 1000 copies only. Most of the sets were probably handed out to
> non-collectors for promotional purposes, making it potentially one of the
> rarest items in the collectors community. The first copies to fall into
> collector's hands didn't appear until 1998, 14 years after its release, in
> France.
>
> You got a bargain there, Jupe!
>
> I can help to translate the text from French to English if you like...and
> thanks for the scan, first time most of us have seen this, and even then
> only in black and white!
>
> Paul
>
> ----------
> >De : jupe
> >Ŕ : goblinsclub@e..., tadream@egroups.com, tangerinedream@egroups.com
> >Objet : [tadream] Aqua II CMC
> >Date : Mar 31 oct 2000 20:13
> >
>
> > Hi ,
> >
> > yesterday , during the great concert of Jethro Tull in a near town ,
> > a friend sold me a unknown version of Aqua LP for 8$ , called AQUA II .
> > Is french box edition , and have the same LP of Aqua into a beutiful box
> > and a page in french with details (only 1000 copies ) .
> >
> > see my web page , I scan a detail of the front and the info page .
> >
> > http://pagina.de/tangerinedream
> >
> > Please , more information about this item ?
> >
> >
> > regards and sorry for my poor english ,
> >
> > Jupe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> > Website: http://www.tadream.net
> >
> >
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From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 3:37
pm
Subject: A TD fan's wife speaks out
Hello,
I have been introduced to the wide variety of
instrumental music by accident rather then by choice.
Before I met my husband I had only heard some of the
music by Jean Michel Jarre and Kitaro. Even though
after a couple of years together now I have been
exposed to a variety of electronic sounds I still do
not try to remember artists or titles. I do not have
to. He knows it all and whenever, believe it or not, I
would like a particular piece of music to be played I
try to explain what I am after by humming. My husband
seems to know very well by now what I like. As far as
the new stuff is concerned he is a good judge of what
might be my cup of tea.
The music is being played in the house on a regular
basis. It can be a nice relaxing music to listen to in
the evening, sometimes, however, when I am in the
middle of a busy day, it is too relaxing and
monotonous and I have to ask my husband to either put
the headphones on or change what I refer to as
miaow-miaow music.
Something I have noticed when he was gone for a longer
period was that I was not only missing him but also
that electronic music he played and the atmosphere it
created in the house. He must have made me addicted to
it subconsciuosly.
My final message to all electronic music fans' wives
is: There could have been something much more annoying
to put up with. The thing I can think of as an example
is heavy metal, house or techno, or even loud
obnoxious football commentaries.
Joanna (Roger's wife)
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From:
'Thomas'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 4:28
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] t7LfT - tracklist
Johan, and everyone else who might be interested, here's the official
answer from TDI regarding this matter.
Martin K at TDI wrote:
------------------------------------------------------
The inner sleeve titles are wrong - this was a production error on the
first pressing. The alternative titles were actually old working titles for
the tracks - an older version of the inner sleeve was used by accident. It
has been corrected on the second pressing. We apologize for the confusion.
Best regards,
Martin K.
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
-----------------------------------------------------
Hope you find this useful,
Thomas Bertilsson
Helsingborg, Sweden
Original Message from joe@t... :
> I'm listening to 'the 7 Letters from Tibet' for the first time.
> - Hmmm... Well, interesting... Different...
>
> Enough of that. To the tracklist:
>
> The back says:
> 01 The Red Blood Connection
> 02 The Orange Breath
> 03 The Golden Heart
> 04 The Green Land
> 05 The Blue Pearl
> 06 The Indigo Clouds
> 07 The Purple of all Curtains
>
> The inner sleve says:
> 01 The Red Blood Connection
> 02 The Orange Breath
> 03 The Sun and the Golden Heart
> 04 The Green Land
> 05 The Long Distance Blue
> 06 The Indigo Clouds
> 07 The Purple of the last Curtain
>
> NOTE the difference on 03, 05, 07
>
> Have we had any comments on this from TD/TDI?
> Nooo... Didn't think so...
> If you want to be known for your typos you have to work really hard
> on it! ;-)
>
> Have this already been up for discussion?
> Have we, the list, come to any conclusion to what to call the tracks?
>
>
> One more thing:
> Nowhere on t7LfT (or any other resent releases) does it say that it
> was actually released in the year 2000.
> This will all be a total mess for future fans/collectors in, let's
> say 50 years from now:
> 'I'm sure it was released in 1998 since it is actually produced by
> Edagar'
> 'No, it was definitely released in 2002 as they have started to use
> the Nemesis MegaSampler'
>
> Well, well...
> Have anyone, with his life in order and i full control of it, listed
> the release dates (not only year) of the entire TDI catalogue?
>
>
> Anyway:
> It's a beautiful day (U2)
> =) Johan, Stockholm, Sweden
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 3:33
pm
Subject: Pheadra Video
> what the heck is that Phaedra video????????????
>
>Exactly...
>I've been on the list (and the former one) for quite
>some time and nobody ever mentioned a Phaedra video
>and suddenly quite a few people have that???
>I remember (incl. me) a few people asking if there
>is any video material from the 70s and apart from the
>Coventry concert nobody ever mentioned this one.
>What it is and how is it and how long is it etc etc etc
Hey Armin, Marcel, and whoever else asked.
Good to see you're still as hot-blooded collectors as
ever... and as feeble readers ;-) ;-)
I talked about the 'Phaedra' INTERVIEW video (was this big
enough ?) showing at least Edgar before he quit smoke and drink.
Again, I'm not too exact when I post from abroad on
business travel. The video footage I had in mind is
actually part of the 'Signale aus der Schwäbischen Straße'
documentary, ca. 30 mins. into the thing.
cheers,
klaus
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From:
'Thomas'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 4:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and wives
Well,
Michelle is not quite yet my wife, but my wife to be... and she likes
Tangerine Dream. I know that she finds it inspirational when she's cleaning
up the apartment... :)
I asked her to buy 'Antique Dreams' for me when she swung by one of the
many 'Barnes & Noble' bookstores up in the Minneapolis area. I had a hard
time making her let go of it... 'Seven Letters from Tibet' stroke high on
the scale too, and a few others.
Although she likes other more techno oriented groups like Underworld a lot
better, but not a bad 'substitute' she says.
Cheers,
Thomas Bertilsson
Helsingborg, Sweden
From:
'Nick Adams'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 5:06
pm
Subject: Re:Hi Joanne from Joyce (Nicks better half)
Hi Joanne ( Nick's better half)
Before i met Nick i had never heard of his music,i try to like it , because
it means so much to nick,but all i can say it sounds like is , head banging
music.Tell a lie , some of it i can cope with , but mostly it gives me a
headache.I do like Santana but in small doses.
Like you ,after being with Nick for donkeys years, well that is what it
feels like,his music hasn't captured my heart.
Like your husband , Nick knows it all ( well likes to think so) so all i
have to do is say 'Hey Nick do you know that one with this that the other,
and he puts it on for me.I do like the one's with water effect in.They can
relax me but that is about it.
I must say my music is not Nicks cuppa tea and Nick's music isn't mine
either, but we can't all be the same now can we.But i must say music or not
'I DO LOVE HIM' and the music comes with him.
I think the music Nick likes to play is to be played at certain times of the
day, not 9am in the morning (What i call head banging music,and Nick laughs
when i call his music head banging) .Nine times out of ten, Nick has his
head phones on, because it just sounds like 'BANG BANG BANG' to
me.........worse than a hangover..............
Nick was away recently for a week and it was pure Bliss, only because it was
ssssooooooooo quiet.No bang...bang.....bang.......But i did miss 'HIM'.When
he came back so did the bang......bang..........bang.........
So Joanna my final message to all electronic wives is...........If you love
them , then you put up with it.'Or try to'
So nice to hear from another wife, regarding our Hubbies music.
Nice talking to you Joanne.
Joyce........( Nicks better half)
Home Nick.Adams@e...
Work Nick.Adams@p...
ICQ 44174543
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 6:01
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Video's
> From: Nick Adams [mailto:Nick.adams@e...]
>
> And how would one go about getting the Coventry video ??
Well...I could copy it for you...if I had a 2nd vcr.
You don't happen to have that Phaedra interview video he? :-)
I could take my vcr to my dad or some friends if they
(and me) had the time though.
Marcel
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 5:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
> > With the limited audience for EM and the quantity of equipment required by
> > EM artists, I guess all these great UK/European EM artists can't cost
> > justify a trip to the US.
>
> Euh...shall I say it again? Okefenokee trip?
> No problem getting my equipment over.
Well Marcel, you forgot to mention the trip from the airport when I had
the convertible top down... :-))) That was kind of a 'Lid Liftaz'
experience ;-)
Vic
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 6:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Ground Liftaz
> From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...]
>
> > No problem getting my equipment over.
> Well Marcel, you forgot to mention the trip from the airport when I had
> the convertible top down... :-))) That was kind of a 'Lid Liftaz'
> experience ;-)
Haha okay...that was the only problem we
had with the equipment :-)
btw: did you ever get any reaction from TD(I)
about the Okefenokee trip?
Marcel
From:
'Nick Adams'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 6:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:Hi Joanne from Joyce (Nicks better half)
Shit, i let her near my computer and look what happens !
Women !
No Offence Dell & Marrion
Nick
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
>
> Hi Joanne ( Nick's better half)
>
> Before i met Nick i had never heard of his music,i try to like it ,
because
> it means so much to nick,but all i can say it sounds like is , head
banging
> music.Tell a lie , some of it i can cope with , but mostly it gives me a
> headache.I do like Santana but in small doses.
>
> Like you ,after being with Nick for donkeys years, well that is what it
> feels like,his music hasn't captured my heart.
> Like your husband , Nick knows it all ( well likes to think so) so all i
> have to do is say 'Hey Nick do you know that one with this that the other,
> and he puts it on for me.I do like the one's with water effect in.They can
> relax me but that is about it.
>
> I must say my music is not Nicks cuppa tea and Nick's music isn't mine
> either, but we can't all be the same now can we.But i must say music or
not
> 'I DO LOVE HIM' and the music comes with him.
>
> I think the music Nick likes to play is to be played at certain times of
the
> day, not 9am in the morning (What i call head banging music,and Nick
laughs
> when i call his music head banging) .Nine times out of ten, Nick has his
> head phones on, because it just sounds like 'BANG BANG BANG' to
> me.........worse than a hangover..............
>
> Nick was away recently for a week and it was pure Bliss, only because it
was
> ssssooooooooo quiet.No bang...bang.....bang.......But i did miss
'HIM'.When
> he came back so did the bang......bang..........bang.........
>
> So Joanna my final message to all electronic wives is...........If you
love
> them , then you put up with it.'Or try to'
>
> So nice to hear from another wife, regarding our Hubbies music.
>
> Nice talking to you Joanne.
>
> Joyce........( Nicks better half)
>
>
> Home Nick.Adams@e...
> Work Nick.Adams@p...
> ICQ 44174543
>
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
>
From:
tweibre361@a...
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 6:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 685
In a message dated 11/1/00 08:57:46 Eastern Standard Time,
tadream@egroups.com writes:
<< >...you may want to come up to NYC more often...
>
>tom w
>
>np: jega - geometry
>
Tell me Tom...what EM am I missing in the Big Apple?
>>
lets see....
twilight circus is playing tomorrow
we and badawi on friday
colcut played last night
crimso is coming in november
pole was here last week
thats off the top of my head...check the village voice webpage
tom w
np: laurent garnier - earlyworks
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 6:58
pm
Subject: A TD's wife speaks out
Hi Joanna and thanks for your commentary.
When I saw your header, 'A TD fan's wife speaks out' my first reaction was
'OH OH! I'm in trouble again.' :-) Nothing unusual there for me,
unfortunately :-)
You mention that EM at times is too relaxing and monotonous. A common
complaint I hear from my wife is that the high pitches annoy her and that
alot of my music I play is repetitive. Repetitive as far as the musical
notes being repeated.
Miaow- Miaow music ?? :-)
Please elaborate
Or me :-) My wife says I can be annoying. I imagine because she
doesn't have the disposition that I do to joke around . I'M MARRIED TO A
DRUDGE! :-) My God! Why me!? [Crying] Poor me, poor me [Just shedding
tears!], pour me another drink. :-) [I could *really* put on a show with
my antics with this! :-)]
No matter how unfortunate I may feel at times, I do *know* of atleast one
even less fortunate soul than me on this list. Not much of a conciliation,
but maybe I better count my blessings :-)
Yeah, I know... I'm a terrible person, that's what I tell my wife anyways.
Don't worry, I don't believe it for a minute :-)
Frank Arellano [You can point the finger towards Al Benson, TD's pal, he's
the one who directed me here :-)
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From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 6:53
pm
Subject: TD and Wives
I hate to say it but after 10 years of marriage I have failed to
convert Lorraine into a fan in fact she still hates virtually all
electronic music apart from Mark Shreeve Legion era,the only hint of
liking any TD was one christmas listening to Dream Mixes I can only
assume she was drunk at the time.
cheers Gary.
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 7:58
pm
Subject: Nicks Better Half
Joyce,
I got a laugh after reading your post :-) I thought it was cute :-) I'm
starting to feel better all..ready :-)
So you're the one who asked my friend 'WHAT'S THAT RACQUET PLAYING!' :-D
Is that like getting kicked in the head or teeth? :-D
You're complaining about Nick playing his music at nine in the morning!
Hell, I listen to my music round the clock, literally, when I'm home! [I
can't play music at the nuclear site, so I make up for it at home. I program
my CD player at night.] My wife has turned our spare bedroom into hers. So
if I want to sleep with her I have sleep in there! Without my music I might
add too :-)
Hey Nick, how does it feel to have spent a fortune on head banging music?
:-D BTW, what are you playing that could be worse than a hangover? :-)
I just shake my head.........
Frank
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 8:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and Wives
Oh! Now they're starting to come out of the woodworks! So maybe I'm not
alone after all :-D
Frank Arellano
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gary Jenkins'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:53 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD and Wives
> I hate to say it but after 10 years of marriage I have failed to
> convert Lorraine into a fan in fact she still hates virtually all
> electronic music apart from Mark Shreeve Legion era,the only hint of
> liking any TD was one christmas listening to Dream Mixes I can only
> assume she was drunk at the time.
> cheers Gary.
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 8:27
pm
Subject: Re: compilations
A good friend of mine asked me some years ago for some introduction
to TD, sort of a 'TD in a nutshell'. I made a 4 tape compilation
for him and wrote some text about it. I wrote that one in
html and it is still at
http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/td_stef.html
cheers
armin
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 8:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: compilations
> A good friend of mine asked me some years ago for some introduction
> to TD, sort of a 'TD in a nutshell'.
4 cassettes...musta been a coconut shell :-)
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From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 8:36
pm
Subject: Re: Pheadra Video
maybe some day in the not too distant future I will
see these videos. Just as some day my childhood dream
will come true and I travel the South Pacific by boat.
some day...
armin
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Klaus Beschorner wrote:
> Hey Armin, Marcel, and whoever else asked.
>
> Good to see you're still as hot-blooded collectors as
> ever... and as feeble readers ;-) ;-)
>
> I talked about the 'Phaedra' INTERVIEW video (was this big
> enough ?) showing at least Edgar before he quit smoke and drink.
>
> Again, I'm not too exact when I post from abroad on
> business travel. The video footage I had in mind is
> actually part of the 'Signale aus der Schwäbischen Straße'
> documentary, ca. 30 mins. into the thing.
>
> cheers,
> klaus
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 8:41
pm
Subject: Re: TD and Wives
My ex-girlfriend (I'm single [and this is the wrong mailing
list to change that]) liked TD fair enough. She wasn't a fan,
but could live with most of it. But when there was 'Nebulous
Dawn', geez, that freaked her out.
She did join me three years ago for TD's concert in Bonn.
She complained that it was a) too loud, b) too much bass,
and c) the light show blinding her all the time was annoying.
But I have to agree with her. The sound in Bonn was terrible.
Glasgow was better.
a.
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From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 8:42
pm
Subject: Re: compilations
He listened to them while observing for a couple of nights at
an observatory in South Africa. He had loads of time.
a.
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Craig Chambers'
wrote:
> > A good friend of mine asked me some years ago for some
introduction
> > to TD, sort of a 'TD in a nutshell'.
>
> 4 cassettes...musta been a coconut shell :-)
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 9:05
pm
Subject: Read the description, yuck!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=480434418>
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From:
'Nick Adams'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 9:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nicks Better Half
Frank said
> Hey Nick, how does it feel to have spent a fortune on head banging music?
Bloody great !..................i just wish i had more money.
> :-D BTW, what are you playing that could be worse than a hangover? :-)
In Joyce's Opinion, just about anything and everything :-(
Nick
NP Mind over Matter / Palace of the Winds (in my headphones, no wonder i'm
nearly deaf !)
Home Nick.Adams@e...
Work Nick.Adams@p...
ICQ 44174543
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 9:31
pm
Subject: Coventry & Pheadra videos
I think I have put this out there a few times but I'll give it another bash.
Can anyone furnish me with PAL copies of either the Coventry vid, the
Pheadra vid or indeed both. Willing to do whatever it takes.
Phil.
Please mail offlist if the deal involves anything the list moderator(s) may
consider undesirable.
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 9:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar
* born in East Prussia 6 June, 1944.
Does that correspond with Tilsit, (Former) West Germany? As that is where I
heard he was born.
* vegetarian
Good on him.
From:
'Thomas'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 9:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Read the description, yuck!
Yes, and some really desperate fan obviously bid on it... there are some
weird people out there :)
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=480434418>
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 10:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic
Shame on you, Frank, for posting that off topic post on this mailing
list......And thank you so very much. After the day I had today, all I
wanted to do was relax and catch up a little bit with my e-mails. I learned
a few more things about the greatest band in the world, and got a chuckle
to boot.
Again, my many thanks....(but maybe you shouldn't do it again?)
Neal
> [Original Message]
> From: Frank Arellano
> To: ;
> Date: 10/31/00 6:44:46 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Off Topic
>
>
> Even If you're not a sports fan you gotta like these quotes.
>
> Boxing promoter Dan Duva on Mike Tyson hooking up again with promoter Don
> King:
> 'Why would you expect him to come out smarter? He went to prison for three
> years, not Princeton.'
>
> Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player:
> 'I told him,'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?
> He said, 'Coach, I don't know and I don't care.'
>
> Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M,
> recounting what he told a player who received four F's and one D:
> 'Son, it looks to me like you're spending too much time on one subject.'
>
>
>
> Just thought that you all would enjoy these :-D
> I know........I'm guilty of invading the sanctity of beyond_em again :-)
>
>
> Frank Arellano
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
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>
>
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 10:30
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] A TD fan's wife speaks out
There could have been something much more annoying
> to put up with. The thing I can think of as an example
> is loud obnoxious football commentaries.
YES YES at last.... go Joanna!!!! Tell those football-nerds.... =)
Jan
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 10:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and wives
Last Christmas my wife asked me for 'the list.' The list refers to the ever
present although changing and growing list of CDs that I am currently
wanting to add to my collection. A TD title or 2 are usually at the top of
the list. Well, as expected, she did purchase for me one of the CDs that
was on the list.........along with a brand new clean and shiny set of
headphones in the same box........
Need I say more.......LOL
Neal
> [Original Message]
> From: Frank Arellano
> To:
> Date: 10/31/00 1:44:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and wives
>
> Count yourself lucky Marcel. I still think you're the exception though.
> Maybe you better keep her :-) Let me know in a few years *after* you're
> married :-). They're always so nice before you get married, trying to
show
> you what a great wife they would make by cooking for you your favorite
food
> and maybe even that special treat after that dinner 8-D Maybe I'm a
little
> cynical after being married to T-Rex for eleven years [Just kidding dear
> !!!], but atleast I've kept my sense of humor 8-D, which she doesn't
> appreciate either 8-D If you guys haven't heard from me in a while, you
> might want to send somebody to check on me :-) You guys might also want to
> change the header too, on future references to this subject :-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Marcel Engels'
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:40 AM
> Subject: RE: [tadream] TD and wives
>
>
> > > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
> > >
> > > What another husband in trouble? :-)
> > > I wonder how many of us are in this boat. I would bet too many. In my
> case
> > > it's not so much the money, but rather the music. 'It annoys me.'
> > > Not just
> > > TD either, but electronic music in general. Ahh! I wasn't that crazy
> about
> > > her anyways.
> >
> > My girlfriend likes it, although she wouldn't buy
> > a CD by herself.
> > She always ask if I can put up something from
> > RMI, Node, TD, RAMP or something in that area.
> > She's also a big Pink Floyd fan...
> > Strange thing is that my girlfriend before this
> > one (no...it's not that I had that many girlfriends
> > haha) was also like this...she liked it too.
> > And she didn't say that just because of me...no
> > she always asked if I could play some of that
> > spacey music. :-)
> > I'm not going into details about where we're flying
> > to then.
> >
> > Marcel
> > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee
> > mengels@w...
> >
> >
> >
> > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> > Website: http://www.tadream.net
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and wives
Now, where do I join a Mike Oldfield mailing list so I can trade for His
fan tapes? I never even thought that he might HAVE fan tapes.
Neal
> Craig
> NP: Mike Oldfield-7/12/99 Paris
>
>
>
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 10:57
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] t7LfT - tracklist
I am sorry for asking this question so late after release, however, my
question on the subject of Seven Letters is this: the third track on Quinoa
extended is described as '....the first movement from the 'Tibetian Cycle'
by TD. This cycle contains six other movements which are unreleased so
far.' Um...is Seven Letters supposed to be the entire 'Cycle'? The track
time for Lhasa is considerably longer that 'the first movement' of the
Seven Letters CD. And to my partially damaged, old, tired and worn-out ears
the music does not match anything on Seven Letters.
I have never been described as the sharpest knife in the drawer so please
teach me if I am missing something.
Thanks, Neal
> [Original Message]
> From:
> To:
> Date: 11/1/00 6:27:07 AM
> Subject: [tadream] t7LfT - tracklist
>
> I'm listening to 'the 7 Letters from Tibet' for the first time.
> - Hmmm... Well, interesting... Different...
>
> Enough of that. To the tracklist:
>
> The back says:
> 01 The Red Blood Connection
> 02 The Orange Breath
> 03 The Golden Heart
> 04 The Green Land
> 05 The Blue Pearl
> 06 The Indigo Clouds
> 07 The Purple of all Curtains
>
> The inner sleve says:
> 01 The Red Blood Connection
> 02 The Orange Breath
> 03 The Sun and the Golden Heart
> 04 The Green Land
> 05 The Long Distance Blue
> 06 The Indigo Clouds
> 07 The Purple of the last Curtain
>
> NOTE the difference on 03, 05, 07
>
> Have we had any comments on this from TD/TDI?
> Nooo... Didn't think so...
> If you want to be known for your typos you have to work really hard
> on it! ;-)
>
> Have this already been up for discussion?
> Have we, the list, come to any conclusion to what to call the tracks?
>
>
> One more thing:
> Nowhere on t7LfT (or any other resent releases) does it say that it
> was actually released in the year 2000.
> This will all be a total mess for future fans/collectors in, let's
> say 50 years from now:
> 'I'm sure it was released in 1998 since it is actually produced by
> Edagar'
> 'No, it was definitely released in 2002 as they have started to use
> the Nemesis MegaSampler'
>
> Well, well...
> Have anyone, with his life in order and i full control of it, listed
> the release dates (not only year) of the entire TDI catalogue?
>
>
> Anyway:
> It's a beautiful day (U2)
> =) Johan, Stockholm, Sweden
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 11:02
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar
Before the advent of the original Fan club, I wrote to TD and asked for
biography information. I received a standardized letter that told me all I
needed to learn about the group could be learned by listening to the music
they make.....
A polite way of saying......'STOP F**KING BOTHERING US AND JUST BUY THE
DAMN ALBUMS'...?
(Things that make you go hhmmmmmm...?)
Neal
> Is there any kind of biography available?
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...]
> ...
> > Heiko,
> > I would have been tickled to death too if I would have gotten his
> > autograph personally! And he still is 'THE MAN' too, imo :-)
> > How would you
> > like to have lived the life he has lived, huh? :-)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
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From:
'Carl Kearney'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 11:32
pm
Subject: Another Wife to the fore !!!!
Well if he finds out I have used his computer he will kill me , If he finds
out I listen to his TD collection he will go ballistic .
I have seen TD several times with Carl and have always enjoyed there music ,
it makes a change from the usual Trance and Dance stuff he brings home from
work .
Just thought I would let the wives out there know they are not alone .
Now playing :- Arcane - Future Wreck .
Regards to all Jacqui K . TD widow .
' This ain't Rock & Roll this is Suicide '
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 11:42
pm
Subject: TD fan's wife
Hi, I am April, Neals wife. He assured me you guys wouldn't chastise me
for my humble opinions. :)
I cant say that I am undecided about my feelings for TD and their 'music'.
I don't have certain pieces in my head that I know I like and am only
interested in hearing those. I don't even have a scale in which I judge
them, calling them good or bad, from 1-10. My scale goes a little like 'On
a scale of 1-10, this is a 4, meaning it aggravates me a little bit less
than the one we heard before this one.'
10= I HATE IT, TURN IT OFF!
.
.
.
.
1= I can tolerate it, but not for long...ok thats long enough
In its own right, the music just drives me crazy but I think its more about
the collecting that really makes me nuts. I mean come on...IT NEVER
ENDS!!! I don't think I will ever understand why on God's green earth ANY
person would need 14 versions of the same song!!?!
Please don't think that I haven't given TD a fair shot because I have heard
my fair share...enough for a lifetime. I am not speaking without having
actually experienced LOTS of TD. I just simply don't care for it.
Although,Rumpelstiltskin is a solid 1! Its the closest thing to real music
to me, and hardly aggravates me at all. :)
Anyway, greetings and happy collecting to you all. Forgive me for my
blasphemy...;)
April
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 11:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Read the description, yuck!
At least the stains are light. :-)
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 1:42
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] A TD fan's wife speaks out
Joanna,
>My final message to all electronic music fans' wives
>is: There could have been something much more annoying
>to put up with. The thing I can think of as an example
>is heavy metal, house or techno, or even loud
>obnoxious football commentaries.
Very good point! I will tell this to my future wife! :-)))
Glenn
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
www.egroups.com/group/pspusers
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 1:51
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] TD fan's wife
April,
>In its own right, the music just drives me crazy but I think its more about
>the collecting that really makes me nuts. I mean come on...IT NEVER
>ENDS!!! I don't think I will ever understand why on God's green earth ANY
>person would need 14 versions of the same song!!?!
Its not strange you dont understand it, because collectors dont understand
it! :-) Collecting must be a male thing though, I see very few women at
collector's fairs and half of those who go there are just tagging along
their boyfriends....... :-)
glenn
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 1:36
pm
Subject: Album ID
Hey,
Welcome to TD Album Quizz!!
Again I need to ID one of my old tapes that only says 'Tangerine Dream'. Its
the album where a woman speaks in Russian on the first track, which is over
9 minutes long.
glenn
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 2:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Album ID
Glenn Folkvord wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Welcome to TD Album Quizz!!
Candidate 1: Heiko
Prize: 50 records of my choice for free!!!!!!!!!1
> Again I need to ID one of my old tapes that only says 'Tangerine Dream'. Its
> the album where a woman speaks in Russian on the first track, which is over
> 9 minutes long.
Album: EXIT (1981)
Title of track: 'Kiev mission'
Regards,
Quiz Wizard
From:
Jens Kilian
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 2:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 684
> From: Klaus Beschorner
> Subject: Grand Canyon & Canyon Dreams
>
>
> Oh, maybe that's of interest:
> I took a colleague and a customer to the Grand Canyon two weeks
> ago. We stayed for two days along the south rim, and visited about
> every souvenir shop on the way ;-)
> Loads of different videos available, many with music, but no,
> zero, zilch 'Canyon Deams' in the video or CD bins.
Not my experience. I found a PAL version(!) of the Canyon Dreams video
in one of the cafeteria shops inside the National Park. I don't remember
which one exactly, as this was 4+ years ago.
Bye,
Jens.
--
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 3:09
pm
Subject: AQUA II a good example of THE KEEP's elusiveness
>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:13:56 +0100
>Subject: Re : [tadream] Aqua II CMC
>From: tadream@egroups.com
>Really-From: 'Paul Fellows'
>To (roughly) quote 'Dream Collector' issue 27: [. . .]
>1000 copies only. Most of the sets were probably handed out to
>non-collectors for promotional purposes, making it potentially one of
>the rarest items in the collectors community. The first copies to
>fall into collector's hands didn't appear until 1998, 14 years after
>its release, in France.
Sounds like roughly the situation with the 1984 KEEP LP: there were
only 300 copies, most of them were probably bought by non-collectors,
and even 14 years after its release, none have fallen into collector's
hands. D'oh! ;)
-- Steven Feldman -- webmaster
of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 3:26
pm
Subject: Re: Polite Request
Dear All,
Not wishing to offend anyone ( I am married too by the way ) but could
we now draw to a rapid close the threads on 'wives who do/do not' like
or dislike TD?
Of course ANY female who has her own valid opinion on anything TD related
I will read with interest whether she is or is not a WIFE.
God I am sounding like a true feminist now and I'm usually accused of being
the
exact opposite !
Best wishes and no flame intended.... Phil
NP. Epsilon In Malaysian Pale :o)
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 3:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and Wives
> I hate to say it but after 10 years of marriage I have failed to
> convert Lorraine into a fan in fact she still hates virtually all
> electronic music...
i'm in the same boat... sometimes, the more melodic (and less electronic)
sounding pieces will be okay... but she digs Rush, so it isn't so bad... =)
she digs acoustic music, and since singing is her livelihood, i understand...
j.gordon
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 4:05
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar
Yes, Tilsit is now known as Sovetsk, Russia.
Sovetsk, formerly (UNTIL 1946) TILSIT, river port, Kaliningrad oblast
(province), western Russia, on the Neman River. The city was founded by the
Teutonic Knights in 1288 and was the site of the treaty negotiated between
Napoleon and Tsar Alexander I in 1807. Until 1945 the city belonged to
Prussia. Today it has wood and food industries and teacher-training and
handicraft schools. Pop. (1991 est.) 42,300. (source: britannica.com)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Wingfield [mailto:brainhurtz@c...]
...
> * born in East Prussia 6 June, 1944.
> Does that correspond with Tilsit, (Former) West Germany? As
> that is where I heard he was born.
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 4:31
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: compilations
nice page, Armin. good info.
I didn't know that Ohr dosed musicians without their knowledge! (can
something be funny and reprehensible at the same time??)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...]
...
> for him and wrote some text about it. I wrote that one in
> html and it is still at
> http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/td_stef.html
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 4:26
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Polite Request
Hey Phil-
sorry if this is a boring thread to you. It is not as interesting to me
this time, as the first 3 or 4 times it has come up over the last 6 or so
years! ;-) But threads do rise up from the dead every so often; it is to be
expected on mailing lists, as new people come in.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil White [mailto:phil_white@c...]
...
> we now draw to a rapid close the threads on 'wives who do/do not' like
...
> Best wishes and no flame intended.... Phil
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 4:43
pm
Subject: RE:Berlin event
Maybe a bit late but still want to say thanks to Heiko for the interesting
review of the event in Berlin.
Cannot help wondering how big a following TD has these days anyway. I know
it wasn't an ordinary gig but your report makes me curious anyway.
I remember that they had at least one album on the British TOP 20 chart in
the 70s but how is it today? Any ideas?
If they should play in Germany, Britain, USA how big an audience would show
up?
Sweden isn't worth mentioning I guess, they've never been here and
unfortunately I doubt that there are fans enough to make it worthwhile. But
then again Schulze managed to attract a nice little crowd when he played the
famous Glädjehuset in Stockholm back in the early eighties.
Also want to say a collective thanks to all You who answer my questions
here on the list, recommend good music and make funny little comments in
Scandinavian etc. All of it is appreciated; I have a great backlog on
Tadream digests but eventually read them all.
/Olle
np: Baffo Banfi- The sound of southern sunsets
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 5:02
pm
Subject: TD - sampling
Hello all
Just found an old tape containing a Technotrack with a sample from TD.
To be exact the intro-speech from Poland. Does anyone know of any other
tracks that features samples from TD??????
If anyone knows the title and artist for the track I am speaking of,
please let me know of-list
Thanks in advance
Jan
mailto:pergamon@g...
http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon/
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 6:33
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...]
>
> Yes, Tilsit is now known as Sovetsk, Russia.
>
> Sovetsk, formerly (UNTIL 1946) TILSIT, river port, Kaliningrad oblast
> (province), western Russia, on the Neman River. The city was
> founded by the
> Teutonic Knights in 1288 and was the site of the treaty negotiated between
> Napoleon and Tsar Alexander I in 1807. Until 1945 the city belonged to
> Prussia. Today it has wood and food industries and teacher-training and
> handicraft schools. Pop. (1991 est.) 42,300. (source: britannica.com)
You know...you probably know more about Tilsit
then Edgar self...:-)
I was born in IJmuiden but I do not know how many
people live there or when it was founded.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
http://home.wanadoo.nl/okefenokee
mengels@w...
From:
'Glynn Naughton'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 7:20
pm
Subject: Who cares whether girls like TD?
Hello there,
One thing that puzzles me whenever this 'TD and girls' thread comes
up. Why is it so important to have a girlfriend/wife who likes TD? My
girlfriend at the time of the '97 UK tour knew about TD and was
interested enough to come along to the London show with me, but in
the subsequent 18 months or so that I was seeing her I doubt very
much whether the subject was ever mentioned again. And why should it
be?
Seriously, are there chaps on this list who think it would be great
to have a girl to talk to about Edgar Froese? The phrase 'need to get
out of the house more' (or, indeed, 'sad bastard') springs inexorably
to mind ;-)
Glynn
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 7:36
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD?
On Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:20 PM, Glynn Naughton
[SMTP:glynnn@o...] wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> One thing that puzzles me whenever this 'TD and girls' thread comes
> up. Why is it so important to have a girlfriend/wife who likes TD?
When you live in the same house, drive in the same car it is nice to
be able to listen to the same music (until you have kids anyway)
Plus when you spend a good chunk of your disposable income on
your collect it helps if she at least understands (on some level)
your love of the music. How would you feel if your wife spent all
her extra money on collecting [insert a type of music/band you hate]
and spent hours each week tracking down obscure releases, mailing CDs
all over the globe. Maybe this only applies to a few of us, but obtaining
a complete collection takes alot of time,money and effort. My wife tollerates
my collection which is about as good as I can expect it to get as she is
not into music in general.
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From:
horrod6
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 7:18
pm
Subject: Re: TD and partners
Well, this one seems to have struck a raw nerve! And it has been interesting
hearing the non-TD fan female point of
view. Anyways, I thought I'd contribute my two penn'orth from a different side
of the fence. (Quick,before Dave sends
in a despatch!)
Dave (my husband) is known to some of my TD pals as 'the ex-country and western
fan'. (He's only just found that out,
which is why he's threatening to send in his own contribution - oops, major
tactical error, especially as he's cooking
the tea!) Yup, that's what his musical taste was like before I got my hands on
him. Unlike lucky Craig, I didn't have
a malleable 18-year old to work on either - he was in his early 40's when we
first got together. But I managed to
convert him quite quickly - it's amazing what a combination of Phaedra, sex and
drugs will achieve! He used to say
that he could still hear the music playing in his head on his way home from my
place, buried in the engine noises of
the 'bus.
He's never been as much of a fan as I am, although he's actually seen TD live
more often than me. He's not likely to
go out and buy an album, unless it's as a gift for me. And if he puts something
on the stereo it's usually techno, not
TD. But if I'm playing it he will enjoy it. He's also learned to like JMJ,
Vangelis et al (he actually liked Mike
Oldfield before he knew me, and discovered Tomita before I did). Pretty
open-minded for a man pushing 60. But he can't
stand the Aphex Twin - even in the next room! (He's just read this over my
shoulder, and he says 'whatever _he's_ on,
I don't want any'.)
I think the thing a lot of wives (more so than girlfriends probably) object to
is, as April said, the collecting. It's
an obsession with some of you guys. (An obsessive, b.t.w., is someone with more
TD material than the person calling
them obsessed. ) I think I would be the same, even though I'm a big fan.
If Dave suddenly got the 'bug' and
started trying to track down every different copy of the same album just so he
had a complete set of the cover art, or
wouldn't let me play something because he wanted to keep it in mint condition,
I'd be peed off too. I mean, what's the
point of spending all that dosh on music you're not going to listen to? Much
better to spend it on a better set of
headphones! And I'm not going to base my choice of holiday destination around
the probability of picking up some new
rarity. (Although I _have_ based it around the opportunity of meeting some TD
pals. Swampfest 2001 - need I say
more?.)
LnH
Marion
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From:
horrod6
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 8:17
pm
Subject: Re: TD and partners
Well, this one seems to have struck a raw nerve! And it has been
interesting hearing the non-TD fan female point of
view. Anyways, I thought I'd contribute my two penn'orth from a
different side of the fence. (Quick,before Dave sends
in a despatch!)
Dave (my husband) is known to some of my TD pals as 'the ex-country and
western fan'. (He's only just found that out,
which is why he's threatening to send in his own contribution - oops,
major tactical error, especially as he's cooking
the tea!) Yup, that's what his musical taste was like before I got my
hands on him. Unlike lucky Craig, I didn't have
a malleable 18-year old to work on either - he was in his early 40's
when we first got together. But I managed to
convert him quite quickly - it's amazing what a combination of Phaedra,
sex and drugs will achieve! He used to say
that he could still hear the music playing in his head on his way home
from my place, buried in the engine noises of
the 'bus.
He's never been as much of a fan as I am, although he's actually seen TD
live more often than me. He's not likely to
go out and buy an album, unless it's as a gift for me. And if he puts
something on the stereo it's usually techno, not
TD. But if I'm playing it he will enjoy it. He's also learned to like
JMJ, Vangelis et al (he actually liked Mike
Oldfield before he knew me, and discovered Tomita before I did). Pretty
open-minded for a man pushing 60. But he can't
stand the Aphex Twin - even in the next room! (He's just read this over
my shoulder, and he says 'whatever _he's_ on,
I don't want any'.)
I think the thing a lot of wives (more so than girlfriends probably)
object to is, as April said, the collecting. It's
an obsession with some of you guys. (An obsessive, b.t.w., is someone
with more TD material than the person calling
them obsessed. ) I think I would be the same, even though I'm a
big fan. If Dave suddenly got the 'bug' and
started trying to track down every different copy of the same album just
so he had a complete set of the cover art, or
wouldn't let me play something because he wanted to keep it in mint
condition, I'd be peed off too. I mean, what's the
point of spending all that dosh on music you're not going to listen to?
Much better to spend it on a better set of
headphones! And I'm not going to base my choice of holiday destination
around the probability of picking up some new
rarity. (Although I _have_ based it around the opportunity of meeting
some TD pals. Swampfest 2001 - need I say
more?.)
LnH
Marion
From:
horrod6
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 8:17
pm
Subject: Re: TD & partners
Hi, I'm Dave, the other half.
Yes, I am a TD fan. I've also got many eclectic tastes in music.
Throughout my
life, I've preferred to have a wide bandspread of experiences, rather
than limit
myself. Why give my partner a hard time over her fascination with TD -
this is
her right, just as it's mine to listen to Country and Western music!
That's all for now, but be sure I will contribute more later ('She' is
watching
over my shoulder right now).
Dave (Marmoset)
From:
horrod6
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 8:17
pm
Subject: D: [Studio] Great Wall of China
I listened to the album today while I was pottering around doing
housework,
dashing back to my pad and pen whenever a comment came to mind about a
particular track. But for many of the tracks, what came to mind
was....nothing.
Nothing bad, but nothing good either. Just bland.
On the whole, I don't think this is one of the modern 'greats'. There's
too
little variation of mood - too many tracks are slow and elegaic for my
taste.
And the choral 'I-you' sound (possibly written as 'aeiou'- an old Cathar
chorus,
I believe) is horrendously over-used.
The tracks where I did have something to say are:
1) Meng Tian: probably the liveliest track on the album. With a heavy
beat,
superimposed 'gamelan' riffs and plenty of dynamic variation, this is
very
dance-able. But the mangled voice samples are a bit of a turnoff, except
at the
end, where they wind the track down pleasantly (JMJ got there first on
his
'China' album - but who's counting?)
3) The south gate knights: this has a good punchy 'galloping' rhythm.
The
underlying tune is very reminiscent of earlier material (which,if you
read my
Mars Polaris review you'll know I think is a Good Thing). But there's
this
high-pitched whine which I find annoying- it doesn't (IMO) add anything
to the
music. The only point to it I can think of is if it's meant to add
something to
a 'sound picture', but what seagulls have to do with anything I cannot
imagine,
and seagulls is the only image that comes to mind.
4) Silence the barking monk: what's that about then? - has to be one of
their
weirder titles! The temple gongs at the start are interesting, but it
all
sounds a bit messy to me, until it metamorphoses (around 3:40) into
something
deep, threatening and mysterious.
5) Zhu Zhanji: there are so many sound quotes in this that there's no
time to
listen to the music - you're too busy going 'isn't that from Tyger?' or
whatever. You can have too much of a Good Thing (see above). I even
spotted a
reference to Yello's 'The Race' in there.
7) No more candles burning: yuck! Sounds like the kind of cheesy 'slowy'
that
used to get played at the end of 70's discos - you know, where you lurch
around
the floor in a clinch, too drunk / tired / infatuated / whatever to
stand up
without leaning on your partner. (I think that gives away far too much
about me
to the acute observer.....)
10) Cradle of prodigies: weird vocals, a lovely rumbling sequence, great
beat
and percussion - that's better.
11) Tiger forest: what a waste of something that could have been great.
A
lovely, simple little tune, interesting percussion, starts to build up
into a
good track... and then it just stops. Damn! This is a classic example
of my
oft-reiterated comment w.r.t. recent material - there are great ideas
here that
deserve more development. Or is it true that the average human attention
span is
getting shorter, and TD have changed their musical style to suit that?
Anyway, enough of this rambling. Dave wants the computer - can't think
why!
LnH
Marion
From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 8:25
pm
Subject: Re: Who cares whether girls like TD?
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Glynn Naughton' wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> One thing that puzzles me whenever this 'TD and girls' thread comes
> up. Why is it so important to have a girlfriend/wife who likes TD?
>
> So I don't have to keep listening through my headphones.
>
>
>
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 8:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD?
dude.... if your wife tolerates YOUR collection, she must be the most
patient woman around! ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:36 PM
> To: 'tadream@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD?
>
>
> On Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:20 PM, Glynn Naughton
> [SMTP:glynnn@o...] wrote:
> > Hello there,
> >
> > One thing that puzzles me whenever this 'TD and girls' thread comes
> > up. Why is it so important to have a girlfriend/wife who likes TD?
>
> When you live in the same house, drive in the same car it is nice to
> be able to listen to the same music (until you have kids anyway)
> Plus when you spend a good chunk of your disposable income on
> your collect it helps if she at least understands (on some level)
> your love of the music. How would you feel if your wife spent all
> her extra money on collecting [insert a type of music/band you hate]
> and spent hours each week tracking down obscure releases, mailing CDs
> all over the globe. Maybe this only applies to a few of us,
> but obtaining
> a complete collection takes alot of time,money and effort.
> My wife tollerates
> my collection which is about as good as I can expect it to
> get as she is
> not into music in general.
>
>
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From:
';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk'
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 9:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD?
Because my life is centered around music -- it's the greatest thing in the
world to me. I would like my significant other to feel similarly, sort of
for the same reason that people of the same religion get together --
mixed marriages do work, but same-religion marriages work more smoothly
(with one less obstacle, anyway). It makes for better non-sex-related
interaction. You spend more time with your partner not having sex than
having sex, so I would like my non-sex-related interests to be similar to
theirs. Now mind you, I don't want someone who has _exactly_ the same
tastes, either. I usually admire someone who has opinions of their own,
too. I want someone who's going to expand my horizons a bit. But, you're
right, that would be gravy, not a requirement. It's not like you have a
choice with whom you fall in love, anyway...
Of course, this is all in the hypothetical...
--
I remain,
:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Glynn Naughton wrote:
> One thing that puzzles me whenever this 'TD and girls' thread comes
> up. Why is it so important to have a girlfriend/wife who likes TD?
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 10:17
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD?
On Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:48 PM, Joe Shoults
[SMTP:joes@f...] wrote:
> dude.... if your wife tolerates YOUR collection, she must be the most
> patient woman around! ;-)
>
True, true! :-) When she looks at my collection I don't think she really
knows how much it is worth (or cost!) While I am just a fetus when
it comes to TD related vinyl and CD-R/fan tapes I just might have one of the
largest CD collections of TD and solo releases from former/current members
in the world. I think I might be in the top 3 or for sure 5. I don't have an
exact count or anything at this point, but I am working on it.
From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2000 10:26
pm
Subject: Miaow miaow music
'...the collecting that really makes me nuts. I mean
come on...IT NEVER ENDS!!!'
Yes, April,you're right about collecting various
variations of what sound like the same piece of music.
The glass cupboard in our apartment is full but new
CDs keep coming in.
'I don't think I will ever understand why on God's
green earth ANY person would need 14 versions of the
same song!!?!' ...Although,Rumpelstiltskin is a solid
1! Its the closest thing to real music
to me, and hardly aggravates me at all. :)'
I will probably have it played tonight. He now wants
me to listen more consciously than before so I can
have an opinion about it. I'll tell you later what I
think about it.
Now, Frank to elaborate on the miaow, miaow music. it
is a piece of music with not much happening, the note
is held for a long time, when it finally changes it
just goes one key up or down and so on and on like a
kitten in replay mode. To illustrate my point listen
to the Seven letters from Tibet, track 5.
There are quite a few tracks I like. These are track
from Tangents, Dream Mixes, 'Vanishing Blue' and I
like tracks which include vocals from 'El Greco' and
'Psalmus Ode' by Vangelis, and Gloria Theme by TD.
Thank you wives for speaking up.
Joanna
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 12:17
am
Subject: Edgar
Hi everyone,
I'm new to the mailing list, even though I've been in touch with one or two
of you in the past (you know who you are!). Very interesting so far, and I'm
very much looking forward to being a part of this TD community.
Been a huge fan since about 1983. Since then it's become a hobby rather than
just following a band. I'm sure a lot of you know what I mean by that!
Favourite albums are hard to pin down, as it all depends on which version of
TD I want to listen to. I love the mid-70s era as much as the
rhythm-orientated material of recent years, but it's hard to beat really
melodic stuff like 'Tangram' and 'Optical Race'. I think some of TD's finest
moments can be heard during 'Logos 1', 'Tangram Set 1', 'Ricochet',
'Tangent', 'LiveMiles 1', I could go on and on. In recent years, tracks like
'TimeSquare' and 'Comet's Figure Head' (their best composition in the last
5, maybe even 10, years for me) have confirmed that their writing and
production still has an enormous amount to offer, even if their audience
isn't as large as it once was.
In reply to someone's recent post, the reason we don't really know a great
deal about Edgar's private life is because that's precisely the way he wants
it. He feels very strongly about this, and is of the opinion that, as fans
of the band, we should be interested in the music and not the people who
have made it. He has said that, in years to come, he hopes people will
always remember the music of Tangerine Dream, buts doesn't especially want
anyone to remember him in person. He has stated he would much rather be
remembered through his music, because it reflects more about his inner
thoughts, emotions and expressions more than any regular insight into his
private life ever could. TD's music has always been about communication
through whatever level of consciousness the listener chooses to adopt. If we
can achieve a certain mood by listening to a particular track, then it has
succeeded, no matter what that mood may be. As long as the music achieves
some conscious response on the part of the listener, I feel Edgar will
consider his time in the studio producing that track was time well spent.
In short, we can learn everything we need to know about Edgar through
listening to the music he composes. Anything else shouldn't concern us.
Dream On...
- Chris Owen
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 12:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD?
Joel Mullen wrote:
> [...] I think I might be in the top 3 or for sure 5. I don't have an
> exact count or anything at this point, but I am working on it. [...]
You'd be surprised Joel. I know of at least a dozen TD collectors that
have almost 'everything' by TD - excluding maybe the multiple CD matrix
thing :-) And what's more astonishing is that most of the hardcore
collectors don't have e-mail or are not on this list...
Vic
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 12:31
am
Subject: RE:Berlin event - [Poland next time?]
olle.rundgren@s... wrote:
[...]
> If they should play in Germany, Britain, USA how big an audience would show
> up?
>
> Sweden isn't worth mentioning I guess, they've never been here and [...]
I think TD can get the biggest draw in Poland - my parents' native
homeland. It seems that in Poland the EM scene is VERY strong and there
are many very educated EM collectors. Let's also not forget that TD and
Klaus Schulze had some of their best concerts there and released CDs of
the shows. I've been to Poland many times and people there are very
warm and love to party! Next time TD plays in Poland I'll be booking my
'trip'. :)
> np: Baffo Banfi- The sound of southern sunsets
Ah yes, Klaus plays on this album?
Vic
P.S. That Ozric Tentacles show last night was great! And the Star
People were a trip too. Wadda you think Tom and Craig?
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 12:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> Yes, Tilsit is now known as Sovetsk, Russia.
Yes, just across the river Nemunas from the Lithuanian border and about
75km from the Polish border.
Vic
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 2:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE:Berlin event - [Poland next time?]
> warm and love to party! Next time TD plays in Poland I'll be booking my
> 'trip'. :)
Speaking of party...I guess you made it home ok. How was work today? :-)
> P.S. That Ozric Tentacles show last night was great! And the Star
> People were a trip too. Wadda you think Tom and Craig?
Wow! Great show...the Star People actually sound better when you don't have
to watch them...the guitarist definitely has that Fripp thing down. And the
violinist...
The Ozrics were in fine form. Nice to finally meet you Tom...
From:
'Alan Benson'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 4:20
am
Subject: Re (x like lots!): Who cares whether girls like TD?
In [tadream] digest #688 (11/02/00) Vic wrote:
> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:57:55 -0500
> From: Vic Rek
> Subject: Re: Who cares whether girls like TD?
> Joel Mullen wrote:
>> [...] I think I might be in the top 3 or for sure 5. I don't have
>> an exact count or anything at this point, but I am working on
>> it. [...]
> You'd be surprised Joel. I know of at least a dozen TD
> collectors that have almost 'everything' by TD - excluding
> maybe the multiple CD matrix thing :-) And what's more
> astonishing is that most of the hardcore collectors don't
> have e-mail or are not on this list...
>
> Vic
*************************************************
Hehehe... I've got to concur with Vic here.
Once Klaus told me (when I was thanking him
for this, that and the other) that there are old
time TD collectors (non-net) that make our vast
TD collections look like child's play (paraphrased).
As, I've often said: 'When Klaus speaks -- TD
diehards listen!' ~lol~ The important thing, as
always, is that we *ALL* have fun!
To give an example: I probably have at least six to eight
(ten? ~lol~) copies of 'Macula Transfer' on vinyl (Brain
60.008). However, once the CD (Manikin Records mrcd
7030) was released I finally stopped collecting the precious
'black gold' for that specific album. My collection is pretty
well rounded with a little bit of everything (somewhere around
1400 entries with duplication). But, I've only collected the last
fourteen years and been on the Internet for a year and one-half. Considering
that some diehards have spent just over thirty years!
That's a very long time!
Besides, Joel your impressive TD (CD originals) collection
is still the 'TOPS' with me! As, I stopped counting TD CD
originals after the 300 plus mark. Clearly, yours is in severe
quadruple digits!!! And, still rising... And, Vic's TD collection
is simply legendary!
May the 'Dream' live in *all* of us...
Best Always,
-- Al
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 4:31
am
Subject: Feldman's TD Collection: the Shame of the List? ;)
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:20:28 -0800 Alan Benson said:
>[. . .] My collection is pretty well rounded with a little bit of
>everything (somewhere around 1400 entries with duplication). But, I've
>only collected the last fourteen years and been on the Internet for a
>year and one-half. [. . .] I stopped counting TD CD originals after
>the 300 plus mark. [. . .]
Jeesh. Just for giggles, I'm going to shame myself by divulging
that even though I've been collecting TD since 1983 (hence my fixation
with 'the one that got away'), and have been subscribed to TD mailing
lists since 1990, I've 'only' got about 120 TD records and 'only' got
about 140 TD CDs, and 'only' about 40 'live' tapes (35 of which I got
from Lars Jones because he lived two towns away at the time and twisted
my arm to give him some blanks for making me a bunch).
But do I love TD? Well, I used to. Now, I just plain like them
a lot. I think it's because I no longer get thrills from playing the
pre-1985 stuff. Yep, I'm an infidel and mostly like the stuff from LE
PARC onward, these days (viva la ART OF VISION mailing list!). And I
often enjoy music by TD clones more than TD themselves, these days --
examples being AIR SCULPTURE, ARCANE, PAUL ELLIS, THE MINISTRY OF INSIDE
THINGS (a Nightcrawlers spinoff), and UNDER THE DOME. I'm not all that
thrilled with Redshift anymore, but sometimes I like Radio Massacre
International. Yawn, I'll bet I'm boring you all. See ya. I've got
my ever-growing kung fu movie-related websites to attend to. (I just
added the *200th* page to my mega-site yesterday!)
-- Steven Feldman -- unhumble
webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at
http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 3:59
am
Subject: >Does that correspond with Tilsit?
>Does that correspond with Tilsit?
not sure, but it certainly explains why edgar's known as the big cheese. :)
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 6:10
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Feldman's TD Collection: the Shame of the List? ;)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...]
> But do I love TD? Well, I used to. Now, I just plain like them
> a lot. I think it's because I no longer get thrills from playing the
> pre-1985 stuff. Yep, I'm an infidel and mostly like the stuff from LE
> PARC onward, these days (viva la ART OF VISION mailing list!).
Yeah, the list no-one posts to anymore. :( I guess part of the reason is
attendance is still low, and I don't have time to do a bunch of marketing.
Oh, well....
> And I
> often enjoy music by TD clones more than TD themselves, these days --
> examples being AIR SCULPTURE, ARCANE, PAUL ELLIS, THE MINISTRY OF INSIDE
> THINGS (a Nightcrawlers spinoff), and UNDER THE DOME. I'm not all that
> thrilled with Redshift anymore, but sometimes I like Radio Massacre
> International. Yawn, I'll bet I'm boring you all. See ya. I've got
> my ever-growing kung fu movie-related websites to attend to. (I just
> added the *200th* page to my mega-site yesterday!)
I haven't heard much of the above stuff, but so far Arcane, Paul Nagle, and
Craig Padilla are my fav classic EM artists at the moment. Viva la classic
EM!
Regards,
Jared
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 8:29
am
Subject: Elektrobeats February 1, 1998 with Jerome Froese
Hello,
I'm very interested in getting the full 3-hour long 'Elektrobeats' radio
show with Jerome (Feb.1, 1998). So if anyone on this list has the
complete broadcast it would be veeeeerry nice to contact me off-list for
a swap :-)
Heiko
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 9:32
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] Album ID
Hey,
>Candidate 1: Heiko
>Prize: 50 records of my choice for free!!!!!!!!!1
Yes, choose any 50 Yawni records for free......
>Album: EXIT (1981)
Thanks, that was the most important info.
glenn
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 10:01
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Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Album ID
Glenn Folkvord wrote:
> Hey,
>
> >Candidate 1: Heiko
> >Prize: 50 records of my choice for free!!!!!!!!!1
>
> Yes, choose any 50 Yawni records for free......
you mean Yanni? I don't want to start another thread here again but you can
keep them all for yourself ;-)
Heiko
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 10:33
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Album ID
RE < Yawni> Heiko, Mr. Folkvord spelled it intentionally that way, just in
case you didn't get it. Mr. Folkvord, your sense of humor is killing me :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Album ID
>
>
> Glenn Folkvord wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > >Candidate 1: Heiko
> > >Prize: 50 records of my choice for free!!!!!!!!!1
> >
> > Yes, choose any 50 Yawni records for free......
>
> you mean Yanni? I don't want to start another thread here again but you
can
> keep them all for yourself ;-)
>
> Heiko
>
>
>
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From:
waltersparbier@a...
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 10:34
am
Subject: Has someone recorded Electrobeats 25 Oct 2000 with Jerome?
Hello,
I didn't found anybody here who has told about that Jerome was at
Electrobeats show 2 weeks ago. There is a link here:
www.radioeins.de/sendungen/elektro_beats/200010/20001025125245.html
and he played something from Dream Mixes 3 and also a DJ set and
interview.
Has anybody listen to this show? Or has recorded it?
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 10:23
am
Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] Album ID
>you mean Yanni? I don't want to start another thread here again but you can
>keep them all for yourself ;-)
>Heiko
I will, I never belived in distributing pollution anyway :-)
glenn
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 10:54
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Album ID / Yanni
> RE < Yawni> Heiko, Mr. Folkvord spelled it intentionally that way, just in
> case you didn't get it. Mr. Folkvord, your sense of humor is killing me :-)
Shields out, please... !
i feel a need to jump in here and defend at least a part of the man (Yan/wni's)
music... i will agree that his involvment with Linda Evans seems to conincide
with his movement into the realms of 'eaaaaaaaazzzzzyyy listening', but his
first few albums are really good... most especially 'Out of Silence'...
everything before Dare to Dream, in fact... Keys to Imagination is great... so
it's almost as though his career has been split... sound familiar? :)
i'm sure there is a split on the Yanni camp as well, but his later music bears
little resemblance to those first, innovative, albums...
.02 litter...er, lighter... :)
j.gordon
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From:
AirWave
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 11:27
am
Subject: Klaus Schulze - Contemporary Works
Hi guys.
FINALLY IT'S HERE !!!!!
The new 10 CD Box from Klaus Schulze just arrived.
And it was more than worth the long wait.
WHAT an ENCREDIBLE Box set.
10 CDs in a small Wooden Box with the text printed or
burned into the lid. Very stylish. I LIKE IT :-)
A 30 page color booklet with presentations of
all CDs, color photos, and a wealth of information.
Very stylish too. That's the way to do it. :-)
Cardboard sleeves for the CDs. Okay...it keeps the price
for the set low, and they fit rather sluggly into the
wooden box.
The sleeves has some encredible coverart. WOW.
This is fucking AWESOME. It makes the TD photoshop
noodlings look really rediculous.
Music :
NP CD1. : Vanity Of Sounds. (78:42) KS Solo.
HOLY SHIT !!!!!
Very rhythmical. Sequencers running wild all over the place.
Allready one of my FAVE KS CDs of all time.
I'm really looking forward to the other CDs in the box set.
This has already been more than worth the DM 250 I payed
for it.
Will stay in touch as I work my way thru the CDs.
AirWave.
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 11:46
am
Subject: re: ozric tentacles
>P.S. That Ozric Tentacles show last night was great! And the Star
People were a trip too. Wadda you think Tom and Craig?
sadly, they didn't make it to California this trip out.
--teiwaz
np Ozric Tentacles Fillmore 1998
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 11:56
am
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Album ID / Yanni
I like all of his stuff or almost all anyways, even if it is a bit sugary.
Have you heard his 'Tribute' CD? I thought that it was an excellent piece
of work. I have his new release too. This one is very different from what he
has produced before. A little bit harder to get used to, reminds me of Peter
Buffett in places, but I need to go back and listen to it again.
Yanni's 'Reflection of Passion' was the very first CD I heard of his, and my
very first taste in new age music, which led me to trying out other new age
artists, including TD. So if it wasn't for him, I may not have even gotten
here. Definitely, a pivotal and significant point and turn in the road of my
life.
Frank Arellano
PS I have pictures of Yanni and Eddie hanging on my wall. Just
kidding........ :-)
From: 'j.gordon'
To:
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Album ID / Yanni
> > RE < Yawni> Heiko, Mr. Folkvord spelled it intentionally that way, just
in
> > case you didn't get it. Mr. Folkvord, your sense of humor is killing me
:-)
>
> Shields out, please... !
>
> i feel a need to jump in here and defend at least a part of the man
(Yan/wni's)
> music... i will agree that his involvment with Linda Evans seems to
conincide
> with his movement into the realms of 'eaaaaaaaazzzzzyyy listening', but
his
> first few albums are really good... most especially 'Out of Silence'...
> everything before Dare to Dream, in fact... Keys to Imagination is
great... so
> it's almost as though his career has been split... sound familiar? :)
>
> i'm sure there is a split on the Yanni camp as well, but his later music
bears
> little resemblance to those first, innovative, albums...
>
> .02 litter...er, lighter... :)
>
> j.gordon
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 12:25
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Album ID / Yanni
Frank Arellano wrote:
> PS I have pictures of Yanni and Eddie hanging on my wall. Just
> kidding........ :-)
Wait until you've seen my TD altar where I kneel down every night, praying to
the TD gods above to release more old live stuff! ~LMAO~
Heiko
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 12:09
pm
Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Album ID / Yanni
> Yanni's 'Reflection of Passion' was the very first CD I heard of his, and my
> very first taste in new age music, which led me to trying out other new age
> artists, including TD. So if it wasn't for him, I may not have even gotten
> here. Definitely, a pivotal and significant point and turn in the road of my
> life.
reflection of passion was a harbinger of what was to come... it was his first
compilation and showed that he was leaning toward his more 'romantic' stuff
even before he released Dare to Dream... i've not really purchased anything
since DTD... i've heard a lot of it, and it doesn't fit the bill for me... but
i regularly dig into Optimystique, Out of Silence, K2I and Chameleon Days...
j.gordon
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From:
'James E. Jacoby'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 12:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
Feldon Feldon wrote:
> The word 'destroyed' comes to mind. The first 12-15 minutes are total
> fiction, as well as the ending. There is a serious tape flaw that Edgar
> chose not to fix (several members on the list were able to clean up the tape
> to broadcast quality with some knowledge of sound filtering and fixing). And
> of course it's completely Tangentized.
I've heard about the 12-15 minute fictionalized part on this list several times
before, and I believe it's totally true, but it does leave me with one ringing
question: If it really is totally fiction, then why did they go through the
trouble of ADDING the tape flaw to it? If there was a recording tape flaw it
should appear only on the actually concert footage part and not the
fictionalized addition, right? I've heard the tape flaw since my very first
listen, by the way. I've just grown accustomed to it.
James
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 1:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
James E. Jacoby wrote:
> If it really is totally fiction, then why did they go through the
> trouble of ADDING the tape flaw to it? If there was a recording tape flaw it
> should appear only on the actually concert footage part and not the
> fictionalized addition, right? I've heard the tape flaw since my very first
> listen, by the way. I've just grown accustomed to it.
I assume that the noise we are talking about isn't a tape flaw from the concert
but
something must have gone wrong while they were mastering the CD, especially
because
the flaw starts after ca. 3 minutes into the track and not after 10-12 minutes
when
one can hear the very first original sounds of the concert. But I'm sure that
this
will remain a well-kept secret of TDI....
On another subject, just recently I heard an old German radio interview from
1985
('Steckdose: die TD-Story') where the moderator (Winfried Trenkler) gave some
information about the 'Soundmill Navigator' concert. Until then I always thought
that this was just a part of the concert (in the booklet of SN it said 'Part
1'),
but he said that Tangerine Dream were just one of many other groups who played
that
night (Berlin Philharmonie June 27, 1976). It was some kind of hommage for the
German classical composer J.S. Bach and this event also (or mainly?) featured
classical music acts (if someone of you has more information it would be nice to
know) ...and this 30-minute composition was the only track which TD was playing.
This would also explain why no-one seems to have a fan tape recording ;-)
Heiko
n.p.: 'I-Box'
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 2:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
> I assume that the noise we are talking about isn't a tape flaw from the
concert but
> something must have gone wrong while they were mastering the CD, especially
because
> the flaw starts after ca. 3 minutes into the track and not after 10-12
minutes when
> one can hear the very first original sounds of the concert.
TDI stated already that it was indeed a tape flaw from the concert. See
http://www.egroups.com/message/tadream/21633
Also, the fact that the flaw starts after ca. 3 minutes proves to me
that only the first 3 minutes are fiction, and the rest came from the
real concert, eventually with some 'tangentizing'.
Personally I don't mind the noise and the tangentizing, and I can play
this album on repeat mode and enjoy it for hours.
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 3:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
>From: 'James E. Jacoby'
>
>I've heard about the 12-15 minute fictionalized part on this list several
>times
>before, and I believe it's totally true, but it does leave me with one
>ringing
>question: If it really is totally fiction, then why did they go through the
>trouble of ADDING the tape flaw to it?
The faked tape flaw for the first 12-15 minutes sounds different enough from
the real tape flaw that I certainly noticed it. And it stays the exact same
for the first 12-15 minutes, while the one *in* the original music morphs
from left to right, changing frequencies, and evolving from a *chht* *chht*
to munching sounds.
I hope when (if) Edgar goes back and looks at other concert tapes for
release (or doctorization), rather than throwing up his hands if there's a
tape flaw, or deciding to live with it, he'll contact members of this list,
or sound engineering folk so they can help him out with it. And it's no
slight against him. I've been listening to Aqua for the first time today.
Edgar is no slouch with sound technology, but I don't think as a musician
anyone should expect him to be a sound cleanup engineer. People make a
career just out of doing that their whole lives. Not really creating
anything, just saving sound reels, etc. from oxidation.
The frustrating part is not that he doesn't know how to do it (I sure as
hell don't know how to remove such an evasive sound as the tape flaw on SN),
or that he sincerely felt that he COULDN'T do it without damaging some other
part of the music, but that he didn't at least ask people really
knowledgable about this sort of thing who could give a more thorough
analysis and give an answer either way.
I mean, they're working on recovering the film 'Citizen Kane' right now.
It's going to take over a year. But it's proof that anything no matter how
old and worn can be recovered. (DVD in spring 2002 USA probably--there's a
CK DVD in Europe but it's from the VHS master, not the original print).
-Morgan
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 3:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I've really got to get this one home. I've
heard an original tape of this whole concert. Trust me. The first 15 minutes
are a 2000 creation. The *chht* *chht* is a sound sample that's been
introduced to simulate the tape flaw.
>From: Antonio Nunes
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
>Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:54:26 +0000
>
>
>
>Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> >
> > I assume that the noise we are talking about isn't a tape flaw from the
>concert but
> > something must have gone wrong while they were mastering the CD,
>especially because
> > the flaw starts after ca. 3 minutes into the track and not after 10-12
>minutes when
> > one can hear the very first original sounds of the concert.
>
>TDI stated already that it was indeed a tape flaw from the concert. See
>http://www.egroups.com/message/tadream/21633
>
>Also, the fact that the flaw starts after ca. 3 minutes proves to me
>that only the first 3 minutes are fiction, and the rest came from the
>real concert, eventually with some 'tangentizing'.
>
>Personally I don't mind the noise and the tangentizing, and I can play
>this album on repeat mode and enjoy it for hours.
>
>Antonio Nunes
>
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From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 11:23
pm
Subject: RE: AQUA II a good example of THE KEEP's elusiveness
> From: Steven Feldman
> Subject: AQUA II a good example of THE KEEP's elusiveness
>
> >Really-From: 'Paul Fellows'
>
> >To (roughly) quote 'Dream Collector' issue 27: [. . .]
> >1000 copies only. Most of the sets were probably handed out to
> >non-collectors for promotional purposes, making it potentially
> >one of the rarest items in the collectors community. (...)
>
> Sounds like roughly the situation with the 1984 KEEP LP: there were
> only 300 copies, most of them were probably bought by
> non-collectors, and even 14 years after its release, none have
> fallen into collector's hands. D'oh! ;)
The MAIN DIFFERENCE between 'Aqua II' and 'The Keep' is that we, the
'Dream Collector' editors, hold the 'Aqua 2' LP and box in our hands, so
we simply had to believe it does exist... ;-)
(Just a note - no attempt to re-start the discussion we have had two
weeks ago...)
Peter Stoeferle
From:
'Gibbons, Conrad'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 5:09
pm
Subject: Hello everyone!!!
Hi folks,
Having returned from a fabulous weekend in Berlin I have just posted the
following message to the guestbook. I'm off this weekend to Galway but I
will share some interesting things here next week!!!!
'Oh ye of little faith!!!! The Tangs are back!!!! Having witnessed
Jerome's EXCELLENT DJ set last saturday night, I have to say that all TD
fans are in for a MAJOR treat with Dream Mixes III... I say this as the
only witness from Ireland or the UK to have been there (that I know of).
The music was kick-ass (BIG TIME!!!) and the visuals were pretty damn cool -
they even had a laser machine and smoke generator. Those - who weren't
there lost out big time!!! For those who thought Jerome's set would be a
case of 'oh it's only a DJ set of drum and bass...' I have to disappoint
you. The evolution of TD's dance direction continues with a winning
formula!!! As a diehard TD fan I was pleasantly surprised how I found I had
to dance to the great grooves Jerome had prepared.
Hopefully there will more events like last saturday's SOON!!!??? ;-)
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons (TD fan since 1987)'
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 5:47
pm
Subject: Grand Canyon & Canyon Dreams
>> I took a colleague and a customer to the Grand Canyon two weeks
>> ago.
>
>Not my experience. I found a PAL version(!) of the Canyon Dreams video
>in one of the cafeteria shops inside the National Park. I don't remember
>which one exactly, as this was 4+ years ago.
Jens, given the timeline from my original statement, and yours:
would you at least be able to accept my posting as an update on
the current situation ?? ;-) ;-)
Maybe this has to do with an info I just got via a friend from
Kip Kilpatrick - Miramar is no more, the company has folded.
cheers,
klaus
From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 6:19
pm
Subject: Astral Voyager
Just to remind you all that there is one radio show
broadcasting electronic music every Friday evening, at
10.00pm (or a minute or two later) European time. You
can catch it on the web at:
http://ituner.com/rak/rakaudio.html
The show is called 'Astral Voyager' and on tonight’s
programme I’ll be featuring music by T-Bass UK, Peter
Baumann, The Orb, John Dyson, Vangelis and Andy
Pickford. Sadly, TD are not scheduled tonight (as four
tracks from 'Antique Dreams' were featured in last
week's show), but they are usually played every week,
and on Friday 15 December there'll be a special
programme featuring the fans' favourite Top Ten tracks
by Edgar & Jerome. I'll start the poll next week...
To Frank: I'd like to take up your offer for
assistance to this poll. The last poll I conducted
drove my wife NUTS (because of so much time spent on
the computer., and to a degree it did the same to me
too, but it was interesting to see how the chart would
shape up), so it would be helpful if a second person
could give assistance, i.e. keep a running total of
scores, suggest other ideas for this poll, etc. Let me
know your thoughts off-list.
I always appreciate any feedback regards the
programme.
Regards
Roger
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From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 6:22
pm
Subject: Astral Voyager... again (sorry)
I forgot to mention... Radio Rak is broadcast in
Poland, so although the show is in English, when
tuning in at the beginning you may here the Polish
language or a few REKLAMY (adverts).
Okay, I'll go now...
Roger
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From:
Roger Hartopp
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 6:45
pm
Subject: Trouble logging on...
Hello again...
Someone's just contacted me off list to say they can't
log on. I've just tried and I'm having the same
problem...
I'll have to ask tonight.
In the meantime, you could try www.rak.krakow.pl
and click on the man listening. Try that...
Sorry
Roger
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From:
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Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 8:57
pm
Subject: Radio Rak - it should be working
Hello everyone.
The folks at Radio rak have assured me the website is
working, using RealAudio 3...
It can be found at www.rak.krakow.pl
I'm about to go on air now. (Hopefully) happy listening
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 9:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Radio Rak - it should be working
RealAudio 3? EECHH sound quality is the pitts.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Hartopp
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:01 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Radio Rak - it should be working
Hello everyone.
The folks at Radio rak have assured me the website is
working, using RealAudio 3...
It can be found at www.rak.krakow.pl
I'm about to go on air now. (Hopefully) happy listening
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Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 9:25
pm
Subject: Re: Radio Rak - it should be working
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote:
> RealAudio 3? EECHH sound quality is the pitts.
>
>
Okay. I'll have to have words with the director here...
Roger
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 3:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
>From: Heiko Heerssen
>
>I assume that the noise we are talking about isn't a tape flaw from the
>concert but
>something must have gone wrong while they were mastering the CD,
It wasn't a tape flaw of the concert, or the CD. The tape sat on a shelf and
decided to deteriorate in one small band of the tape for the entire length.
>especially because
>the flaw starts after ca. 3 minutes into the track and not after 10-12
>minutes when
>one can hear the very first original sounds of the concert.
Edgar created a sound sample which sounds almost identical to the tape flaw
*chht* *chht* and all that, and PLAYED it along with his 100% new sounds for
the first 12-15 minutes. He actually started this sound about 3 minutes in.
So he tried to treat it as a musical element. I wouldn't say as a coverup,
but to try to make its appearance less jarring. Just listen a couple times.
You can hear that the sound for the first 3-15 minutes doesn't morph at all.
It stays steady. Then when we get into the real sound, it slowly morphs
around, moving from left to right channels, going up and down in frequency,
and evolving from *chht* *chht* to munching sounds.
>But I'm sure that this
>will remain a well-kept secret of TDI....
My ears, and the ears of list-members reveal the secret.
-Morgan
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From:
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Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 10:19
pm
Subject: OT: RE: SV: [tadream] Album ID / Yanni
wasn't Linda Evans the one (or maybe one of many) that followed some guru
who said he/she was in contact with some alien intelligence or something?
what a fruitcake!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...]
...
> the man (Yan/wni's)
> music... i will agree that his involvment with Linda Evans
> seems to conincide
> with his movement into the realms of 'eaaaaaaaazzzzzyyy
> listening', but his
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 10:20
pm
Subject: OT: OT
they'll be here in Cleveland Nov 15th! can't wait!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
...
>
> >P.S. That Ozric Tentacles show last night was great! And the Star
> People were a trip too. Wadda you think Tom and Craig?
>
> sadly, they didn't make it to California this trip out.
>
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From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 10:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT
Yeah! Do yourself (and us) a favor and tape it! The band is totally cool
with this and really would like copies...I just sent one off to their
manager today. After the show, John (the wild flute dude) actually came out
and took the whole crowd that was waiting for an autograph backstage.
Security was trying to rustle everyone out the door, and John just stepped
up and said, 'hey...don't go, just come on back here with us'.
Unfortunately, I didn't stick around as Vic and Tom had another agenda :-)
Enjoy the show Joe!
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Joe Shoults'
To:
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:20 PM
Subject: [tadream] OT: OT
> they'll be here in Cleveland Nov 15th! can't wait!
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
> ...
> >
> > >P.S. That Ozric Tentacles show last night was great! And the Star
> > People were a trip too. Wadda you think Tom and Craig?
> >
> > sadly, they didn't make it to California this trip out.
> >
>
>
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 10:54
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: OT
I'm helping them distribute promotional flyers to local record stores and
such, and am on the guest list, so maybe we'll get to chat a bit. I don't
have the equipment to tape, but I'll make sure I hook up with anyone who
does (Scott- you taping this one??).
BTW, FYI: If you're interested in the Ozric mailing list, Send 'subscribe
erpnotes' to majordomo@s...
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...]
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:19 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT
>
>
> Yeah! Do yourself (and us) a favor and tape it! The band is
> totally cool
> with this and really would like copies...I just sent one off to their
> manager today. After the show, John (the wild flute dude)
> actually came out
> and took the whole crowd that was waiting for an autograph backstage.
> Security was trying to rustle everyone out the door, and John
> just stepped
> up and said, 'hey...don't go, just come on back here with us'.
> Unfortunately, I didn't stick around as Vic and Tom had
> another agenda :-)
>
> Enjoy the show Joe!
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:20 PM
> Subject: [tadream] OT: OT
>
>
> > they'll be here in Cleveland Nov 15th! can't wait!
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...]
> > ...
> > >
> > > >P.S. That Ozric Tentacles show last night was great!
> And the Star
> > > People were a trip too. Wadda you think Tom and Craig?
> > >
> > > sadly, they didn't make it to California this trip out.
> > >
> >
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 8:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Hello everyone!!!
Urgh. There are benefits to MSN Explorer add-on to Hotmail. but I can't respond
to quoted text WITHIN the quote. Piece of sh*t. Anyways, I guess we've come
full circle :) Tangerine Dream were some of the first to have laser shows
('Tangerine Dream with Laserium' in 1981 if mem serves) and now they're back...
----- Original Message -----
From: Gibbons, Conrad
Hi folks,
Having returned from a fabulous weekend in Berlin I have just posted the
following message to the guestbook. I'm off this weekend to Galway but I
will share some interesting things here next week!!!!
'Oh ye of little faith!!!! The Tangs are back!!!! Having witnessed
Jerome's EXCELLENT DJ set last saturday night, I have to say that all TD
fans are in for a MAJOR treat with Dream Mixes III... I say this as the
only witness from Ireland or the UK to have been there (that I know of).
The music was kick-ass (BIG TIME!!!) and the visuals were pretty damn cool -
they even had a laser machine and smoke generator. Those - who weren't
there lost out big time!!!
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From:
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Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Thanks for your coments
Hello :
Thanks to all the people for the coments about
Thalassa's music and for your listens and downloads..
He is still at number #2 at Electronica on Mp3.com (#1
at Symphonic Electronica, subgenere of Electronica).
Remenber that you can check it at :
http://www.mp3.com/thalassa
And just tell you about another new artist at Mp3.com.
His name is The girl alone. He has only one song at
this time but I think that you like it.
This is his Url :
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/178/the_girl_alone.html
Thanks for all :
Cyberpromoter
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 11:09
pm
Subject: Some help, please :o)
Hi All,
I'm just about to buy a CD, but I'm not sure of the tracks and whether I have
got it. Dream Sequence - Best Of ... Can any one provide me with a tracklist,
and can anyone tell me if it is the same CD as TD - Dream Music 2 released on
Silva Screen ? Maybe part of a Vol. 1 and 2 CD ?
Thanx :o)
Poul
lakota@g...
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Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 11:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some help, please :o)
Poul Erik wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm just about to buy a CD, but I'm not sure of the tracks and whether I have
got it. Dream Sequence - Best Of ... Can any one provide me with a tracklist
01.Dream Is Always The Same
02.Phaedra (Excerpt)
03.Rubycon Pt 1 (Excerpt)
04.Stratosfear (Excerpt)
05.Choronzon
06.Cherokee Lane (Live)
07.Cinnamon Road
08.Kiev Mission
09.Ricochet Pt 2
10.Cloudburst Flight
11.Force Majeure (Excerpt)
12.Tangram Pt 1
13.Beach Scene
14.Logos Pt 1 (A)
15.Logos Pt 1 (B)
16.Logos Pt 2
17.Dominion
18.White Eagle
19.Love On A Real Train
All tracks are the original versions. This was the compilation that introduced
me to the band's music, and it's still great 15 years later.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
dean.mitchell3@n...
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 11:43
pm
Subject: Soundmill Navigator
In reply to Antonio thought that he does not care about the the
original recording has been altered.
If you could here the original recording as I have you would realize
just how much superior the original recording is. The standard of
creativitity that TD produced in the mid 70's is unparalled.
You would then appreciate why many TD fans long for original 70's
recording to be release with out being altered.
I to like much of what TD has produced in the 80' / 90's but most of
the early recordings that have been altered are not as good as the
original recordings.
I am clad to see that this debate is being aired, and welcome more
views on this matter.
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 12:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator
dean.mitchell3@n... wrote:
>
> In reply to Antonio thought that he does not care about the the
> original recording has been altered.
> If you could here the original recording as I have you would realize
> just how much superior the original recording is.
I only said that I enjoy the album even with the noises and
tangentizing. But of course if I could choose between a tangentized and
an original recording I would definitely choose the original!
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 1:43
am
Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator
Greetings all-
I tried...I *really* tried...but I just can't lurk in peace without
rebutting some too-oft repeated errata:
> 'Feldon Feldon'
> >Heiko Heerssen
> >
> >I assume that the noise we are talking about isn't a
> >tape flaw from the concert but something must have
> >gone wrong while they were mastering the CD,
>
> It wasn't a tape flaw of the concert, or the CD. The tape sat on a
> shelf and decided to deteriorate in one small band of the tape
> for the entire length.
*sniff sniff* Sarcasm? Not sure, but I'll give the benefit of the
doubt and take it as read that it's not. I've already mentioned in a
previous post about how common LP and tape flaws can be. This one
sounds like either a spliced break in the tape or an electromagnetic
spike introduced during storage (or initial playback)-hey kids, try
this at home: take one of your favorite tapes, wrap an electical cord
around it and switch whatever device the cord is attached to off and
on several times. This is one way to simulate a myriad of other ways
that a tape can be flawed in this manner! (Now that's sarcasm!;)) Or
it could very well be exactly as explained by TDI, despite your
_opinion_ otherwise.
Further on this point, your continual statement (strangely absent in
this particular post) about 'several' list members being able to
remove the sound is a mischarachterization of the facts. Several
people *did* claim to be working to remove the noise, but *none*
claimed to be successful in doing so _without_ harming the music as
well. The most relevant post on this comes from AirWave,
which I have excerpted:
> Soundmill Navigator has been for sale now for a few weeks.
> Also, the original tape had a glitch so there is a chh chh chh chh
> sound throughout the entire 45 minutes. Edgar says he tried
> to remove it, but could not (a couple of members on this TD list
> successfully removed it using sound filtering software--
> without disturbing the original music!).
Oh no no no. I was one of the people who announced a denoised
version, which I refused to copy to anyone out of respect for TD.
Fantapes and boots okay, but no way I'm gonna copy original TD albums
widely available.
Anyway there is currently no way of removing the annoying fft fft fft
sound on Soundmill without slightly harming the music. The music will
loose a little dynamics. Most notably in the high frequencies where
some of the new material recorded on top of the old recording will
loose the sense of air in the recording. Very bright instrument
sounds such as the tingeling synth sounds appearing many places will
be dampened slightly. No way around it I'm affraid.
+++++
Now, to be fair, he (and others) claimed to get a 'great sounding'
de-noised copy (though not perfect) and further claimed to
be able to do more if they had access to the master tape. Again, this
was covered in the response from TDI, and begs the question:
'What makes any of you think that they didn't try that in
the first place?' i refuse to accept the twisted logic necessary to
believe the supposition that they have all of the gear necessary to
do just that and therfore decide *not* to use it! Please!
> >especially because the flaw starts after ca. 3 minutes into
> >the track and not after 10-12 minutes when
> >one can hear the very first original sounds of the concert.
>
> Edgar created a sound sample which sounds almost identical to the
> tape flaw *chht* *chht* and all that, and PLAYED it along with his
> 100% new sounds for the first 12-15 minutes. He actually started
> this sound about 3 minutes in. So he tried to treat it as a
> musical element. I wouldn't say as a coverup, but to try to make
> its appearance less jarring. Just listen a couple times. You can
> hear that the sound for the first 3-15 minutes doesn't morph at
> all. It stays steady. Then when we get into the real sound, it
> slowly morphs around, moving from left to right channels,
> going up and down in frequency, and evolving from
> *chht* *chht* to munching sounds.
Iv'e listened to this CD a couple of *hundred* times! The 'first
12-15 mins' of the disc are not *entirely* 'fiction', as
you like to put it. The first sounds of the original concert can be
heard at 5:45 (excluding the tape hiss which runs from start to
finish...and was also obviously sampled for the modern sections.) You
really need to listen a little closer, I guess. Or perhaps your
Berlin '76 tape is missing the first 6 mins.? ;)
The sound is first noticable at the 2:49 mark. The sound is also
panned (ie: alternating from l. to r.) from the start. It doesn't go
up and down in frequency nor do its charchteristics change terribly
much at all (just slightly as you transition into and out of the
vintage material-perhaps the difference from sample to real.)
> >But I'm sure that this
> >will remain a well-kept secret of TDI....
>
> My ears, and the ears of list-members reveal the secret.
And those ears have also missed another little tidbit: the last 6:48
of the CD is also modern-INCLUDING THE MELLOTRON!! I can't
believe that *no one* mentioned that! Which is ironic, considering
some of the 'why doesn't he use vintage gear/sounds anymore'
whining occasionally found on this list. It would be so much easier
if some would simply admit up front to 'hearing what you want
to hear' so that the bias in what follows in your statements could be
checked.
In short, my *bias* is this-I will not assume that someone is lying
simply because they are saying something I don't want to hear or
believe. If TDI/Edgar says it's a tape flaw that couldn't be fixed,
then I'll accept it at face value. After all, he's in a better
position to make that call than anyone here on this list, and it also
is just plain stupid to lie about it if indeed it can be fixed. All
of you who wish to _believe_ otherwise need to remember that it is
merely your*opinion*-and a very ugly one at that.
My opinoin is that _Soundmill Navigator_ contains the best of both
worlds-a great vintage concert sweetened with what I feel is the
best Edgar material in some time. I *highly* recommend this CD to
anyone wishing to discover where the magic of TD went. The
fact is it never left.
goozer
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 2:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator
Hermes, I really don't care a whole lot about the tst tst sound quality
issue, because for me it isn't that big of deal, but I can think of two
reasons why people question whether TD tried to rectify the sound problem.
1. Look at how many typos have occurred lately. 2. How about the
mispressings on the Mars Polaris? Their quality control is in question.....
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Hermes Guzman'
To:
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 6:43 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator
> Greetings all-
>
> I tried...I *really* tried...but I just can't lurk in peace without
> rebutting some too-oft repeated errata:
>
> > 'Feldon Feldon'
> > >Heiko Heerssen
> > >
> > >I assume that the noise we are talking about isn't a
> > >tape flaw from the concert but something must have
> > >gone wrong while they were mastering the CD,
> >
> > It wasn't a tape flaw of the concert, or the CD. The tape sat on a
> > shelf and decided to deteriorate in one small band of the tape
> > for the entire length.
>
> *sniff sniff* Sarcasm? Not sure, but I'll give the benefit of the
> doubt and take it as read that it's not. I've already mentioned in a
> previous post about how common LP and tape flaws can be. This one
> sounds like either a spliced break in the tape or an electromagnetic
> spike introduced during storage (or initial playback)-hey kids, try
> this at home: take one of your favorite tapes, wrap an electical cord
> around it and switch whatever device the cord is attached to off and
> on several times. This is one way to simulate a myriad of other ways
> that a tape can be flawed in this manner! (Now that's sarcasm!;)) Or
> it could very well be exactly as explained by TDI, despite your
> _opinion_ otherwise.
>
> Further on this point, your continual statement (strangely absent in
> this particular post) about 'several' list members being able to
> remove the sound is a mischarachterization of the facts. Several
> people *did* claim to be working to remove the noise, but *none*
> claimed to be successful in doing so _without_ harming the music as
> well. The most relevant post on this comes from AirWave,
> which I have excerpted:
>
> > Soundmill Navigator has been for sale now for a few weeks.
> > Also, the original tape had a glitch so there is a chh chh chh chh
> > sound throughout the entire 45 minutes. Edgar says he tried
> > to remove it, but could not (a couple of members on this TD list
> > successfully removed it using sound filtering software--
> > without disturbing the original music!).
>
> Oh no no no. I was one of the people who announced a denoised
> version, which I refused to copy to anyone out of respect for TD.
> Fantapes and boots okay, but no way I'm gonna copy original TD albums
> widely available.
>
> Anyway there is currently no way of removing the annoying fft fft fft
> sound on Soundmill without slightly harming the music. The music will
> loose a little dynamics. Most notably in the high frequencies where
> some of the new material recorded on top of the old recording will
> loose the sense of air in the recording. Very bright instrument
> sounds such as the tingeling synth sounds appearing many places will
> be dampened slightly. No way around it I'm affraid.
> +++++
>
> Now, to be fair, he (and others) claimed to get a 'great sounding'
> de-noised copy (though not perfect) and further claimed to
> be able to do more if they had access to the master tape. Again, this
> was covered in the response from TDI, and begs the question:
> 'What makes any of you think that they didn't try that in
> the first place?' i refuse to accept the twisted logic necessary to
> believe the supposition that they have all of the gear necessary to
> do just that and therfore decide *not* to use it! Please!
>
> > >especially because the flaw starts after ca. 3 minutes into
> > >the track and not after 10-12 minutes when
> > >one can hear the very first original sounds of the concert.
> >
> > Edgar created a sound sample which sounds almost identical to the
> > tape flaw *chht* *chht* and all that, and PLAYED it along with his
> > 100% new sounds for the first 12-15 minutes. He actually started
> > this sound about 3 minutes in. So he tried to treat it as a
> > musical element. I wouldn't say as a coverup, but to try to make
> > its appearance less jarring. Just listen a couple times. You can
> > hear that the sound for the first 3-15 minutes doesn't morph at
> > all. It stays steady. Then when we get into the real sound, it
> > slowly morphs around, moving from left to right channels,
> > going up and down in frequency, and evolving from
> > *chht* *chht* to munching sounds.
>
> Iv'e listened to this CD a couple of *hundred* times! The 'first
> 12-15 mins' of the disc are not *entirely* 'fiction', as
> you like to put it. The first sounds of the original concert can be
> heard at 5:45 (excluding the tape hiss which runs from start to
> finish...and was also obviously sampled for the modern sections.) You
> really need to listen a little closer, I guess. Or perhaps your
> Berlin '76 tape is missing the first 6 mins.? ;)
>
> The sound is first noticable at the 2:49 mark. The sound is also
> panned (ie: alternating from l. to r.) from the start. It doesn't go
> up and down in frequency nor do its charchteristics change terribly
> much at all (just slightly as you transition into and out of the
> vintage material-perhaps the difference from sample to real.)
>
> > >But I'm sure that this
> > >will remain a well-kept secret of TDI....
> >
> > My ears, and the ears of list-members reveal the secret.
>
> And those ears have also missed another little tidbit: the last 6:48
> of the CD is also modern-INCLUDING THE MELLOTRON!! I can't
> believe that *no one* mentioned that! Which is ironic, considering
> some of the 'why doesn't he use vintage gear/sounds anymore'
> whining occasionally found on this list. It would be so much easier
> if some would simply admit up front to 'hearing what you want
> to hear' so that the bias in what follows in your statements could be
> checked.
>
> In short, my *bias* is this-I will not assume that someone is lying
> simply because they are saying something I don't want to hear or
> believe. If TDI/Edgar says it's a tape flaw that couldn't be fixed,
> then I'll accept it at face value. After all, he's in a better
> position to make that call than anyone here on this list, and it also
> is just plain stupid to lie about it if indeed it can be fixed. All
> of you who wish to _believe_ otherwise need to remember that it is
> merely your*opinion*-and a very ugly one at that.
>
> My opinoin is that _Soundmill Navigator_ contains the best of both
> worlds-a great vintage concert sweetened with what I feel is the
> best Edgar material in some time. I *highly* recommend this CD to
> anyone wishing to discover where the magic of TD went. The
> fact is it never left.
>
> goozer
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
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'Pergamon'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 2:39
am
Subject: D: [Studio] Great Wall of China
When I first got this album in my hands, I didn't really know what to
expect. I threw the CD in my player and started to listen. First some
mediocre strings, then a bass-sequence with a lot of flanger. Then suddenly
the track burst out with a great beat and the most wonderfull bellsequencer,
and I was in heaven. What a beautiful track!!!! Clearly inspired by the
technoscene, but with TD's own unique sound. This sounded to be promising.
I was a bit dissappointed when hearing the next track, because this was
absolutely typical 90' TD-sound. I quickly zapped to the next track, and,
hello!!!! another nice basssequence, with nice strings. Did I hear someone
mention the 70' - 80's =)
Silence the barking monk: Nice tune, at the beginning, a lot of older
TD-sound, but later it fades into classic 90' style with the classic Korg M1
choir.
Zhu Zhanji: IMO a mediocre track
Stranded without shade: this sounds to messy in my ears
No more candles burning: this slow tune, with at times, some enigmalike
drumbeat, is actually very nice. Maybe there should have been worked a bit
more on the drums.
Lights of Beijing: lovely piano-piece, but got a bit anoyed by the
clarinet-sound.
Snow on Dragon's peak: this track just didn't get hold of me, a bit too
boring for me.
Cradle of prodigies: the first thing that entered my mind when the track
started and the voicesamples began, was JARRE, but again it faded out in a
great bass-sequence, and some nice drums. Again this was clearly inspired by
the Technoscene, and with TD's wonderfull unique sound. Kind of like a mix
between Jarre and TD. Great track!!!.
Tiger Forest: I am not to fond of drum'n'bass/jungle, and I had the
feeling that this track was one long beginning of a track. It never really
begins. It keeps building up, but it never starts!!!.
Conclusion: Very nice album with a couple of mediocre tracks. Surprised
in a nice way to hear all the new styles entering the TD-world. Nice to hear
TD trying new things. I would recommend this album.
Jan
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From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 2:50
am
Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator
'Frank Arellano'
> Hermes, I really don't care a whole lot about the tst tst
> sound quality issue, because for me it isn't that big of
> deal, but I can think of two reasons why people question
> whether TD tried to rectify the sound problem.
> 1. Look at how many typos have occurred lately.
> 2. How about the mispressings on the Mars Polaris?
> Their quality control is in question.....
> Frank
There is a difference between typos and sound mastering. As to your
first example, point taken, but as someone who works as a designer in
advertising, I know that there is no way to eliminate typos as long as
there is a human being at the keyboard. That's why God created
disclaimers!:) However, your second example is not the fault of the
band, but rather the pressing plant that released the *mis-press*!
Edgar can (and should) exercise greater care over the former, but is
quite limited to after the fact action as regards the latter. Still,
neither of your points go to the assumption that some make that during
_mastering_, Edgar and/or Jerome deliberately decided not to use even
the most basic of equipment to address the flaw.
goozer
From:
Chris Richards
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 8:15
am
Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator
<>
Yeah, and Richard Nixon said he wasn't a crook.
Didn't necessarily mean it was true, though.
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 8:21
am
Subject: Re: Ozrics
<>
How did you manage to get on the guest list???
I remember when they played at Peabody's
Downunder, back in April of 94, Jim Collins, the
guy who publishes the Tentacles Of Erpland snuck
me in during the soundcheck and introduced me to
the band members and I got their autographs. I
still have my ticket for that show, not just the
stub, either.
When they came back in September, I hung out with
them again, listened to John play one of his
ethnic wind instruments (some kind of wood flute
deal) then got thrown out by security about 10
minutes before they opened the doors.
Last year, I saw John walking around in that
little park over there, directly across from
where the Nautica Stage is, and hung out with him
for a bit. Then, later, when the entire band went
out to get dinner, I spotted Jim Collins, so I
went with them over to Hooter's and hung out with
them. Mainly, I just hung out with Jim and Zia
and talked for a bit, Zia showed us an English
coin (I forget what demonitation it was, though).
Really looking forward to this show for sure!!!
:-)
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 9:37
am
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Some help, please :o)
Thanx Sean,
You have been most helpfull. I will buy, buy, buy, buy, buy, buy, spend, spend,
spend, spend,spend, spend.
Poul
> 01.Dream Is Always The Same
> 02.Phaedra (Excerpt)
> 03.Rubycon Pt 1 (Excerpt)
> 04.Stratosfear (Excerpt)
> 05.Choronzon
> 06.Cherokee Lane (Live)
> 07.Cinnamon Road
> 08.Kiev Mission
> 09.Ricochet Pt 2
>
> 10.Cloudburst Flight
> 11.Force Majeure (Excerpt)
> 12.Tangram Pt 1
> 13.Beach Scene
> 14.Logos Pt 1 (A)
> 15.Logos Pt 1 (B)
> 16.Logos Pt 2
> 17.Dominion
> 18.White Eagle
> 19.Love On A Real Train
>
>
> All tracks are the original versions. This was the compilation that
introduced me to the band's music, and it's still great 15 years later.
>
>
> --
> SEAN MONTGOMERY
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From:
AirWave
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 1:09
pm
Subject: Re:Soundmill
Hermes Guzman wrote:
> The most relevant post on this comes from AirWave,
> which I have excerpted:
>> Anyway there is currently no way of removing the annoying fft fft fft
>> sound on Soundmill without slightly harming the music. The music will
>> loose a little dynamics.
> Now, to be fair, he (and others) claimed to get a 'great sounding'
> de-noised copy (though not perfect) and further claimed to
> be able to do more if they had access to the master tape. Again, this
> was covered in the response from TDI, and begs the question:
> 'What makes any of you think that they didn't try that in
> the first place?' i refuse to accept the twisted logic necessary to
> believe the supposition that they have all of the gear necessary to
> do just that and therfore decide *not* to use it! Please!
With all respect for TD and your views on the matter, I can say
that that after denoising Soundmill and getting a near perfect
version, Edgar and co. could easily have done the same.
My arguement has always been that Edgar could have denoised
the mastertape and THEN added the tangentization, which would
have KEPT all the dynamics of the recording. I loose about 10%
dynamics in the high fequencies due to the sonic structure of
of Soundmill. IF they had done it that way, NOONE in the world
would have had any reason to complain about the sound quality.
A few good friends 'borrowed' the denoised version (Planetary
Navigator) from me and they have been very happy with the
denoised soundquality.
As it is, the sonic structure of the fft fft noise starts way
into the new recording at the start of the album and continues
throughout. Tape flaw ? Perhabs. Sounds more like a mastering
flaw to me. And it wouldn't be the first flaw eighter.
Valentine Wheels has a similar flaw in the left channel starting
around Silver Scale. Can't remember the exact timing. Is that
a tape flaw too ? Nah don't think so except if they used an old
80s tape for backing play during the concert :-PP
Now I'm off for the weekend. Have a nice one.
AirWave.
From:
'Manuel Marino'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 2:24
pm
Subject: Hey... i'm finally between the stars!!!
Hey... i'm finally between the stars!!!
I'm in the Electronic Top 40!!!
i receive about 1200 emails every day from fans that love my music!... i've
been in TV Shows... reviewed in important magazines...
OK... now it's time for you to see WHY i'm the best italian artist on the
net!
*************************
Vanethian
Listen to my New Age & Electronic music at
http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 7:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator
>From: 'Hermes Guzman'
>
>Greetings all-
>
>Anyway there is currently no way of removing the annoying fft fft fft
>sound on Soundmill without slightly harming the music. The music will
>loose a little dynamics. Most notably in the high frequencies where
>some of the new material recorded on top of the old recording will
>loose the sense of air in the recording. Very bright instrument
>sounds such as the tingeling synth sounds appearing many places will
>be dampened slightly. No way around it I'm affraid.
Use those grey cells for a second. You've just made my point for me.
If Edgar had sound denoising and sound engineering knowledge, he could have
removed the tape flaw completely, and THEN played his higher-frequency
Tangentizations on top. Nice neat done. Surprised that didn't occur to
someone who otherwise seems as smart as you have on this list.
>'What makes any of you think that they didn't try that in
>the first place?' i refuse to accept the twisted logic necessary to
>believe the supposition that they have all of the gear necessary to
>do just that and therfore decide *not* to use it! Please!
Knowledge and Experience. How many movie producers out there do you think
know how to sit down and clean up 15 year old film reels? The answer is
maybe 2. You bring in experts. I compose music. That doesn't mean I know how
to hunt down and destroy tape flaws.
>And those ears have also missed another little tidbit: the last 6:48
>of the CD is also modern-INCLUDING THE MELLOTRON!! I can't
>believe that *no one* mentioned that! Which is ironic, considering
>some of the 'why doesn't he use vintage gear/sounds anymore'
Honestly, after possessing a tape of the real concert, I didn't think it
worth the trouble of mentioning the end of the track being fiction as well,
as Sohoman was the same way. It goes without saying that Edgar will fluff up
the front, the back, and then layer cheese throughout the middle.
>In short, my *bias* is this-I will not assume that someone is lying
>simply because they are saying something I don't want to hear or
>believe. If TDI/Edgar says it's a tape flaw that couldn't be fixed,
>then I'll accept it at face value.
If people knowledgable in sound engineering had had a crack at the
un-Tangentized tape, they could have removed the tape flaw. Then Edgar can
tap out whatever new notes he wants on top of the fixed tape. The only thing
I fault Edgar for here is refusing to ask for help.
-Morgan
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 5:06
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Hey... i'm finally between the stars!!!
> From: Manuel Marino [mailto:vanethian@t...]
>
> Hey... i'm finally between the stars!!!
>
> I'm in the Electronic Top 40!!!
>
> i receive about 1200 emails every day from fans that love my
> music!... i've
> been in TV Shows... reviewed in important magazines...
>
> OK... now it's time for you to see WHY i'm the best italian artist on the
> net!
pfffff......
Thats all I can say about it actually...
Marcel
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 1:34
pm
Subject: Re : [tadream] Some help, please :o)
Hi Poul,
You could have looked at my site which would have answered all your
questions...
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html
Paul
----------
>De : 'Poul Erik'
>Ŕ : 'Tadream-Liste'
>Objet : [tadream] Some help, please :o)
>Date : Sam 4 nov 2000 0:09
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm just about to buy a CD, but I'm not sure of the tracks and whether I
> have got it. Dream Sequence - Best Of ... Can any one provide me with a
> tracklist, and can anyone tell me if it is the same CD as TD - Dream Music
> 2 released on Silva Screen ? Maybe part of a Vol. 1 and 2 CD ?
> Thanx :o)
>
> Poul
>
> lakota@g...
> - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High -
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 6:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Hey... i'm finally between the stars!!!
Manuel Marino wrote:
>
> Hey... i'm finally between the stars!!!
>
> I'm in the Electronic Top 40!!!
Who is this?
And why are you blowing your horn to this list? I have not heard from
the other top 39 artists? ;-)
From:
'Hermes Guzman'
Date: Sat Nov 4, 2000 7:26
pm
Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator
Greetings all-
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote:
> >From: 'Hermes Guzman'
> >
> >Greetings all-
> >
> >Anyway there is currently no way of removing the annoying fft fft
> >fft sound on Soundmill without slightly harming the music. The
> >music will loose a little dynamics. Most notably in the high
> >frequencies where some of the new material recorded on top
> >of the old recording will loose the sense of air in the recording.
> >Very bright instrument sounds such as the tingeling synth sounds
> >appearing many places will be dampened slightly. No way
> >around it I'm affraid.
>
> Use those grey cells for a second. You've just made my point for me.
>
> If Edgar had sound denoising and sound engineering knowledge,
> he could have removed the tape flaw completely, and THEN played
> his higher-frequency Tangentizations on top. Nice neat done.
> Surprised that didn't occur to someone who otherwise seems as
> smart as you have on this list.
Use those eyes for a second. The above quote was from AirWave, not
me. And as to that and below...
> >'What makes any of you think that they didn't try that in
> >the first place?' i refuse to accept the twisted logic necessary to
> >believe the supposition that they have all of the gear necessary to
> >do just that and therfore decide *not* to use it! Please!
>
> Knowledge and Experience. How many movie producers out there
> do you think know how to sit down and clean up 15 year old film
> reels? The answer is maybe 2. You bring in experts. I compose
> music. That doesn't mean I know how to hunt down and destroy
> tape flaws.
....
> >In short, my *bias* is this-I will not assume that someone is lying
> >simply because they are saying something I don't want to hear or
> >believe. If TDI/Edgar says it's a tape flaw that couldn't be fixed,
> >then I'll accept it at face value.
>
> If people knowledgable in sound engineering had had a crack at the
> un-Tangentized tape, they could have removed the tape flaw. Then
> Edgar can tap out whatever new notes he wants on top of the fixed
> tape. The only thing I fault Edgar for here is refusing to ask for
> help.
You again make the *assumption* that 1)- Edgar (or Jerome) doesn't
have sound denoising and sound engineering knowledge
(despite evidence to the contrary) after 30 years of working with
electronic devices of all kinds therefore 2)- he wouldn't avail
himself of even the most basic of these tools that some on this list
have and 3)- that he would then not even bother to ask his many
colleagues and associates with the appropriate skills to help! Oh
wait, I forgot-his ego, right? Or are you just mad because he
didn't ask you? Something about a mote and a beam comes to mind
here...
A '10%' loss may be good enough for some of us out here, but perhaps
it wasn't good enough for Edgar?
> >And those ears have also missed another little tidbit: the last
> >6:48 of the CD is also modern-INCLUDING THE MELLOTRON!! I can't
> >believe that *no one* mentioned that! Which is ironic, considering
> >some of the 'why doesn't he use vintage gear/sounds anymore'
>
> Honestly, after possessing a tape of the real concert, I didn't
> think it worth the trouble of mentioning the end of the track being
> fiction as well, as Sohoman was the same way. It goes without
> saying that Edgar will fluff up the front, the back, and then layer
> cheese throughout the middle.
The point wasn't that it was 'fiction', but rather that he used
*vintage* sounds-and style. The additional material here plays as
_Epsilon in Malaysian Pale 2000_, IMNSHO. Perhaps you consider
_Epsilon..._ to be cheese, too?
You may be of the *opinion* that the overdubs are 'cheese', but that
is *only* an opinion, no matter how many others share it.
There are just as many who are of the *opinion* that the overdubs are
good. Neither *opinion* can become objective fact, no
matter how many times either *opinion* is stated. The only *opinion*
that matters is Edgar's, and his is the only one that _is_
objective fact, meaning that he is the creator and therefore the
definer of his particular reality in music. Whether or not you
accept his version of expressed reality is entirely immaterial to it.
Suddenly I feel like doing an interprative jig about my office
building...:)
goozer
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 12:09
am
Subject: Laserium
Tangerine Dream were some of the first to have laser shows ('Tangerine Dream
with Laserium' in 1981 if mem serves) and now they're back...
I saw them on the Cyclone tour in 1978 and it was the biggest and best laser
show I have ever seen and unequalled since.
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 1:34
am
Subject: Sv: [tadream] Some help, please :o)
Hi Paul, I'll remember that next time. Thanks anyway o)
Cheers
Poul
Hi Poul,
You could have looked at my site which would have answered all your
questions...
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html
Paul
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 2:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Laserium
Yes was touring with lasers in 75-76 with the Relayer tour...
> Tangerine Dream were some of the first to have laser shows ('Tangerine
Dream
> with Laserium' in 1981 if mem serves) and now they're back...
>
> I saw them on the Cyclone tour in 1978 and it was the biggest and best
laser
> show I have ever seen and unequalled since.
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 1:49
pm
Subject: New track, 70s TD-ish
Hello everyone,
I'd like to invite you to hear my new track, called Midnight in Isarsarez. It's
a 15-minutes improvisation, slightly like what TD have done in the mid-70s. I
think anyone who likes that period might enjoy my track.
The URL is http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br/improv/index.htm . Any comments, in
private if possible, will be very much appreciated!
And enjoy!
G.J.
gustavoferreirajobim(gustavfj@m...)
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 1:33
pm
Subject: Discussion Week 60 - Sunday 5th November 2000
I know a lot has already been said about this album in recent months
(and indeed days) but the discussion this week sees the turn of
'Soundmill Navigator'.
Please make your subject read 'D:Live [ Soundmill Navigator]' when
posting comments and reviews.
With probably just 2 weeks left to run after this one... is everyone
decided on the next set of topics, and the new host?
Cheers,
Lawry
lawry.simm@f...
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 3:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Week 60 - Sunday 5th November 2000
In a message dated 05/11/00 15:14:29 GMT Standard Time, lawry.simm@f...
writes:
<< With probably just 2 weeks left to run after this one... is everyone
decided on the next set of topics, and the new host? >>
As a new member, can we start again at Electric Meditation please.
p.s. Do NOT take this seriously, there again it will fill another 60 weeks
Derek.
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 3:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New track, 70s TD-ish
I think the URL you meant is http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br/improv/
>From: Gustavo Jobim
>
>Hello everyone,
>I'd like to invite you to hear my new track, called Midnight in Isarsarez.
>It's a 15-minutes improvisation, slightly like what TD have done in the
>mid-70s. I think anyone who likes that period might enjoy my track.
>The URL is http://www.pfb.hpg.com.br/improv/index.htm . Any comments, in
>private if possible, will be very much appreciated!
I'm downloading it right now :)
-Morgan
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From:
horrod6
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 4:39
pm
Subject: Re: Who cares whether girls like TD?
Apologies for returning to a 'dead' topic, but it's been preying on my mind.
10 reasons why it's better if your 'bidie-in' likes the same music as you do
(in no particular order):
1) You don't have to listen to your favourite band through headphones.
2) They don't mind when you spend the housekeeping money on CDs and have to
live on pasta for a week.
3) They're glad when that hot date you've been promising them turns out to be a
trip to see _your_ favourite band.
4) You can buy them albums as gifts and then listen to them yourself.
5) They don't come in and say 'Do we _have_ to have that on? I've had a hard
day at work!' when you've just settled
down with your favourite album and the intoxicant of your choice after a hard
day at work.
6) They back you up when the neighbours complain about you playing your music
too loud.
7) You can make love to the sound of your favourite music.
8) They recognise the song you're humming when you're happy.
9) They recognise the song you're humming when you can't remember its name,
what album it's on, the words or what
comes next. (OK, I cheated, that's four reasons. )
10) There's one less card in the 'my partner doesn't understand me' deck.
(Note: a 'bidie-in' is a live-in lover, regardless of gender, marital status or
sexual orientation.)
Love'n' hugs
Marion
np: Dream Mixes 2
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 5:01
pm
Subject: GWoC mispressing - cover ?
Hi all,
thought I'd try to get as lucky as other list members, and just
bought another GWoC off the shelf of Media Markt.
No luck, it was the regular pressing, but the cover was
different from the one I already had. Maybe I've missed
something, but just so you're aware:
my 'old' GWoC had identical artwork everywhere, except for
the front cover, where the 'old' one had the same picture,
but somewhat smaller, with a ca. 1cm wide frame of white
around all four corners.
My question - what cover variant do the mispressings have
that have surfaced so far ? With or without the white frame
around the front cover ?
cheers,
klaus
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 6:20
pm
Subject: tours
I guess if TD did tour most of mainland Europe or US there would be a big turn
out.
Just look what happened at the London gig that became Valentine Wheels. I
only managed to get a standing ticket.
There were people there from all over. I got to talk to some guy from the US.
I am not sure who he was. Hello whoever you were. It didn't sound as if
he had had a good flight and he watched the whole concert with ear plugs in.
Near to me were people from Germany. Was that you Klaus Beschorner next to the
sound desk?
Let's face it because of the internet, more fans get to know about the tours
and more fans travel than ever before.
It is a shame for people in Scandinavia that TD have not played there. I hope
they do. I have been suprised by the countries TD have played. For instance
Australia and Greece. Does anyone know if any fan tapes from Greece have
been circulated?
David
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From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 6:28
pm
Subject: who cares whether girls like TD?
I'm the only guy in a house full of women. I am used to the criticism that
TD tracks all sound the same and go on and on. But then again I say the same
about certain other things in my house! (if you know what I mean).
My daughter asks why I have to have so many CD's by them. The answer is the
same as why does she have to have 11 furry purses or 200 beanie babies!
Here's hoping we can get back to the music.
David
n.p This is not America - David Bowie.
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From:
'David Foster'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 6:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD?
Joel Mullen said One thing that puzzles me whenever this 'TD and girls'
thread comes up. Why is it so important to have a girlfriend/wife who likes
TD? When you live in the same house, drive in the same car it is nice to be
able to listen to the same music (until you have kids anyway)
I agree with you. But ask yourself the same question in a few years time
and see what answer you give.
David
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 7:34
pm
Subject: Homepage updated
..nothing dramatic, just new versions of
newstuff.txt and
swaplist.txt
not enough time to put together another rarity...
will follow soon..
cheers,
klaus http://www.caby.de/Music
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From:
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Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: #1 at Symphonic Electronica at Mp3.com
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If you like Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Jean Michel
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music.
You can check another new electronic artist at :
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From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 8:32
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] #1 at Symphonic Electronica at Mp3.com
Thalassa can kiss my ass, I just banned cyberpromoter from
both the tadream and tangerinedream lists. :-p The second
spam was the charm.
Joel
On Sunday, November 05, 2000 2:32 PM, cyberpromoter cyberpromoter cyberpromoter
[SMTP:cyberpromoter@m...] wrote:
> Hello :
> Thalassa is now #1 at Symphonic Electronica since
> 20 days ago at Mp3.com. You can check his music at :
>
> http://www.mp3.com/thalassa
>
> If you like Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Jean Michel
> Jarre, Kraftwerk, Klus Schulze etc you'll like his
> music.
>
> You can check another new electronic artist at :
>
> http://www.mp3.com/thegrilalone
>
> Thanks for all.
>
>
From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 8:41
pm
Subject: Sv: [tadream] tours
David,
I totally agrre with you. It would be nice to see the band in this part of the
world. I'm sure that sweden can find a suitable place. I can't think of any in
Denmark, but sweden has got some great places, I'm told.
TD get your act together and come see the nice scandinavia :o)
Poul
> It is a shame for people in Scandinavia that TD have not played there. I
hope they do. I have been suprised by the countries TD have played.
> David
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2000 10:47
am
Subject: E- Live
Can someone tell me when and where the E-Live and Alpha Festivals usually
are?
From:
'Scott'
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 3:17
am
Subject: Re: OT: OT
>Yeah! Do yourself (and us) a favor and tape it! The band is totally cool
>with this and really would like copies...I just sent one off to their
I'm taping! Analog, though.
Scott
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 5:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] #1 at Symphonic Electronica at Mp3.com
An awful lot of e-mails here for music that hardly sounds like TD.
>From: 'cyberpromoter cyberpromoter cyberpromoter'
>
>Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com
>To: tadream@egroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] #1 at Symphonic Electronica at Mp3.com
>Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:32:00 +100
>
>Hello :
> Thalassa is now #1 at Symphonic Electronica since
>20 days ago at Mp3.com. You can check his music at :
>
> http://www.mp3.com/thalassa
>
>If you like Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Jean Michel
>Jarre, Kraftwerk, Klus Schulze etc you'll like his
>music.
>
> You can check another new electronic artist at :
>
> http://www.mp3.com/thegrilalone
>
>Thanks for all.
>
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From:
RyanKCR@J...
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 4:20
am
Subject: D:Live [ Soundmill Navigator]
Hi all,
I love Soundmill Navigator. Although I like it all I really enjoy it
starting at around the 12 minute mark to the 35 minute mark. The best 10
seconds for me occur around 16:10. I do hear the new added stuff from
2000 but since I never heard it before I'm not complaining. I have
waiting for a long time for a longer sequenced track from TD. I started
listening to them around 1991. A friend from my church introduced me to
them by way of his college records. I then scrambled to find what I
could get of their stuff. I have just about every album and still I want
more. SN was a great gem to get. I hope Edgar releases more from the
seventies. I would love to have more of that era. I heard two clips
from what has been called 'Live: Improvised' and would love to have that
one as well. I know that one is not official but it is more of what I
enjoy listening to.
Mike
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He said, 'This much.' and streached out His arms and died
on a cross for me.'
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From:
Chris Richards
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 5:52
am
Subject: Re: Who used lasers first?
<>
I believe The Who and Blue Öyster Cult might have
been the first two bands to use lasers, in 75.
Yes used lasers in 76, and I believe Steve Miller
was the other one I heard about using them at
that time. Cours, TD did use lasers in 77 (as
depicted on the cover of Encore), so I guess it's
fair say they were 'one of the first'.
=====
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From:
'Patrik .'
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 1:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Who used lasers first?
...and Genesis had lasers during their 1977 world-tour.
//Patrik, Stockholm
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 10:16
am
Subject: Re: Who cares whether girls like TD?
>10 reasons why it's better if your 'bidie-in' likes the
>same music as you do (in no particular order):
One more comes to mind: it might be at a TD concert that you meet
the person who'll become your significant other.
Happened to me twice ! Once with TD in Berlin 1987, another time
at a Mike Oldfield fan convention in 1996, the result of which
you can see on my homepage ;-)))
The friend who organised obove mentioned convention used to
fill his desire for female companionship entirely from his
M.O. activities for 15 years !
Common musical taste is as good an opportunity to meet
'someone' as any other social activity.
cheers,
klaus
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 5:11
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD?
On Sunday, November 05, 2000 12:32 PM, David Foster
[SMTP:fozziebear@b...] wrote:
>
> Joel Mullen said One thing that puzzles me whenever this 'TD and girls'
> thread comes up. Why is it so important to have a girlfriend/wife who likes
> TD? When you live in the same house, drive in the same car it is nice to be
> able to listen to the same music (until you have kids anyway)
>
> I agree with you. But ask yourself the same question in a few years time
> and see what answer you give.
>
> David
>
>
David-
I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean that in the long run
having seperate interests is good for a relationship? I do agree, but if the
wife has 'veto power' what room/time is there to enjoy things that only
you like? I have been married for 6 1/2 years (lived together 1 1/2 years
before that) with a 2 1/2 year old and one more on the way. My wife and
I have alot of common ground that we agree on and like, but sometimes
I wish she would appreciate some of things that I like. (she REFUSES
to watch black and white movies, British sit-coms and shows (except for
Mr Bean) and prefers to not even listen to music at home 'I just can't
think with that on') It just wears on you after a while and I don't imagine
that waiting a few more years to ask the question will make me feel that
diversity of tastes is a good thing. I think opposites attract, but in the
long run it is similarities that keep relationships together.
Regards,
Joel
From:
Glynn Naughton
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 7:26
pm
Subject: TD's popularity
>I guess if TD did tour most of mainland Europe or US there would be a big
turn out.
>
>Just look what happened at the London gig that became Valentine Wheels. I
only managed to get a standing ticket.
>
>There were people there from all over. I got to talk to some guy from the
US. I am not sure who he was. Hello whoever >you were. It didn't sound
as if he had had a good flight and he watched the whole concert with ear
plugs in. Near to me >were people from Germany. Was that you Klaus
Beschorner next to the sound desk?
>
>David
The London gig (I was there too) was very much the exception on the '97
tour. I was also at the Manchester show and there were only about 150 of us
in a 2000-seat theatre. Same for all the other provincial shows on that tour
as well, I believe. TD must have lost a packet because they'd clearly spent
a lot of money on the stage design.
I'll be amazed if they ever attempt a full-blown tour here in the UK again
after that. It wouldn't make any finiancial sense unless they were willing
to play in pubs. Also from the emotional point of view: I know that Edgar
often says that he doesn't care whether people like TD's music, but the
guy's only human. It must hurt to see a few people huddled pathetically in
front of the stage, framed by hundreds and hundreds of empty seats,
especially in venues that you would have sold out 15 years ago. Why put
yourself through that? If the UK is an index to their popularity throughout
the world, I think that all we'll see from here on in is the odd one-off
show.
Glynn
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From:
'Craig Cordrey'
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 7:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 692
>From: 'Frank Arellano'
>Subject: E- Live
>Can someone tell me when and where the E-Live and Alpha Festivals usually
>are?
Frank,
You just missed the E-Live - it was in October (can't remember actual date).
Alfa is held in March/April (again, can't remember actual date for next
year). Rick Wakeman is the headline act next year at Alfa. Can't remember
where it is, either, as they have moved out of Huizen to a larger venue.
E-Live is normally at Nijmegen - both in Holland.
Not much help, but maybe a start?
All the best,
Craig Cordrey
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 9:43
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 692
> >From: 'Frank Arellano'
> >Subject: E- Live
>
> >Can someone tell me when and where the E-Live and Alpha Festivals usually
> >are?
More info at:
http://www.stichting-crew.nl for E-Live
http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions for Alfa
Marcel
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 7:58
pm
Subject: lasers
I got to see the lasers on the 1978 Cyclone tour. It was a really good show.
I hope I can see a show like that again.
David
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From:
'David Foster'
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 8:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD's popularity
----- Original Message -----
From: Glynn Naughton
To:
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:26 PM
Subject: [tadream] TD's popularity
>
> >I guess if TD did tour most of mainland Europe or US there would be a big
> turn out.
> >
> >Just look what happened at the London gig that became Valentine Wheels.
I
> only managed to get a standing ticket.
> >
> >There were people there from all over. I got to talk to some guy from
the
> US. I am not sure who he was. Hello whoever >you were. It didn't
sound
> as if he had had a good flight and he watched the whole concert with ear
> plugs in. Near to me >were people from Germany. Was that you Klaus
> Beschorner next to the sound desk?
> >
> >David
>
> The London gig (I was there too) was very much the exception on the '97
> tour. I was also at the Manchester show and there were only about 150 of
us
> in a 2000-seat theatre. Same for all the other provincial shows on that
tour
> as well, I believe. TD must have lost a packet because they'd clearly
spent
> a lot of money on the stage design.
>
> I'll be amazed if they ever attempt a full-blown tour here in the UK again
> after that. It wouldn't make any finiancial sense unless they were willing
> to play in pubs. Also from the emotional point of view: I know that Edgar
> often says that he doesn't care whether people like TD's music, but the
> guy's only human. It must hurt to see a few people huddled pathetically in
> front of the stage, framed by hundreds and hundreds of empty seats,
> especially in venues that you would have sold out 15 years ago. Why put
> yourself through that? If the UK is an index to their popularity
throughout
> the world, I think that all we'll see from here on in is the odd one-off
> show.
>
> Glynn
>
Are we talking the same London gig? I had to stand at the London Shepherd's
Bush gig in 1996. I went to the Bristol 1997 show and there were empty
seats. Did they play London in 1997? Can anyone with that concert list
tell us the venues in 1997?
Thanks.
David
David
>
>
>
From:
'Phil Wingfield'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 12:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] lasers
> I got to see the lasers on the 1978 Cyclone tour. It was a really good
show. I hope I can see a show like that again.
> David
Did you go to the Hammersmith Odeon?
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 12:53
am
Subject: 1997 UK tour dates
Hi all,
The tour dates in the UK during 1997 were (according to the flyer)...
29 Oct, - Bristol Colston Hall
30 Oct. - Nottingham Royal Concert Hall
01 Nov. - Glasgow Royal Concert Hall
02 Nov. - Leeds Town & Country Club
03 Nov. - Birmingham Symphony Hall
04 Nov. - Manchester Apollo
06 Nov. - London Shepherd's Bush Empire
Of the ones I went to...
Nottingham was maybe just over half full. Balcony was open but there were
more empty seats than people.
Leeds was pretty packed, but then it was standing only and it's not the
biggest of venues. The balcony was closed as well.
Birmingham was reasonably full, but doesn't have a huge capacity anyway.
Manchester - only the stalls were open, which were about two-thirds full at
a guess.
As for Shepherd's Bush in 1996, I remember hearing that this gig was
virtually sold-out, and that place holds about 2000 people. Like someone on
the list said, it might be that we'll just get very small tours in the
future, of only a couple of gigs. The days of 20-date tours in the UK are
long gone.
- Chris
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 3:56
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] tours
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Foster [mailto:fozziebear@b...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 12:21 PM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] tours
>
>
> Just look what happened at the London gig that became Valentine
> Wheels. I only managed to get a standing ticket.
>
> There were people there from all over. I got to talk to some
> guy from the US. I am not sure who he was. Hello whoever you
> were.
>It didn't sound as if he had had a good flight and he
> watched the whole concert with ear plugs in.
It could have been me, if it was the 1996, not the 1997 show... I had flown
in from the US and had ear plugs in...Haha... I was on the main floor ,
center near the back...
> Near to me were
> people from Germany. Was that you Klaus Beschorner next to the
> sound desk?
>
> L>
> David
>
>
From:
'David Foster'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 5:44
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] lasers
No on that tour just Liverpool March 26, 1978
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Wingfield
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] lasers
>
> > I got to see the lasers on the 1978 Cyclone tour. It was a really good
> show. I hope I can see a show like that again.
> > David
>
> Did you go to the Hammersmith Odeon?
>
>
>
>
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>
From:
'Thomas'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 8:44
am
Subject: Okefenokee Dreams...
Hi,
I just noticed after surfing into the homepage of Synth Music Direct that
Marcel Engels & Dave Brewer's recording 'Okefenokee Dreams' is number one
on the sales chart! Just wanted to congratulate to selling better than
'Seven Letters from Tibet'.... :)
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
Thomas,
Helsingborg, Sweden
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From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 11:30
am
Subject: TDs lack of promoting concerts
Don't know if anyone else agrees, but I've always thought that TDs
promotion of concerts over the past few years has been crap. Going
back to the last two concerts in the uk:
Shepherds Bush 1996 - I don't recall this getting any mention in any
music press, even in high profile music magazines like 'Q', which
always has live gig listings every month. You'd have thought that a
first-in-six-years-one-off concert would have been worth promoting -
even a simple two-liner in something like Q's live gigs guide. How I
found out about it? Pure chance. A phone call to an EM cd mailing
store in Scotland, who casually mentioned that yes, they had the td
release I was looking for and 'by the way, we think they're playing
in four weeks time at Shepherds Bush'
UK Tour 1997, Glasgow - Again, I don't remember any coverage or
promotion by the band in the uk press at all. How I found out about
it? I just happened to be taking a shortcut thru' the Glasgow Concert
Hall one day, saw a poster of forthcoming concerts and spotted that
the band was playing in five weeks time. Someone I met at the concert
said that they'd only found out about them playing the week before,
when the Concert Hall ran a small ad in one of the local papers.
Ok, TD doesn't have the record label backing that it used to, or
maybe the energy to do the regular tours it once did, but if it
continues with this low-promotion profile, and uses it's website as
the main or only promotion vehicle, it's maybe not surprising if
concerts like Glasgow and Ground Liftaz are only half-full.
Anyone else think the same?
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 11:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDs lack of promoting concerts
I agree in that I found through word of mouth that Tangerine Dream were
playing Manchester on the last tour. 1997, feels so long ago.
Also, as others have pointed out, the audience was not so much a crowd as a
trickle.
Maybe after that disaster that was Manchester, and apparently other venues.
means we may never see them for some time.
Derek
From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 12:03
pm
Subject: Re: TD's popularity
--- In tadream@egroups.com, Glynn Naughton wrote:
If the UK is an index to their popularity throughout the world, I
think that all we'll see from here on in is the odd one-off show.
>>> Good comments and observations from Glynn. I was at the Glasgow
and Manchester 97 concerts and remember feeling pretty dejected - and
sorry for the band - by the low audience numbers. The point was that
the band deserved much, much better **but it was their own fault**.
If the whole tour had had a better promotional profile, I've no doubt
that the turn-outs would have been much higher. Check out in my
separate posting how I found out about the concerts and what someone
I met at the Glasgow concert also said. The band missed a real
opportunity to get new interest - and longevity - going with them.
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 11:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD? Veto power and compatability
Veto power, Joel ? :-) I'd like to believe that they only have as much
power over you as you let them . Take for instance that beautiful big
breasted girl I saw at the bar last night, she probably thought that she
could have had me *anytime* she wanted to. WRONG!!! Well, on
reconsideration maybe this isn't the best example :-) Here I am
propagating the myth on why women think they can control us weak men. :-)
And it is a myth too, atleast in my case it is! Because I would have made
her wait :-)
This issue on who cares whether the women in our lives like TD or
electronic music as in my case, ties in with compatability. This is
especially true for some of us who spend *huge* amounts of money and time on
our music. What good does all this music do if you can't even listen to it
and enjoy our lives. I'm sorry, but I'm not all that crazy about the idea of
putting headphones on either. But I understand why some of you might have
to. I wouldn't want to hear a woman bitch either! :-) [Men will do just
about anything just so they won't have to hear it. Just another means of
breaking us down and making us weaker to succumb to their will :-) Just
kidding, on the latter part anyways :-)] Is this what you meant by 'it wears
on you', Joel? :-)
One thing I have to agree on with some of the TD wives and that's on the
issue of 'collecting', when does it end? If they only knew just how much
money we actually have spent on our music collections some of us would be
divorced or dead :-) I actually kept track of my expenditures that were
music related for over two years and I was *amazed* at just how much money I
had spent on my collection. Had I guessed the amount, I would have been no
where near the amount. I could have been driving around in a new vehicle!
So in all fairness to them, I would have to say that some of us or maybe
even many of us are not only guilty of being a little obsessive, but maybe
of being a little selfish too. So the next time when they want another
diamond ring to match, buy them it. It might cost them few tricks [back
flips, toe touches and the sort], but hey, your worth it too :-) Food for
thought.
From: 'Joel Mullen'
To:
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD?
>
>
> On Sunday, November 05, 2000 12:32 PM, David Foster
[SMTP:fozziebear@b...] wrote:
> >
> > Joel Mullen said One thing that puzzles me whenever this 'TD and girls'
> > thread comes up. Why is it so important to have a girlfriend/wife who
likes
> > TD? When you live in the same house, drive in the same car it is nice
to be
> > able to listen to the same music (until you have kids anyway)
> >
> > I agree with you. But ask yourself the same question in a few years
time
> > and see what answer you give.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
>
> David-
> I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean that in the long run
> having seperate interests is good for a relationship? I do agree, but if
the
> wife has 'veto power' what room/time is there to enjoy things that only
> you like? I have been married for 6 1/2 years (lived together 1 1/2 years
> before that) with a 2 1/2 year old and one more on the way. My wife and
> I have alot of common ground that we agree on and like, but sometimes
> I wish she would appreciate some of things that I like. (she REFUSES
> to watch black and white movies, British sit-coms and shows (except for
> Mr Bean) and prefers to not even listen to music at home 'I just can't
> think with that on') It just wears on you after a while and I don't
imagine
> that waiting a few more years to ask the question will make me feel that
> diversity of tastes is a good thing. I think opposites attract, but in
the
> long run it is similarities that keep relationships together.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joel
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 2:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Who cares whether girls like TD? Veto power and compatability
Frank Arellano wrote:
> If they only knew just how much money we actually have spent on our music
> collections some of us would be divorced or dead :-)
~LOL~!!!
I remember that 2 or 3 years ago I told my wife that since I started to collect
albums and cd's (since the early 80's) I spent about 50.000 DM (ca. US$22.000)
only for music. Never ever will I forget that look on her face ;-) I think she
replied something like 'if you wouldn't have spent all this money we could live
in our own house instead of living in a rented flat!'
Yup..being married to a TD diehard can be cruel sometimes ;-)
Heiko
From:
'Patrick L'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 3:20
pm
Subject: Re: TDs lack of promoting concerts
--- In tadream@egroups.com, 'colin anderson'
wrote:
Don't know if anyone else agrees, but I've always thought that TDs
promotion of concerts over the past few years has been crap.
Well, now Edgar is in total control through TDI regarding the music,
but when it comes to promoting concerts it seems that TDI hasn´t
got the strength.
Or could it be that TD always wanted to appear as a obscure and
mysterious bunch of musicians?
Which imo doesn´t help much if you´re into selling music.
Patrik, Stockholm, Suedois
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 3:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDs lack of promoting concerts
Don't know if anyone else agrees, but I've always thought that TDs
promotion of concerts over the past few years has been crap.
Well, now Edgar is in total control through TDI regarding the music,
but when it comes to promoting concerts it seems that TDI hasn´t
got the strength.
Or could it be that TD always wanted to appear as a obscure and
mysterious bunch of musicians?
**************************************************
I think the problem is in the promotion too, but how do independents get the
promotion the need to establish a large following? They tour relentlessly!
They do alot of live 'free' stuff, like radio and webcasts. They allow fans
to tape shows and trade shows to spread the music. Look at Phish and any
number of the jambands...playing much less original or exciting music but
building large followings of cultish fans. Why? Because the fans sense
that they can get value for their money. But too, the bands are hungrier.
Maybe with the retention of all their publishing dollars, TDI isn't as
hungry, and probably Edgar is way too old to do this non-stop touring thing,
but look at what Yes is still doing. They have been nonstop touring for
over 3 years now of the Americas and Europe. And they are old farts too.
But they understand that in order to keep an audience they have to get in
the audience's face. And do it continuously...music is not just about
sitting in a studio and cranking out a ton of inferior releases (relative to
capabilities, not the industry in general). Just some random thoughts....
Craig
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 3:24
pm
Subject: tours
>Near to me were people from Germany.
>Was that you Klaus Beschorner next to the sound desk?
Njet. Of the 1997 tour, I only saw Stuttgart, Munich and
Frankfurt. The latter two were full venues, but Filderstadt
was not well attended. Plus, it was not a good concert,
obviously, the band was not fully warmed up yet. Plus,
my DAT failed after 15 min :-(((
cheers,
klaus
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 3:40
pm
Subject: TD's promotion
>Ok, TD doesn't have the record label backing that it used to, or
>maybe the energy to do the regular tours it once did, but if it
>continues with this low-promotion profile, and uses it's website as
>the main or only promotion vehicle, it's maybe not surprising if
>concerts like Glasgow and Ground Liftaz are only half-full.
I think you're mixing up a few things here that'd better be
looked at seperately.
The way the business works, a band signs up with a tour
orgnaisation company ('promoter'), who's supposed to
organize everything, halls, hotels, transport and, of
course, advertisement. I dare say, that in the past 20 years
TD hasn't been able to get any really good and professional
promoters interested in them. They just don't smell like
big bucks...
That in itself is a problem (and not easy to solve, unless
they change to a Micheal Jackson style - and do we want that ?)
Generally, it's TD's (ake Edgar & Jerome) job to make the
music, and TDI's (Martin & co.) to promote and sell it.
Also, I don't think a dance event, where Jerome just DJs
some Maxi singles, can be compared to a live concert
(yeah, I know, some of you think the only difference is
more people on the stage ;-)
Where you really do have a point is that TDI relies too much
on the websites. I think, they grossly over-estimate the
percentage of their existing and potential fan base that's
actually connected. As an example, less than 30% of the
late 'Dream Collector''s subscribers were/are on the net!
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 5:06
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams...
> From: Thomas [mailto:t.h.o.m.a.s@t...]
>
> I just noticed after surfing into the homepage of Synth Music Direct that
> Marcel Engels & Dave Brewer's recording 'Okefenokee Dreams' is number one
> on the sales chart! Just wanted to congratulate to selling better than
> 'Seven Letters from Tibet'.... :)
>
> CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
Thanks!
I didn't know at what place (or a place at all) we were
when I saw this email.
I'm glad we decided to make an official release of it
instead of a CDR...
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee
mengels@w...
No promotion, no touring (okay playing at Okefenokee)...
From:
olle.rundgren@s...
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 4:52
pm
Subject: D: studio [Great Wall of China]
Not a positive review, so if positivism is Your bag, skip this and go to the
next message. However if you are seeking the truth...
--- -- - -- --- -- - -- --- -- - -- --- -- - -- ---
A decade after Destination Berlin - another bottom mark by TD.
The title is so intriguing, I expected something new, TD with an Asian
influence...but no, nothing like it.
Not one track stands out from the rest.
I've given it more than a fair try but everytime it is so difficult to stay
awake. An hour can seem awfully long at times. There is something in the
penultimate track that makes me react, a little glimpse of a promise, not
even long enough to make me understand why I reacted at all.
The only good thing with this album is that the next one is better, I don't
see how the contrary could be possible.
(I haven't heard the letters from Tibet yet for Your info.)
---------------------
..and also
>Thalassa can kiss my ass, I just banned cyberpromoter from
>both the tadream and tangerinedream lists. :-p The second
>spam was the charm.
>Joel
Good move Joel, these mp3.com recommendations found all over are annoying, I
always end up downloading stuff I would be happier without.
Ajöken!
/Olle
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From:
horrod6
Date: Fri Nov 7, 2008 9:50
pm
Subject: Re: TDs lack of promoting concerts
Colin wrote:
> > Don't know if anyone else agrees, but I've always thought that TDs
> > promotion of concerts over the past few years has been crap.
Thinking back to 1997 Glasgow - I found out about this quite some time
beforehand. There was a quarter page advert in the Saturday Guardian's
'The Guide' showing all the UK dates. I think it only appeared once -
scarcely saturation coverage!
The Guardian, for non-Brits, is a national newspaper. The Guide is a
supplement they include on Saturday, with info on what's on all over the
UK. It's one eighth broadsheet size, so a quarter page is a pretty small
advert.
But I'll keep looking there for the next one - even until I'm 120 years
old and I need a magnifying glass to read the print! (But actually I'll
be relying on you guys to give me a 'heads up'.)
LnH
Marion
From:
horrod6
Date: Fri Nov 7, 2008 9:51
pm
Subject: Re: 1997 UK tour dates
Glasgow - only the stalls were open, but they were pretty much packed
out. And as they went offstage to sounds of rapturous applause, Edgar
said 'next time we don't leave it so long'. But then I don't know how
long ago the previous Glasgow concert was, so I still don't know how
long I have to wait till they're back in Scotland again.
I'm sure I could find out from one of you guys' websites, but I haven't
looked - if they hadn't played Glasgow for 20 years, I could still have
15 years to wait: I just don't want to know!
LnH
Marion
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 9:27
pm
Subject: PC tech question
I have a couple of questions regarding audio work on PCs. I've been
thinking about starting from the ground up on a new computer and was
wondering if there would be any advantages or disadvantages to using a
redundant hard drive system, i.e. one that's mirrored like RAID for audio
work? I'd use it primarily for transferring analog tapes to wav format and
dynamic range expansion, clean-up and such. Also, what about transfers to
CDR from said wav files--would a redundant system reduce problems and/or add
new ones?
Wondering,
--T
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From:
'Gary Jenkins'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 10:10
pm
Subject: RE.lack of promotion
I hate to say this but I did not know TD had toured in 97 until I got
Tournado,I have seen them live three times at the Oxford Apollo
finding out through the local newspaper but they did not play this
venue so I missed out totally If I had known I would most definately
have gone to Nottingham or London,just wish I had got my computer
earlier.
Cheers from a heartbroken Gary.
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 10:21
pm
Subject: t7LfT - tracklist
I am sorry for asking this question so late after release, however, my
question on the subject of Seven Letters is this: the third track on Quinoa
extended is described as '....the first movement from the 'Tibetian Cycle'
by TD. This cycle contains six other movements which are unreleased so
far.' Um...is Seven Letters supposed to be the entire 'Cycle'? The track
time for Lhasa is considerably longer that 'the first movement' of the
Seven Letters CD. And to my partially damaged, old, tired and worn-out ears
the music does not match anything on Seven Letters.
I have never been described as the sharpest knife in the drawer so please
teach me if I am missing something.
Thanks, Neal
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 11:46
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] t7LfT - tracklist
Hi, Neal
> I am sorry for asking this question so late after release, however, my
> question on the subject of Seven Letters is this: the third track
> on Quinoa
> extended is described as '....the first movement from the 'Tibetian Cycle'
> by TD. This cycle contains six other movements which are unreleased so
> far.' Um...is Seven Letters supposed to be the entire 'Cycle'? The track
> time for Lhasa is considerably longer that 'the first movement' of the
> Seven Letters CD. And to my partially damaged, old, tired and
> worn-out ears
> the music does not match anything on Seven Letters.
>
> I have never been described as the sharpest knife in the drawer so please
> teach me if I am missing something.
Not really. Lhasa (the third track on Quinoa) has become the second part of
the fifth movement (The Blue Pearl, I believe). There are about five minutes
of newer material, and then it launches into the Lhasa part (with
unfortunately not much subtlety -- low point of the album IMHO).
Hope that helps,
Jared
P. S. *Great* album otherwise -- even if it might not be your cup 'o tea,
it's worth getting just for the best moments, IMHO.
From:
Winston Edmond
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 11:27
pm
Subject: Re: TDs lack of promoting concerts
'colin anderson' wrote:
> Don't know if anyone else agrees, but I've always thought that TDs
> promotion of concerts over the past few years has been crap.
I have the impression that it goes back further than that. I think it
was 1988 when one day I found out TD had played in the Boston area a few
days before and I hadn't known anything about it. In fact, it was right
afterward that I joined the (old, now defunct) tadream mailing list, so
that I'd know about any tours beforehand. :-)
-WBE
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 12:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDs lack of promoting concerts
I've given up trying to understand Edgar or Tangerine Dream. Partly, they've
been screwed by labels, partly, they either don't know what to do, or know what
to do but either don't want to or can't afford it. The artist's perogative and
pride define TD these days.
Anything can be marketed and produced and sold like crazy. When you mention
Tangerine Dream to a handful of strangers, you might get someone who knows
Phaedra or Exit. If the word got out that a stack of archival material is
coming out in a box or separately you'd get people to line up for it. There
could be a million reasons why Sohoman, Antique Dreams, and Soundmill Navigator
have not sold:
* People research/read websites, the guestbook, and this list and find out
they're doctored
* Absolutely no promotion or advertising
* Distribution in the US is abysmal, average of 5-10 TD CDs in most stores, and
TDI releases are more expensive than when they were under labels
* The 1974-1987 fans of TD gave up looking in the bins years ago
* No concerts in the US since 1992 means no new TD listeners
* Packaging and artwork are uninteresting/subpar and full of typos
And as for concerts, who's the audience? Fans of 90's and 2000 Tangerine Dream
music who have already heard about the concert somewhere.
-Morgan
P.S. I tried AGAIN (6th time) to muddle through Comet's Figure Head on Mars
Polaris. It has its moments, but this is no Poland.
----- Original Message -----
From: Winston Edmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:44 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Re: TDs lack of promoting concerts
'colin anderson' wrote:
> Don't know if anyone else agrees, but I've always thought that TDs
> promotion of concerts over the past few years has been crap.
I have the impression that it goes back further than that. I think it
was 1988 when one day I found out TD had played in the Boston area a few
days before and I hadn't known anything about it. In fact, it was right
afterward that I joined the (old, now defunct) tadream mailing list, so
that I'd know about any tours beforehand. :-)
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 12:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDs lack of promoting concerts
Feldon Feldon wrote:
> Anything can be marketed and produced and sold like crazy.
That's certainly true. Just look at Moby's album Play, which was mostly an
underground hit until the label licensed every song on the album for use in
various advertisements, T.V. series, and movie soundtracks. Then it went Top
10. Same thing with Michael Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells' back in 1973. I think
much of TD's success in the 80s and early 90s was likewise due to their
appearance on
dozens of soundtracks. And I think that their low public profile right now is
due more to their departure from Hollywood than a lack of touring. You have to
prime the pump before you tour anyway. If they decided to do a quickie tour of
small venues in North America right now, I wouldn't expect there to be much
interest from sponsors or audiences...unless they wanted to lean hard on their
Pink
Floydian roots, in which case desperate fans of the Floyd might show up.
> * Absolutely no promotion or advertising
Definitely a problem. And they're releasing so much stuff too, with nothing to
differentiate each new release. They also look rather cheap, and in some cases
(like Antique Dreams) damn ugly. They could be fan-created covers for bootleg
recordings. And the albums are, if you ask me, mostly subpar. The casual
listener who picks up Great Wall of China or 7 Letters From Tibet is not, in my
opinion, going to be won over to the band. But I don't see casual listeners
plopping down the equivilant of 22 dollars U.S. for one of these albums,
without having had a chance to hear them first. I think they should really
make an effort to sell Dream Mixes 3, especially if it's as good as it sounds.
It could appeal to both new and old fans.
--
SEAN MONTGOMERY
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Scott'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 12:59
am
Subject: Re: Concert promotion
Assuming they'll ever tour again, they ought to have locals folks do the
promotion, in exchange for free tickets & CD's. As for running print ads,
that would be a bit difficult.
Scott
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From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 2:45
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] t7LfT - tracklist
Thank you for the response Jared. I was planning on getting 7LFT anyway. I
will eventually own everything I can by Tangerine Dream. Don't get me
wrong, I am not one of these fans that has to have everything 'Because
EVERYTHING is absolutely outstanding.' I will own everything because I am a
fan and I believe everything has its place in a collection when you talk
about their career as a whole. Their music was once described as an
experimental journey. And each and every release is a part of that journey.
Even EM and Cyclone, which personally I cannot stand, get played from time
to time to remind myself of that experiment and journey. Now, if The Tangs
become a 'club band' composing club music instead of the old electronic
experiments, I will still collect their music (I happen to like club music,
as it turns out) But it will NOT be the old Tangerine Dream for me.
Again, Jared, I thank you for the explanation.
Neal
> Not really. Lhasa (the third track on Quinoa) has become the second part
of
> the fifth movement (The Blue Pearl, I believe). There are about five
minutes
> of newer material, and then it launches into the Lhasa part (with
> unfortunately not much subtlety -- low point of the album IMHO).
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Jared
>
> P. S. *Great* album otherwise -- even if it might not be your cup 'o tea,
> it's worth getting just for the best moments, IMHO.
>
>
>
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 4:31
am
Subject: 7 letters
Hey,
Has there been any consensus formed here in the case of 7 Letters? What does
everyone think?
glenn
From:
'Armin Theissen'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 7:56
am
Subject: concerts...
Last decade I've seen TD at Sheperd's Bush 96, Glasgow 97 and Bonn 97.
If I wouldn't be on the mailing list and wouldn't have the web, I
would never have known about these concerts. Except probably
about the Bonn concert in case I would still live there. I planned
my holidays home in time with the concert, and realised that the
town was full of advertisement for the gig. And the Beethoven Halle
was full!
Sheperds' Bush 96 was a special event as a lot of us list members
had a chance to meet in a nearby pub earlier on. And John Burek
gave me that Aachen 1981 fantape with 14 year old me babbling
all the time (which I didn't knew until I put the tape into my
walkman that night in the hotel).
About TD's popularity:
a few weeks after the Glasgow gig in 1997, we at the Armagh
Observatory in Northern Ireland had a special event occuring every
two years. We present the 'Robinson Medal' (after the archbishop
Robinson who founded the observatory in 1790) to an outstanding
guest of honour who gives a talk to the public, afterwards big
dinner with a couple of other important guests like the town mayor
and the current archbishop etc etc.. This time the award went
to the Astronomer Royal at that time, Prof. Brown from Glasgow
University. We took him to the pub the other night and had a good
chat over a couple of pints of Guinness. All I could tell him about
Glasgow, his home town, was that I've been there once recently
together with three other friends from the observatory to go to a
concert. 'Who played?', the honourable Astronomer Royal asked me,
and I just replied 'ah, just some band doing electronic music'.
He got more interested: 'yeah, but tell me, who was it?' -
'Tangerine Dream' - 'What? Tangerine Dream? Is this Froese chap
still around? Used to love them a lot! Are what about this other
german guy - Holger Czukay - what was their name.. Can!'
armin
From:
'Greg'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 10:04
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] D: studio [Great Wall of China]
This is a great album, some tracks are better than a lot of thier older
stuff.
I'm not going to pick tracks out, but there are many good ones. I must say
though that listening to snipped segments of older tracks from Tangents,
these tracks are much better than snipped longer tracks. I also love the
seeming mixture of older and newer instruments, some of which sound
mid to late 80ish. Also the powerful brassy sound is back which I love!
Greg H.
NP: The U.S. pres. election
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 12:40
pm
Subject: Ground Liftaz website
Hey,
Did you guys notice they have a website for Ground Liftaz? I think it is
www.ground-liftaz.de
There are email adresses there, I contacted someone called DJ Rome (our
'Jerry') and actually got a reply. Dont know if it was Jerome or someone
else, tho.....
glenn
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From:
'TDI - Martin K.'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 1:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] official spam!!!
Hello everyone,
I just wanted to let you know that we have tons of new merchandise
available at
the TDI MUSIC MALL- website:
www.tdi-music-mall.de
Our most notable additions (which will make formidable X-mas- presents, by the
way...):
1. the Ground Liftaz 12'- vinyl bundle
contains:
- 2 x 12' maxis by TDJ Rome (aka Jerome Froese) - athmospheric drum & bass
with
an edge
- 3 x 12' maxis from the upcoming Dream Mixes III- album
all vinyl records are DMM mastered for superior playback quality.
Altogether you get this extraordinary package for only USD 50 (incl. p&p).
This bundle is strictly limited to 350 copies. Of each record, only 500 pc.´s
were made (except GL 0005, of which only 430 exist due to a pressing plant
error). So - you have a real collectors item, here.
2. The i-Box:
Tangerine Dream i-Box (1970- 1990)
Just in time for the holiday season, TDI MUSIC are releasing a special treat:
the Tangerine Dream i- Box. For the first time ever, material from all four of
the band´s major creative periods is compiled in one box set. Tracks from the
Pink Years, the Virgin Years, the Blue Years and the Melrose Years are brought
together on six CD´s to form a definitive overview of two decades in the
oeuvre
of a band that shaped the history of popular music. Furthermore, the set
contains unreleased studio and live material, disc six encompassing a complete
live set from Perth. Altogether, this box set is a collection that is a must
for TD- newcomers and diehard fans alike.
Tracklisting:
Disc 1:
1. Alpha Centauri - 3:19
2. Fauni- Gena - 3:58
3. Birth of Liquid Plejades - 4:45
4. White Clouds - 4:24
5. Green Desert - 5:28
6. Astral Voyager - 6:11
7. Indian Summer - 6:42
8. Dolphin Dance - 5:03
9. Underwater Twilight - 5:30
10. Coppercoast - 5:17
11. The Night at Ayers Rock - 3:18
12. Logos (Red Part) - 6:12
13. Monolight - 4:52
14. No Man´s Land - 7:29
Disc 2:
1. Logos (Blue Part) - 5:56
2. Cinnamon Road - 4:14
3. Desert Dream - 4:02
4. Logos (Velvet Part) - 5:08
5. Hyperborea - 8:37
6. Dominion - 4:49
7. Monolight (Yellow Part) - 7:15
8. Volcano - 4:42
9. Ride on a Ray - 5:15
10. Pergamon (Piano Part) - 5:00
11. Tangent - 5:20
12. Central Park - 3:36
13. Barbakane - 4:14
Disc 3:
1. Zen Garden - 4:43
2. Yellowstone Park - 6:10
3. Livemiles (Green Trail Part) - 6:00
4. Gaudi Park - 5:17
5. Alchemy of the Heart - 5:40
6. Song of the Whale (From Dawn) - 4:59
7. Tyger (William Blake Poem) - 5:33
8. Bois de Bologne - 5:14
9. Poland - 9:10
10. Livemiles (San Buena Ventura) - 5:12
11. Song of the Whale (to Dusk) - 5:57
12. The Cliffs of Sydney - 5:42
Disc 4:
1. Warsaw in the Sun (live) - 4:55
2. Polish Dance (live) - 5:00
3. Melrose (live) - 5:50
4. Electric Lion (live) - 8:17
5. Longing for Cashba - 7:50
6. Cool at Heart (live) - 6:10
7. Sungate (live) - 4:40
8. Marakesh (live) - 8:26
9. Ivory Town - 4:45
10. Cat Scan (live) - 5:39
11. Ghazal (live) - 5:07
12. The Midnight Trail (live) - 5:51
Disc 5:
1. Too Hot for my Chinchilla (live) - 3:48
2. Unicorn Saga (live) - 4:05
3. Lily on the Beach (live) - 4:08
4. Storm Seekers - 5:35
5. Mount Shasta (live) - 4:27
6. Exit (live) - 4:37
7. Akash Deep - 7:20
8. Crystal Curfew (live) - 5:04
9. Cool Shibuya - 3:45
10. Alaskan Summer (live) - 3:40
11. Long Island Sunset (live) - 7:00
12. Rolling Down Cahuenga (live) - 6:40
13. Iguana (live) - 5:35
Disc 6:
1. Dream Yards (live in Perth) - 46:10
Altogether, you will get this extraordinary package from us for only USD 50
(incl. p&p).
Visit our official website:
www.tdi-music-mall.de
or
www.ground-liftaz.de
for infos on our club culture activites.
Thanks for reading!
Take care and happy X- mas!!!!!!!
Best regards,
Martin K.
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdi-music-mall.de
Have a nice day!
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 2:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] official spam!!!
TDI - Martin K. wrote:
> 1. the Ground Liftaz 12'- vinyl bundle
> contains:
> - 2 x 12' maxis by TDJ Rome (aka Jerome Froese) - athmospheric drum & bass
> with an edge
> - 3 x 12' maxis from the upcoming Dream Mixes III- album
>
> Altogether you get this extraordinary package for only USD 50 (incl. p&p).
Whoa.....
I bought the 5 maxis at the 'Ground Liftaz' gig for 80 DM which is about
US$35-37...but they sell it here inclusive of postage costs so I think US$50 is
a
more than reasonable price. I wonder how much of these maxis are still left for
sale...because at the 'Ground Liftaz' gig I bought 13 copies of each of these
maxi
singles :-B
Heiko
From:
'Erik Sanborn'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 2:32
pm
Subject: Re: TDs lack of promoting concerts
At 01:01 PM 11/08/2000 +0000, you wrote:
> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:27 EST
> From: Winston Edmond
>
>'colin anderson' wrote:
> > Don't know if anyone else agrees, but I've always thought that TDs
> > promotion of concerts over the past few years has been crap.
>
>I have the impression that it goes back further than that. I think it
>was 1988 when one day I found out TD had played in the Boston area a few
>days before and I hadn't known anything about it. In fact, it was right
>afterward that I joined the (old, now defunct) tadream mailing list, so
>that I'd know about any tours beforehand. :-)
> -WBE
Yeah, not much promotion for the 1988 Boston show. Naturally, I missed it.
Promotion for the 1992 show was better and I attribute this to Miramar and
the Grammy Award nominations. However, there were quite a few empty seats
at the venue. Still, neither show was promoted as well as the '86
Underwater Sunlight tour. I saw ads in the paper and even heard about it on
the now defunct 'New Visions' television program on VH-1.
-Erik
From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...>
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 3:05
pm
Subject: I Box and 12's sold on TDI
Hi folks,
TDI just updated the website and now takes order of the I-Box as well as the
5 x 12' singles. I-Box as 6 CDs is sold at US$50; the 5 12' singles as a
package is also sold at the same price. Isn't it good news?? 8-)
Jeffrey
From:
'Eberly DE (Daniel)'
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 4:03
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 695
Is there source for this album in the USA? If not, what is the website
address for Synth Music Direct?
I have heard so much about the CDR (and now the CD !) and I would love to
purchase it.
--Dan
> I just noticed after surfing into the homepage of Synth Music Direct that
> Marcel Engels & Dave Brewer's recording 'Okefenokee Dreams' is number one
> on the sales chart! Just wanted to congratulate to selling better than
> 'Seven Letters from Tibet'.... :)
>
> CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
Thanks!
I didn't know at what place (or a place at all) we were
when I saw this email.
I'm glad we decided to make an official release of it
instead of a CDR...
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee
mengels@w...
No promotion, no touring (okay playing at Okefenokee)...
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From:
David Brewer
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 8:19
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 695 (Okefenokee CD)
You wrote:
> Is there source for this album in the USA? If not, what is the website
> address for Synth Music Direct?
>
> I have heard so much about the CDR (and now the CD !) and I would love to
> purchase it.
>
> --Dan
Hi Dan!
Thank you for your interest in Okefenokee Dreams! You can get it from Groove
(www.groove.nl), or Synth Music Direct (www.synthmusicdirect.com), or from
Eurock (www.eurock.com). The last place is in the US. Of the three companies,
I've so far got stuff from Groove only, and am very pleased with the service,
even though they are so far away. Also, I may have a spare copy or two to
offer,
if you don't want to deal with any of those companies, but contact me off-list
of course! :-)
Dave B. (gotta get back to work!)
p.s. - if you can, you should try to join us for the next Okefenokee gathering!
(April 2001) :-)
From:
Bennett Cookson
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 10:38
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Concert promotion
> Assuming they'll ever tour again, they ought to have locals folks do the
promotion, in exchange for free tickets & CD's.
great idea!
Any idea how much it would cost to bring TD to USA?
I mean how much in concert proceeds does it take to make it worth the trip?
--Bennett
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 1:04
am
Subject: Mars Polaris
Morgan,
I find it hard to believe when some people say they didn't like Comet's
Figure Head. What did you think of Spiral Star and Astrophobia?
Frank Arellano
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 2:03
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Mars Polaris
> I find it hard to believe when some people say they didn't like Comet's
> Figure Head. What did you think of Spiral Star and Astrophobia?
My all-time favs are probably tracks 2 and 3. Classic stuff!
Regards,
Jared
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 5:29
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Mars Polaris
Ok, listening to track 2, Rim of Schiaparelli. It recycles every element and
sound I've heard over the last 8 years (Even many sequences). I guess I
shouldn't fault this because I liked older TD for the sounds they used and
continued to use from album to album. I guess it would help if I thought a
single one of these samples were compelling and that I'd want to use one of
them.
The metal twangs, the swirly strings, the little stutter-step flute sound,
the tape-looped beats, more metal twangs, worst of all the damn tambourine.
None of the sounds in here interest me. The twist at 4:43 is honestly the
only part where a tingle of anticipation went through me. It didn't last
long. And the track ends, having accomplished nothing. Having evolved from
nowhere to nowhere. It sounds like the drum loop ran out, or they forgot to
pay the bill :) I guess when Michael Jackson's video of people morphing came
out, it was time for them to break with TD tradition and stop morphing
sequences into each other, so as not to seem poseurs. I expect SO MUCH MORE
string-wise from TD than they are doing here at 5:30-end.
Ok, track 3, Pilots of the Ether Belt. Again, all with an open mind. See,
I'm at 1:22 and I have no more anticipation now than when the track started
spinning. Why is that? Am I some malformed person? Kick-drum percussion now.
90's TD bell-like melody now. Honestly, so far, I'd have to pick Towards the
Evening Star over this, and the two sound like they're from the same musical
idea. 3:00 transition. Could be good? nope. Just a little semi-silent
interlude that got a -1 on my excitement meter. Hmm, stutter-step bass and
piano at 4:00 could be interesting. Bass annoyingly kicks back in, but then
scurries away just as quickly. Hmm, highlight of the track could be the five
minute mark? This is nice right now. Ok, toss all that aside as we start
another direction.
Very wierd stuff here. Ping-ponging squeegie sound from speaker to speaker
(5:30). If i didn't know any better I'd say my equipment were defective.
5:50-7:15 could stand alone as a decently sequenced song on its own, if it
evolved.
Even though TD is giving us 10 minute tracks, the musical ideas within are
either stretched unnaturally with no evolution, or explored so quickly they
have the life expectancy of a fruit fly. These days, I often hear a 30
second glimmer in the middle of a mediocre track that could be expanded into
a respectable 6 minute piece with proper care and feeding.
Is 9:00-9:45 a tribute to White Eagle? hmm. Unintentional probably.
-Morgan
>From: 'Jared White'
>
> > I find it hard to believe when some people say they didn't like
>Comet's
> > Figure Head. What did you think of Spiral Star and Astrophobia?
>
>My all-time favs are probably tracks 2 and 3. Classic stuff!
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 6:37
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Mars Polaris
Hi, Morgan,
I appreciate the time you took to analyze what you liked/didn't like about
the tracks I mentioned. I admit some of the sounds they used were a bit
overdone/cheesy. However, I *personally* enjoy the music so much I don't
care. There are other tracks on MP I very much *don't* like (such as Deep
Space [Star?] Cruiser -- ugh!), but Rim of S. and Pilots of the Ether Belt
are personal favorites of mine.
No offense, Morgan, but it really does seem to me that you don't really care
for any of TD's music that isn't comprised of long looping but slowly
evolving sequences with various improvised elements worked in as it goes
along. Not that there isn't anything wrong with that (I love that stuff
too!), but I just think there's so much more to TD's music, both now AND
then, than that -- and I find it frustrating that many people (not just
yourself) don't seem to be able to get past that initial facade
stylistically speaking. It's a trend I see in the many classic EM/TD clone
bands around these days. They don't seem to be able to get past the 'long
sequences/improvised elements mixed in' element of older TD. I always
thought the brilliance of TD was not what they did exactly, but actually how
and why they did it. It's just a different mindset, I guess. To me, TD has
NEVER been just 'a band doing long sequences with improvised elements' --
they've been a band making music using primarily sophisticated electronic
musical instruments. What they've done with their instruments exactly has
never mattered to me, as long as the music appealed to me. So far, they
haven't lost me yet.
If modern TD just doesn't appeal to you, Morgan, that's fine with me. I just
think it's a dangerous position to be in to think that there's something
wrong with TD because YOU don't like what they're doing. On the other hand,
I guess you could say it's wrong for me to say there's nothing wrong with TD
because I like what they're doing. Ho hum, well then why don't we just agree
to disagree, OK? :)
Take care,
Jared
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 10:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] PC tech question
RAID is absolutely pointless for what you are describing. As long as you aren't
mixing more than 2 tracks of audio at a time, a regular IDE hard drive is
perfect. Audio uses, at the maximum, 300 kilobytes per second. A Western
Digital, IBM, or Maxtor hard drive you buy today ($100 for a 20 gig) is capable
of sustaining 20 times that speed for hours and hours without interruption.
I do suggest making sure your hard drives are relatively new and of the above 3
brands and that they are on ATA/66 or ATA/100 controllers, each installed on
their own ATA/66 cable (none of this performance-draining Master/Slave
garbage!). You can either add a PCI controller card (Promise makes a good one),
or buy a new motherboard with ATA/66 on it. There is no speed advantage or
benefit to having ATA/66 on the motherboard, or PCI. It's the same.
I'm running each of my 12 and 20 gig Western Digital drives on their own ATA/66
controller cable, connected to a Promise ATA/66 PCI controller card, and my
Plextor 12/10/32 and DVD-ROM eare each on their own ATA/33 cable connected to
the motherboard.
Going from analog tapes to WAV/CD/mp3 with cleanup (I suggest Sonic Foundry
SoundForge 4.5 software and plugins) will require a top-notch tape deck (if you
don't already have one), and a good sound card. Creative Soundblaster (And
Ensoniq clones) have always been *consumer* gear. Maybe their top-level cards
like the Soundblaster Live have improved, but I really don't recommend
Soundblaster *anything*. If you're going to spend money somewhere, maybe a $200
Turtle Beach sound card is in order.
And if you don't already have a CD recorder, I cannot stress enough that there
is only one CD burner worth buying right now. If you have $269, you simply MUST
buy the Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32. It's the FIRST IDE CD burner I will ever
recommend. It's already the most popular new burner and major magazines are
putting it as #1. It is one of the first burners to sport BurnProof technology.
Never again will you see Buffer Underruns when a slow computer or background
task causes the burner to run out of data The burner is capable of stopping and
starting again with no discernable gap, and no negative effect to software or
music CDs. 12x music discs play flawlessly in even the worst car stereos and
cheap little $30 CD players I've tried.
It's also one of the first 10x rewritable drives, providing 1.5 MB per second
recording speed (hell, that's faster than a SCSI Zip or Jaz drive), and it is
also one of the fastest music CD ripping drives out there. It performs DAE at
24x with no loss, copying an entire music CD in 180 seconds.
As for CPU, I've always had to stretch my dollar, so I've always steered clear
of premium processors as the Pentium III and Athlon. They're primarily Gucci
processors, and their 'weaker' cousins can easily be tweaked to match the speed
for a fraction of the price. Many people are running 650 MHz Celeron processors
($120) at 866 MHz and beyond. The best overclock I've heard is the AMD Duron
650 MHz processor ($92) running at 950 MHz on a nice motherboard (Abit for
$160). Of course in the end, it's up to your cash flow. With good ventilation,
proper voltage settings and good motherboard, the above 2 processors blow away
$500 premium processors. If you don't mind living a bit dangerously (I've been
overclocked for 2 years). http://www.tomshardware.com/ and
http://www.overclockers.com/ for more info on this.
----- Original Message -----
From: tei waz
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:30 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com; teiwazbarana@h...
Subject: [tadream] PC tech question
I have a couple of questions regarding audio work on PCs. I've been
thinking about starting from the ground up on a new computer and was
wondering if there would be any advantages or disadvantages to using a
redundant hard drive system, i.e. one that's mirrored like RAID for audio
work? I'd use it primarily for transferring analog tapes to wav format and
dynamic range expansion, clean-up and such. Also, what about transfers to
CDR from said wav files--would a redundant system reduce problems and/or add
new ones?
Wondering,
--T
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From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 9:17
am
Subject: Melrose Promo CD???
Hi all,
one question:
yesterday I arrived a CD:
'MELROSE' , Private Music 2078-2-P , Canada , 1990 and on the CD-Label is an
number: D 110724 the same you found on the backsidecover. All others is
identical to the US or German CD Release.
No promotional statemants on the Cover or CD.
Can everyone tell me: What is this for an item???
a PROMOTIONAL ITEM or only a regular STORE ITEM in Canada.
How can help???
Best wishes
Heiko Neuman
Markt 13
39288 Burg
Germany
e-mail: NEUMANN.H-J@t...
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 9:29
am
Subject: TD at ES
Hey,
There is several TD related occurences at the new release of Electronic
Shadows; a news report about the I-Box and Ground Liftaz, a report from the
GL launch party and a review of The 7 Letters of Tibet. You may want to take
a moment and check it out at www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
Glenn
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 11:59
am
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] PC tech question
all good advice. great references, Morgan.
another good analog recording software is the DirectX-compatible DartPro,
which will allow you to take a noise 'signature', and remove that from the
whole recording. also good for converting mp3s back to wavs.
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
...
> Going from analog tapes to WAV/CD/mp3 with cleanup (I suggest
> Sonic Foundry SoundForge 4.5 software and plugins) will
> require a top-notch tape deck (if you don't already have
...
> Plexwriter 12/10/32. It's the FIRST IDE CD burner I will ever
...
> overclocked for 2 years). http://www.tomshardware.com/ and
> http://www.overclockers.com/ for more info on this.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tei waz
...
> I have a couple of questions regarding audio work on PCs. I've been
...
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 1:34
pm
Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] PC tech question
Is this what was used on Sea of Dreams? I know that, for instance, the 1977
concert recordings were compared acoustically with Encore 1977 and from
that, noise signatures were extrapolated and removed from the live stuff. I
could be foggy on that one.
-Morgan
>From: Joe Shoults
>
>another good analog recording software is the DirectX-compatible DartPro,
>which will allow you to take a noise 'signature', and remove that from the
>whole recording. also good for converting mp3s back to wavs.
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 1:53
pm
Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] PC tech question
no idea.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
...
> Is this what was used on Sea of Dreams? I know that, for
> instance, the 1977
> concert recordings were compared acoustically with Encore
> 1977 and from
> that, noise signatures were extrapolated and removed from the
> live stuff. I
> could be foggy on that one.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> >From: Joe Shoults
> >
> >another good analog recording software is the
> DirectX-compatible DartPro,
> >which will allow you to take a noise 'signature', and remove
> that from the
> >whole recording. also good for converting mp3s back to wavs.
>
From:
'Patrik .'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 6:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD at ES
Nice job Glenn!
First time in ES - I will return!
Hälsningar
Patrik i Stockholm
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 5:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris
And before anyone flames, Frank asked me to respond. Lately, I've tried to
let sleeping dogs lay there.
This is in response to the sixth listen to Mars Polaris cover to cover. I
still wish I could take this back, but it's not worth the effort. Anyway
with the shoddy packaging the cover is not intact anymore and half of the
little teeth that hold the CD in place broke the moment I pulled the CD out
the first time (And I did it carefully).
Spiral Star Date doesn't do anything for me (just listened to it again). God
how can anyone listen to this stuff with typical drums, no sequencing
whatsoever (can you really tell whether you're listening to the first 30
seconds or the last? I'm hard-pressed to do so!) Typical 90's TD stagnation
from track inception to finale.
Astrophobia is pretty thin until 4:35 where more uninteresting sequencing
comes in. 5:30 there's a very thin melody on top which is apparently
supposed to be thickened with heavy, fast, trip-hop bass. This is TD? urgh.
Pick up the average Playstation game. The music in Astrophobia is what most
popular American video games (especially racing games) are using. I usually
turn it on and put in some REAL ambient/house dance club music that I'd
dance to. The melody line here tries to bring together very un-TD elements
and frankly it doesn't work. I still don't see the point in all this
percussion, but I guess that's just an accepted part of TD these days. They
try to accomplish with percussion what they have lost the ability to do with
solid sequencing.
Urgh. The last minute of the track is drawn-out fluff, trying to make us
believe that they've sequenced this great thing that comes back together as
a complete circle, as a whole. Oooohhh NOT. It's all very in-your-face.
Subtlety has been gone from TD for a long time now.
The crazy part about all this is I started with Turn of the Tides, Rockoon,
and 220 Volt. It took listening to past TD to realize I'd been consuming
saccharin all this time. It took finding the real sugar to see it.
-Morgan
>From: 'Frank Arellano'
>
>Morgan,
> I find it hard to believe when some people say they didn't like Comet's
>Figure Head. What did you think of Spiral Star and Astrophobia?
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'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 2:40
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] TD at ES
Tjäna Patrik,
>Nice job Glenn!
>First time in ES - I will return!
Thanks for visiting! :-)
Glenn
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new release now)
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 3:25
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Mars Polaris
Funny how our opinions vary so much here. I personally like Mars Polaris
quite a lot!
-Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:07 AM
> To: tadream@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris
>
>
> And before anyone flames, Frank asked me to respond. Lately,
> I've tried to
> let sleeping dogs lay there.
>
> This is in response to the sixth listen to Mars Polaris cover
> to cover. I
> still wish I could take this back, but it's not worth the
> effort. Anyway ...
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 4:09
pm
Subject: Re: Mars Polaris
In a message dated 11/9/00 9:40:39 AM, feldon23@h... writes:
>Astrophobia is pretty thin until 4:35 where more uninteresting sequencing
>comes in. 5:30 there's a very thin melody on top which is apparently
>supposed to be thickened with heavy, fast, trip-hop bass.
Hmm? I thought trip-hop was slow and contemplative, like Massive Attack.
>This is TD? urgh.
>Pick up the average Playstation game. The music in Astrophobia is what most
>popular American video games (especially racing games) are using.
Stick to the Japanese ones. They're usually superior games anyway. ;)
>Urgh. The last minute of the track is drawn-out fluff, trying to make us
>believe that they've sequenced this great thing that comes back together as
>a complete circle, as a whole. Oooohhh NOT.
They aren't necessarily trying to make you believe anything--they're just
making music. From the way you say it, I get the impression that because you
don't like the music, you're finding some kind of hostile intent in it.
Lighten up a bit. :)
--Daniel
NP: Astrophobia
From:
'Jared White'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 6:27
pm
Subject: P. S.
Sorry for all the spelling mistakes -- forgot to push that darn spell check
button.... ;)
Spoiled by computers,
Jared
From:
'Jared White'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 6:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD at ES
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...]
>
> Hey,
>
> There is several TD related occurences at the new release of Electronic
> Shadows; a news report about the I-Box and Ground Liftaz, a
> report from the
> GL launch party and a review of The 7 Letters of Tibet. You may
> want to take
> a moment and check it out at www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows
You know, I'm really beginning to see Edgar's point of view these days --
total disrespect for his 'fans' is an awfully tempting position to hold.
I should have known this would happen. When I first visited ES at its
inception, I thought it was a pretty neat idea. I'm now beginning to realize
how mistaken I truly was.
In case you hadn't noticed, I'm sitting here literally shaking with anger. I
haven't been so royally p**sed off in some time. I thought I was starting to
get immune to this kind of crap, but I guess not.
You do know what I'm talking about, don't you? No? Oh, I'm only talking
about the new 'cleaning out rat cages' album by TD. The album to wash dishes
to. Oh, yes, I'm talking about the one and only *Seven Letters of Tibet* --
the album where TD seamingly left their creativity (wow, you mean you
actually still believe they have some? Shocking!) in the studio and kept
recording. 'Relative objectivity' -- it shows, it really shows. We're
talking about the same man who so eleqouently pronounced Goblins' Club 'the
worst album in the genre'. Relative objectivity -- don't make me laugh, my
back's a bit sore right now.
God, I'm getting sick of this. Why don't you all just admit you're a bunch
of back-seat critics who, because you can't actually MAKE music like the old
TD, can at least piss on the new. (Then, of course, there are also those who
like to rip-off old TD AND piss on the new at the same time, but I won't get
into *that* at the moment....) I've seen way over a year of 'relative
objectivity' on this list so far, and, frankly, I wonder how 'total
pigheadedness' could be any worse.
Flame me, kick me out, ban me from the list, I don't really care at this
point. (No offense, Joe -- you're doing a great job, as always.) I'm sick of
defending my passions in music. I'm sick of defending music worthy of
respect. I'm sick of defending THE MAN WITHOUT WHOM WE ALL WOULDN'T BE HERE!
No WONDER TDI doesn't contribute anything here anymore! They must think
we're all a bunch of ungrateful wretches!
If you hate TD so much, go listen to Arcane or whatever and leave us alone.
I really wonder what you're all doing here on a 'Tangerine Dream' list
anyway. I really do.
J
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 6:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mars Polaris
I happen to love Astrophobia. I've been listening to it on repeat for over
the last three hours straight. I think it's awesome. I tend to do that with
tracks that I love :-) BTW guys, start thinking about your top ten picks for
the 1990's era. I'll be keeping tabulations for Roger, so when you have your
top ten picks email them to my email address. This has a public service
announcement. Peace and have a good day :-) farellano@s...
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:09 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Mars Polaris
> In a message dated 11/9/00 9:40:39 AM, feldon23@h... writes:
>
> >Astrophobia is pretty thin until 4:35 where more uninteresting sequencing
> >comes in. 5:30 there's a very thin melody on top which is apparently
> >supposed to be thickened with heavy, fast, trip-hop bass.
>
> Hmm? I thought trip-hop was slow and contemplative, like Massive Attack.
>
> >This is TD? urgh.
> >Pick up the average Playstation game. The music in Astrophobia is what
most
> >popular American video games (especially racing games) are using.
>
> Stick to the Japanese ones. They're usually superior games anyway. ;)
>
> >Urgh. The last minute of the track is drawn-out fluff, trying to make us
> >believe that they've sequenced this great thing that comes back together
as
> >a complete circle, as a whole. Oooohhh NOT.
>
> They aren't necessarily trying to make you believe anything--they're just
> making music. From the way you say it, I get the impression that because
you
> don't like the music, you're finding some kind of hostile intent in it.
> Lighten up a bit. :)
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Astrophobia
>
>
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>
>
From:
AirWave
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 7:58
pm
Subject: KS - Contemporary Works
Hi there.
Am I the only one on the list to have recieved the
fantastic new 10 CD release from former TD member
Klaus Schulze ?
I've been playing the set nonstop since I got it last
week and every CD sofar has been a revelation. Well
perhabs not CD5 : 'Docking' featuring Solar Moon System.
I found Docking to be downbeat, slow, dark and rather
depressing to listen to. The short edits on CD10
works much better, as the long +22 mins tracks
seem endless and nonmoving.
Has anyone heard Solar Moon Systems new album
'logbook 94_00' ?? What's it like ?
NP CD8 : Ballett 3 (1 track CD)
Track 1 : My Ty She (75:40)
KS on traditional synth, drumming and sequencers
(allthough slightly more laidback than usual)
and accompanied by
Tobias Becker - oboe
Wolfgang Tiepold - cello
Thomas Kagermann - vocals, flute, violin
Tom Dams - vocals, samples, programming, recording
Julia Messenger - vocals
The CD is a revelation in synth and laidback sequencing
accompanied by melancholic solos on oboe, violin and cello
interspersed by soft vocals. This very long track slowly
evolves with emphasis on the traditional instruments using
synths and sequencers only as backing and rhythm setting
accompaniment. It's a hypnotic 3rd act in the Ballett
series and the traditional instruments works really well
with the hypnotic ever changing sequence pattern.
My personal favourite Ballett CD is Ballett 4
with the marvelous track Mellowtrone (13:53)
This track is all about the fantastic Mellotron
and KS uses it to the edge of it's capabilities.
More on that some other time.
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From:
GKNARFAPPAZ@a...
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 8:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] KS - Contemporary Works
In a message dated 09/11/00 20:06:20 GMT Standard Time, airwave@1...
writes:
<< Am I the only one on the list to have recieved the
fantastic new 10 CD release from former TD member
Klaus Schulze ?
>>
Can you give me advice on where to get this set from please
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 8:12
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] KS - Contemporary Works
> From: AirWave [mailto:airwave@1...]
>
> My personal favourite Ballett CD is Ballett 4
> with the marvelous track Mellowtrone (13:53)
> This track is all about the fantastic Mellotron
> and KS uses it to the edge of it's capabilities.
> More on that some other time.
Hmmm although Klaus have used some of the best
choir sounds/chords I never got the feeling he
pushed it to the edge. He rarely, almost never,
used any other sound then the choir from it.
I'd say that TD used it to the edge much more.
But I'm quite interested in his new music.
Marcel
http://jump.to/fsp
mengels@w...
From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 8:42
pm
Subject: SV: [tadream] TD at ES
Jared,
I am not even beginning to see what your problem is. I dont see *why* you
should have a problem.
>I'm sick of defending my passions in music. I'm sick of defending
>music worthy of respect.
Then dont do it. I dont see a reason for defending your taste in music, and
I dont see a reason for attacking my taste in music. TDs music is not
necesarily worthy of respect, you know. Only if it is good.
>No WONDER TDI doesn't contribute anything here anymore! They must think
>we're all a bunch of ungrateful wretches!
If you respect TD, the last thing you want to do is start kissing their ass.
Be honest, even if it hurts.
>If you hate TD so much, go listen to Arcane or whatever and leave us alone.
>I really wonder what you're all doing here on a 'Tangerine Dream' list
>anyway. I really do.
My reason for staying here is that I am a fan of what TD did for 20 of their
30 years. But Jared, I dont recall you saying anything about our other
*favourable* TD reviews which were 7, 7 and 9 out of 10 points. If 1 of 4
releases sucks, I'd say that is a good average.
Glenn
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new release now)
www.egroups.com/group/pspusers
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From:
'Harri Ikonen'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 9:18
pm
Subject: Re: PC tech question
Morgan wrote:
> Going from analog tapes to WAV/CD/mp3 with cleanup (I suggest
> Sonic Foundry SoundForge 4.5 software and plugins) will require
> a top-notch tape deck (if you don't already have one), and a good
> sound card.
Assuming that we are not talking about software piracy here, who
wants to pay $499 for Sound Forge 4.5 and another $399 for Noise
Reduction 2.0 plugin just for tape to cd transfers? Personally,
I'd go for Cool Edit 2000 ($69) and its Audio Cleanup plugin ($49).
Cool Edit can do almost everything Sound Forge does but at a more
reasonable price. The latest version even includes DirectX plugin
support which has been one of the main reasons why people choose
Sound Forge.
> Creative Soundblaster (And Ensoniq clones) have always been
> *consumer* gear. Maybe their top-level cards like the Soundblaster
> Live have improved, but I really don't recommend Soundblaster
> *anything*. If you're going to spend money somewhere, maybe a
> $200 Turtle Beach sound card is in order.
Turtle Beach is no longer what it used to be a couple of years ago.
A quick look at their web page revealed only sub-$100 cards (which
are inferior than Creative Labs' products) and the top-of-the-line
cards were nowhere to be seen. I see no reason why not to go for
a card like SB Live. It's cheap and it's good -- what else can you
ask for?
> As for CPU, I've always had to stretch my dollar, so I've always
> steered clear of premium processors as the Pentium III and Athlon.
> They're primarily Gucci processors, and their 'weaker' cousins can
> easily be tweaked to match the speed for a fraction of the price.
You only need a fast processor if you play games. Even a mere 400MHz
Pentium II (which haven't been manufactured for ages) can rip and do
real-time MP3 compression from CDs. Besides, overclocking can be
disastrous for your system... In the last two weeks alone, two of my
colleagues have broken their computers by driving the cpu too far.
It can be done properly (with Majestys, Orbs, VapoChills or whatever
stuff there is) but that's something I don't recommend.
Regards,
Harri
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 9:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: PC tech question
When he started talking about RAID, it sounded like he was talking about
dropping a LOT of cash. Of course there are more economical ways to perform the
same procedures. Thanks for your insight into <$200 software to accomplish the
same thing.
As for the Turtle Beach cards, I've seen Montego's for $179. I don't know if
they are worth it though. I made the poor choice of buying a SB PCI128 (I think
that's what it was) card recently. Bad idea! They're made by Ensoniq and resold
by Creative Labs. They're forgettible.
Real-time compression to mp3 from a CD on a Pentium II 400? I don't see it.
What software/hardware are you using?
As for your friends nuking their systems by overclocking, it's all about the
motherboard, fans, and if possible, compare the numbers printed on your CPU
with the lists at www.tomshardware.com or www.overclockers.com. They can tell
you how far you can go on various lot numbers and batches of chips. And I've
never heard of anyone doing anything worse than nuking the CPU ($100) before.
The rest of the computer shouldn't be affected (not saying they can't be).
Morgan
----- Original Message -----
From: Harri Ikonen
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:21 PM
Morgan wrote:
> Going from analog tapes to WAV/CD/mp3 with cleanup (I suggest
> Sonic Foundry SoundForge 4.5 software and plugins) will require
> a top-notch tape deck (if you don't already have one), and a good
> sound card.
Assuming that we are not talking about software piracy here, who
wants to pay $499 for Sound Forge 4.5 and another $399 for Noise
Reduction 2.0 plugin just for tape to cd transfers? Personally,
I'd go for Cool Edit 2000 ($69) and its Audio Cleanup plugin ($49).
Cool Edit can do almost everything Sound Forge does but at a more
reasonable price. The latest version even includes DirectX plugin
support which has been one of the main reasons why people choose
Sound Forge.
I see no reason why not to go for
a card like SB Live. It's cheap and it's good -- what else can you
ask for?
You only need a fast processor if you play games. Even a mere 400MHz
Pentium II (which haven't been manufactured for ages) can rip and do
real-time MP3 compression from CDs. Besides, overclocking can be
disastrous for your system... In the last two weeks alone, two of my
colleagues have broken their computers by driving the cpu too far.
It can be done properly (with Majestys, Orbs, VapoChills or whatever
stuff there is) but that's something I don't recommend.
Regards,
Harri___________________________________________________________
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From:
herold.u@t...
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 10:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose Promo CD???
Hi Heiko,
i've got this one too. I have ordered it by a Importeur as a 'Canadian Store
Item'. I think this is no 'Promotinoal Item'
Regards and 'dream on'
Uwe
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:17 AM
Subject: [tadream] Melrose Promo CD???
> Hi all,
>
> one question:
> yesterday I arrived a CD:
> 'MELROSE' , Private Music 2078-2-P , Canada , 1990 and on the CD-Label is
an number: D 110724 the same you found on the backsidecover. All others is
identical to the US or German CD Release.
> No promotional statemants on the Cover or CD.
>
> Can everyone tell me: What is this for an item???
> a PROMOTIONAL ITEM or only a regular STORE ITEM in Canada.
>
> How can help???
>
> Best wishes
> Heiko Neuman
> Markt 13
> 39288 Burg
> Germany
> e-mail: NEUMANN.H-J@t...
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
From:
herold.u@t...
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 9:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] KS - Contemporary Works
Hi all,
you can get this box by
www.manikin.de
Regards
Uwe
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] KS - Contemporary Works
> In a message dated 09/11/00 20:06:20 GMT Standard Time, airwave@1...
> writes:
>
> << Am I the only one on the list to have recieved the
> fantastic new 10 CD release from former TD member
> Klaus Schulze ?
> >>
> Can you give me advice on where to get this set from please
>
>
> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES.
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://www.tadream.net
>
>
From:
'Eric Rochon'
Date: Tue Nov 9, 1999 11:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose Promo CD???
Hi Heiko
I am from Canada and my Cd Melrose is labeled the same way.
>one question: >yesterday I arrived a CD:
> 'MELROSE' , Private Music 2078-2-P , Canada , 1990 and
on the CD-Label is an number: D 110724 the same you found on the
backsidecover.
I don't have this number..... D110724
All others is identical to the US or German CD Release.No promotional
statemants on the Cover or CD.
>
>Can everyone tell me: What is this for an item???
>a PROMOTIONAL ITEM or only a regular STORE ITEM in Canada.
Eric
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 11:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose Promo CD???
Does it say CMC on the disc and the jewel case? If so, the CMC
stands for Columbia Record Club. It's a record club-bought CD.
-- Steven Feldman
From:
'Jared White'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 11:20
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD at ES
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...]
>
> I am not even beginning to see what your problem is. I dont see *why* you
> should have a problem.
I have a problem with poorly-done reviews. I think it's obvious that 7LfT is
more than just boring synth pads. If you don't like that *kind* of music,
than why are you reviewing it? It seems that you don't like any of the
so-called New Age elements of more recent TD, so should you really be
reviewing an album that's totally along those lines? I'm not going to go
write reviews of, say, acid jazz or hip-hop -- I wouldn't like just about
anything I'd listen to!
> >I'm sick of defending my passions in music. I'm sick of defending
> >music worthy of respect.
>
> Then dont do it. I dont see a reason for defending your taste in
> music, and
> I dont see a reason for attacking my taste in music. TDs music is not
> necesarily worthy of respect, you know. Only if it is good.
But good TD music to you seems to go by a completely different set of
criteria than it does for me!
> >No WONDER TDI doesn't contribute anything here anymore! They must think
> >we're all a bunch of ungrateful wretches!
>
> If you respect TD, the last thing you want to do is start kissing
> their ass.
> Be honest, even if it hurts.
I'm totally honest. I'll admit TD/TDI blew it with Soundmill Navigator. And
I always thought Transsiberia was pretty lame. But I think Seven Letters
from Tibet is beautiful and exciting music, and I never kiss *anyone's* ass
without good reason.
> >If you hate TD so much, go listen to Arcane or whatever and
> leave us alone.
> >I really wonder what you're all doing here on a 'Tangerine Dream' list
> >anyway. I really do.
>
> My reason for staying here is that I am a fan of what TD did for
> 20 of their
> 30 years. But Jared, I dont recall you saying anything about our other
> *favourable* TD reviews which were 7, 7 and 9 out of 10 points. If 1 of 4
> releases sucks, I'd say that is a good average.
Except when two of those reviews were done by Loren Bacon, who I know to be
amazingly unbiased and objective in his assessments of TD's music. So far,
the only somewhat positive review you did of a modern TD album (that I know
about, anyway) was Mars Polaris, but the reasons for your liking the parts
you liked didn't strike me as objective even at that. I generally don't like
reviews that aren't objective either way, but my perverse human nature tends
not to mind the non-objective opinions that coincide with my views.... But
when they DON'T, then I really get ticked off!
I admit that part of my outrage at that review was simply bad timing -- I
was already feeling defensive for various reasons before I read it. But,
frankly, I've never thought of you as an objective person (witness your
nothing-but-praise opinions regarding JMJ), and the 'I approached Seven
Letters from Tibet with reasonable objectivity and it stank rotten onions'
stance you took made me very angry, as that wasn't just a list diatribe but
a supposedly professional review on a professional Web site.
Nobody says you have to like 7LfT. But if you're going to review it for a
professional Web site, you can't just go around pronouncing it
rat-cage-cleaning music without a HELL of a lot more reason than you gave.
It sounded like something somebody would write in about two minutes while
listening to something else and watching the latest sports news on TV at the
same time.
And that's my problem. And I find it interesting that somebody on this list
recently was blasting some guy for writing a bunch of totally positive,
gushy reviews saying how incredible all these new TD releases were. Fine. I
thought they were gushy and not objective at all myself. But where is that
somebody now? Do I smell some double-standards here?
Regards,
Jared
P. S. And I'm REALLY getting sick of the 'Edgar-ass-kisser' accusations that
keep getting thrown into my face whenever these discussions arise. It's like
it's actually a CRIME for me to LIKE something such as Seven Letters from
Tibet or Rim of S. on Mars Polaris! Is it really so wrong for there to be an
actual FAN of modern TD on a TD mailing list???
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 11:18
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD at ES
> From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...]
>
> I have a problem with poorly-done reviews. I think it's obvious
> that 7LfT is
> more than just boring synth pads. If you don't like that *kind* of music,
> than why are you reviewing it?
Now THATS nonsense Jared...
So you should only review CDs that you like???
Marcel
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From:
'Poul Erik'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 11:49
pm
Subject: Sv: [tadream] TD at ES
Jared,
If any comfort in it, I happen to like most of the new stuff to. Not that I'm
saying that this and that period is better than an other, but my mood reflects
the kind of TD I listen to. I alway say to myself - if I don't like it, then
don't buy it. I rarely think that way of TD 'coz I like most of it anyway :o)
Poul
Is it really so wrong for there to be an
actual FAN of modern TD on a TD mailing list???
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 11:59
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD at ES
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...]
>
> > From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...]
> >
> > I have a problem with poorly-done reviews. I think it's obvious
> > that 7LfT is
> > more than just boring synth pads. If you don't like that *kind*
> of music,
> > than why are you reviewing it?
>
> Now THATS nonsense Jared...
> So you should only review CDs that you like???
No, you should only review CDs in a genre you like. Apparently 7LfT falls
under what Glenn calls 'housewifey New Age music', so it should come as no
surprise that he doesn't like 7LfT. What I object to is that *he's* the one
not being honest here. Like I said before, if you think a certain kind of
music stinks, don't go review albums comprised of that kind of music. If you
think 40's show music is awful, don't go review an album of music by Irving
Berlin.
Jared
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 12:00
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD at ES
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poul Erik [mailto:lakota@g...]
>
> If any comfort in it, I happen to like most of the new stuff to.
> Not that I'm saying that this and that period is better than an
> other, but my mood reflects the kind of TD I listen to. I alway
> say to myself - if I don't like it, then don't buy it. I rarely
> think that way of TD 'coz I like most of it anyway :o)
Wow, that's a switch. :o)
Thanks, Poul,
Jared
From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 12:18
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] TD at ES
> From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...]
>
> No, you should only review CDs in a genre you like. Apparently 7LfT falls
> under what Glenn calls 'housewifey New Age music', so it should come as no
> surprise that he doesn't like 7LfT. What I object to is that
> *he's* the one
> not being honest here. Like I said before, if you think a certain kind of
> music stinks, don't go review albums comprised of that kind of
> music. If you
> think 40's show music is awful, don't go review an album of music
> by Irving
> Berlin.
Oh but you should see some of the reviews of my first CDR...
Of course it isn't very nice to read those reviews, but
they had every right of liking or not liking it...
The genre is electronic music...at least for me.
There is good ambient music and there is bad...there is good
dance music and there is bad...and I all think the genre is
electronic.
Just my opinion of course.
Marcel
http://jump.to/fsp
mengels@w...
From:
'Whiteley, Steve'
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 12:43
am
Subject: RE: Old vs New
>I am not even beginning to see what your problem is. I dont see *why* you
>should have a problem.
>>I'm sick of defending my passions in music. I'm sick of defending
>>music worthy of respect.
Need to be right
Need to teach others a lesson
As long as we express our feelings and thoughts respectfully there is no
problem.
I really am uninterested by TDs current output,
I like long sequences that morph my state of mind.
vs
Edgar and Jerome currently suck as composers,
so many others do it better.
Don't be such victims of TD, of course its your choice.
To be honest I have enjoyed the varying points of view on the list,
occasionally I even learn a new way to look at TDs music.
Back to the deep,
Steve
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From:
'Harri Ikonen'
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 1:14
am
Subject: RE: PC tech question
Morgan wrote:
> When he started talking about RAID, it sounded like he was
> talking about dropping a LOT of cash. Of course there are
> more economical ways to perform the same procedures.
Motherboards (such as Abit SA6R and KT7-RAID) have built-in
IDE RAID 0/1 and with falling hard drive prices that's a
good alternative, especially if you are concerned about
backing up your data.
> As for the Turtle Beach cards, I've seen Montego's for $179.
The most expensive card on their web page is Santa Cruz,
which goes for $99.95 (Montegos range from $29.95 to $59.95)
It's based on a Cirrus Logic chipset and it's no match for
Creative Labs and old Aureal boards.
> I made the poor choice of buying a SB PCI128 (I think that's
> what it was) card recently. Bad idea! They're made by Ensoniq
> and resold by Creative Labs. They're forgettible.
I couldn't agree more. Creative Labs made a smart decision by
dumping Ensoniq chips and buying E-mu Systems. The Emu10K on
the SB Live! was designed by Dave Rossum, the man responsible
for the legendary Emulator series and technology on several
others, such as Prophet 5.
> Real-time compression to mp3 from a CD on a Pentium II 400?
> I don't see it. What software/hardware are you using?
I remember doing that on my old HP Kayak XA (P2-333) two years
ago with Audiocatalyst. I later switched on to MusicMatch
Jukebox and didn't have any trouble with it either.
> I've never heard of anyone doing anything worse than nuking
> the CPU ($100) before. The rest of the computer shouldn't be
> affected (not saying they can't be).
I don't know exactly what happened, but I know for sure that
the other one was a victim of a failed AMD pencil trick. The
other case looked like the motherboard was caught on fire.
Apparently something overheated and took several components
with it. Anyhow, if you don't know what you're doing, it's
better to stick to the factory defaults.
Regards,
Harri
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 2:06
am
Subject: Re: TDs lack of promoting concerts
>> * Absolutely no promotion or advertising
>Definitely a problem. And they're releasing so much stuff too,
>with nothing to differentiate each new release. They also look
>rather cheap, and in some cases (like Antique Dreams) damn ugly.
>They could be fan-created covers for bootleg recordings.
I've never liked the TDI covers. They are simple, look computer-generated, and
most of them are ugly. I always thought the 220 V cover was ugly, but the TDI
cover manages to be uglier.
>And the albums are, if you ask me, mostly subpar. The casual
>listener who picks up Great Wall of China or 7 Letters From
>Tibet is not, in my opinion, going to be won over to the band.
>But I don't see casual listeners plopping down the equivilant
>of 22 dollars U.S. for one of these albums, without having had
>a chance to hear them first.
>SEAN MONTGOMERY
Yes, that's the price I find here in Brasil. That's why I've never
bought a new TD release, since I heard them for the first time
one year ago.
gustavoferreirajobim(gustavfj@m...)
From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] KS - Contemporary Works
I am in Tampa, Florida, USA still awaiting the arrival of my order from
Manikin
Records for the new KS set.
THE HIGHLANDER
>Am I the only one on the list to have recieved the
>fantastic new 10 CD release from former TD member
>Klaus Schulze ?
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] KS - Contemporary Works
> I am in Tampa, Florida, USA still awaiting the arrival of my order from
> Manikin
> Records for the new KS set.
I'm in Atlanta awaiting mine also...from Groove. Anticipating...
Craig
From:
PENFOLD
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:43
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris
At 0011.08-23:06, Feldon Feldon wrote:
>with the shoddy packaging the cover is not intact anymore and half of the
>little teeth that hold the CD in place broke the moment I pulled the CD out
>the first time (And I did it carefully).
just a little FYI, in the industry the little toothy thing that
holds the CD inside the box is called a 'Spider'
$0.02
Pete Isaacson
mailto:penfold@a...
aka PENFOLD
aka DJ DreamHead
Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have
the money.....damn!!!!!
From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 7:48
am
Subject: RE: Melrose Promo CD???
Hi Eric,
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 06:42:33 -0500
From: 'Eric Rochon'
Subject: Re: Melrose Promo CD???
on the CD-Label is an number: D 110724 the same you found on the
backsidecover.
I don't have this number..... D110724
### Do you have an other Number on the CD Cover or Disc??? ###
Heiko
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From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 7:46
am
Subject: RE: Melrose Promo CD???
Hello Steven,
CMC is not standing on the jewelcase or on the disc.
On the backsidecover is following printing:
D 110724
Mfd. for BMG Dircet Marketing Inc.
under License
6550 East 30th Street
Indianapolis, Indiana 46219
and on the CD-Label:
D 110724
and the Matrix on the disc:
DISC MFG, INC. (H) W.O. 15507-2 , 20782P
Regards
Heiko Neumann
Markt 13
39288 Burg
Germany
e-amil: NEUMANN.H-J@t...
++Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:08:12 EST
From: Steven Feldman
Subject: Re: Melrose Promo CD???
Does it say CMC on the disc and the jewel case? If so, the CMC
stands for Columbia Record Club. It's a record club-bought CD.
-- Steven Feldman ++
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 9:30
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] TD at ES
Jared,
>I have a problem with poorly-done reviews. I think it's obvious that 7LfT
is
>more than just boring synth pads. If you don't like that *kind* of music,
>than why are you reviewing it?
I *do* like that kind of music, except I dont like poorly done music of that
kind. Only because 7LoT falls into some kind of electronic sub-genre doesnt
mean it is good. There is good music and bad music in every genre. I believe
it is important to review also music that you dont like from the genre that
you are into. Or if you are not a reviewer, it is important to *listen* to
music you dont like from the genre you are into.
You will not see me review jazz or rock or folk music, however.
>It seems that you don't like any of the
>so-called New Age elements of more recent TD, so should you really be
>reviewing an album that's totally along those lines?
Its not a matter of style or genre, but how I judge the quality. So yes, I
should review albums with new agey elements.
>But good TD music to you seems to go by a completely different set of
>criteria than it does for me!
Maybe, but that is something called 'taste', Jared. If TD made new agey
housewife dribble that had imagination, creativity, spontaneity, innovation
etc, I might like it. If you are buying a pair of boots, you can buy high
quality boots or low quality boots but they dont become high quality just
because they are boots.
>I'm totally honest. I'll admit TD/TDI blew it with Soundmill Navigator. And
>I always thought Transsiberia was pretty lame.
What?? You must be joking! They are excellent. Masterpieces. Outstanding!!!!
Well, I havent heard them, so I dont know what I think about them. But do I
attack you or think you have unvalid reasons for not liking them?
>But I think Seven Letters
>from Tibet is beautiful and exciting music, and I never kiss *anyone's* ass
>without good reason.
So you admit you sometimes kiss ass? There are incidents where you are not
honest? When there are good reasons? (I mean in terms of music, I dont care
what you do with your taxes.....)
>Except when two of those reviews were done by Loren Bacon, who I know to be
>amazingly unbiased and objective in his assessments of TD's music.
A review isnt unbiased or objective by nature. Reviews are always
subjective.
>So far, the only somewhat positive review you did of a modern TD album
(that I know
>about, anyway) was Mars Polaris,
It is only the second TD review I have made so far, that is published. If
you think you can detect some kind of thread from that, think again.
> but the reasons for your liking the parts
>you liked didn't strike me as objective even at that. I generally don't
like
>reviews that aren't objective either way,
Well, you need to understand that reviews arent objective by nature. Can you
point me to a review that *is* objective and explain why it is so?
>But, frankly, I've never thought of you as an objective person (witness
your
>nothing-but-praise opinions regarding JMJ),
I think you have a limited experience of my appreciation for JMJ, so this is
a very low point to make, and wrong too.
> and the 'I approached Seven
>Letters from Tibet with reasonable objectivity and it stank rotten onions'
>stance you took made me very angry, as that wasn't just a list diatribe but
>a supposedly professional review on a professional Web site.
So arent reviewers allowed to dislike albums? Should we only post reviews of
CDs we praise? The 'relative objectivity' thing was about me not getting my
expectations up, not reading other reviews which might influence me, not
comparing the CD to other CDs of the same style, and a few other techniques.
>Nobody says you have to like 7LfT. But if you're going to review it for a
>professional Web site, you can't just go around pronouncing it
>rat-cage-cleaning music without a HELL of a lot more reason than you gave.
I dont have to give any reason for liking it or disliking it. Do you dictate
how reviews are supposed to look like?
>P. S. And I'm REALLY getting sick of the 'Edgar-ass-kisser' accusations
that
>keep getting thrown into my face whenever these discussions arise.
Well you did say 'THE MAN WITHOUT WHOM WE ALL WOULDN'T BE HERE' as if that
is something that should make me like the CD more. I dont owe it to Edgar to
like anything they put out just because they once put out lots of fantastic
stuff.
Glenn
www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new release now)
www.egroups.com/group/pspusers
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From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2000 10:53
am
Subject: SV: [tadream] TD at ES
IT'S THE FLAME-TRAIN...............AAAAALLLLL ONBOOOOAAARD!!!!!!!
=) no seriously
I also like a lot of the new stuff, I am still missing the last couple
of new albums, but will buy them soon. I agree with Poul Erik, when
listening to TD, I choose an album that reflects my mood.
Jared, if you want people to accept you hardcore defending TD today,
you also have to accept people defending the old TD. I agree with your
statement regarding a person that f.ex. listens to german folkmusic is
reviewing an ambient CD. That is not compatible. How many of us have seen
this again and again. Our favorite band is being rewieved by a guy that has
no clue to what he is talking about. We all hate that. But Glenn is
listening to E-music, and the review was just his opinion. We all have our
favorite era in TD-music, but we also have to accept that others have
another favorite era.
Have a nice weekend everybody
Jan
mailto:pergamon@g...
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 8:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top ten 1990's
Top ten 1990's TD music is going to be a tough list...and not for the reason
you'd expect from me.
As there are too many good tracks from the 70's and 80's of TD, there are too
many good tracks of the 1990's for TD to try to settle on 10, but I'll have to
try.
Betweeen 'Towards the Evening Star', several tracks on 220 Volt, the majority
of Dream Mixes I (including Sojus from the 2 disc import edition), a few tracks
from Dream Mixes II, and of course Oasis - Flashflood and Waterbourne, it will
take me a while to come up with a list. Hopefully everyone can come up with at
least 10 tracks they like from 90's TD.
Regards,
Morgan 'ready for the 90s/2000 bashing to move back onto the back burner'
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Arellano
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:33 PM
To: tadream@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mars Polaris
I happen to love Astrophobia. I've been listening to it on repeat for over
the last three hours straight. I think it's awesome. I tend to do that with
tracks that I love :-) BTW guys, start thinking about your top ten picks for
the 1990's era. I'll be keeping tabulations for Roger, so when you have your
top ten picks email them to my email address. This has a public service
announcement. Peace and have a good day :-) farellano@s...
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:09 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Mars Polaris
> In a message dated 11/9/00 9:40:39 AM, feldon23@h... writes:
>
> >Astrophobia is pretty thin until 4:35 where more uninteresting sequencing
> >comes in. 5:30 there's a very thin melody on top which is apparently
> >supposed to be thickened with heavy, fast, trip-hop bass.
>
> Hmm? I thought trip-hop was slow and contemplative, like Massive Attack
>
> >This is TD? urgh.
> >Pick up the average Playstation game. The music in Astrophobia is what
most
> >popular American video games (especially racing games) are using.
>
> Stick to the Japanese ones. They're usually superior games anyway. ;)
>
> >Urgh. The last minute of the track is drawn-out fluff, trying to make us
> >believe that they've sequenced this great thing that comes back together
as
> >a complete circle, as a whole. Oooohhh NOT.
>
> They aren't necessarily trying to make you believe anything--they're just
> making music. From the way you say it, I get the impression that because
you
> don't like the music, you're finding some kind of hostile intent in it.
> Lighten up a bit. :)
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Astrophobia
>
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 12:52
pm
Subject: Test
Does this thing work?
glenn
From:
'Eric Rochon'
Date: Thu Nov 11, 1999 1:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Answer to the Test
yep !!
From:
'Neal Frost'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 1:09
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Test
Affirmative!!
>
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>
> glenn
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From:
darrylsloan@h...
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 2:54
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream inspired mp3s
Hi!
I'm an electronic musician working on films and games, who derives a
good portion of his inspiration from Tangerine Dream's music.
I'd love it if you would have a look at my music page. Everything's
available for free download.
Especially notice the track I've simple entitled 'Tangerine Dream
Tribute'.
Have fun.
Darryl
http://www.mp3.com/DarrylSloan
From:
'Paul Fellows'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 3:18
pm
Subject: [tadream] 5 Ground Liftaz singles
Hi all,
For those of you who are interested, I have put up details and images of the
above mentioned singles on my site, they can be found at:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/singles/webpages/singlelist.html
Cheers
Paul
From:
'tom george'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 4:20
pm
Subject: wives and TD
--
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:58:40 Frank Arellano wrote:
my guess is that is how the synths sound from various areas around the house.
> Miaow- Miaow music ?? :-)
>Please elaborate
well, well, well Frank, i wonder who we could be refering to here. :)
the good news is that the divorce is final. so the albatross will soon declutch
me. hopeing to survive financially but the canoe is full of water and sinking
fast.
later,
tom
>No matter how unfortunate I may feel at times, I do *know* of atleast one
>even less fortunate soul than me on this list. Not much of a conciliation,
>but maybe I better count my blessings :-)
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 5:02
pm
Subject: Ozrics
had a blast Vic,
their new cd is awesome. i bet i have played it 5 or 6 times. can't wait to
get the results of what Craig was packing. now on to some TD content. who is
that on the 3rd track of Phaedream? sounds like Nico on vocals. later,
tom
back at work after 2 weeks off and countless beers.
>
>Vic
>
>P.S. That Ozric Tentacles show last night was great! And the Star
>People were a trip too. Wadda you think Tom and Craig?
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From:
'Vince LeGrand'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 7:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] KS - Contemporary Works
>
>> I am in Tampa, Florida, USA still awaiting the arrival of my order from
>> Manikin
>> Records for the new KS set.
>
>I'm in Atlanta awaiting mine also...from Groove. Anticipating...
>
>Craig
>
And I'm in PA waiting for my set from Eurock. Where is that UPS truck?!?
Vince
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 8:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] wives and TD
Hey amigo! Welcome back to the working world! Must be nice to lounge around
for weeks at a time
----- Original Message -----
From: 'tom george'
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 9:20 AM
Subject: [tadream] wives and TD
>
> --
>
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:58:40 Frank Arellano wrote:
>
> my guess is that is how the synths sound from various areas around the
house.
>
>
>
> > Miaow- Miaow music ?? :-)
> >Please elaborate
>
>
> well, well, well Frank, i wonder who we could be refering to here. :)
>
>
> the good news is that the divorce is final. so the albatross will soon
declutch me. hopeing to survive financially but the canoe is full of water
and sinking fast.
>
> later,
> tom
>
>
>
>
>
> >No matter how unfortunate I may feel at times, I do *know* of atleast one
> >even less fortunate soul than me on this list. Not much of a
conciliation,
> >but maybe I better count my blessings :-)
>
>
>
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 8:48
pm
Subject: Sinking Fast
Seems to me you loaded your canoe full of beer and now you're trying to save
yourself by drinking them as fast as you can :-)
What ever gave you the idea I was referring to you? :-)
From:
'Eric Rochon'
Date: Thu Nov 11, 1999 9:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Melrose Promo CD???
Hi Heiko
Here's what I have on the cover 2078-2-P
On the cd rim there is a MFG by CINERAM # 901011g
Hope this will help
Éric
From:
'tom george'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 9:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Melrose Promo CD???
heiko,
i think what you have is simply a copy that came from BMG cd club here in
the USA. all their releases have numbers similar to that.
tom
--
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:08:07 Eric Rochon wrote:
>Hi Heiko
>
>
> Here's what I have on the cover 2078-2-P
>
> On the cd rim there is a MFG by CINERAM # 901011g
>
>Hope this will help
>
>Iric
>
>
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From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 9:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ozrics
tom george wrote:
>who is that on the 3rd track of Phaedream? sounds like Nico on vocals.
It is Popol Vuh I think.
From:
jupe
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 10:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ozrics
Hi ,
the 3rd track of Phaedream is 'Vuelo Quimico' of NEURONIUM . And yes
, is the voice of Nico .
Visit the page of Neuronium :
http://www.neuronium.com/
Regards ,
Jupe
En/Na Vic Rek ha escrit:
> tom george wrote:
>
> >who is that on the 3rd track of Phaedream? sounds like Nico on vocals.
> It is Popol Vuh I think.
>
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 10:29
pm
Subject: Re: phadream
cool,
it is a good track even if it is supposed to be TD according to the label.
ha ha.
tom
On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:54:51 Vic Rek wrote:
>It is Popol Vuh I think.
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 10:32
pm
Subject: Phaedream
thanks Jupe,
i am a big Nico fan. anyone have the story of how such a glaring mistake
made it through the pressing plant? if the story is too much for this list
please send it too me personally or to the other list. thanks.
tom
--
On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:18:12 jupe wrote:
>Hi ,
>
> the 3rd track of Phaedream is 'Vuelo Quimico' of NEURONIUM . And yes
>, is the voice of Nico .
>
> Visit the page of Neuronium :
>
> http://www.neuronium.com/
>
>Regards ,
>
> Jupe
>
>
>En/Na Vic Rek ha escrit:
>
>> tom george wrote:
>>
>> >who is that on the 3rd track of Phaedream? sounds like Nico on vocals.
>> It is Popol Vuh I think.
>>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2000 10:59
pm
Subject: D:Studio [Goblins' Club] / Top ten 1990's
I have only 3 albums from the 90s - 220V, TOB and GC.
I like 220V a lot. TOB is also good, but unfortunately after Birdwatcher's
Dream, the rest of the album sounds always the same.
GC is at best interesting. There are few nice tracks, like Towards and Rising
Haul. One thing I hate in Towards is that drumming, how is it called, drum
fill, right? This drum fill is always the same. This is really annoying. But
the track is good.
I think one major problem in GC is the underdevelopment of ideas. The tracks
have lots of different 1-minute bits glued together. This makes the album
fragmented. Most of the tracks are forgettable or 'ungood'. But even with so
many flaws, I think GC can be an enjoyable album. Which is a paradox.
I haven't played GC for a long time, so this is from memory. I can't even
remember most of the tracks - remember I've said they were forgettable? So
maybe there are some tiny pearls in GC that I haven't found yet, like Towards
the Evening Star.
This message accidentally became a GC review, but what I wanted to say were
some of my favourite 90s tracks, of course, between GC, TOB and 220V. Note that
there isn't any ranking.
1. Towards the Evening Star (GC)
2. Catwalk (TOB)
3. Birdwatcher's Dream (TOB)
4. Stratosfear 1995, but that doesn't really count (TOB)
5. 220 Volt (220V)
6. Oriental Haze (220V)
7. Homeless (220V)
8. Hamlet (220V)
The other tracks in 220V are also good (I like this album a lot), but the ones
I've mentioned seem to be better, as I remember.
I'd also like to mention Darwin's Motel (GC) for being funny, and Rising Haul
in Silence which is also good but not as good as Towards.
Well, that's it for now,
see ya
Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 12:08
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Phaedream
> From: tom george [mailto:eloy-usa@a...]
>
> thanks Jupe,
> i am a big Nico fan. anyone have the story of how such a
> glaring mistake made it through the pressing plant? if the story
> is too much for this list please send it too me personally or to
> the other list. thanks.
> tom
Don't know the story but I do know that the first
5 or so albums by Neuronium are all classics imo.
Quasar, Vuelo Quimico are really analog/cosmic etc
albums with lots of nice string-synths and fxs.
Hope it will be a regular release one day...not
a very expensive CDR.
Marcel
http://jump.to/fsp
mengels@w...
From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 12:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Goblins' Club] / Top ten 1990's
Gustavo, since you liked 220 Volt I think you'd like Tournado very much.
Both have a rock feel to it, probably because of Zlatco's guitar playing.
For me, Tournado is the most solid TD release of the nineties, not one bad
track. This is not to say they were all good, because there was a couple
weak moments/ minutes of stagnation or where Zlatco simply got a little
carried away. Overall excellent though in my humble opinion. :-) BTW, you
need to also get Oasis too. It's in / along the vein of Canyon Creams, if
you liked it of course. Both solid overall. My other recommendation from the
nineties would be Mars Polaris. Frank Arellano
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 3:59 PM
Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Goblins' Club] / Top ten 1990's
> I have only 3 albums from the 90s - 220V, TOB and GC.
> I like 220V a lot. TOB is also good, but unfortunately after Birdwatcher's
Dream, the rest of the album sounds always the same.
>
> GC is at best interesting. There are few nice tracks, like Towards and
Rising Haul. One thing I hate in Towards is that drumming, how is it called,
drum fill, right? This drum fill is always the same. This is really
annoying. But the track is good.
>
> I think one major problem in GC is the underdevelopment of ideas. The
tracks have lots of different 1-minute bits glued together. This makes the
album fragmented. Most of the tracks are forgettable or 'ungood'. But even
with so many flaws, I think GC can be an enjoyable album. Which is a
paradox.
>
> I haven't played GC for a long time, so this is from memory. I can't even
remember most of the tracks - remember I've said they were forgettable? So
maybe there are some tiny pearls in GC that I haven't found yet, like
Towards the Evening Star.
>
> This message accidentally became a GC review, but what I wanted to say
were some of my favourite 90s tracks, of course, between GC, TOB and 220V.
Note that there isn't any ranking.
>
> 1. Towards the Evening Star (GC)
> 2. Catwalk (TOB)
> 3. Birdwatcher's Dream (TOB)
> 4. Stratosfear 1995, but that doesn't really count (TOB)
> 5. 220 Volt (220V)
> 6. Oriental Haze (220V)
> 7. Homeless (220V)
> 8. Hamlet (220V)
>
> The other tracks in 220V are also good (I like this album a lot), but the
ones I've mentioned seem to be better, as I remember.
>
> I'd also like to mention Darwin's Motel (GC) for being funny, and Rising
Haul in Silence which is also good but not as good as Towards.
> Well, that's it for now,
> see ya
>
> Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...)
>
>
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From:
Derk
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 10:28
am
Subject: Macula Transfer
I went to a record fair yesterday (for the Dutch members: it was the Mega
CD & Record Fair in Utrecht), and came home with a few nice items: Ages,
Pinnacles, Stuntman, The Zoo of Tranquility (1998) & Songs No Words. I also
saw Macula Transfer, in a 1998 Manikin Records edition but didn't pick it
up because it was quite expensive. Later on I heard that this was a very
limited edition. So, have I been tremendously stupid by not picking up that
CD?
There were a few TD boots, one of which I found very interesting, namely
Raetikon (Melbourne 1982). However, all five copies I found during the day
were flawed (I had brought a portable CD player which just kept skipping on
these discs). Is this a known problem with Raetikon?
Derk
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 11:24
am
Subject: Discussion Week 61 - Sunday 12th November 2000
This week is the penultimate week, and the topic is 'Antique Dreams'.
This is probably the only compilation we have covered during the
weekly discussions but it is because of the abundance of unreleased
material. It doesn't really fall under D:Live, D:Studio or
D:Soundtrack so let's go for a subject of 'D:Compilation [Antique
Dreams]' when posting.
Regards,
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From:
'Marcel Engels'
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 11:41
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Macula Transfer
> From: Derk [mailto:harlequin@d...]
>
> There were a few TD boots, one of which I found very interesting, namely
> Raetikon (Melbourne 1982). However, all five copies I found during the day
> were flawed (I had brought a portable CD player which just kept
> skipping on
> these discs). Is this a known problem with Raetikon?
No, my copy works good.
Could be there's a problem with your cd player?
Raetikon is a few years old and is quite a good bootleg.
The quality is very good and also the music on it.
Marcel
http://jump.to/fsp
mengels@w...
From:
'Phil White'
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 12:42
pm
Subject: Re: Ratikon Problems ?
I agree with the comments about Ratikon being a 'good' CD
but I have also become aware at UK record fairs of late that
many boot CD's are in fact CDR's and that certain players will
not play them correctly !! ( It all depends on the coating of some
CDR's...in particular some nasty cheapies ! )
I haven't actually seen any TD items like this but I have got a
couple of Dylan boots that fit this bill !!
To make matters worse I have even seen CDR copies selling
at the same price as the 'official' and usually high quality items
but burned onto very inferior media...so remember
CAVEAT EMPTOR at all times.
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 12:43
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Phaedream
wonderful Marcel,
just what i need. another group to start collecting. i have discovered that
my pocketbook will only stretch so far. too much music, too little money. i did
go to the Neuronium website and it is awesome. the music sounds like exactly
what i like. take care. see you at the swamp Marcel. i will have a beer for
you. :)
tom
>
>Don't know the story but I do know that the first
>5 or so albums by Neuronium are all classics imo.
>Quasar, Vuelo Quimico are really analog/cosmic etc
>albums with lots of nice string-synths and fxs.
>Hope it will be a regular release one day...not
>a very expensive CDR.
>
>Marcel
>http://jump.to/fsp
>mengels@w...
>
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From:
NEUMANN.H-J@t...
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 12:10
pm
Subject: RE: Melrose Promo CD ???
Hi,
thank you all , for the information about this store issue : Melrose.
Bye
Heiko
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 11:03
am
Subject: Phaedream
> i am a big Nico fan. anyone have the story of how such a glaring mistake made
it through
>the pressing plant? if the story is too much for this list please send it too
me personally
>or to the other list. thanks.
Tom, you're joking, aren't you ?
Phaedream is a bootleg. Never trust a bootleg cover, never trust
a bootleg producer ;-)
klaus
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 1:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Phaedream
hi klaus,
no not joking...perhaps a little overly curious. of course i know it is a
bootleg but even a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3 song TD cd would
be prudent to make sure that it held just TD content. i could see if it had 10
to 15 different cuts that this might happen. why would someone intentionally do
this. certainly it would be more valuable if it contained what is listed on the
cover right? i am just trying to understand why it would be more profitable to
include an uncredited Neuronium track on a TD cd, bootleg or not.
tom ......who is probably just thinking too much. :)
--
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:03:12 Klaus Beschorner wrote:
.
>
>Tom, you're joking, aren't you ?
>
>Phaedream is a bootleg. Never trust a bootleg cover, never trust
>a bootleg producer ;-)
>
>klaus
>
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From:
Richard Ford
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 2:33
pm
Subject: Anyone heard from Edom Yannick (CDR Project)
Hi all
I've sent a couple emails to Edom regarding the CDR project, but I've
heard nothing back. Have any of you had any communication with him
recently?
I really need to know when the cut off date is for him receiving the
tracks, etc.
All the best
--
Richard Ford
From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 8:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ratikon Problems ?
>From: 'Phil White'
>
>I agree with the comments about Ratikon being a 'good' CD
>but I have also become aware at UK record fairs of late that
>many boot CD's are in fact CDR's and that certain players will
>not play them correctly !! ( It all depends on the coating of some
>CDR's...in particular some nasty cheapies ! )
Fortunately, even if it's a marginal CDR, if you have your own burner, you
can often read the disc and burn it to a blue-bottom disc (the best of the
CDRs). I've done this often.
>To make matters worse I have even seen CDR copies selling
>at the same price as the 'official' and usually high quality items
>but burned onto very inferior media...so remember
>CAVEAT EMPTOR at all times.
I've seen that. 'Official' or pressed boots doesn't mean much to me. As long
as it's CD quality.
-Morgan
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From:
'Feldon Feldon'
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Phaedream
>From: 'tom george'
>
>
>hi klaus,
> no not joking...perhaps a little overly curious. of course i know it is
>a bootleg but even a bootleg producer who sets out to make a 3 song TD cd
>would be prudent to make sure that it held just TD content. i could see if
>it had 10 to 15 different cuts that this might happen. why would someone
>intentionally do this. certainly it would be more valuable if it contained
>what is listed on the cover right? i am just trying to understand why it
>would be more profitable to include an uncredited Neuronium track on a TD
>cd, bootleg or not.
Putting other artists on a bootleg is common in TD bootleg history. I know
of at least 3 other incidents.
-Morgan
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From:
'Frank Arellano'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 3:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Phaedream
Hey my friend! I got a copy of 'The Best Of Nueronium' on tape that I can
send to you. I'll get in the mail with a couple other goodies for you on
Thursday when I don't have to work. Hasta la vista, baby :-)
This little girl of mine just brightens up my whole world !!!
Frank Arellano
----- Original
Message -----
From: 'tom george'
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 5:43 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Phaedream
> wonderful Marcel,
> just what i need. another group to start collecting. i have discovered
that my pocketbook will only stretch so far. too much music, too little
money. i did go to the Neuronium website and it is awesome. the music sounds
like exactly what i like. take care. see you at the swamp Marcel. i will
have a beer for you. :)
> tom
>
>
>
> >
> >Don't know the story but I do know that the first
> >5 or so albums by Neuronium are all classics imo.
> >Quasar, Vuelo Quimico are really analog/cosmic etc
> >albums with lots of nice string-synths and fxs.
> >Hope it will be a regular release one day...not
> >a very expensive CDR.
> >
> >Marcel
> >http://jump.to/fsp
> >mengels@w...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 5:07
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Macula Transfer
Without meaning to be rude, I would say you were. It's my considered opinion
that 'Macula Transfer' is one of Edgar's best albums. The music, for me at
any rate, is highly imaginative and covers a considerable range of moods.
There are one or two technical problems with the master (they're on the LP
as well as the CD) but they are not serious.
John M.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Derk'
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 11:28 PM
Subject: [tadream] Macula Transfer
>
I also
> saw Macula Transfer, in a 1998 Manikin Records edition but didn't pick it
> up because it was quite expensive. Later on I heard that this was a very
> limited edition. So, have I been tremendously stupid by not picking up
that
> CD?
> Derk
>
>
>
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